Deflate Gate....Really?!?

[Poop Master Flex]

That article provided next to nothing in the case. I'm not even sure you are reading that part of the article properly. If what you believe that part of the article said says what you think it says , wouldn't this part of the story have been much bigger deal in the media?

The dirt is more captivating then the findings, the Superbowl is over so why would it be a big deal at this point? The second the Pats won alot of air was taken out of this whole case, interest waned greatly at that point. Besides, it's not an official ruling, so much has been written about this over the last 2 weeks that maybe they are waiting for an official verdict at this point. All I know is the only real evidence they had was 11 balls were significantly underinflated and now its only 1. If that's the case then they don't have anything on the Pat's and they will be found innocent on this. Truth be told they were going to be found innocent on this anyways, without hard evidence, without any visual aid that shows someone in the Pat's organization deliberately deflated some of those balls they don't have much of a leg to stand on in this case.

Even if the Pat's are tremendous cheaters (which I laugh at) they aren't getting caught on this one, the NFL don't have shit and the only evidence they did have isn't there anymore. Frankly, reading that only 1 ball was significantly underinflated is the only evidence you or anyone else SHOULD need as it was the basis of most arguments, well that and spygate.

 

[Dirk]

Justice4Bakkies

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Tiny gloat.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Bumped with he he and a ha ha.

 

[hatehabsforever]

What a joke! Oh well, they should still easily qualify for the post season with a 12-4 record.

 

[Lee]

Yeah it is a joke that they won the superbowl by cheating.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Yeah it is a joke that they won the superbowl by cheating.

Well they didn't cheatin the Super Bowl but they cheated to get there.

 

[Lee]

Well yeah.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Simply put the NFL did a 3+ month investigation, wrote a 240+ page report and still proved nothing. I'm against the suspension because of that alone. Sure, Brady should've been more cooperative but it still doesn't prove much.

This suspension is pretty much the NFL saying "we don't got anything on Tom but the balls were deflated so let's suspend him to please the media and fans". I think what pisses me off about this whole thing though isn't the fact Brady was suspended but the fact the refs get off. If a ball is 2 pounds under pressure in an AFC title game there is no excuse for the refs not to catch that. I don't like the Brady suspension but it would be easier to swallow if the refs didn't get swept under the rug on this.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

What a joke! Oh well, they should still easily qualify for the post season with a 12-4 record.

First off, one of the games Brady will miss is against Jacksonville, do you really think that's enough for the Jags to beat the Patriots? The other 3 games they could very well lose.

Second, if you think Brady is gonna come back and win out the rest of the season your crazy, they have no defense and that's gonna cost them at least a couple games. Plus Brady isn't the unstoppable all mighty god that Patriot fans think he is.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I'm only sorry Bill Belichick couldn't have been implicated, too.

Coach didn't know anything about Deflate-gate the same way Pete Carroll didn't know Reggie Bush was getting improper benefits at USC.

 

[Akhilleus]

Yeah how the hell is it that Sean Payton got suspended for a year for BountyGate because "He should know what's going on with his team he's the head coach" but yet the great one Bill Belichick who has been caught cheating before, isn't punished for not knowing on what's going on with his team, at the least...we all know he was behind it just as much as Kraft, Brady, and everyone else high up in the Patriots circle.

It really does hurt my heart though to see the great and wonderful perfect Tom Brady who's such a great role model, get his record smeared like that. The good name of Brady being dragged through the mud. Really pains my eyes.

Also love how people were comparing suspensions to things like the Ray Rice situation. First of all it's completely different. This is not a police matter. Yeah when we're talking big picture what Ray Rice did was worse. But this is talking about breaking the rules of the game. Yeah punish Ray Rice for giving a bad image to the league, but let the police handle the rest. This right here is all the NFL's jurisdiction. We're talking about a team who was caught cheating, cheating that helped them get to and win the Super Bowl...cheating that has been going on for as far as we know could have been since 2006 whenever Brady himself helped get it introduced. Add deflated balls and spygate and no wonder why they've been so successful year after year. Brady's great 50 touchdowns don't hold too much weight now that we know he probably was throwing them with no air in the ball.

Also anyone who says that it wouldn't make a difference, has obviously never thrown a football in their life.

They cheated. They're always cheaters. Their records mean nothing to me, their Super Bowls mean absolutely nothing. Bill Belichick should not be allowed to coach in the league.

Doesn't matter because Brady is going to appeal his suspension to the Patriot's biggest fan Roger Goodell, and Roger is going to reduce it to 1-2 games.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Yeah how the hell is it that Sean Payton got suspended for a year for BountyGate because "He should know what's going on with his team he's the head coach" but yet the great one Bill Belichick who has been caught cheating before, isn't punished for not knowing on what's going on with his team, at the least...we all know he was behind it just as much as Kraft, Brady, and everyone else high up in the Patriots circle.

It really does hurt my heart though to see the great and wonderful perfect Tom Brady who's such a great role model, get his record smeared like that. The good name of Brady being dragged through the mud. Really pains my eyes.

