Dixie worried she is not able to compete with Vince.....

[jrharris02]

WWE should also consider giving their stars more moves. Watching WWE back in the late 80s early 90s, every star had a variety of different moves reagardlees of size instead of doin the samething over and over. This displayed a star's talent to the workd. Now, their pretty much predictable. Thats why everybody gets tired of seeing John Cena wrestle. I know I am. He does the same over and over, gets pummled then "powers up" and 2 shoulder charges, spinning suplex, 5knucle shuffle. Fans get tired of seeing that. Majority of the wreslters in WWE have the same game plan and it hinders them from showing off their real talent and knowledge of wrestling moves. TNA wows me everytime. Canadian Destroyer, never seen something like that in all my years watching WWE. And it seems like WWE take big moves like that and give them to the divas or smaller wrestlers like the moves are weak. WTF? Those moves are high impact moves and TNA sell them the best.

 

[darkserenade]

To me one of the main problems is SpikeTV. Who watching it? I never have up untill TNA was put on there, and that's the only thing I do watch. And how many Adds do they put while TNA is on? Seems like every 5-10 minutes there is a stupid break in the show and we go to adds.

TNA has went downhill since Jan. I still watch it and I am giving them a chance.. Jan's PPV sucked badly!! Feb's was a little better.. Now this month I hope it will be better then the last two.

As for going live on Monday's well that's all fine and good. But will the ratings be good? No never! WCW kicked ass because they were on a big network. TNA will never get big on spike because spike sucks!

It's a net work for men.. Now think of this, if they went to a network for ladies and men that would make their ratings even better. Because face it ladies DO WATCH WRESTLING!! But they don't on spike because spike is aimed for men.

Spike is a low rate channel and sucks ass!. They need some hardcore re-tooling.

Hogan thinks he can do what they did in WCW back in the day. Well times have changed. With the internet wrestling world the way it is, you can't have the shock factor like we once had before.. People use to tune in just to see who was leaving WWE for WCW.. Now on one cares because they read about it before it happens. case in point RVD!

Change the PPV style. Take all the good PPV matches they have cages, Ult X matches put those all on tv Maybe that could get more viewers.. Then come up with all new crazy ideas for PPV's.

Sadly they can't leave the Impactzone till they get more viewers and fans. But that won't happen if they don't take their shows on the road more.

Hogan has to understand, people like highflying action now and hardcore matches. They don't really care for boring matches that are 5 minutes long. We want to see 25 minute highflying action matches.. And they can't do that with the ring so close to the rails, and the stupid ramp. Hogan can't walk down the old ramp, then he can do his promo's from the stage. We dont need to see him in the ring.

What is the point of us all even saying things on here anyway? Just because we bitch on here doesn't make anything change. We can say they need to change this and that and this, but really it's a waste of time because they don't even care what us fan's think, it's all about whatever they want to do.

Fans wanted 6 sided ring, they changed it, fans liked the old ramp they changed it, fans liked the highflying action, they changed it, fans love the young guys, they give them less time for the older dudes.

To me it almost seems like they are trying to kill TNA. Because they don't listen to us thats for sure..

I mean look at that one Hogan fan that is at the show every week in the front row holding up the hogan and bubba signs. You think he is just a fan? no he is paid to do that. Or at least offered free seats or whatever.

Oh well i'll shut up now hahahaha

 

[silrock316]

Ok I have been hearing about TNA's doomsday for about 7 years now. You WWE marks have to grow up and realize that two shows=more wrestling for US. A friend of mine and myself are lifelong WWF/WCW/WWE fans and I can honestly say TNA to me, won the war last week. I don't care what the ratings say, I was glued to the TV. Everytime I was ready to switch over to Raw, something else happened. I was forced to go into another room and slap the DVR on Raw. To me its TNA 1 WWE 0 .. IF the wars started last week. TNA 2 WWE 0 if Jan. 4th.
So I think if Dixie just keeps plugging away and stops throwing money at every free agent from this point forward, they will eventually do ok with ratings.

So step outside of your WWE mark boxes and actually realize that mondays are much better with TNA than without. So why not help build the damn ratings instead of throwing away another chance at watching more wrestling.

