Did HHH Use CM Punk To Get Himself Over Again?

[Krossbreed]

cm punk pretty much rebuilt hhh. Its kinda cool to see how outdated kevin nash is and how "in" hhh is considerign that he and nash started around the same time in the business.

the cm punk hhh aliance makes complete sense they had conflict, they feuded hhh gained punks respect punk realized hhh wasnt the source of the conspiracy... they share a common enemy in johnny ace, but i think punk and hhh should still have friction punk should still do heel things like have punk and hhh bump into each otehr on accident missing tags and have them feud but still win that tag match...i prefer a slightly more p.o. punk now he seems a bit too happy.

 

[ratedrdestiny]

Really? Why would Triple H need Punk to get back on top. If anything he gave punk something to do at vengeance outside of the title match.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Then Triple H turned back up on TV and into a programme with punk. The weeks passed and Punk's momentum has slowed down and nobody is no longer talking about Punk after RAW anymore...They are mostly talking about Triple H.

What has really put Triple H back into the spotlight is the conspiracy theory angle, not Punk. HHH was in a high profile angle with Punk when he returned but at that time the spotlight was still on Punk and would have remained that way had Miz and Truth not started their shenangians.

That story is what fixed the spotlight onto Triple H as he became the babyface who was facing a company wide crisis so early into his job. In effect CM Punk was used by Triple H only to get to the post of the COO. He can thank Miz/ Truth and the other conspirators like Ziggler, Swagger and Otunga for him becoming the most talked about person on Raw.

Oh, and before I forget, this does NOT mean that Punk has been buried. He is still very over and continuing to play a very important part on the babyface team that is combating the conspirators. He is actually even more important than Cena in this angle currently as Cena also has to think of his rematch against Del Rio. In such a case, Punk has become HHH's biggest accomplice in this fight to save the company.

 

[dansaun77]

of course he did, Triple H IS NO DUMMY. Punk didnt re-sign at the last minute, that decision was made 3 weeks out from the ppv. The night he made his infamous speech on Raw, he resigned that afternoon with the company. Facts please

 

[The Champ]

No offense, but this sounds like just another of those "Waah waah Triple H is in the spotlight again" type of threads. Some of you guys need to understand that there is something in the WWE, and in any successful soap opera or television program, called story arcs. This all started with a HUGE push for Punk, and then led into another direction with Triple H's authority as COO being challenged. But just because Punk isn't being pushed as the sole focus anymore doesn't mean that he was solely used to get Triple H over again. Clearly, his push is still going strong, as evidenced by him being involved in the main match at the pay-per-view yet again. When WWE started this with Punk's shoot, they wanted to get him over huge and make him into the star that he perhaps always should have been. There's no way they said to themselves, "Let's use Punk's overness with the internet to bring Triple H back into the spotlight, and then depush him again like always." No. There are clear differences between this push and every other push that Punk has gotten, and if you can't see them, then you haven't been watching very closely.

 

[A**hole]

I think we'll learn the answer to this question in about 6 weeks when we see who the last face is at survivor series Punk or HHH.
I know HHH doesn't need Punk to put him over, he's been over way to long but Punk needs to be put over as a face still IMO. We all know he can get over as a heel but his last attempt as a face just didn't fly.

 

[#hamler]

Triple H is a fucking spotlight hog. Wouldn't be surprised if he hands himself the title again at this point.

How is he a spotlight hog?

Because he's over then everyone on the roster not named John Cena? Because he's involved in a feud that would make shit sense without him? Seriously? I don't see how anyone could come to these conclusions. Triple H is part of the unique group of active WWE superstars who are actually considered a total package and they're using that to their advantage by putting him in the ring against guys like CM Punk, R-Truth, and The Miz. Was I unaware that Triple H has said he's stepping out of the ring for good? Ever since he was put out by Sheamus people here just assumed his career was over. Why is it not ok for a man who is more over then the entire roster, more well known, and one if the better performers who just so happens to be 40, not allowed to wrestle a couple matches to help elevate stars who need him?

I posted about this a while back. John Cena, Randy Orton, and CM Punk can only do so much they can't out over an entire roster of guys who lack being over. I don't understand how anyone can complain when Triple H steps in the ring and helps put over some of this generation's younger talent.

