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Domestic football - spam version
- Thread starter Lee
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The protests seem to have no logic to me. Protest against the guy that helped put the financials in order. Highest finish in the league since the free-spending days. The protest is so that less people watch the team, less revenue, less investment in the club.
Go start a FC united or something like Man U fans.
Go start a FC united or something like Man U fans.
Lee
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I get the feeling you've not been watching Newcastle play football. I use play in the loosest sense. We're awful, last year we lost 6 in a row which has never happened in the PL and today we equalled that. It's the worst ambition I've seen at the club and the players are going through the motion.
The club is getting money but not investing it, that's obvious by the fact that our centre-back pairing is the same as it was when we were in the championship.
The club is getting money but not investing it, that's obvious by the fact that our centre-back pairing is the same as it was when we were in the championship.
Of course I've not been watching Newcastle, they aren't very good. 
The way I see it is Ashley wanted out but couldn't find a buyer half a decade ago. Stayed and made the most of it. Learnt from his earlier mistakes after relegation and began to follow a more sensible model of running a club while keeping the club attractive to buyers at fair value. Seems like Ashley's biggest crime seem to not wanting to end up like Randy Lerner at Villa who wasted 100 million over the years that he isn't seeing again chasing the dream by overpaying for talent.
And fans could end up getting the club relegated again out of spite by not backing the team when they need their support to win games. Further reducing the chance of Ashley finding buyers for a relegated team. There is already another relegation-threatened club for sale in Villa and this isn't helping you get rid of Ashley.
The way I see it is Ashley wanted out but couldn't find a buyer half a decade ago. Stayed and made the most of it. Learnt from his earlier mistakes after relegation and began to follow a more sensible model of running a club while keeping the club attractive to buyers at fair value. Seems like Ashley's biggest crime seem to not wanting to end up like Randy Lerner at Villa who wasted 100 million over the years that he isn't seeing again chasing the dream by overpaying for talent.
And fans could end up getting the club relegated again out of spite by not backing the team when they need their support to win games. Further reducing the chance of Ashley finding buyers for a relegated team. There is already another relegation-threatened club for sale in Villa and this isn't helping you get rid of Ashley.
FunKay the Inevitable
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Question: if, by some minor miracle Jurgen Klopp ends up at Newcastle (similar fan base with huge passion and a project with room to grow and expand like Dortmund), and demonstrates a want and desire to rise beyond the relegation survival desperation but says that it'll take time (because it did at Dortmund too), you in?
Also, not to be a dick but good to see Celtic failing to win everything simply so we don't have yet a further example of monopolization of the Scottish game.
Bayern Munich SMASH 6 goals past Porto in a Germany WC Semis-like performance.
Barcelona stroll past PSG without breaking a sweat with a 2-0 victory and and 5-1 Aggregate.
Could be a tough UCL semis line-up with Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid/Real Madrid and most likely Juventus.
Barcelona stroll past PSG without breaking a sweat with a 2-0 victory and and 5-1 Aggregate.
Could be a tough UCL semis line-up with Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid/Real Madrid and most likely Juventus.
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If anything, the Barca stroll against PSG just highlights how much of a mess Chelsea made in going out. Oh, and how dire David Luiz's decision making continues to be.
As for Bayern, they put a decidedly average team to the sword and yet Porto were still not out of it at 5-1.
As for Bayern, they put a decidedly average team to the sword and yet Porto were still not out of it at 5-1.
Барбоса;5189153 said:
David Luiz as a CB is a no-no.. I'm surprised he still plays there and is seemingly first choice back up. 4 of the 5 goals conceded vs Barca were in some form down to his poor decision making. lulz, no wonder Mou shipped him off.
As for Bayern, bear in mind they are missing Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger and Alaba are all injured, yet they overturned the deficit within 30mins. First Leg was an obvious fluke by Porto, it happens sometimes, tonight they wer brought back to reality. lMO, it was a result I wasn't surprised at, even after the first leg.
Onto the Semis, and it ain't gonna get any easier for us. Visca El Barca!
Lee
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Course I'd be in. We've won fuck all since 69, I can wait. Plus people may stop me in the street!
Captain Morgan Freeman
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Klopp is one of, if not the only high profile manager i could see taking a club lower down the table despite offers from some of the top teams in europe.
Indeed.
Think maybe, Everton might have a shot? I'd love that, as I've always had soft spot for them during the Moyes days.
FunKay the Inevitable
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5 Live last night noted that those four teams have the most European semi-finals (assuming that means all UEFA competitions) of any four in the continent. That's very intriguing.
People are already creaming themselves for the Bayern/Barca final: I hope they draw each other in the semi's.
Any combination in the semis would be brilliant, but personally, the story of the return of the Great Pep Guardiola against Barca in the Camp Nou is great story, no?
Sadly, I'd also love to not see Real Fartdrid in the UCL finals and if Bayern-Barca are drawn in the semis, I just cant quite see Fartrid going out to Juve... *SIGH*
Sadly, I'd also love to not see Real Fartdrid in the UCL finals and if Bayern-Barca are drawn in the semis, I just cant quite see Fartrid going out to Juve... *SIGH*
FunKay the Inevitable
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Ugh, "The Great Guardiola".
You mean the guy who waltzed into what were essentially two of the easiest jobs in football and bored a good deal of us to tears with his death by 1,000 cuts style?
The guy has a plan a (good plan a mind you) and that's it. Last year he goes on and on about how he has 'plan's b-z' for Real Madrid: they get demolished after playing exactly the same style of football for the two legs. Genius.
Seeing as to how much success he has enjoyed in his short managerial career, thus far... I truly wonder how long haters will be in denial as to how good Guardiola has been.