 

[fredstephenson]

i dont think tna should be expecting massive wwe toppling ratings so soon anyway the wwe may have a lot wrong with it right now but it still has that huge show atmosphere i think at the moment tna isnt perfect but there going out of there way to do a show that actually entertains us which is more then the wwe has being doing for the past year or so with its cheesy guest host bits repetetive matches and fueds and just general lack of imagination

i actually think tna does the better show it actually feels like a wrestling show should rather then a cheesy variety show like raw does at the moment the difference is though wwe shows have that huge epic show feel about them while tna looks like its being filmed in a grimy dark sports hall or something which is a shame because in my opinion the epic huge show atmosphere is the only thing its missing and if it wants to compete with wwe it is essential to make there shows a real spectacle so if i owned tna the next thing i would do is move impact to bigger stadiums with more lights better entrance themes big screens and cooler pyro it would be a bit of a gamble as they would probally wouldnt sell them out straight away but it would definatly help sell that tna is a real alternative to the wwe

so i dont think dixie should be worried tna are only just establishing themselves as a main player and as long as they keeps on gradually evolving to the next level putting on good shows they will do very well oh and it would definatly help if tna does every thing to provoke vince and the wwe as vince obviously can not resist a challenge and vince acknowledging tnas existence on wwe tv would bring in more publicity then all the advertising tna could do ever would

as for the low rating i think tna have just picked a bad time of the year to decide to go head to head with raw on a monday as it seems they may have forgot its nearly wrestlemania and wwe i would imagine would draw in most of the ratings at this time of year even if tna was already an established competitor

 

[CaptainZaltan]

To me, the problem with TNA right now has little to do with what network they are on, time slot, or even what talent they have signed. Those are part of the equation of course, but I think there's a larger problem here.

TNA needs to have it's thumb on the pulse of wrestling fans across the U.S and internationally. It doesn't. It CANT, because the only audience the product is ever exposed to is in the Impact Zone. I'm not trying to slam those fans - obviously they have been a big part of TNA getting to this point - but you cannot base the direction of your company on the reactions of such a small sample group. Look at how the WWE works. Nearly every gimmick, storyline, and plot is given a trial run in dark matches and house shows across the nation. It's fine tuned and perfected before it's ever shown on air. Similarly, TNA needs to start taking the show on the road to get feedback from a wider variety of fans. More importantly, they need to start listening to those fans. Rather than playing favorites with talent and trying to get the audience to accept those that they WANT to push (or who we internet fans want them to push), they need to find out what works and what doesn't on a larger scale, and apply what they learn to the televised content. What TNA is doing right now is playing a half-assed guessing game. They are giving us a pinch of old and a touch of new. They are changing characters gimmicks and allegiances on a weekly basis. This is not an effective method, and it needs to change.

Some might say that TNA cannot afford to take the show on the road right now. I say that they can't afford NOT to. This is one of those situations where you have to spend money to make money. Touring would give TNA a chance to build an audience town by town, city by city. Nothing hooks a crowd like a live performance. And nothing is going to give them a better idea of where to take the company than direct feedback from the target audience. If the expense of doing this means cutting back on talent or in some other areas, that's unfortunate. But necessary.

 

[Grizzly0u812]

Okay figured I would put my thoughts to this, right now people are saying TNA and Dixie can not compete with WWE, thing is they are working on making their product better while WWE is boring the hell out of us with the celebraties week after week

what will vince do once Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michelle retire, 3 key players, Edge who keeps getting hurt, Batista keeps getting injured, Christain and Jerico are there, Ray keeps getting hurt, Matt Hardy getting older and had some injuries.

A lot of WWE talents are getting older, having more injuries and might be retiring soon or taking time off which will hurt them.

Right now WWE might be stronger then TNA but in time, Vince will be worried because how many more quad tears can Triple H take before hanging them up, how much more can Undertaker back and body take, Shawn seem to be taking more and more time off, batista, edge and others wrestlers keep getting hurt and taking longer to come back.

people keep calling TNA an old age home, WWE has a lot of wrestlers getting up there also and soon to be hanging them up.

If TNA can keep going in the years to come what will WWE state be, look at all the wrestlers who come in and get a push, they start off strong and then just fade out.

To me, WWE should be more worried then TNA, all the talent who is keeping WWE going right now once they are gone I can see WWE loosing a lot of steam unless they can create more talent who have more shelf life then a few months or so.

