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[Stone Cold Tea]

While Sutton is exaggerating, there is more than a hint of truth in what he says. It shows Klopp for the loose cannon he really is. Extreme highs but almost catastrophic lows and then walks away. He is a gamble.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Liverpool are actually looking at highly regarded managers for once and seem able to attract him, but given the real root of our woes, I would rather have Ancelotti to come in and sort out the defence once and for all.

As for the whole needing a British manager thing, I think Liverpool have earned the right to look abroad considering we have given Brits plenty of opportunity to manage the club.

Bearing in mind those catastrophic lows you speak of came when a hug bulk of the team was injured

 

[Alastor]

Some pundits seem to be ignoring that Klopp's Dortmund were losing their best player every season while still remaining competitive by integrating their replacement relatively easily. Sahin, Kagawa, Gotze, Lewandoski all left one after the other in consecutive seasons and replaced with Gundogan, Reus, Mkhitaryan and Immobile. The first major failure in replacing his best player coupled with injuries cause the team to pummelled down the standings.

It's easy to say they had a bigger budget but as seen by Rodgers at Liverpool, replacing your best players by spending big isn't the easiest task. Klopp survived retweaking his squad for 3 seasons. Rodgers failed after being given the chance twice.

 

[Барбоса]

So Klopp fell into the same trap as Rodgers? An expensively brought together squad that could not cope with injuries and losing its biggest player(s)?

Doesn't fill me an immense amount of confidence, especially given that he walked away when the going got tough.

Of course, I would more than accept him winning the Premier League twice before succumbing to those troubles. On top of that, some of the supposedly big players I have seen outside of Klopp's management have been brutally average so that suggests that he is a good man-manager.

 

[A11oftheLights]

So Klopp fell into the same trap as Rodgers? An expensively brought together squad that could not cope with injuries and losing its biggest player(s)?

Doesn't fill me an immense amount of confidence, especially given that he walked away when the going got tough.

Of course, I would more than accept him winning the Premier League twice before succumbing to those troubles. On top of that, some of the supposedly big players I have seen outside of Klopp's management have been brutally average so that suggests that he is a good man-manager.

Rodgers lost 1 player in suarez, just one player was enough for the wheels to fall off. Klopp proved he was able to keep his side consistently up the top. Only when he suffered injuries did it all go tits up and even then once he got his players back he got the team back on track.

Барбоса, stop trying to simplify the two scenarios to make a judgement of the tip of the iceberg

 

[Alastor]

Klopp didn't have a expensively brought together squad compared to Rodgers. He didn't spend 20million on players that couldn't even get off the bench.

Klopp didn't walk away when the going got tough. He stayed to ensure their survival. He walked away due to seeing he has taken the club as far as he could.

They only fell into the same trap in having to replace their best attacking player. Klopp did it 3 times. Rodgers failed to replace Suarez and Sterling.

I'm not Klopp's biggest fan as he could turn out to be another AVB who was capable but was crucified for not performing miracles. But Klopp has earned the benefit of the doubt with his accomplishments thus far much like when AVB first arrived in England.

 

[Blade]

Liverpool need to start over from the ground up, because the current team is too flawed to ever challenge. There's only a handful, maybe three, managers I would trust to rebuild Liverpool right now. Klopp is one of them. Rodgers is certainly not.

 

[Stone Cold Tea]

Would Ancelotti even want to go Liverpool?

 

[Барбоса]

To be fair to Rodgers, he lost more than one big player. Suarez left a year early, Sturridge might as well have done and Sterling's heart wasn't in it. But then he also allowed the spine of the team in Carragher and Gerrard to leave at the worst time and there appeared to be little attempt to replace any of them with a big name. Instead big money was spent on potential.

My only concern is that aside from charisma, the difference between Klopp and Rodgers might not be as big as people suggest.

 

[L@RISANO]

To be fair to Rodgers, he lost more than one big player. Suarez left a year early, Sturridge might as well have done and Sterling's heart wasn't in it. But then he also allowed the spine of the team in Carragher and Gerrard to leave at the worst time and there appeared to be little attempt to replace any of them with a big name. Instead big money was spent on potential.

My only concern is that aside from charisma, the difference between Klopp and Rodgers might not be as big as people suggest.

