I've got to be honest, the list of PWI accomplishments is rather unimpressive considering how long Kane has been around. He's won one award and that was for being part of a tag team that lasted a couple months. He's got a few runner up spots for other brief teams. The big feared psycho monster never even got most hated or feud of the year. I'm not neccisarily using PWI to vote against Kane but I think your attempt at showcasing him with these awards may backfire as it shows how mediocre Kane has been.
No it hasn't. How many people have come into the midcards over the years and are still remembered for SOMETHING? For fuck's sake if you wanna keep perspective, being voted the 2nd most hated wrestler even once for someone like Kane, who has been a mid-carder for life, is a feat. Among hundreds of wrestlers from around the world, who do all our precious flippy moves and northern light suplexes, Kane with his persona got over to be relevant and recognized. If there is a backfire Brain, it is your Big Show vs RVD contribution in the other tourney thread. Catch you there.
You mentioned that Piper has never gone against anyone the size of Kane. That may be true but who's to say he couldn't. Just because Piper's never faced someone Kane's size doesn't mean he couldn't beat someone Kane's size. Piper is known for being a tough street fighter. He never cared about rules when they were enforced and here there are no rules. Piper was as dirty as they came even when he was a face. That was pretty rare for his day. I think Piper can more than hold his own here and find a way to beat Kane.
Here's an analogy. Kane has gone up against people like Piper and beaten them. Piper has never gone against anyone like Kane one on one. Do you wanna go with experience? Kane knows what it takes to take down a smaller brawler like Piper. Whereas Piper knows nothing of the in-ring experience with the likes of Kane.
And, we have our official copy and paste from Wiki entry into the tourney. Maybe it's a wrestling database, I dunno. It's already been pointed out for how mediocre that looks for a fifteen year career, but let me point some more things out.
What do you want me to do then? You brought out the fucking PWI. Do you know them by heart? I'm sorry I had to wiki that shit. And no it isn't mediocre as I have explained above.
1. Don't you find it a little strange that most of the awards you're offering are tag team accolades? And, if I may point out, PWI's awards are purely based on kayfabe success. That's all well and good, but it never takes into account the most important aspect of wrestling that has yet to to go undeterred; how much money is drawn. Kane had kayfabe tag team success, but how much of that resulted in money
Oh Lord! Are we discussing gate revenue now? Hey KB, Sly! Shut down the tourney and just make it a fatal four way between Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock and Goldberg. Chile Cole Miner has spoken!
For that matter, has there been a time where Kane drew money? And in this match, are you really going to try and tell me that Kane drew more money than Piper? If you are, you'd be wrong. Piper was the heel during Hogan's era. If you're too stupid to realize the importance of that, imagine the Attitude Era, without having.......
Hey buddy, I'm gonna stop you right there. And let you know I <3 Piper. I have read about him, dug up matches, movies, documentaries about the guy. Love him and find him to be THE wittiest, funniest talker ever (after Bobby Heenan of course). But Kane will not lose to Piper in a hardcore environment. Man won a hardcore 3 way match at Mania with another monster and a grunge junkie. You bringing up Piper's drawing ability won't do him any justice here in ECW. For a dog collar match, Kane has a chain match. A much more realistic way to debate this no?
That was what Piper was to Rock N Wrestling era, except he was actually a competent worker. There's a reason that of all the men Hogan faced at Wrestlemania 1, Piper was the only one to get a spot in this tournament. He was the consistent draw that people paid to see Hogan get his hands on. And as Piper pointed out, Piper was the guy Hogan couldn't beat.
I'll say this for the last time
THIS IS ECW!. I have no problem awarding this to Piper in WCW or WWF after much discussion. However Kane in his monsteric best is un-friggin-beatable in a hardcore environment.
2. Do you really want to sit here and tell me that Kane and Hardy was actually a good feud. Kindly, fuck off with that nonsense. I've got that as one of my six out of fifteen, which at the very least, implies not everyone was wetting their pants to watch this feud. If you want to tell me Kane had an accomplished career, fine, but don't try to piss on my leg, and tell me it's raining. It was a storyline that featured implied rape, a stillborn child, and had a shitty finish, that never got a payoff.
It was fun till SummerSlam. It was getting Hardy maddeningly over. Do you remember his pops? In my book, Kane should've never won at SSlam. I knew where they were trying to go with it, but it was a damn near storyline suicide executing a marriage between those two.
And hey buddy, if that was as crap as you say, why was it awarded? Why?
If it was as idiotic as you say and still managed to beat all the other storylines from other promotions around the world to get that award, then either the monkeys at PWI are daft or you.
3. You have that Kane won a runner up award for being the best villain, that happened in 2003.
...... Ooooooooh.
Piper actually won that same award twice, Ghost. And, might I add, he won that in a year where WWE was making more money. 2003 was a horrendous year for WWE, both quality and business wise. Piper won his awards during a time WWE was becoming a burgeoning empire. I don't know about you, but I find what Piper did more impressive than Kane getting a runner up award, what, once?
Think about it, Piper was a headliner, no doubt. How much do we cry, bitch and moan about how delusional VKM must've been never putting the strap on him? For all his talent, Piper deserves to win that twice.
And then there is Kane, a poor 'run of the mill' monster Kane, who gives you "shit television" yet he is still given an award among hundreds of wrestlers, as the most hated.
Look, if you want to say you think Kane will win, fine. But don't sit here and try to tell me Kane's more accomplished than Piper was. Again, don't fucking piss on my leg, and call it rain.
For the record, i've also seen people argue that Piper can't beat Kane with a sleeper. I'm sorry, didn't Dolph fucking Ziggler beat Kane with a sleeper? I know for sure he's beaten Khali with it, and have a funny feeling I remember seeing him beat Kane with it.
And if Dolph Ziggler, a nobody in the business compared to Roddy Piper, can beat Kane with a sleeper, why shouldn't I believe Piper can't?
I'm not saying he is more accomplished, so here for all the readers including my boy Chile I will sum up in one fucking sentence why Kane will win:
Roddy Piper has NEVER faced a man of Kane's size whereas Kane has beaten brawlers like Piper through out his career AND Kane is much more accomplished in a hardcore environment (Winning the Chain Match vs Triple H, Frying Shane McMahon's balls, Tombstoning RVD on the steel steps, Winning the hardcore championship at Mania X8) and Rowdy, has very little experience in said environment.
Well that concludes my big fonted rant for the post. Bottom line, Piper going up against a monster in a hardcore environment spells
doom.
Oh and Dolph Ziggler is a nobody.