 

[Slyfox696]

Except no one is watching now either.

It's been, what, 2 and a half months? It took Bischoff and Hogan nearly 2 years to get WCW humming.

You can't expect a miracle in 2 and a half months. These things just take time.

People didn't watch the younger wrestlers, and they're not watching the geriatric ones either.

The geriatric ones won't be around for the long haul...they're there simply to put over the younger guys, as I mentioned before.

TNA should be building itself as a strong number 2 wrestling organization, rather than attempting in vain to become the number one group. Building a strong core audience as alternative viewing to the WWE. Ted Turner, Shane McMahon, Paul Heyman, none of these guys will help make TNA number one. Even Dixie herself is starting to realize her false bravado is exactly that.

I have no idea where the OP got the information that Dixie is afraid they can't catch VKM. No idea. But saying they can't is different from saying they won't, and saying they can't, doesn't make it true.

TNA's goal, first and foremost, should be on making people be aware of their product. And you can see they have been working on that for years, and it's working. More and more people over the last 5 years have started to watch TNA. When TNA first debuted on Fox Sports, they were pulling in .3 ratings. Then when first on Spike, they were getting .6 ratings. Now wrestling fans are mocking them because they are "only" getting 1.0 ratings going head to head against Raw.

Wrestling fans are imbeciles, for the most part, who have no concept of big picture. I hope Dixie is less of a fan, and more of a businesswoman. Because if not, then TNA will never reach the success it should.

Let's face it, despite WCW's 82 week challenge to the WWE, they ultimately failed. And TNA will fail too, if they attempt a Monday Night War version 2.0.

Only if they do things the wrong way. Because, despite WWE's eventual victory, they did so only because WCW failed. WWE didn't win the Monday Night Wars...WCW lost them.

But Bischoff and Hogan are back, they have money to spend, they have a wrestling fanbase DESPERATE for competition...I wouldn't be so quick to write them off just yet.


Of course, it's been 2 and a half months, so...

 

[Genius_Deadman]

Okay figured I would put my thoughts to this, right now people are saying TNA and Dixie can not compete with WWE, thing is they are working on making their product better while WWE is boring the hell out of us with the celebraties week after week

what will vince do once Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michelle retire, 3 key players, Edge who keeps getting hurt, Batista keeps getting injured, Christain and Jerico are there, Ray keeps getting hurt, Matt Hardy getting older and had some injuries.

A lot of WWE talents are getting older, having more injuries and might be retiring soon or taking time off which will hurt them.

Right now WWE might be stronger then TNA but in time, Vince will be worried because how many more quad tears can Triple H take before hanging them up, how much more can Undertaker back and body take, Shawn seem to be taking more and more time off, batista, edge and others wrestlers keep getting hurt and taking longer to come back.

people keep calling TNA an old age home, WWE has a lot of wrestlers getting up there also and soon to be hanging them up.

If TNA can keep going in the years to come what will WWE state be, look at all the wrestlers who come in and get a push, they start off strong and then just fade out.

To me, WWE should be more worried then TNA, all the talent who is keeping WWE going right now once they are gone I can see WWE loosing a lot of steam unless they can create more talent who have more shelf life then a few months or so.

that's true, but this isn't about WWE's product, it's about TNA's. Vince does not have to change his product as long as he's the lone top dog. this is like 1995-1996 with Vince, it doesn't matter if he puts out a trash product if everyone's watching. complain all you want, he's still getting ratings. if you stop watching, then he's gonna change his product, whether you quit watching wrestling or you tune into TNA

 

[Insanekiller]

I have actually enjoyed some of tna product, i will only say some because there is room for improve because honestly what would you rather see open and close the 2nd life show of Tna. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair in a tag team match or maybe an ultimate x match at the start and A J Styles v Kurt Angle or Desmond Wolfe i know which option i prefer.

Yes Hogan and flair were key people in making wrestling what it is today but let the young guns have a go in taking it forward because they are good enough to take wrestling to the next stage. So dixie should not be worried at the moment this is only the second week that they are competing with the WWE at this level.

