Did HHH Use CM Punk To Get Himself Over Again?

[mikde_]

Right so Triple H will always be over with the fans but what i mean is did Triple H use CM Punks momentum and heat to put himself back on top of WWE Programming with the spotlight firmly on him?

It all started with Punks now infamous shoot and the weeks following that he turned into the hottest commodity in wrestling and was getting huge reactions every week. Then Triple H turned back up on TV and into a programme with punk. The weeks passed and Punk's momentum has slowed down and nobody is no longer talking about Punk after RAW anymore...They are mostly talking about Triple H.

Granted, Punk is still over and is only just on his way to being the top guy so im not saying they have buried punk at all. But yeah....Do you think Triple H used CM Punk to take back the spotlight?

 

[ABMorales787]

It's called shaking the status-quo. And it's been the norm on Raw lately by giving new things to talk about before others get too old. The light was first on The Rock, then Cena, Punk, HHH, Nash, back to HHH and Miz/Truth may be looming. There's nothing wrong with it and it's far better than talking about the same thing a full year and get bored with it.

 

[D-Man]

Come on, guys. It's obvious that HHH is being used to completely re-elevate R-Truth and the Miz again. We all know that Miz and Truth have lost major momentum, as of late. And you must be blind if you thought that HHH ever came out of the spotlight, let alone using Punk to get back INTO it. So HHH is using his momentum to team up with Punk at Vengeance and re-push Miz and Truth.

 

[WunNightStan619]

HHH does NOT need to get put over another day in his career. He will always be over. He has the liberty to do whatever he wants, because he has the crowd in the palm of his hand. I think its only right he be involved in the CM Punk story, simply because it makes sense to have two of the most over and entertaining guys in the WWE go at it. it makes for a very interesting storyline, AND he's putting the Miz and Truth over in the process

 

[alexikosalov]

Yes, of course. CM Punk went from hottest thing in pro wrestling to casually re-positioned back behind John Cena and HHH upon HHH's return.

Punk created outsider gimmick for himself and WWE handed it over to Miz and Truth.

CM Punk not ready to be face of WWE. HHH said so himself on RAW when he pointed to roaring crowd and told Punk if he wanted to "make it in this business" he needed to get over with them first. HHH said as much when he called Punk "skinny-fat" twice in front of everybody. Good guys don't do that. But HHH does. Because HHH cannot handle anyone he thinks shouldn't be over, getting over. HHH saw Punk getting over and couldn't take it, so he had to come back and beat him in the ring, and take his spotlight.

Personal ego is only logical explanation for taking a hard left once Punk lit the world on fire. How dare "skinny-fat", junked up tattooed, loud-mouthed punk from the Indy's aka the total opposite of HHH, become face of the WWE. HHH will never let that happen.

 

[The Future Rises]

Not really. Punk and Trips weren't even supposed to face off in the first place but Kevin Nash, who was about put Punk over in a match, apparently couldn't wrestle Punk due to health issues.

So Triple H and Punk faced off at Night Of Champion where Triple H was actually the one that put over Punk with Punk kicking out of multiple Pedigrees and losing due to outside interference by Miz and Truth.

Sure, the main storyline right now is Triple H but that doesn't mean Punk has lost any credibility. As long as Punk still gets a pop of the night candidate he's fine.

 

[D-Man]

Yes, of course. CM Punk went from hottest thing in pro wrestling to casually re-positioned back behind John Cena and HHH upon HHH's return.

Punk created outsider gimmick for himself and WWE handed it over to Miz and Truth.

CM Punk not ready to be face of WWE. HHH said so himself on RAW when he pointed to roaring crowd and told Punk if he wanted to "make it in this business" he needed to get over with them first. HHH said as much when he called Punk "skinny-fat" twice in front of everybody. Good guys don't do that. But HHH does. Because HHH cannot handle anyone he thinks shouldn't be over, getting over. HHH saw Punk getting over and couldn't take it, so he had to come back and beat him in the ring, and take his spotlight.

Personal ego is only logical explanation for taking a hard left once Punk lit the world on fire. How dare "skinny-fat", junked up tattooed, loud-mouthed punk from the Indy's aka the total opposite of HHH, become face of the WWE. HHH will never let that happen.