He isn't a spot light hog. He isn't selfish. He's a fucking veteran wrestler who could do wonders for anyone that touches him. Whether they beat him or not doesn't matter; like Steve Austin says, "a match with Triple H is a good day at the office."

(Understand that last sentence. Study it. It will help everyone understand the word bury.)

 

[Dagger Dias]

Trips can't help it if the fans still like him. He is not hogging the spotlight or using Punk to get himself over again. I don't see why you would think that unless you just don't like him and always view him negatively as a result. Trips knows what is good for the business and he was trying to help Punk get over. To think he used Punk to get himself over is ridiculous because the only reason fans are talking more about Trips right now is the fact that the storyline is focusing on him during the walkout to further put over what a big deal that was. Punk is still getting a push to the top, that never changed.

 

[MetalFace DOOM]

Trips can't help it if the fans still like him. He is not hogging the spotlight or using Punk to get himself over again. I don't see why you would think that unless you just don't like him and always view him negatively as a result. Trips knows what is good for the business and he was trying to help Punk get over. To think he used Punk to get himself over is ridiculous because the only reason fans are talking more about Trips right now is the fact that the storyline is focusing on him during the walkout to further put over what a big deal that was. Punk is still getting a push to the top, that never changed.

Well said. I mean i'm not a Trips fan but.. He can't help, nor can i help the fact that it is Triple H and that fans still like him a ton. And Triple H is trying to get Punk over. It has worked greatly thus far. Triple H is already forever over might i add.. He's a legend, so why would he be trying to get over if he's already over? You Punk fans are kinda whiny at times like CM Punk himself lol, which i dont know why. The man is getting pushed to the top, what more do you want? he's the biggest thing going right now

 

[dman1373]

How is he a spotlight hog?

Because he's over then everyone on the roster not named John Cena? Because he's involved in a feud that would make shit sense without him? Seriously? I don't see how anyone could come to these conclusions. Triple H is part of the unique group of active WWE superstars who are actually considered a total package and they're using that to their advantage by putting him in the ring against guys like CM Punk, R-Truth, and The Miz. Was I unaware that Triple H has said he's stepping out of the ring for good? Ever since he was put out by Sheamus people here just assumed his career was over. Why is it not ok for a man who is more over then the entire roster, more well known, and one if the better performers who just so happens to be 40, not allowed to wrestle a couple matches to help elevate stars who need him?

I posted about this a while back. John Cena, Randy Orton, and CM Punk can only do so much they can't out over an entire roster of guys who lack being over. I don't understand how anyone can complain when Triple H steps in the ring and helps put over some of this generation's younger talent.

He isn't a spot light hog. He isn't selfish. He's a fucking veteran wrestler who could do wonders for anyone that touches him. Whether they beat him or not doesn't matter; like Steve Austin says, "a match with Triple H is a good day at the office."

(Understand that last sentence. Study it. It will help everyone understand the word bury.)

i didn't care to read your whole comment, but i saw you ask the question why is spotlight hog?

Its because when a guy like cm punk is building momentum and is just turning face he comes in and trys to belittle him, but not as a heel, as a face. Then the shows focus switches from cena, del rio, or punk to triple h. Since triple h has returned the focus has been on him. hell, hes just killed all of punks momentum by beating punk in a match when triple h got attacked. Now when you look at triple h and cm punk vs. miz and truth, triple h has been getting all the attention. Its about him and johnny ace and how johnny ace rehired miz and truth and blah blah blah. Triple h is just a momentum killer. He killed rvd's momentum in 2002, he killed king booker's, he killed randy orton's. Now im even beleiving that if you get more over then triple h, your gonna get got.

 

[#hamler]

i didn't care to read your whole comment, but i saw you ask the question why is spotlight hog?

Go back and read it, it might help you understand my point.

Its because when a guy like cm punk is building momentum and is just turning face he comes in and trys to belittle him, but not as a heel, as a face. Then the shows focus switches from cena, del rio, or punk to triple h.