But if she wants to elavate it to the next level stop taping the show you are not going to get the ratings if people are watching a pre recorded program that you can record and watch another time. This is what Vince learned you have to keep them guessing instead of letting the spoilers and reports spoil your show this is properly the quickest way to spoil the ratings. Because you can read TNA results and think to your self is it worth watching this or should i tune in to raw and see what Bret is up to or if Austin can stun the crap out of both of them.

Dunno if anyone agrees with this and wants to add to it or change a point please go for it as i am sort of new to the posting on here

 

[hatehabsforever]

It's been, what, 2 and a half months? It took Bischoff and Hogan nearly 2 years to get WCW humming.

You can't expect a miracle in 2 and a half months. These things just take time.

The geriatric ones won't be around for the long haul...they're there simply to put over the younger guys, as I mentioned before.

I have no idea where the OP got the information that Dixie is afraid they can't catch VKM. No idea. But saying they can't is different from saying they won't, and saying they can't, doesn't make it true.

TNA's goal, first and foremost, should be on making people be aware of their product. And you can see they have been working on that for years, and it's working. More and more people over the last 5 years have started to watch TNA. When TNA first debuted on Fox Sports, they were pulling in .3 ratings. Then when first on Spike, they were getting .6 ratings. Now wrestling fans are mocking them because they are "only" getting 1.0 ratings going head to head against Raw.

Wrestling fans are imbeciles, for the most part, who have no concept of big picture. I hope Dixie is less of a fan, and more of a businesswoman. Because if not, then TNA will never reach the success it should.


Only if they do things the wrong way. Because, despite WWE's eventual victory, they did so only because WCW failed. WWE didn't win the Monday Night Wars...WCW lost them.

But Bischoff and Hogan are back, they have money to spend, they have a wrestling fanbase DESPERATE for competition...I wouldn't be so quick to write them off just yet.


Of course, it's been 2 and a half months, so...

Point well taken, it has only been 2.5 months and perhaps we are all a little impatient, myself included, waiting for the improved TNA to come along, which by default would make a better WWE product as well.

I guess it just has annoyed me all along with the false bravado and hype that Carter, Hogan and others have been getting on with. We're taking the battle to Monday nights, we'll own Monday nights, etc., while it's been crystal clear that they didn't, and couldn't, have the muscle to back it up.

The geriatric ones won't be around too long, that's a given. But from my perspective, I see an awful lot of hope and expectations pinned on guys like Hogan, Flair, Sting, Foley, Bischoff, guys who won't have the longevity at this stage of their career, and if TNA doesn't make a splash relatively quickly, these guys will be gone, and then who do you use to lure the WWE fans away? Jeff Hardy? RVD? These guys have made it abundantly clear they don't even want to work a full-time schedule now. How are they supposed to lead a Monday Night War, if they aren't fully committed to the cause beyond a limited reduced schedule?

It just seems like a bit of an oxymoron to balance the patience of waiting for TNA to mount a challenge, when the focus of their organization for the last 2.5 months doesn't have the luxury of time or patience.

Plus I cannot comment on the truthfulness of the IWC's version of Dixie's Carter's comments. Maybe they're true, maybe they're an IWC-generated rumour, God knows there's enough of that. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if she legitimately believed that Hogan et. al would have a more impactful first few months, and if she was honestly worried about their track record thus far. 0.96 is pretty pathetic after the hype and hooplah of 03/08, and let's face it, in all likelihood, tonight will be far worse. If I was Dixie Carter, I'd be worried, all bravado aside.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Where are these "reports"?? Sounds like some made up B.S. by some fake reporters. Why would Dixie admit to anyone that she feels she can't compete with Vince McMahon especially now after she's signed Hogan, Flair and got Spike TV to give TNA the Monday night time slot? This doesn't make any sense.

But something does need to be done with TNA. It's just ridiculous that with all the big names they have they can't even reach a 2.0 right now. They're struggling to get a 1.0. They need to build the company around Jeff Hardy, A.J. Styles, Kurt Angle, The Pope, Daniels and Mr. Anderson and use Hogan and Flair the right way in big important matches.

 

[wushady]

I think they should focus more on building up their own product before worrying about competing with WWE. It doesn't make sense to me why they moved to Mondays now. They have some great talent, but their nowhere near WWE's level. They were lucky to get a 1.5 rating on Thursdays, why would they think they could do well going against Raw.