You're really shortchanging Klopp quite a bit, considering as pointed out, he lost his best players at Dortmund, yet still managed to keep them a German force, and even got them far in the UCL also.


What he did with BD suggests that he is much better than what Brendan Rodgers has shown thus far in his managerial career.

 

[Alastor]

To be fair to Rodgers, he lost more than one big player. Suarez left a year early, Sturridge might as well have done and Sterling's heart wasn't in it. But then he also allowed the spine of the team in Carragher and Gerrard to leave at the worst time and there appeared to be little attempt to replace any of them with a big name. Instead big money was spent on potential.

My only concern is that aside from charisma, the difference between Klopp and Rodgers might not be as big as people suggest.

To be fair to Rogers we will never know if his signings were pushed on him but the club's handling of a replacement for Suarez was horrible. Carragher was not first team quality by the time he was phased out. Gerrard was holding back Liverpool last season with his poor play.

If you look at Dortmund's big signings, most were identified by Liverpool too but they choose to go for UCL football. Even when Liverpool had UCL as a pull, they still choose Dortmund over Liverpool. Strange world ain't it?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

To be fair to Rogers we will never know if his signings were pushed on him but the club's handling of a replacement for Suarez was horrible. Carragher was not first team quality by the time he was phased out. Gerrard was holding back Liverpool last season with his poor play.

If you look at Dortmund's big signings, most were identified by Liverpool too but they choose to go for UCL football. Even when Liverpool had UCL as a pull, they still choose Dortmund over Liverpool. Strange world ain't it?

Because Dortmud has a better chance in being in the top of the Bundesliga than Liverpool has in the premier league.

 

[Барбоса]

That Klopp plays a similar high octane style to that which Rodgers managed when Liverpool should have won the league suggests that he could be a good fit. But then Liverpool has proven unable to maintain that style; whether that was Rodgers' fault or the players bought for him is the question.

As for Klopp's ability to keep Dortmund competitive after losing big players, while that is impressive and Germany does have a competitive league, is it as tough a task in the Bundesliga as it is in the Premiership? In the former you have Bayern Munich and now Wolfsburg's money to contend with; in the latter, you have Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Utd.

Again, I am not writing Klopp off but I remain sceptical that he is SO much better than we have just discarded other than in being entertaining and quoteworthy. If he is as great as depicted, why is he sitting on his hands? Why did Man Utd or Real Madrid not pick him up?

People are talking like his appointment is guaranteed success, the second coming of Shankly. I just do not see the evidence for that.

But if he can do for Liverpool what he did for Dortmund in Germany and restore them to their rightful position in England - 2nd for the former and 5th for the latter, with the occasional jump above that, then I will be happy.

 

[Tastycles]

I'm not completely convinced by his appointment but it couldn't be set up any better for Klopp. Liverpool have a squad suited to him, and Sturridge is finally fit again to add to that. There's money in the bank and the stadium will be done within the next couple of years. Chelsea are having a melt down, so in order to get into the top 4, they need to be leapfrogging the likes of Crystal Palace and Leicester rather than anyone who is actually good. Arsenal and United are only a few points up and both have been played away already. Klopp has the potential to really get the ball rolling and have a very good season.

The last time Liverpool brought in a foreign manager who had overachieved with a sleeping giant, he won the European Cup in his first season. It's testament to how much we've fallen since then that now all a similar manager needs to do to be similarly adored is qualify for that competition.

 

[Blade]

That Klopp plays a similar high octane style to that which Rodgers managed when Liverpool should have won the league suggests that he could be a good fit. But then Liverpool has proven unable to maintain that style; whether that was Rodgers' fault or the players bought for him is the question.

As for Klopp's ability to keep Dortmund competitive after losing big players, while that is impressive and Germany does have a competitive league, is it as tough a task in the Bundesliga as it is in the Premiership? In the former you have Bayern Munich and now Wolfsburg's money to contend with; in the latter, you have Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Utd.

Again, I am not writing Klopp off but I remain sceptical that he is SO much better than we have just discarded other than in being entertaining and quoteworthy. If he is as great as depicted, why is he sitting on his hands? Why did Man Utd or Real Madrid not pick him up?

People are talking like his appointment is guaranteed success, the second coming of Shankly. I just do not see the evidence for that.

