Did HHH Use CM Punk To Get Himself Over Again?

[Headman]

If this guy is so over, why the 30 minutes reserved for himself? He's over without the need for a half-hour segment. He can still wrestle and talk, but he doesn't need to be the focus. Watching him is getting tiresome and I am quickly losing interest in this product.

You sir are absolutely right! Why not cut the tv time for the guys who are over with the fans and give more tv time to people who aren't over so they can bore everyone into changing the channel. After all, isn't that how television works?

Seriously though, the biggest stars should be the focus of the show. If it wasn't him it would be Cena and people would still be mad.

 

[strongbad]

You sir are absolutely right! Why not cut the tv time for the guys who are over with the fans and give more tv time to people who aren't over so they can bore everyone into changing the channel. After all, isn't that how television works?

Seriously though, the biggest stars should be the focus of the show. If it wasn't him it would be Cena and people would still be mad.

Where did I say cut TV time for everyone that's over? I said cut it for Triple H. I guess you that's the model for building new stars right, keep pushing the old ones with long drawn out promos and events. Bring back his friends while you're at it and make it a 90s reunion tour.

 

[Headman]

Where did I say cut TV time for everyone that's over? I said cut it for Triple H. I guess you that's the model for building new stars right, keep pushing the old ones with long drawn out promos and events. Bring back his friends while you're at it and make it a 90s reunion tour.

You actually did say that with your "If he's so over why does he need tv time" comment. The over guys don't need tv time, the tv show needs people who are over. I subscribe to the model of using established guys like Triple H work programs with up and comers to give them the rub so that one day they will be able to stand out there cutting 30 minute promos that draw more viewers than the younger guys do with their matches. Personally I don't think a promo needs to be all that long, and would rather see a good match over a talking segment, but if it puts over the storyline then it is the right thing to do. And if Triple H can hold an audience with a mic or a pedigree then he deserves every bit of tv time he gets.

 

[jaceynightheat]

He sure did. I don't see the point of Triple H coming back just to beat CM Punk. Punk is the future & Triple H is the past. Does Triple H have some good matches left? He sure does but it should be more about helping the WWE than his own ego.

This whole story line should have been about Punk, Miz & Truth. But it's more about Triple H & Diesel.

I like both H & Diesel too.

I was hoping for Punk, Miz & Truth to become a new outsiders/original nWo/dx type thing of being outsiders. But I'm sure we'll see a DX reunion soon.

Because nothing says rebeling against "the man" than HBK - Mr. WWE & Hall of Famers with Triple H - who's character is "the man" & married to the bosses daughter.

Miz, Punk & Truth should be put at the top. Miz's promo at Mania with "Hate me Now" was amazing, that should be his theme.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

I think from a storyline perspective, it was counter protective to make Punk the rebel who hates the way WWE is set up bitches about the way the company is run only to have him
1) Lose to Triple H and
2) Join forces with Triple H
It just doesn't lead up to a conclusion that really makes sense to me. I agree with jaceynightheat, Miz and Truth are really great and if they joined forces with Punk it could've been very entertaining.

 

[Headman]

I think from a storyline perspective, it was counter protective to make Punk the rebel who hates the way WWE is set up bitches about the way the company is run only to have him
1) Lose to Triple H and
2) Join forces with Triple H
It just doesn't lead up to a conclusion that really makes sense to me. I agree with jaceynightheat, Miz and Truth are really great and if they joined forces with Punk it could've been very entertaining.

I'll agree with you there. I didn't like Punk's booking following Summer Slam at all, but I don't think it was intentional. I just think creative wasn't on their game with this one.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

"lose to HHH"? Yea, he took 2 pedigrees and a jackhammer. Punk looked GREAT after being against HHH.

Also, HHH is a huge face, if you do face vs face, the more over face generally stays more over. HHH was more over. So after a great fight where Punk earned HHH's respect and Punk realized that HHH wasn't behind it, Punk is more over.

The question of "if HHH is so over, why does he need so much TV time" is stupid. You USE guys who are very over to get OTHER guys over.

Punk had a feud with the 1 and 2 most over guys on Raw. This made Punk more relevant. You can do all the awesome shit you want, but if you're not with another huge star, people don't see it in the same light.