I liked TNA better before Hogan and Bischoff took over. When it was about the wrestling now all they seem to care about is taking out the WWE. TNA was original and exciting now they have made it a generic version of WWE or WCW. I think they have to be original to have a chance at being true competition.

When WCW went head to head with WWE they had more talent and way more money than TNA has, and in the end WWE put them out of business. Dixie should be worried she has a descent product, but she should not even try to compete with Vince yet.

 

[The Marauder]

Well, to my knowledge if Dixie was worried, she would have threw IMPACT back on Thursday's already. Now I don't care what WWE doing but Carter should 110% behind her product. And then some. She has the enough firepower to go against WWE but she has to stop letting "ratings" get to her. Like the old saying; "It takes a while for a ship to turn in the right direction." Am I worried about TNA can't beat WWE? No. Why? TNA has that appeal that WWE lacks. Wrestling wise anyway.

Now despite what this thread is saying or crapping on TNA whichever the case may be trying to find the people to help TNA steer in the right direction is in the following.

Shane McMahon: Only if his dad is buying the place.

Ted Turner: Like Vince, if Turner is thinking of buying the company and getting back in the wrestling wars.

The F. Brothers: If they think that pro-wrestling is a commodity in their eyes.

Paul Heyman: Now I may get bashed for this but wasn't Heyman very vocal about the TNA product. Couple months ago. It's was more on the lines of the TNA originals should go to the WWE to make themselves better than they already are? That when I lost respect for him. You know what, fuck Heyman.

The only thing Carter should worry about is how to get TNA name out there more and put on the best wrestling matches on free TV can provide. And other "the competitor" would not do.

Myself and a million people crossed the line. 3.8 is afraid to try.

The Marauder

 

[psykohurricane]

I really don'T know if she's able to compete with vince or not. Let's face the fact, when WWE started airing Superstars every thursdays and IMPACT was on thursdays following Superstars, IMPACT would barely edge out Superstars in the ratings. For years they weren't even able to beat ECW in the ratings and that saying something because you know as much as i know how shitty ECW was. They've been stuck in this 1.0 to 1.4 ratings bracket since they started having 2 hour for IMPACT.

Nothing as change since then except for who's on the roster. All the die-hard TNA fans and wrestling experts wrote and talk about what would it take to take TNA into the next level. Even former TNA owner Jerry Jarrett talk about what TNA needs to do to take the company to the next level but yet again nobody in TNA is listening.

I've been a long time fan of TNA, i've seen everything both good and bad but the one thing i've never seen since they jump to Spike TV is change, change in the pacing of the show, change in the direction of the company and change about the politics of the company. TNA always hope that by having a big surprise on the show that casual fan will start talking and watch the show. Look over the years, they keep the Sting signing secret, when he showed up, it was a big surprise and people were talking about it after but it didn'T translate into ratings because once the magic was gone, the casual fan didn'T care. Same goes for Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, RVD and Jeff Hardy.

TNA as try to indirectly compete with WWE for years and over the years it was good if they were able to be ECW & Superstars and the ratings and it did'nt always happenned.

After giving 7 years of my life to TNA, supporting them and buying their ppv, i finally gave up and decided to cross the line back to WWE ans looking at the ratings last week, i see i'm not the only one. So Dixie should be worried because if you weren'T able to get out of that 1.0 ratings when you were on thursdays, what make you think you will be able to get out of it on mondays

 

[WWE Manster03]