Every single line of bullshit that was just spewed in this post leads us all to believe that you find promos to be real-life shooting. Newsflash, pal... promos are as real as the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Lochness fucking monster. Do you honestly think HHH was speaking off the top of his head? Do you think those were his 100% true feelings? There might have been a slight bit of realism in there but it was all mixed into an otherwise brilliant promo with CM Punk designed to make you enthralled by and relate to the storyline and to pacify ignorant viewers like you who constantly believe that he's really trying to hog the spotlight. Guess what? They nabbed you, hook, line, and sinker.

It's so laughable when watchers get fooled by the pre-written promos that are cut on television. And I'm happy that the WWE and its wrestlers are doing such a great job of bringing this level of believability to the programming again. Kudos.

 

[MMK]

Yes, of course. CM Punk went from hottest thing in pro wrestling to casually re-positioned back behind John Cena and HHH upon HHH's return.

Punk created outsider gimmick for himself and WWE handed it over to Miz and Truth.


Personal ego is only logical explanation for taking a hard left once Punk lit the world on fire. How dare "skinny-fat", junked up tattooed, loud-mouthed punk from the Indy's aka the total opposite of HHH, become face of the WWE. HHH will never let that happen.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

For the first time in a long time I actually became a regular RAW viewer this past Summer when Punk started to gain momentum. But HGH came back immediately to convulate things and steal the spotlight. I've since stopped watching but I come on here to read whats going on and it appears it's back to being the Triple H show. I also read now that Vince mcmahon is back! Yeah it's all about the McMahon family again! The only time I was ever interested in the McMahon family, including HGH, was when they were getting sprayed with beer by Steve Austin. Theres NO reason for any mcmahon to be on screen ever again. Especially HGH. He is the single most boring overrated performer in the history of the business. Why the majority of fans worship and bow down to him is beyond me.

Punks just another smiley babyface now. He never should have come back after MITB. Imagine ending your WWE career on that high of a note. What a way to go out. He should have actually shook things up by doing what he said he was going to do and go to ROH or something. Really shake the wrestling industry up. The wrestling business needed a major shake up alot more than it needed another smiley babyface for WWE.

I have no doubt that his push will return early next year. He'll probably win the Rumble and go to Mania. But it will be a watered down WWE version of Punk. It wont be the guy who cut that scathing promo back in the summer. It'll be the smiley Punk who's buddies with HGH and Cena. And that is not a character I'm interested in watching.

 

[xavyer]

Triple H does not need CM Punk's momentum to get himself over,he's at the point that no matter what he does people will cheer for him,he has done everything there is to do in this business,i agree with some of you,i think he's doing this to put the miz and r truth over again,and besides,i don't think that he's back in the ring full time anyway,so it makes sence that he is doing this to put people over,not to put himself over trough cm punk........

 

[stefankingston]

MMK: If Punk didn't re-sign with WWE in the last minute he wouldn't even started this angle. Don't been think about the WWE title to ROH this is bullshit. Maybe I got you wrong, but if he doesn't re-sign he's definitely going to lose and his career doesn't end in a "high note"

 

[Nada]

I dont want to sound like a broken record but just because something has been said for 10 years now, if its the absolute truth then it needs to be said again.

The entire show has lately been about making Triple H look good, whether Sheamus is admitting he kicked his "arse" or wrestlers being made fun of by Hunter. The segments with Hunter are very long and he is pretty much more featured now on Raw than even Cena is.

The whole thing went off the rails, i was personally dead certain that Hunter would turn heel with the whole Nash bussiness, and lead his own "Corporate" stable, with guys like Cody Rhodes or Ziggler working under him. All leading up to a match at WM28 against Punk where the Punk vs Corporate WWE ends. This practically wrote itself, Punk would become the rebelious face and beat Hunter at the end thus ending the story.

What Punk said in his first "shoot" (which wasent a real shoot but you get the point) was 100% what every wrestling fan has been thinking. What Punk said this Raw and the last few have been very much detached from reality. He has now become a "character" rather than being himself. It just does not sound like he is saying what the fans are thinking. After beating Punk at a PPV (which is a whole another problem) we are suppose to believe this 13 time World Champion, married to the bosses daughter and is one of the higher ups in the WWE is suppose to be the "underdog" in this entire story??

