Did WWE Fear TNA?

[itssoeasy123]

NO

I don't think WWE cares at all about TNA and doesn't even consider then even close to competition.

TNA is a small dot on the WWE's radar. They did not sabotage their storyline by geting Booker and Nash, both who wanted to go to WWE.

WWE is'nt afraid of TNA, much less, doesn't care about them at all. In fact, it's TNA who's afraid of WWE becuase WWE is the superior company and any minute now, Cena turn's heel, and RAW's getting 4.0 ratings.

 

[MarkoMan]

WWE doesn't fear TNA, but every so often, TNA does get a slight buzz that allows WWE to take notice. WWE always react in some way, shape, or form, but at the end of the day, they have nothing to worry about until (if) Impact starts to match SmackDown in ratings.

 

[sfury2005]

Why would you intentionally screw them over if you did not care about them? Even if this is the case feeling the need to show your dominance highlights the insecurity over what TNA could be.

Because Vince is who he is. He's a man with a huge ego and he gets off on doing stuff like that.

For instance after he bought WCW he had control of it and WCW could do nothing to hurt him but he buried almost every WCW wrestler just because he could. Which also cost him a lot of former WCW viewers that said forget it if I have to watch this stuff I'd rather watch nothing.

 

[itssoeasy123]

Because Vince is who he is. He's a man with a huge ego and he gets off on doing stuff like that.

For instance after he bought WCW he had control of it and WCW could do nothing to hurt him but he buried almost every WCW wrestler just because he could. Which also cost him a lot of former WCW viewers that said forget it if I have to watch this stuff I'd rather watch nothing.

It's clear that Nash said he wanted to end his wrestling career where it began. Booker T has'nt been in TNA in 3 or so years.

Booker T is gonna have a book out and probably saw WWE as a good way to promote it.

Nash and Booker were not ever under contract when they began mentioning the MEM "They" storyline.

It's TNA's own fault it fell flat, not Vince McMahon's. Vince sought out two guy's who are potential Hall Of Famer from WCW alumni to put them in the biggest Royal Rumble ever during the WCW themed 2011.

I doubt Vince knew about them going to TNA and in my honest opinion, I think Nash was slated for the Royal Rumble after he has the tweet back in December of 2010. Why? Becuase I doubt he would bash WWE's youth movement and current superstar's such as Barret and Shaemus, hopeing to get into the Royal Rumble.

And ironicly, who were the two people who the camera's closed up on, Wade Barret and Shaemus. And also, there obvious would have been some backlash from Barret and Sheamus and contless other young superstars becuase of Nash's words. Maybe Nash sought to play the IWCand bash everybody current WWE to act like him in the Royal Rumble was inpossible, when in fact, it was already booked.

Don't blame Vince McMahon, don't blame WWE, don't blame Nash and Booker.

Blame Eric Bischoff and Dixie Carter for booking a storyline with two guy's who do'nt even have contract's with the company.

 

[sfury2005]

WWE Never, and i mean NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!! fears TNA and never will
if TNA Impact started beating Smackdown (or even NXT for that matter) on a regular basis and actually got PPV buys, they may consider them a hinderance.

You do realize NXT ratings have been well under 1.0 which is behind TNA and Smackdown has been drawing around a 1.95 rating for the most part since switching to SyFy which is larger that TNA but not beating them that badly.

I'm not saying WWE fears TNA just answering your post.

 

[sfury2005]

It's clear that Nash said he wanted to end his wrestling career where it began. Booker T has'nt been in TNA in 3 or so years.

Booker T is gonna have a book out and probably saw WWE as a good way to promote it.

Nash and Booker were not ever under contract when they began mentioning the MEM "They" storyline.

It's TNA's own fault it fell flat, not Vince McMahon's. Vince sought out two guy's who are potential Hall Of Famer from WCW alumni to put them in the biggest Royal Rumble ever during the WCW themed 2011.

I doubt Vince knew about them going to TNA and in my honest opinion, I think Nash was slated for the Royal Rumble after he has the tweet back in December of 2010. Why? Becuase I doubt he would bash WWE's youth movement and current superstar's such as Barret and Shaemus, hopeing to get into the Royal Rumble.

And ironicly, who were the two people who the camera's closed up on, Wade Barret and Shaemus. And also, there obvious would have been some backlash from Barret and Sheamus and contless other young superstars becuase of Nash's words. Maybe Nash sought to play the IWCand bash everybody current WWE to act like him in the Royal Rumble was inpossible, when in fact, it was already booked.