OP, I don't think Dixie is afraid she can't compete with Vince. It is much to early to have that mentality, and their product will eventually improve. I am glad the main page confirmed for me what I was wondering to myself though, and that is all the higher ups in TNA ( Dixie, Bischoff, Hogan, Russo, Ferrara) were waiting for the ratings to come out and were very concerned. Why were they concerned you may ask? Because the show that was touted as one of the biggest nights in company history pulled the same rating*if not worse* than what they were doing 4 months ago. The move to Mondays for them wasn't going to get the a 2.0 overnight, but in their eyes they should of been able to at least pull a 1.4-1.6, which they obviously can't. That should cause a bit of worry.
Also, I'm not the type to call someone out in a forum, but Phenominal do you have ANY idea how companies make money in this business? Here is how....
1. Venue ticket sales(both tv/house shows/ppv)
2. Merchandise(wwe.com/tnawrestling.com and at the shows themselves)
3. Ad revenue(from Spike TV/USA respecitvely)
What common denominator do you see in those 3? Ratings determine the overall total of each. I'll use WWE as an example...WWE puts on a Raw on USA in Madison Square Garden*why not* and sells out...During the broadcast, they announce that a month from now they will be in Philly. Fans in Philly WATCHING the show will see this, go to the boxoffice/ticketmaster.com and purchase tickets. Some will buy stuff online prior to the show to wear, but most will get it when they get to the venue...During the month leading up to that Philly show, WWE gets around a 3.4-3.5 in the ratings, and USA decides to push more WWE ad spots during the week(during NCIS/House/Psych/White Collar....shows that the WWE fan may watch but also shows the non viewer may watch and get them interested.) Philly show comes, the casual fan they got to tune in during mid week ad spots tunes in and sees the people that bought tickets for the show with their merch and thinks it looks fun, so they look to see if WWE is coming to their area and see in 2 months they will be in their area(lets say Dallas) and the cycle starts over.
Basic point is, if nobody watches your show there is noway in hell you will maximize your profits/hit your merch goals/sell out your venues/get more buyrates for PPV(because people have to watch your show to be interested enough to plop down $45 for a PPV. Ratings are the LIFELINE of a wrestling company. That is why AOL sold WCW when they bought Turner out. The companies ratings didn't warrant them keeping them on the air. End of story.

 

[jrharris02]

After giving 7 years of my life to TNA, supporting them and buying their ppv, i finally gave up and decided to cross the line back to WWE ans looking at the ratings last week, i see i'm not the only one. So Dixie should be worried because if you weren'T able to get out of that 1.0 ratings when you were on thursdays, what make you think you will be able to get out of it on mondays[/QUOTE]


WTF??? So u rather tune into a show where great matches are predictable and end in DQ? WWE doesnt have nothing on TNA when it comes to actual wrestling! Thats the foundation of this whole operation, WRESTLING! WWE cares about segments and guests hosts rather than wrestling. I get wowed everytime I watch TNA kuz they actually care about wrestling skills. Everybody does the same moves over and over in WWE (John Cena, Kane, HBK, etc.). I remember back in the day, HBK and other superstars did a variety of moves. How can you tune into something repeatitive week after week? Its old and boring.

 

[WWE Manster03]

After giving 7 years of my life to TNA, supporting them and buying their ppv, i finally gave up and decided to cross the line back to WWE ans looking at the ratings last week, i see i'm not the only one. So Dixie should be worried because if you weren'T able to get out of that 1.0 ratings when you were on thursdays, what make you think you will be able to get out of it on mondays

WTF??? So u rather tune into a show where great matches are predictable and end in DQ? WWE doesnt have nothing on TNA when it comes to actual wrestling! Thats the foundation of this whole operation, WRESTLING! WWE cares about segments and guests hosts rather than wrestling. I get wowed everytime I watch TNA kuz they actually care about wrestling skills. Everybody does the same moves over and over in WWE (John Cena, Kane, HBK, etc.). I remember back in the day, HBK and other superstars did a variety of moves. How can you tune into something repeatitive week after week? Its old and boring.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he is saying he tunes in for the great matches(not if he is watching Raw at least.lol) I think the reason he switched back to WWE is because TNA's booking has been mind numbingly terrible. Case in point, this Monday's episdoe of Impact...Please tell me why Jimmy Hart was wrestling in a match. Somebody please explain to me why a man that is in his 60's with minimal if not 0% wrestling experience gets the pin on the most decorated tag team champions in history. If someone can give me a SOLID explaination as to why they chose to go that route, I'll eat my hat. I can tell you what someone will say..."It makes the Dudley Boys want to get even and makes the fans care." No it doesn't. The crowd was dead(even think I heard a you cant wrestle chant for 80% of the match) and there booking has buried to Dudleyz to any new casual viewers they may have gained. We IWC members all know the Dudleyz will come out on top, but to the casual fan how does it look when a bunch of fat, out of shape, homeless person lookalikes with a squeeky voiced midget as a manager pretty much works over the "main event team" the entire match? Stuff like that is what leaves me scratching my head. Other than that, this weeks show wasn't terrible. It was better than last weeks for sure.