To quote the Miz, really? Really? Him cracking jokes that the Hollywood writes wrote about other wrestlers usually heels, just comes across as lame.

 

[alexikosalov]

Every single line of bullshit that was just spewed in this post leads us all to believe that you find promos to be real-life shooting.

Interesting. Your choice of words - "us all". You need others to rally behind you to feel good about yourself. You cannot grasp my thought so it must also be unable to be understood by everyone.

Newsflash, pal... promos are as real as the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Lochness fucking monster. Do you honestly think HHH was speaking off the top of his head? Do you think those were his 100% true feelings?

I think what I wrote. That's why I wrote it. Why else would I write it? Do you normally annoy other posters with this kind of unstable behavior? Quoting their posts and asking them if they really mean it?

There might have been a slight bit of realism in there

See, we can agree.

but it was all mixed into an otherwise brilliant promo

That's your opinion. And one you are clearly ready to defend.

with CM Punk designed to make you enthralled by and relate to the storyline

You were "enthralled" by CM Punk and somehow found a way to connect yourself and your life to the storyline. Good for you. That doesn't make you better than anyone who didn't. Maybe you can make another t-shirt for your baseball team since you feel so connected to something in pro wrestling again. Maybe if you wear the shirt, you will feel like an actual wrestler.

and to pacify ignorant viewers like you who constantly believe that he's really trying to hog the spotlight.

Because I am not also "enthralled" by this story, I am stupid. And you and everyone you speak for is smart.

Guess what? They nabbed you, hook, line, and sinker.It's so laughable when watchers get fooled by the pre-written promos that are cut on television.

This comment would suggest they wanted me to think HHH the character really feels that way about CM Punk in the story. They want me, the viewer, to think that HHH, the top face in the WWE right now, really thinks the other top face is a "skinny-fat", junked up tattooed Indy nobody who isn't over with the crowds. Cause that's exactly what he said. You want me to believe that is a "pre-written promo" designed to "enthrall" me with CM Punk and help him get over as a face. No, I do not believe that at all.

It's so laughable when watchers get fooled by the pre-written promos that are cut on television. And I'm happy that the WWE and its wrestlers are doing such a great job of bringing this level of believability to the programming again. Kudos.

I am no more bothered by your laughter at me as I would be by a baby laughing at a pinwheel above it's head.

 

[D-Man]

Interesting. Your choice of words - "us all". You need others to rally behind you to feel good about yourself. You cannot grasp my thought so it must also be unable to be understood by everyone.

If I needed people to rally behind me, I would've asked for some type of reinforcement. I merely used two words whose context you're twisting to make yourself sound even slightly intelligent. Too bad it's not working.

I think what I wrote. That's why I wrote it. Why else would I write it? Do you normally annoy other posters with this kind of unstable behavior? Quoting their posts and asking them if they really mean it?

I wasn't sure if you're idiocy was deliberate or not. Now I know it wasn't. My mistake.

That's your opinion. And one you are clearly ready to defend.

So, what you're saying is that it's merely "my opinion" that pro-wrestling is scripted and fake? Are you 8 years old and stuck in the 1980's or something?

You were "enthralled" by CM Punk and somehow found a way to connect yourself and your life to the storyline. Good for you. That doesn't make you better than anyone who didn't. Maybe you can make another t-shirt for your baseball team since you feel so connected to something in pro wrestling again. Maybe if you wear the shirt, you will feel like an actual wrestler.

At least I'm aware of the fact that pro-wrestling is a scripted television show. Maybe I should print that on a T-shirt and mail it to you as a Christmas present, since you probably need proof to believe that Santa Claus isn't real, either.

Because I am not also "enthralled" by this story, I am stupid. And you and everyone you speak for is smart.

No, you're stupid because you actually think a pro-wrestling storyline is real. I think you get my point by now since I've said it three times in this post alone.

This comment would suggest they wanted me to think HHH the character really feels that way about CM Punk in the story. They want me, the viewer, to think that HHH, the top face in the WWE right now, really thinks the other top face is a "skinny-fat", junked up tattooed Indy nobody who isn't over with the crowds. Cause that's exactly what he said. You want me to believe that is a "pre-written promo" designed to "enthrall" me with CM Punk and help him get over as a face. No, I do not believe that at all.