Cena and HHH elevated everything Punk was doing and made it more relevant to the viewers. More people watch HHH and Cena segments, more people are more into Cena and HHH segments, thus, more people were into Punk segments and they saw everything he was doing.

It's not that fuckin hard to figure out if you get your head out of your ass and stop thinking like a mark and stop thinking HHH needs to get himself over.

Here's what happened. HHH was very over before, he's very over now (no change), Punk was pretty over before, but he's VERY over now.

So my question is, if HHH's plan was to bury Punk and get himself over, he did a pretty shitty job at it didn't he? Also, why are you upset if you're a Punk fan? He's more over than before, that's good for him. He doesn't have the strap, but the strap is meaningless if you aren't over.

You guys need to stop thinking from a selfish perspective. YOU think that HHH is an evil bastard and thus, Punk, going against the "WWE ass kissers" shouldn't side with HHH. However, to most of the WWE audience, HHH is a blue collar badass who loves to beat the shit out of people. They relate to HHH the blue collar ass kicker. They didn't really relate to the smarmy whiny Punk (smarks did). So, Punk is less smarmy, more blue collar and wants to fight more, he's somewhat (they aren't buddies, more like the enemy of my enemy is my friend) sided with HHH. HHH is a good guy, Punk is a good guy, this is how pro wrestling works. Most people aren't smarks so you can't book from a smark perspective.

Obviously what WWE did with Punk was the right choice because he's more over now than he was 2 months ago (and with a broader audience).


I really don't understand the complaints. Punk is one of the most over babyfaces on the roster and is in a title feud. Isn't that what you want? If after HHH vs Punk, Punk is less over and is back in a feud with Swagger, then I see the HHH heat. However, HHH put Punk over in virtually every other way except jobbing to him (which doesn't matter anyways). Punk is more over now than before and he's in a title feud that he'll likely win. What more do you want? You want WWE to look at your (general IWC) shitty booking ideas and use those?

 

[sajsSAMynwa1892]

simple answer - YES.
hhh didnt need to but he did plain and simple, thats why were going to watch a boring hhh v nash survivor series nash. i dont hate seein hhh on tv or as a wrestler but there is little doubt that he is the only person who has so far benefitted from the summers angles, oh aside from johnny ace that is...

 

[Daps277]

Like most of you already pointed out Triple H does not need anybody to get over, he is way over with the crowd already, but i gotta agree that kinda killed whatever the momentum CM punk had. As much as you blame triple h for the loss of momentum and making himself the center of attraction i think it was due to other reasons such as punk's hurried return and later screwing up the whole story line also he feud with john cena should have lasted for a lot longer than it did. so the bottomline no triple h didnt use punk to get over, he is at a stage in his career where he doesnt need anybody to get him over, the crowd would cheer him irrespective of who he is working with.

 

[Lockard23]

The phrase "get himself over again" implies he was no longer over, and that was certainly not true at all. He gets a great reaction every time he comes out.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

What happened between Punk and HHH is the same thing that happened between Punk and Orton. You know it was going to be a good match but you also already know the outcome. Punk is gonna lose. If he had lost and said 'fuck you HHH' instead of being his next best friend and teaming up with him, I think the rebel character would make more sense. If he had a return match against HHH and extended it into a a 3 or 4 ppv feud, then maybe that would've worked. If he had no involvement with HHH but instead joined forces with Miz and Truth as rebels against authority it would have been remarkable. Instead he spoke about Cena being an asskisser, wins the belt, loses the belt to DelRio, has a match against HHH, loses the match with HHH and then starts tagging with him.

Miz and Truth were truly portraying rebels. They fought against authority and broke all the rules (before they hooked up with Laurinatis) that Punk supposedly said he would do. The three of them together, would be out of this world. How can I really believe a guy is a rebel against authority when he's palling around with the boss' son in law and the creative advisor to Vince McMahon, HHH ?

I hear this all the time, 'HHH isn't evil'. That maybe so. But he is very political. He's vocal about performers he likes and those he doesn't. Performers he likes or his Kliq like, move up the ladder, those he doesn't stay down it.

HHH for whatever reason, worked a match against Punk, won the match, and then they became tag partners and lived happily ever after as best pals. It didn't work for me. It looked like a way for Triple H to come back as the centre of attention through Punk.