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DiBiase, what the hell?

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Alright, i didn't see all of RAW due to helping around outside, but when I flipped over to it, DiBiase was in the ring with Orton and they were both arguing. Orton starts to make a bitch out of Ted by shoving him until Ted rebounds off the ropes and smashes into Orton, making the WWE Champ curl up (literally) into the corner. DiBiase had a pissed-off look on his face (though after a bit it was quite laughable), and was pressured by the crowd to attack Orton. But he simply stood there, fist still at his side, pissed-off face fizzling. Orton then RKO'd him.

I understand them wanting to turn Ted face for promotion of The Marine 2, but in my opinion it would've been great for him to beat the living piss out of Orton right there. I then realized that they might be adding tension so come Bragging Rights, he interferes in the Iron Man match in the last minute and screws Orton out of the title.

What do you guys think?
 
You can't rush the face turn process.

They rushed with Randy Orton, with the very quick turn from ultra heel to ultra face in 2004 and look what happened to him. A lot of people blame HHH for what happened to Orton, however, he was turned entirely too quickly as, just the week before his match with Benoit, he was a mega heel.

I think that the fans were shocked by this and Orton, didn't get the response that he needed to get as a face. That's why creative had him buried. If Ted does the same thing. Going from the mega heel, destroying the fabled HBK in a Cell. To battling Orton, the fans will lose interest with him as soon as his program with Orton is over. Maybe even after their first match.

I think that Ted should be slowly built along as a face from week to week. Have him do small battles with Orton each week. Have them disagree each week or argue about something. Then, Ted finally just beats the absolute hell out of him with Cody caught in the middle.

Ted would become a great face and would be a main eventer for some time to come.

That is all.......for now!
 
I think you have a point here i was thinking why they would leave Ted DiaBiase out of a pay per view and put Cody Rhodes in the main event. This may just be the thing that puts Ted over as a face maybe costing him the WWE Championship against John Cena at Bragging Rights
 
if you want to look at it tech they had already started the process in turning Ted face if i recall months back when Orton was feuding with Triple H i believe it was at some ppv Ted and Cody were backstage and Ted said he was tired of doing Orton's dirty work or something like that before Orton showed up plus last week with Ted getting the pin over Randy shows they are starting the process of turning him Face honestly i think it would be best to go ahead and start the Ted & Orton feud because people are getting tired of seeing him feud with Cena so Bragging Rights could be where Orton ask for help but Ted refuses or he cost Randy his title

things don't always work out though yeah Orton did bad as face for the time being but it's because Ultra Heel fits orton's character so well i am sure some time in the future they will try Orton on being face again as for ted i think it is time for him to be face
 
This is what's known as a slow-burn face turn- Punk did the same thing, except the other way.

And it pays off. This is how things were done back when WWE was awesome, before everything was rushed so it could fit into the next PPV only two weeks away.

Look at Punk now- In my opinion the best heel in the company (or at least second best to Jericho). All because the 'E didn't rush it. Hopefully they don't bury him, and make him look like he can hold his own against Taker, so they don't ruin him.

But i think this DiBiase thing will have a huge payoff. I think when he turns face, he will be an instant mega-star. And the fans will love him, and completely buy into him.

For the record- i loved what they did on RAW tonight.
 
i was hoping for ted to punch orton right in the grill. but i like how ted is still conflicted. should he turn on orton should he not. of course he's going to eventually...but i like how they're hinting toward it. and when he does turn on orton it'll be that much better because it'll be built up more by then.
 
You can't rush the face turn process

And that sums up my thoughts right away. I love the way they're building this up and it's working. The crowd are getting louder and louder for Dibiase.
I don't expect any interference this Sunday as it's not quite there yet. I'd hope they'll keep building it to the Rumble but unfortunately this shit film will ruin that timeline.
 