Precisely. Welcome to the conversation, Einstein.

I am no more bothered by your laughter at me as I would be by a baby laughing at a pinwheel above it's head.

Do us all a favor and come back when you find a shred of intelligence in your Easter eggs (after the Easter bunny drops them off, of course.)

 

[H33LTurn]

Ugh, here we go again with the whole Triple H is a powerhungry egoaniac conspiracy theory. Maybe, him being on TV is a good thing for business. Maybe he needs to be over since he's going to be involved in the WWE for a while now in a spot that he earned since hes been working hard before he even started dating Stephanie. And finally, maybe after wrestling your precious little internet darling, CM Punk, some of you actually started to believe the BS Punk said about Triple H and therefore they had to put him on the same page as Punk to prevent him from losing some support.

 

[slice_of_life]

I don't care. He is an egotistical asshole who should hang em up if he is going to hang em up. The last 8 years of his career were a joke. WWE fans get blinded by his "greatness" when all that really happened was Vince let his son in law headline every ppv and win every match. I'm sick of him. I hate watching him on RAW. He is taking prime time spots away from people who should be getting pushed.

 

[badnewzxl]

Yes; HHH DID use Punk to get himself over again; it's obvious. Once everyone realized he couldn't trump Punk, they decided to have them form some mutual respect (which honestly hurt Punk a bit). Hopefully we'll get a swerve that puts Punk and HHH on opposite sides again; I think it's the only way to truly reach the potential of this whole thing. Punk has lost considerable momentum over the past month; HE needs it back. HHH needs to get off tv, dammitt.

 

[BestInCanada20]

Really? This is a post? First off Triple H doesn't need anyone to get himself over, he's one of the biggest stars the WWE has to offer! The only ppl getting over from all this are The Miz and R-Truth this will help establish them as main eventers even more so, hence why they've taken the place of CM Punk who got over on his own.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

C'mon children...are you really that short sighted? Can you really not see what's happening here or where this could lead?

The Miz & R-Truth have a prominent role in this big angle. They've been out of the general spotlight for a little while and their involvement in this storyline with Triple H is a good way to elevate them to a more prominent spot. I'd say that Miz & Truth will come out with a win over Trips & Punk at the ppv and they'll probably wind up being part of a much healthier tag team picture. Within another year or so, maybe less, Miz will probably be right back in the World Championship picture either on Raw or SD!.

As for CM Punk, he's STILL the most talked about guy in wrestling. I dunno where you've been for the past 4 or 5 months but the buzz about him is still out there. Punk was FINALLY elevated to that next level and did it in a big way. Triple H doesn't need Punk to get himself over, he's already over and he's going to stay that way. Punk merely being associated with Triple H the way he's been has only further established his foundation as a major league player going forward. He's scheduled to begin a feud with Alberto Del Rio according to reports and 2012 looks to be his year based on all those reports. Punk's making a lotta money for WWE right now and, surprise surprise, the brass likes that. If Punk had lost clean to Triple H at NOC and went to feuding with Dolph Ziggler or Kofi Kingston, then there'd be something to complain about that you could sink your teeth into.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

And the IWC wonders why they are not the majority of Fans the WWE listens to.

Look this whole thing about Triple H only wanting to put himself over or being power hungry is really OLD by now. HHH has been over since his DX days,long before he ever married into the Mcmahon Family. So shut up already about it,nobody cares anymore.

CM Punk's momentum has not be stalled in the least bit. He was in the Main Event (once again) on RAW this week,will Team with HHH at Vengeance,will probably be involved in Survivor Series and pushed to the moon some more by 2012.

So stop with the whole oh HHH used CM Punk to get himself over crap.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

HHH doesn't need CM Punk to be elevated into a top program, any time he comes back from a hiatus he does it with ease and for good reason, HHH is a legend and is over with the crowd no matter what at this point in his career.

HHH is being used to elevate Punk, R-Truth, The Miz and anyone else HHH will feud (or have problems) with in the future as COO. If anything HHH is being used to get others over not the other way around.