I'm still not understanding how the focus is all on him. Does he play a major part in this storyline? Yes but at the same time he's helping to put over CM Punk, Miz and Truth and not to mention John Laurinaitis as the Raw GM. There's no way this feud would be interesting without someone as big a name as Triple H. Triple H = draw. You use your draw to help put over some of the younger or less over guys.

Since triple h has returned the focus has been on him. hell, hes just killed all of punks momentum by beating punk in a match when triple h got attacked.

Punk's momentum is still going strong. He's still being pushed gradually.

Now when you look at triple h and cm punk vs. miz and truth, triple h has been getting all the attention. Its about him and johnny ace and how johnny ace rehired miz and truth and blah blah blah.

No, it's about the walk-out and how 55 Superstars turned their backs on Triple H

Triple h is just a momentum killer.

CM Punk can't hold the WWE Championship 24/7. There's no doubt CM Punk's, The Miz's and R-Truth momentum is going strong thanks to Triple H. Just because CM Punk isn't going after the WWE Title doesn't mean he doesn't have any momentum. Do you have any idea where Randy Orton, John Cena, Batista, Jeff Hardy would be without Triple H. I'll say it again, a match with Triple H is a good day at the office.

He killed rvd's momentum in 2002,

As much as the WWE tried with RVD, he'd always remain a midcarder.

he killed king booker's,

Booker T was leaving the WWE by the time Triple H came back for their match at Summerslam.

he killed randy orton's.

Lol, Randy Orton never lost any momentum. He went on to feud with Undertaker in an amazing rilvalry.

Now im even beleiving that if you get more over then triple h, your gonna get got.

Lol, no. Batista was more over. Cena was more over. Jeff Hardy was more over. Like Steve Austin said, a match with Triple H is a good day at the office. Please understand what that means. Being in the same storyline with Triple H will do wonders for Punk's, Miz's and R-Truth's careers. Just because you use one of your best guys doesn't make him a spotlight hog. Please, for the love of god, don't tell me you think Cena and Orton are spotlight hogs too...

 

[Peoples_Champ]

I don't think the intention was to do that, it just ended up happening that way. HHH had to go over on Punk because HHH's role is more important, so many wrestlers are depending on his character to be successful in their own angles (Awesome Truth, Laurinitis, Cena, Punk, Otunga, Christian, etc.)

It ended up happening that way, but I give most of the blame to the writers. They squandered Punk's heat because they didn't know what to do.

I still believe that Punk will regain his top dog status, he has too much talent to be buried ever again, and I'm sure he'll hold the title before WrestleMania (December PPV?). It's just a matter of time. And as much as I dislike HHH, his role is absolutely crucial right now, so he needs to be over.

 

[Crazy Beautiful]

whether or not HHH used Punk to get over is less of an issue than how the writers dropped the ball with the large momentum they had with the storyline and like others have said, I believe, they didn't know what to do with it.

In all of the promos I have watched repeatedly with Punk, the most important thing he said was that the FANS WERE BEING FED SCRAPS by the wwe and we deserved better

He was only saying what most fans were thinking and even though we were finally seeing a well-paced interesting story within a few weeks, sadly, the momentum was gone. Whether HHH was the motivation behind that is unknown but again we are back to a few bright spots/stories in an otherwise boring programming

we fans deserve better!!!! If it takes a few more rants from Punk I say let him have the mic again

 

[Headman]

The idea of Triple H using Punk to get himself over is obsured. Triple H was more over than Punk to begin with. The real problem is that the initial storyline made Punk look whiny when he was supposed to be getting himself over as a face. Triple H isn't a moron. He knows that his time in the ring is coming to an end and if there were enough star power in the WWE to succeed without him, he probably wouldn't have come back in the first place. I'm going to put the blame soley on WWE creative for Triple H out popping Punk. Triple H didn't have to go heel, but they could have alteast given Punk something to say other than...

Punk: "I want change."
HHH: "Ok, what change?"
Punk: "You just don't get it."
HHH: "Ok, tell me what I don't get."
Punk: "Ice cream bars!"