I had an idea...
I've been reading rumors of a Ted DiBiase Jr. face turn for several weeks now. What if that was the original plan, but someone in the WWE found out about us knowing this, and so they're teasing it, only to have DiBiase stay heel in the end...holding of the turn for another year at least.
 
If and when Ted does turn heel, I think I speak for everyone when how much we are going to enjoy the ass whooping Orton's going to get! The tension is soo strong now, and I can see interference at Bragging Rights to a degree. I don't know if Ted will cost Orton the title, but he will stare him down I think and cost Orton a fall or something. It's going to happen for sure, but Ted just taking that RKO didn't do a whole hell of a lot for me. The stare down though was good and I ate it up.
 
I believe this is an awesome. It reminded me back how WWF used to do a face turn. Remember how it was with virgil and the million dollar man? for weeks people were screaming for virgil to nail dibiase, but by teasing it for weeks it meant something when he finally nailed him with the belt.it just seems awkward now to see the "slow face turn". Think about how heels have been made faces recently, the dreaded the good ol "back from an injury video" u know the one, where the show the wrestler get hurt, then they play music, show the surgery and then say Coming Soon". The same one we will see on edge in a few months.The WWE has been going the easy route with story telling 4 so long that it seems awkward to see something like last night.
 
Does anyone recall the Batista face turn.......it took months for Batista to turn face after Evolution.......remember HHH faking it was JBL trying to run HHH over in the parking lot only for Batista to find out it was HHH trying to get Batista to go over to Smackdown after his royal rumble win. And who can forget the thumbs up and down, batista bomb to possibly the best wrestler of our generation hhh through the table on RAW...

Ted's turn will be slow, very similar to batista.......the big question here is Ted=mega face SuperStar
Cody Rhodes=what? they will have to come up with something for him because after legacy what will they do with him?

THE KING has spoken.......im not the pope so im not pimpin but i am king and i am malevolent.
 
Anyone else notice the breakup of the Legacy faction is underway? Rhodes is on team Raw for Bragging Rights and fans sense friction between Orton and Dibiase over the pinfall victory from a previous Raw.

Ted Dibiase can hold his own against Orton and comes across as the stronger of the singles wrestler than Rhodes. With Orton intimidating Dibiase and the fans cheering Ted to strike Orton back it looks like Ted Dibiase can become his own leader and go onto greater things in the WWE like a singles title. I am looking forward to his face turn. Thoughts?
 
I believe this is an awesome. It reminded me back how WWF used to do a face turn. Remember how it was with virgil and the million dollar man? for weeks people were screaming for virgil to nail dibiase, but by teasing it for weeks it meant something when he finally nailed him with the belt.it just seems awkward now to see the "slow face turn". Think about how heels have been made faces recently, the dreaded the good ol "back from an injury video" u know the one, where the show the wrestler get hurt, then they play music, show the surgery and then say Coming Soon". The same one we will see on edge in a few months.The WWE has been going the easy route with story telling 4 so long that it seems awkward to see something like last night.

While this was certainly hard to read, you mentioned something very interesting at the beginning of this post.

One of the most successful "slow-turn" face turns I remember ever seeing was Virgil. For years he was the valet/bodyguard of the Million Dollar Man, but it wasn't until the months leading up to his eventual turn that we started seeing him as also being a victim of the MDMs abuse. When that side of the relationship became apparent, people began clamoring for Virgil to stand up and do something about it. The interplay between these two men became almost as important as the matches that they followed.

What was really well done in this turn was the fact that, for the most part, the interaction between Ted and Virgil did not have any effect on Ted's matches. The majority of it took place after the matches, or during locker room interviews. Too often we see the valet/wrestler storylines where the valet continuously makes mistakes that cost the wrestler their matches, ultimately leading to a showdown and a face/heel turn for one or the other. In the case of Virgil/MDM, Virgil did his job quite well, he interfered when he was supposed to, he helped Ted win his matches, and yet he still got abused and treated like garbage. This helped him gain a lot more sympathy with the fans, and did a great job building anticipation for the eventual feud between the two. Unfortunately for Virgil, after the inevitable blowoff to the feud, no one cared anymore. Virgil had built his entire career on working for, then feuding with, the Million Dollar Man. Once the relationship was over, he had nowhere else to go with his character, and we last saw him in the role of background scenery for the NWO.