 

[gamma2008]

I think it's the opposite. Triple H will put Punk over, because this will put Triple H against Johnny Ace, VKM, and a lot of other suits.

It's simple: Johnny Ace has already demonstrated that he's going to be a complete ass as the interim Raw GM by throwing Morrison to the wolves, firing JR, and reinstating the Miz and R Truth. Triple H and Punk will both hate what's being done, and fight back for change. Seriously, I need to find the post because I called this right after SummerSlam. Both are fighting for the fans in their current characters. Let's remember, as we complain about Punk's character change, that his big "shoot" also included him insulting everyone who cheered him on for being hypocrites. He was supposed to be a heel during all of this but his promo garnered such attention that, well, I dunno what he was from Money in the Bank to SummerSlam. Now he's a fully fledged face, and the character needs time to develop properly.

Wait and see, I think this will go well.

 

[XXJJ]

Punk MITB match and the build up was epic. But when you do something that involves a lot of shock value it will eventually wear off. Thats what happened to Punk.

When he announced that he resigned that killed a lot of the intrigue about his character. And Nash killed some of his momentum. When Nash powerbomb Punk at SS, a lot of people cheered. Some of the bandwagon fans jumped on Nash side.

I agree that Raw seems to have become Triple H show. You could see it coming... everything around the whole "conspiracy" angle for the last month as been centered around Triple H not Punk. Triple H is out popping Punk so I am not against them focusing on Triple H.

And I do think it is good for Punk that he stays involved with the big names. If you notice some of Punk Raw matches, against Miz (before he got fired) and Del Rio have had little crowd reaction. Punk is over but I dont think he is that over where he can carry a brand. Being involved with angles with the bigger names is good for Punk.

 

[willross]

Yes, of course. CM Punk went from hottest thing in pro wrestling to casually re-positioned back behind John Cena and HHH upon HHH's return.

Punk created outsider gimmick for himself and WWE handed it over to Miz and Truth.

CM Punk not ready to be face of WWE. HHH said so himself on RAW when he pointed to roaring crowd and told Punk if he wanted to "make it in this business" he needed to get over with them first. HHH said as much when he called Punk "skinny-fat" twice in front of everybody. Good guys don't do that. But HHH does. Because HHH cannot handle anyone he thinks shouldn't be over, getting over. HHH saw Punk getting over and couldn't take it, so he had to come back and beat him in the ring, and take his spotlight.

Personal ego is only logical explanation for taking a hard left once Punk lit the world on fire. How dare "skinny-fat", junked up tattooed, loud-mouthed punk from the Indy's aka the total opposite of HHH, become face of the WWE. HHH will never let that happen.

Dude, how do u figure Punk is behind Cena and HHH? He has main evented 4 straight PPV's!!! He gets significantly more TV time then Cena does (last RAW being a perfect example of that). Just because he is not the WWE Champion or even in a WWE Championship match doesn't mean he isn't being treated like a top guy. He is teamming with a Legend and is a central figure in the biggest, most popular angle in wrestling today. If that is taking a backseat, then damn I would never call SHOTGUN again.

Yes, HHH won the match against Punk, BUT, Punk also took 3 pedigrees and a Jacknife before losing. HHH is the most over guy in the business, his reaction every week says it all. Punk is the next most popular in general which is why he is getting the spot with HHH as the guys defending against the New Outsiders.

You guys do not see the big picture I guess. Punk is getting Cena TV time for the last 4 months or so. Cena was in the opening seg only this past week, figure it would make you guys happy seeing Punk get so much TV time, but haters gonna hate regardless

 

[fenfool]

Yeah, HHH was out of the picture...then Punk pulls off what he did, getting attention re-focused on WWE, and suddenly HHH is thrust into the spotlight. He's started off just about every RAW since...Punk has been doing fine, but is nothing like the character that gave that promo. Del Rio has the title, but he seems to be taking a back seat to everyone...I don't know, maybe WWE thinks that HHH is the only one who could sustain what Punk started. But he really didn't to be the focus of the show for so long.

 

[1TheRockHHH]

Triple h did not use punk to get himself over if anything HHH helped punk get over.I mean he let punk basically insult him and his wife had punk not done that no one would of care about cm punk's "pipebombs"