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Uhh, no. the opposite actually. HHH was already super over before. Punk's star was just really starting. They were trying burn Punk into people's minds as a big deal. So he was in a big time feud with Cena, and then one with HHH. HHH ended up respecting him, which gave Punk more credibility than any title win ever could.

Punk worked his ass off and he was rewarded with feuds against top guys to make the most of it and everyone hit a home run.

You guys act like Punk could have gotten over all by himself. Nobody ever gets over all by themself. Without Cena and HHH, Punk wouldn't be as over. It's not that Punk isn't talented, just that you can't add 1+0 and get 2, you need another "1".

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

whether or not HHH used Punk to get over is less of an issue than how the writers dropped the ball with the large momentum they had with the storyline and like others have said, I believe, they didn't know what to do with it.

In all of the promos I have watched repeatedly with Punk, the most important thing he said was that the FANS WERE BEING FED SCRAPS by the wwe and we deserved better

He was only saying what most fans were thinking and even though we were finally seeing a well-paced interesting story within a few weeks, sadly, the momentum was gone. Whether HHH was the motivation behind that is unknown but again we are back to a few bright spots/stories in an otherwise boring programming

we fans deserve better!!!! If it takes a few more rants from Punk I say let him have the mic again

"most fans"? Lol, if "most fans" felt like they were being fed scraps, WWE wouldn't exist. Punk stopped talkin about that because most of the audience DIDN'T buy into it. He stopped being so smarmy and got more over. Get your head out of your ass. He said those things to make an impact and get over.

Also, WWE didn't drop the ball on anything. Punk isn now truly a huge star and both Truth and Miz have been elevated. If becoming a huge star is "dropping the ball" then I hope the WWE drops the ball with me.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

i didn't care to read your whole comment, but i saw you ask the question why is spotlight hog?

Its because when a guy like cm punk is building momentum and is just turning face he comes in and trys to belittle him, but not as a heel, as a face. Then the shows focus switches from cena, del rio, or punk to triple h. Since triple h has returned the focus has been on him. hell, hes just killed all of punks momentum by beating punk in a match when triple h got attacked. Now when you look at triple h and cm punk vs. miz and truth, triple h has been getting all the attention. Its about him and johnny ace and how johnny ace rehired miz and truth and blah blah blah. Triple h is just a momentum killer. He killed rvd's momentum in 2002, he killed king booker's, he killed randy orton's. Now im even beleiving that if you get more over then triple h, your gonna get got.

I honest to go hate guys like you. It's this whole "us vs the world' conspiracy stupidity. You sound like the dumbest motherfucker on earth. Not as a flame, not as a putdown, as an abjective. You're like those crazy rednecks who think the government is conspiring against them.

HHH is over, VERY VERY fucking over. So is Cena. Punk was getting very over, and they wanted to sustain it. so they put him with HHH before they overkilled the cena/Punk.

It's NOT about him and Johnny Ace. It's about the whole story. No, the entire fucking show isn't about Punk, but it shouldn't be, it's a STORY.

HHH didn't kill shit in 2002, he built Raw. Randy Orton is a 9 time champion, Booker T probably could have had a run in 2002, that's the only one I'll give you.

there isn't a conspiracy. WWE is a business, they run their company like a business. Wrestlers are products. Study marketing and how to push a product and you'll understand a LOT more about the WWE and you won't look like such an idiot with your "HHH IZ HOGGIN TEH SPOTLITE TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD"

First off, you said "belittle him as a face, not a heel". Yea, because HHH cares whether or not Punk is a heel or a face when he says mean things. It's pro wrestling dude, HHH knows it's a work.

The focus hasn't been on HHH. the focus has been on the STORY as a whole. Which it should. Punk is involved in the most heavily promoted angle on the show. What would you have Punk do? Something stupid like win the title and hold it for a year to "build credibility" or some shit like that? Being interesting gets you over, not fake wins.

YOU just think that's what the show and feud is about because you are defensive. However, WWE knows more than you.

FACT is that Punk is more over now than he was a month ago. He's over in ALL cities with ALL audience members, not just in Chicago and the east coast, not just with smarks, he's over with everyone everywhere. If HHH was trying to bury Punk, he did a shitty job.