Don't blame Vince McMahon, don't blame WWE, don't blame Nash and Booker.

Blame Eric Bischoff and Dixie Carter for booking a storyline with two guy's who do'nt even have contract's with the company.

It's and awful big coincidence if he didn't know.

The point you miss is that Nash was under contract to TNA. He said so himself after his appearance at Royal Rumble. On X-pacs show X-pac said something about TNA being stupid for teasing the MEM return and not having guys signed. Nash said in all fairness to TNA I did sign a contract in early January with them. He went on to say after seeing the angle of Abyss with Janice stuck in his back falling on the stage and the way the angle was shaping up he chose to back out of his contract. He threw in the fact that WWE called him made it even easier to decide to back out of it.

By the way I'm not blaming anyone I was simply answering a question. I can't stand Nash and am glad he's gone from TNA. TNA must not have wanted him to bad either since they freely let him out of his contract to go and be in WWE..


As for who the camera ended up on after the Rumble I'm sorry but I could care less. I don't watch WWE and only thing that might get me to watch it is of Sting does go there.

 

[An Angry Blonde]

This is a much better post. I actually agree to an extent. I do not think they fear TNA as a whole. It isn't because Vince says so though. He isn't Stone Cold after all. It is conceivable that they did wonder about the older audience implications in both companies though. This situation is different from the examples you mention though because of the timing of how they went after the guys and that they would I assume have to at least give them a reason to try and get out of what they had with TNA. It being a good business practice implies it helps WWE and hurts TNA, doesn't it?

The timing is too coincidental for this decision to have had nothing to do with TNA. Just look at how the roles of the two are nothing special or seemingly kind of just thrown together. Since it had something to do with TNA then WWE cared enough to do something to the company. Thus, they found it necessary to hold them back in some way. I doubt it was actually necessary but that doesn't change the fact they did it. It is an inescapable byproduct of WWE's actions. They cared enough about TNA enough to do this.

To be 100% honest I think Vince/ the WWE did just to screw up/ piss off TNA.Think about, Bischoff admitted that fortune was plan B, so MEM(or a version of it) must of been plan A. Nash and Booker T returned at the RR, lasted about 5 minutes each, got great pops, and are everything BUT set in stone to enter the HOF(espiscally since its rumored to be WCW themed this year.) But anyway I think vince just wanted to intentionally piss off Dixie,hogan, and all the rest that run Tna. Vince was probably laughing to himself when Nash and Booker signed under wwe's contract.That or he was trying to suck out what talent/draw from legends before they hang up the boots peremantly.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Did WWE fear TNA? I doubt it. Did Vince know exactly what he was doing by taking Nash and Booker, even if he won't admit it had anything to do with TNA? I think so.

I seriously cannot buy into Vince viewing TNA as a threat. TNA attempted a move to Monday; failure. TNA brought in Hogan and Bischoff; didn't make a difference. Vince doesn't fear TNA...but, he knows they're around.

Vince may not be afraid of TNA at this point, but he has to know anything is possible. Five years from now, however unlikely it is, TNA could have twice the audience they do now, and be viewed as some sort of actual competition. Again, not likely, but possible. Vince knows this, and I'm sure he's more than happy to step on the throat of TNA whenever he can. Vince would never admit this had anything to do with TNA, but it probably did, even just a little bit.

 

[SpecialFNK]

I don't think WWE went after Nash or Booker specifically to hurt TNA, but went after 2 former WWE stars from the past to fill up a Rumble. IF WWE did think they were going to hurt TNA by getting Nash/Booker, them I'm laughing. regardless of what role Nash/Booker could have/would have had in TNA, neither of them are significant anymore. IF WWE did think they were going to hurt TNA by getting Nash/Booker, then they failed. Fortune turning on Immortal is much better than MEM returning.

does WWE have any worries that they will lose significant ratings to TNA? no. but that doesn't mean WWE isn't concerned at all with what TNA is doing.

IMO it's unfortunate so much value is placed on the ratings. it's apples and oranges. they are both fruit, but still different. WWE has so many life long viewers that already know what's going on that they will always watch and not even give TNA chance because it's new to them.
it's too bad there wasn't another way to rate/value what's going on in the 2 different companies. does TNA make mistakes? no doubt, but so does WWE.