I've grown beyond 'debating' with such people anyways as its a lost cause if people truly believe the biggest footballing jobs with the highest expectations are 'the easiest'... that is "Ugh-worthy", to say the least.
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The suggestion of Guardiola's jobs being 'easy' are nothing to do with him going to big teams but that the teams he took over already had everything in place for success.
He has yet to have to build anything.
He has yet to have to build anything.
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Барбоса;5190617 said:
Exactly - let's see him go to Celta-Vigo or Mallorca or someone like that in Spain or even do what Jose did and take a team from a smaller domestic league to the highest peak in Europe.
Guardiola's style of play is dull, his track record is bolstered not by the size of his team's but by the best laid plans of others (seriously all he's done to Bayern is make them one dimensional and dull as fuck to watch - dominant but boring) and he will probably end up with more trophies than most (including Champions League's galore) but you know what? He'll never be considered the greatest coach ever simply because he waltzed into top jobs that were incredibly difficult to fuck up and, get this, didn't fuck up. Amazing really.
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Indeed.
Think maybe, Everton might have a shot? I'd love that, as I've always had soft spot for them during the Moyes days.
Well i don't think Everton will sack Martinez, the board were very patient with Moyes during his bad seasons. I can't see them not showing the same patience with Martinez after a good season last season.
If he were to go there he could do well, very strong attacking full backs, strong talented striker and two good centre backs. If he had some money to spend he could have them challenging for the top 4 but im not sure if they have the funds to do that. There's also a few players on the wrong side of 30 in that team.
Distin, Osman, Barry, Jagielka, Howard, Pienaar and Alcaraz only have a few years left. That team is going to need a lot of money just to stand still let alone move forward.
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I think your underestimating the job he had when he took over at Barca. He had to replace older players like Edmilson, Thuram and Zambrotta and also get rid of bad apples Deco and Ronaldiniho.
He then had to throw Pique in at CB, got rid of Bojan from CF and got the best out of Messi.
Did he have a lot of talent at his disposal? Sure. But he was able to recognise how to use that talent and also got the very best out of the squad that season by winning the treble when a large amount of changes had to be made to the first team.
I think Pep is a bit over rated and that he's fucked things up at Bayern but at one point his Barca team looked almost unbeatable. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
And Funkay no one's going to do well at Vigo or Mallorca that's just ridiculous. Aside from Real, Barca, Atletico, Valencia and Sevilla no other club has the resources to go for the top 4 and any that do (Bilbao and Sociedad) get their best players taken from them fairly quickly and they're back to square one.
He then had to throw Pique in at CB, got rid of Bojan from CF and got the best out of Messi.
Did he have a lot of talent at his disposal? Sure. But he was able to recognise how to use that talent and also got the very best out of the squad that season by winning the treble when a large amount of changes had to be made to the first team.
I think Pep is a bit over rated and that he's fucked things up at Bayern but at one point his Barca team looked almost unbeatable. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
And Funkay no one's going to do well at Vigo or Mallorca that's just ridiculous. Aside from Real, Barca, Atletico, Valencia and Sevilla no other club has the resources to go for the top 4 and any that do (Bilbao and Sociedad) get their best players taken from them fairly quickly and they're back to square one.
Not his fault that most teams play 10 men behind the ball against his teams. If it is so easy to waltz into the easiest jobs in football, then why didn't it happen to another guy? His track record speaks for itself. He is getting slammed for not winning the title every season. Ugh.
Pelligrini did what you said but he is still seen as a joke because he didn't win at Real against Guardiola or City this season by some. Are you saying you regard Claude Puel, Deschamps as better managers than Guardiola because of this logic that they took a smaller team to their highest peak? Basically the luck of the draw determine your perception of the manger's abilities? Di Matteo won a champion's league by parking the bus. Is he better than Guardiola because his team wasn't favoured to win? The leap from good to great isn't always smaller than from mediocre to good.
As mentioned, you seriously underestimate the job he had to do at the start of his Barca reign. He had to phase out veterans who were past their prime and put faith in youth. Messi was a sure hit, but Pique, Predo, Busquets were gambles at the time. He let E'to, who was still one of the world's best strikers at the time, to be expandable to allow Messi to shine in a central role. Those weren't easy decisions.
Look at how Moyes fucked up at United and Van Gaal spending like Citeh to see how it isn't always easy even with money to spend or 'waltzed' into a top position. Even Mourinho parked the bus with 100s of millions worth of talent to win titles. Does that make him any better or worse than Guardiola?
I guess Martinez will get at least another season, though for some reason, I am doubting his ability to get the best out of the likes of Barkley and Lukaku. Really feel the former would be better served moving under a coach like Wenger or even LVG at ManU for instance... as it might help him iron out some of the kinks in his game. Wonderful talent, lMO.
Still, I would love to see Klopp there for a project. Some funds given and Everton could start moving up. Nevertheless, do you see him going to a lesser team or is he going to take one of the big teams as expected?
The Great Pep Guardiola will return to the Camp Nou to face Barcelona in the UCL Semis. Really looking forward to seeing how it will play out. For Barca fans like myself, it will have some emotion for sure.
Barca is being called the favourites, but I feel it will be very close, though I do think given their styles, one team imploding wouldn't be at all unexpected.
Wonder if Juventus can challenge Madrid in the Semis. At this point, I just can't see it happening.
Barca is being called the favourites, but I feel it will be very close, though I do think given their styles, one team imploding wouldn't be at all unexpected.
Wonder if Juventus can challenge Madrid in the Semis. At this point, I just can't see it happening.