 

[Larry]

I think anyone speaking outside of some kind of bias and being honest, knows and will state that said topic is not the case. Triple H is arguably the most over guy in the WWE and needs no one to be there, he already is. I think it's been noted well enough by some of the senior members of the site that in reality, what you have on your hands is Triple H trying to help everyone else get over, Miz and R-Truth specifically.

He already helped to put over Punk at HIAC. Just being in there with him is him putting you over because that's the discrete way of showing that you are even on his level, no matter what the outcome is. Triple H doesn't have to wrestle anyone, or make them look even remotely competitive in doing so, the man doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He's been instrumental in trying to make this whole thing work.

Everyone is entitled to posing their own questions, but I have to admit that these kinds of things where people are trying to accuse Triple H of things that just aren't true has grown very old. I personally think it makes a lot of people look bad too because they can't seem to read between the lines and make ridiculous arguments, basically forming their own conspiracy theories.

 

[Clem]

It didn't occur to me until last night but Triple H is getting really old.

He was kinda flabby, his hair was thin, strikes me as the beginning of a very noticable decline.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was trying to ride Punk's coattails.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Yeah well one of those cases of whose rubbing who. One on hand is the hottest thing in wrestling in Punk and another a legend returning to weekly tv in Hunter. I don't think having a program with Hunter is a step down for Punk. It is THE storyline at the moment, well, second to STorm/TNA Champ for some time; but Hunter is a smart man and knows that Punk vs Stooge was a great way to make him look more of a rebel. But this has taken a lotta twists and turns now. Wish it had a slow burn resulting in a HHH vs Punk at WM.

 

[Headman]

I can't stand that whole "Triple H buried Booker" or "Triple H buried RVD". The truth is... Booker got to wrestle a world title match at Wrestlemania against one of the biggest stars in the history of the WWE. RVD went from a midcarder to a main eventer and headlined a ppv against Triple H. Both men's careers were better after their feuds with Hunter than before. If you don't see that. If you can't see how wrestling in main events is better than wrestling on the mid card, then you are just too stupid to be helped.

 

[berlinbrawler]

This is exactly that sort of thing that bothers me about the IWC. People suspect ulterior motifs for everything the powers that be in the WWE do. Triple H inserts himself in a program with Punk - this must mean he is jealous of Punk's momentum and wants to get that momentum for himself! So he books himself into a program with Punk and slowly sabotages him and steals his thunder. BWAHAHAHA!
You need to realize that while there are indeed some big egos backstage they are aware that they are a business, and what it comes down to is that they will do what they figure is right for business. That's what they do. They are not 12 year old boys with personal vendettas.

 

[strongbad]

I'm not sure if Triple H used Punk to get over, but after last night's Raw, I'm beginning to suspect it.

He couldn't job the match to Miz/Truth, and had Punk take the pinfall. This was after the Nash interference.

Then on Raw, he starts off the show, after a PPV where Cena gets screwed for the WWE Title, to complain about his match and Kevin Nash. That entire segment was 30 minutes long, and did nothing to promote any new stars, only himself and Kevin Nash.

If this guy is so over, why the 30 minutes reserved for himself? He's over without the need for a half-hour segment. He can still wrestle and talk, but he doesn't need to be the focus. Watching him is getting tiresome and I am quickly losing interest in this product.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

This is black and white - HHH doesn't need anyone to help him get over again. He's about as over as a guy can get, especially with the shit he takes from the IWC.

I won't say Punk needed HHH to get over, because he didn't. He was fine before Hunter came back.

Did HHH need Punk? No, but it was a storyline ready for him to enter, and helped his return. He needed something to do, and added a lot to the storyline. If HHH hadn't come back when he did, who would Punk have feuded with? Someone no one gives a shit about, most likely.

 

[alexikosalov]

Everyone needs to listen to the genius DMAN and rest of smart people in this thread. HHH is not spotlight hog. He HELPED CM PUNK GET OVER by pinning him on PPV. He HELPED GET MIZ AND TRUTH OVER by teaming with Punk and letting Punk get pinned. How stupid can people be to not see how much HHH is helping the young guys here? Now he's helping Nash get over. HHH is a god damned saint who just wants to help people.