The reason for this old-school history lesson is simple. It appears that the WWE is (at least possibly) trying to work the "slow-turn" face turn with Ted right now. I just find it interesting that one of the best examples of this method from the past involves Ted Sr. in the role of the heel, and this latest version has Ted Jr. in the role of the emerging face. It illustrates the cyclical nature of the business.

Plus it amuses the hell out of me.
 
dam when u guys gonna get it he wont turn face unless cody does they are a team orton likes ted thats why he gave him choice ted said it him self he did wat he thought orton would do by pinnin him a week ago but orton wants cody and ted to b undr him not above that macth was to show where ted lies and its wit legacy !!!
 
He's def going to turn face after Monday night. Rhodes may join him, then again he may not. He's the dark horse here, but I see good things for him and a future singles title run. The guy looks like he can take Orton. He sure isn't scared of him or at least we thought until last night! But by the looks of it, I'd say Ted is about there and ready to snap on Orton. He may even take Cody out if he doesn't join him.
 
Ya know, the HUGE reaction that Ted got as he was building his anger in the match last night proved a big thing...A face turn for Ted would work well...He is well overdue for a single's push and ready for the big time..The mentoring he got from Randy Orton, one of the best heels in the game right now, has groomed him...Turning on Orton to become a fan favorite would catapult him into stardom...and it looks like they are going to build the turn slowly, keep Ted relenting to Randy, until he gets truly fed up and snaps on him....
 
This is exactly why Randy Orton is the best heel in the WWE bar none. I'm a huge Orton fan and I even wanted Ted to punch him while Ted will be a great face one day he owes much of it to Randy Orton.

Ted's getting a huge rub from Randy, that whole promo-match exchange was textbook on Orton's part he has ring psychology mastered.

Ted just needs to work on his promo work and mannerisms a little more, other than that he has great in ring ability and tons of promise I can't wait for the feud between these two.
 
I like what ifs, so let's play one right now.

Early in the evening on Sunday, Legacy is shown backstage with Cody Rhodes discussing his involvement in the 7v7 match and Orton "bragging" about how it's finally time for him to put away Cena for good. They could belittle Ted again by saying that he is contributing nothing to Legacy and should probably just leave. Ted, again playing the puppet, walks off with Randy and Cody smirking behind his back.

Fast forward-

With two minutes left in the Ironman match at Bragging Rights, Cena and Orton are tied and neither superstar is really able to do anything else to the other. Ted runs down to the ring and gets up behind Orton like he's going to nail Dreamstreet on him, but chooses to attack Cena instead, giving Orton the win and sending Cena to Smackdown.

On Raw the next night, Legacy is in the ring, Orton's bragging again about how he single-handedly sent the fans' hero home. Dibiase interrupts and lets Orton know that he didn't do it alone and that he's right, John Cena is gone from Smackdown and it's time for someone to step up. That someone, oddly enough, is none other than Ted Dibiase.

Now, is this face turn too quick? Maybe, but they've been teasing at this for a few months now, the fans were hot hot hot behind him last night and maybe another instance or two at belittling him and Dibiase would be ready to go.
 
I think if Ted screwed Cena he would get wayyyyy to much heat to even think about becoming a face anytime soon.

This Orton feud if booked properly can be gold and finally we might have a new main event star, funny how Cena, HBK, and HHH can't really create new stars but Orton is already in the process of it.
 