 

[shattered dreams]

The interesting thing here is how successful Vince has been keeping up the appearance that WWE has no awareness of TNA. The idea is ridiculous but pervasive. Even when WWE does things like this they are playing a dangerous game IMO. TNA made a big mistake when they moved to mondays because they were trying to bring the fight to WWE. That made TNA look like the cocky kid that thinks he is better than he really is. No one likes that kid. It turned into a divisive move for the wrestling fanbase that seemed to hurt TNA. Now WWE does something like this but they got away with it. As soon as WWE does something that is obviously aimed at hurting TNA they have screwed up. Then TNA transforms back into the lovable underdog and WWE is the heartless corporation that ruined wrestling.

 

[Mustang Sally]

The timing is too coincidental for this decision to have had nothing to do with TNA.

Of course it had to do with TNA, but that's a long way from WWE being afraid of TNA.

There is no reason for Vince to not try to hurt TNA since the younger company's total effort seemed to be directed toward trying to overcome WWE. If TNA had stayed where they were on Thursday and stopped trying to take down the giant, I doubt that Vince McMahon would have bothered with them at all, except to maybe pick off an occasional performer whom he thought would benefit his company...... but that's nothing Vince wouldn't have done with ROH or anyone else. Since most of the stars of TNA were people Vince had gotten rid of already, I don't think he begrudged them a chance to make a living with another wrestling organization.

But was the Nash & Booker signing a shot at TNA? Sure it was. The timing was no coincidence; Vince was looking to hurt them by targeting a specific TNA program.

But no, he doesn't fear TNA. They fired the first shot themselves and wound up proving there was no reason to fear them. But I sincerely believe that if they didn't pull that Monday night garbage and everything that went along with it, Vince would have left them in peace.

 

[Davi323]

I love reading Shattered Dream's delusions of grandeur...its entertaining. If, and this is a BIG if, I even accept the premise that the WWE signed Nash and Booker T as even an indirect swipe at TNA, that doesn't mean the WWE is afraid of TNA, if anytrhing it indicates how afraid of the WWE TNA should be. You can't plan long term storylines anymore, because the WWE can throw some cash around, and fuck all of it up.

You should be thankful the WWE doesn't really care about you, because if they wanted to, they could end you. They have the money and the prestige to take just about any wrestler they want from you. Sure, TNA fans will claim some of their wrestlers are loyal, but for the right amount of cash, any wrestler's loyalty would waver. Wrestlers want to make money, and if the WWE seriously gave a shit about what TNA was doing, they could simply buy all of the real talent in TNA, leaving them with nothing but no-name indy wrestlers that nobody cares about.

But, that is only if I accepted the premise in the first place. I don't. Kevin Nash has made no bones about the fact that he wanted to return to the WWE. Booker T hasn't been employed by TNA in years. If they had stolen AJ Styles, or someone else that is a regular contributor to TNA's weekly shows, maybe Shattered Dreams would have an argument. But Nash and Booker T? Just a lame attempt at straw grasping.

 

[Gateway313]

IMO, Vince does not fear TNA but he is concerned about what TNA is doing. Vince would love to see TNA crash and burn or will do whatever he can to make TNA look like amatures compared to him and his company. Many hate Hogan & Bischoff now but love them when they were in WWE. I really don't care that Nash & Boooker signed with WWE. I do find it hilarious how many people bashed TNA when Nash and Booker were under contract with them but are now ****shipping and praising them for working in WWE. I've been a wrestling fan for over 20 years and I'm not just a WWE wrestling fan. MacMahon knows that many WWE fans only love WWE and hate TNA as he does. TNA has many talented wrestlers and they are doing OK. Any chance Vince gets to make TNA look bad he will do it. He would re-sign Hogan and Bischoff now if he could and fans of WWE who claim to hate then now will love them if back in WWE.

 

[The Crock]

No, I just think that it was the right time for him to use Booker and Nash, after all it was the Rumble. Like you said, TNA couldn't have used the MEM storyline to surpass WWE, so why would Vince fear that? He wouldn't. I really think it just came down to him wanting to pull some big names that people would recognize, that could still somewhat go in the ring, out into the Royal Rumble. It's also a smart move by Vince, he unintentionally caused TNA to have to rewrite a major storyline. That was an inadvertent positive for Vince, that came from all of this.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Obviously WWE does not fear TNA in the least. Vince merely thought that Booker and Diesel coming from outta nowhere into the Royal Rumble would be a cool surprise for the fans and so he took that decision. I don't even think that Vince has much of an idea about the Main Event Mafia or even what is going on in TNA at the moment.