But if he can do for Liverpool what he did for Dortmund in Germany and restore them to their rightful position in England - 2nd for the former and 5th for the latter, with the occasional jump above that, then I will be happy.

Maybe the Premier League is harder than the Bundesliga, but the Champions League is the same for every country. And he had more success there than any Liverpool manager in years. As an Arsenal fan, I will be genuinely worried when we play a Liverpool team managed by Klopp.

 

[Alastor]

Because Dortmud has a better chance in being in the top of the Bundesliga than Liverpool has in the premier league.

They both finished 2nd or thereabout when competing for players one season so I doubt that is the issue. Plus Liverpool have more cash to splash on the players due to the BPL's financial strength.

 

[Alastor]

That Klopp plays a similar high octane style to that which Rodgers managed when Liverpool should have won the league suggests that he could be a good fit. But then Liverpool has proven unable to maintain that style; whether that was Rodgers' fault or the players bought for him is the question.

As for Klopp's ability to keep Dortmund competitive after losing big players, while that is impressive and Germany does have a competitive league, is it as tough a task in the Bundesliga as it is in the Premiership? In the former you have Bayern Munich and now Wolfsburg's money to contend with; in the latter, you have Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Utd.

Again, I am not writing Klopp off but I remain sceptical that he is SO much better than we have just discarded other than in being entertaining and quoteworthy. If he is as great as depicted, why is he sitting on his hands? Why did Man Utd or Real Madrid not pick him up?

People are talking like his appointment is guaranteed success, the second coming of Shankly. I just do not see the evidence for that.

But if he can do for Liverpool what he did for Dortmund in Germany and restore them to their rightful position in England - 2nd for the former and 5th for the latter, with the occasional jump above that, then I will be happy.

Dortmund won the league twice by spending way less than their rivals. They made the champions' league final with a wage bill that was dwarfed by EPL relegation threatened teams.

Rodgers reign coincided with United's struggles in almost 2 decades and he couldn't finish in the top 4 more than once.

Klopp might not be so much better, but Rodgers has clearly struggled for months now. FFS Klopp isn't sitting on his hands. He decided to take a sabbatical after last season. When he made that decision public, he was strongly rumour to take over at Bayern at the end of this season when Guadiola's contract end. Also, Real fans wanted Klopp to take over but Perez preferred a Spaniard.

No appointment is a guaranteed success. You seem to be knocking Klopp just for not being able to guarantee that. Liverpool as fifth in the order of Epl of Liverpool is their rightful place? Are you sure you are a real fan? :lol

 

[Барбоса]

You seem to be knocking Klopp just for not being able to guarantee that. Liverpool as fifth in the order of Epl of Liverpool is their rightful place? Are you sure you are a real fan? :lol

I am a realistic fan. Liverpool might have more supporters than say Chelsea, City or Arsenal but that no longer translates to success. It hasn't since the early 90s. TV money and now an uber-rich owner dictate where you belong in the pecking order and right now there are four bigger clubs in England than Liverpool. Klopp's main aim should be to secure that position and then build.

I am 'knocking' Klopp because he is not some all-conquering hero from Germany. I am saying that expectations should be greatly tempered.

As Tasty said though, Klopp's first season could end up a success just by winning the "everybody else league" due to Chelsea's mini-meltdown, although I would not bet money on that lasting until season's end.

 

[Tastycles]

We go again. The under 18Bs second fixture. This time we are playing next to that massive 7 star hotel.

 

[Tastycles]

7 Star Hotel, 6 goals conceded and 4 of my lads got in fights.

 

[Lee]

So I now have the Liverpool job.

 

[Барбоса]

So I now have the Liverpool job.

Spoiler

Also, it is nice to see some other Home Nation entertainment at Euro 2016 to distract us from England's trials and tribulations.

 

[Lee]

Well as a player he did score the winner to make Newcastle win the cup.

 

[Uncle Sam]

7 Star Hotel, 6 goals conceded and 4 of my lads got in fights.

I don't know what a 7 star hotel entails but I'm sure it's something to do with prostitutes.

 

[Барбоса]

"Blackjack and hookers."

 

[L@RISANO]

Really looking forward to seeing what Klopp does as Lpool manager from here on with the current squad.