Meh. We all knew the face turn was coming, it was just a matter of when. I am surprised to see so many people getting excited at last night's segment. The slow turn is ok, but for some reason I don't buy what they are selling. While the slow turn can be fun, it can make the actual turn anti-climatic in many ways as it can drag out far longer than it should. If Dibiase doesn't turn face in his next encounter with Orton it may feel dragged out too long and lessen his inaugural "face turn pop".

One thing we haven't seen in a long time is the dramatic instant heel/face turn with the back story provided later via promos. The greatest heel/face turns have been the quick ones, not the drawn out ones. The heel/face turns of The Rock, Austin, Hogan, HHH, HBK were the ones that caused instant confusion or provided instant gratification to the fans. Let's not forget that the drawn out heel/face turns are not the most memorable ones. I would like to once again get an "Oh My God" moment and last night on RAW could have been one of those, yet they chose to go the drawn out route yet again.

While this can be interesting now that I "see" it coming as an eventuality I am losing interest in the actual moment that the turn will occur and I will not "pop" as loudly...it will be more of "It's about time".
 
Ya know, the HUGE reaction that Ted got as he was building his anger in the match last night proved a big thing...A face turn for Ted would work well...He is well overdue for a single's push and ready for the big time..The mentoring he got from Randy Orton, one of the best heels in the game right now, has groomed him...Turning on Orton to become a fan favorite would catapult him into stardom...and it looks like they are going to build the turn slowly, keep Ted relenting to Randy, until he gets truly fed up and snaps on him....

Being a heel is a thankless art indeed, Orton has groomed Dibiase and was gold again last night he is giving Dibiase a great rub.

I like Ted, I really do and I look forward to the feud him and Orton will have. Please creative pleaseeeeee don't mess this up like you always do for once book a feud with massive potential right.
 
Any thoughts to Ted turning on orton this weekend thus leading to them going at it at Survivor Series? Remember no rematch for Orton if he loses.
 
I had an idea...
I've been reading rumors of a Ted DiBiase Jr. face turn for several weeks now. What if that was the original plan, but someone in the WWE found out about us knowing this, and so they're teasing it, only to have DiBiase stay heel in the end...holding of the turn for another year at least.

That's highly probable since I get the feeling from what Miz and Morrison have been saying about who's the Jannety that someone in that company reads these forums.
 
The way I see it is since it is No DQ's and count outs at Bragging Rights in the iron man match, either Cody will come out by himself to interfere and Ted refuses, or Ted "accidentally" hits Orton with a chair, title etc. when he is aiming for Cena, but hopefully Orton wins.

This can lead to Cena Vs. The Undertaker or something on Smackdown! which I could see being a Wrestlemania main event maybe, and then DiBiase Vs. Orton and maybe Rhodes which could also lead to a Wrestlemania match.
 
First off, isn't it an amazing coincidence that there are huge problems now between Randy Orton and Teddy when there is a movie coming out with Teddy in the role of a hero? The ironic coincidences of pro wrestling.

Where as I did not watch Raw last night and nor have I watched about any WWE program for about a month now (simply have been reading the results), I did hear about the Ted and Orton segment last night so I decided to watch it on You Tube.

Let me say that I was VERY impressed with how that segment went down and I was very pleased with the crowd reaction, as well. For Teddy's publicists on the IWC who work for free, I have always been reserved in giving into this hype from everyone because frankly, I haven't seen enough progress of Teddy in terms of character development to give into everyone else's hooplah surrounding him. I wasn't saying he "didn't have potential", but rather "I haven't seem them do enough with him to make that determination.

Last night, they made that much needed connection with the audience. It was an excellent segment and Teddy's facial expressions showing his frustration and anger were right on the money. The only thing the segment could have used would have been a manager for both Orton and Legacy (like yours truly) giving Teddy the evil-eye on the outside of the ring and warning him to control his temper and comply with Orton, or face severe consequences!

But in all seriousness, a very good effort on the part of the E. And I certainly agree with them not making the turn last night, but rather let it build for just a little more.
 

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