And frankly there is no reason why WWE should be scared of TNA. TNA are the second best wrestling company out there, but they are a very distant second. The only way TNA could ever catch up with the WWE is if some business tycoon with as much or perhaps more money than Vince bought TNA. Since that is pretty much out of question there is logically no reason for Vince to be scared of TNA.

 

[The HEEL JuiceLee]

If they were really under contract with TNA they couldn't go to WWE. That's kind of the point of said contract. If they were actually under contract TNA would be suing the shit out of Nash, Booker and the WWE. TNA simply jumped the gun and started trying to promote people that weren't under contract yet and that's just stupid. WWE knew they could get Nash when they wanted to, prolly the same goes for Booker and they were perfect surprises for the Rumble. WWE doesn't have to fear anything TNA does because honestly they are two completely different products.

NASH did sign a contract with TNA but backed out because the booking didnt make sense to bring him in while kurt was beating immortal by hisself

 

[itssoeasy123]

I honestly don't think Vince McMahon even knew about the "They" storyline, MEM, or Nash being with TNA. I do'nt think Vince knows, nor cares about what TNA does. How would he? I doubt there's some guy backstage calling Vince and telling him everything TNA is doing or is gonna do. How would Vince know about Nash or Booker being in the storyline?

Here is a qoute from former WWE writer Joe "Schmo" Schmociosi. He mentioned the January 4th RAW and how they had TNA on, becuase it was also on Monday and they wanted to know what was going on. Vince McMahon saw TNA on the monitor and said the following: "They steal everything, that TNT."


TNA is the (long distanced) secong wrestling corportation in America. But WWE does'nt care about them at all and the owner of WWE does'nt evn know what their called. Why would he care about TNA, much less wanna abolish a storyline? For ego? No, he can care less about what TNA does.

 

[Dizzy]

If they were really under contract with TNA they couldn't go to WWE. That's kind of the point of said contract.

Actually, Kevin was under a said contract but he asked for his release a few days before the Rumble. It was given to him and that's how he got to WWE. Reason for asking out of his contract? He did not like the Crimson stabbing Abyss storyline. Which is funny considering he didn't ask for his release when TNA did the RVD getting slaughtered by Janice storyline.

TNA should have simply told him no but Dixie has some class with her employees. Which is why I hate the fact Nash is talking shit about TNA after the fact they did not pull a Matt Hardy and keep him under contract to make his life miserable.

 

[Sparky]

I'm not even sure why I'm posting this, what I have to say has already been said about 50 times already but here goes.

The reason the WWE hired Nash and Booker for the rumble wasn't because they feared what the outcome would of been if they didn't. As stated before, It was done because it was supposed to be the biggest Rumble ever and they wanted a few surprises.

Your argument about this is just like saying that the WWE convinced the great khali to come back because they was afraid he was going to get poached by that politician.

 

[Davi323]

TNA should have simply told him no but Dixie has some class with her employees. Which is why I hate the fact Nash is talking shit about TNA after the fact they did not pull a Matt Hardy and keep him under contract to make his life miserable.

Except for one treeny, tiny flaw in your argument. The WWE did release Matt Hardy. It was this past October. You can google it if you want. But that isn't nearly as classy as talking shit about the company that has given you everything you ever acheived in life, is it? Class means taking a dump on the people responsible for millions of people knowing who you are, for giving you all the money that you used to buy cars, homes, big screen TVs, etc. Class is insulting the company that gave you your big break, that allowed you to reach for your dream, and made you a champion many times over. Yep, nothing but pure class from Matt Hardy, the beacon, the shining example of classiness.

 

[CMVshow]

TNA is just gunna become another WCW or ECW. sooner or later WWE is going to feel threatened and try to buy them out or conjoin them. I think the wwe will do something like invade TNA and thats how it will get started

 

[Iced]

Except for one treeny, tiny flaw in your argument. The WWE did release Matt Hardy. It was this past October. You can google it if you want. But that isn't nearly as classy as talking shit about the company that has given you everything you ever acheived in life, is it? Class means taking a dump on the people responsible for millions of people knowing who you are, for giving you all the money that you used to buy cars, homes, big screen TVs, etc. Class is insulting the company that gave you your big break, that allowed you to reach for your dream, and made you a champion many times over. Yep, nothing but pure class from Matt Hardy, the beacon, the shining example of classiness.

Matt Hardy has "cold icy water" running through his veins! How would you expect such a cold hearted individual to act?! Beware Matt "Cold Blood" Hardy....BEWARE! Vampires don't like the taste of him...