Also love how people were comparing suspensions to things like the Ray Rice situation. First of all it's completely different. This is not a police matter. Yeah when we're talking big picture what Ray Rice did was worse. But this is talking about breaking the rules of the game. Yeah punish Ray Rice for giving a bad image to the league, but let the police handle the rest. This right here is all the NFL's jurisdiction. We're talking about a team who was caught cheating, cheating that helped them get to and win the Super Bowl...cheating that has been going on for as far as we know could have been since 2006 whenever Brady himself helped get it introduced. Add deflated balls and spygate and no wonder why they've been so successful year after year. Brady's great 50 touchdowns don't hold too much weight now that we know he probably was throwing them with no air in the ball.

Also anyone who says that it wouldn't make a difference, has obviously never thrown a football in their life.

They cheated. They're always cheaters. Their records mean nothing to me, their Super Bowls mean absolutely nothing. Bill Belichick should not be allowed to coach in the league.

Doesn't matter because Brady is going to appeal his suspension to the Patriot's biggest fan Roger Goodell, and Roger is going to reduce it to 1-2 games.

Bullshit! Brady should be thrown in jail and Giselle should be my compensation in my civil case against Brady for the atrocities he has committed against my people.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I think its funny it took THIS for people come to a consistent opinion that the NFL has no idea what the fuck its doing and has zero consistency to anything.

 

[JGlass]

I think its funny it took THIS for people come to a consistent opinion that the NFL has no idea what the fuck its doing and has zero consistency to anything.

RIGHT? Isolate this from literally all other punishments and it makes perfect sense: a team cheated, they forfeit their top draft pick. A player cheated, he gets suspended for the appropriate amount of games.

But once you start comparing it to other stuff, it starts to become ridiculous. Ray Rice was suspended 2 games for punching his wife. Josh Gordon was suspended a full season for smoking weed. Sean Merryman got suspended 4 games for steroid abuse.

The NFL is a terrible organization. The only reason people put up with their shit is because they put out a great product.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

RIGHT? Isolate this from literally all other punishments and it makes perfect sense: a team cheated, they forfeit their top draft pick. A player cheated, he gets suspended for the appropriate amount of games.

But once you start comparing it to other stuff, it starts to become ridiculous. Ray Rice was suspended 2 games for punching his wife. Josh Gordon was suspended a full season for smoking weed. Sean Merryman got suspended 4 games for steroid abuse.

The NFL is a terrible organization. The only reason people put up with their shit is because they put out a great product.

How about the agreed(by the CBA) top level fine on a team is 500K , so they broke it up into "500k for cheating, 500K for not cooperating" for a 1 million dollar fine. So in the future we can do 15 different 500K fines for crimes, not cooperating, being mean, etc.

also apparently a portion of Brady's suspension was because he didn't fully cooperate, which included surrendering his cell phone to investigators.


SURRENDERING HIS CELL PHONE TO INVESTIGATORS

Just who the MOTHERFUCK do they think they are? Oh, you didn't manage to see a video tape that was sent to your league fucking office, but Brady is punished because he didn't give you his personal cell phone to go through? Are you fucking insane?

Greg Hardy, another fine example. Now the NFL makes go to the filthy business of defending a possible abuser.....but he got convicted, appealed, and then won the appeal. So he isn't convicted of anything.

Even if he WAS, suspension for first time offender is 7 games.


So


NFL suspends him ten games. Because fuck logic, that's why

 

[klunderbunker]

On one hand, I want the four games to stick because the fourth is against Dallas.

On the other hand, I'm having issues feeling sorry for a millionaire being sentenced to spend a month in a mansion with Gisele Bundchen.

On the other hand.......I think I need to see a doctor about having a third hand.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I just hope some day we get a scandal involving the Golden Gate Bridge so there's a chance that they might actually try to be creative with the stupid scandal name. Gategate and Goldengate just don't seem like winners.

Bridgegate. Damn. We're doomed.

 

[Akhilleus]

I just hope some day we get a scandal involving the Golden Gate Bridge so there's a chance that they might actually try to be creative with the stupid scandal name. Gategate and Goldengate just don't seem like winners.

Bridgegate. Damn. We're doomed.

Blame Nixon, it originates from the Watergate scandal.

 

[Megatron]

RIGHT? Isolate this from literally all other punishments and it makes perfect sense: a team cheated, they forfeit their top draft pick. A player cheated, he gets suspended for the appropriate amount of games.

But once you start comparing it to other stuff, it starts to become ridiculous. Ray Rice was suspended 2 games for punching his wife. Josh Gordon was suspended a full season for smoking weed. Sean Merryman got suspended 4 games for steroid abuse.

The NFL is a terrible organization. The only reason people put up with their shit is because they put out a great product.

I'm not one to defend the inconsistency of the NFLs rulings (I'm a Lions fan so they've been under the microscope recently as well with Suh) but Gordon and Merriman were given those punishments as a result of the agreements made in the CBA. Gordon was a repeat offender and after a second (or third, don't really remember) offense it's a year suspension. Is it dumb pot is that big of a suspension? Yeah, probably, but it's what the NFLPA agreed to in the CBA. Same with Merriman (and that happened years ago, the rules may have changed).

Rice was undoubtedly undersuspended, although the backlash at least forced the league to review its DV policy and make some quick/stiffer changes, which explains Hardy's case being more severe in punishment although it happened during the same timeframe IIRC.

Comparing different punishments suspension lengths is an apples to oranges comparison. Drug suspensions are agreed upon by the CBA so it's pretty cut and dry if you fail a drug test you know your punishment (unless you get it overturned like some have). DV cases now have their own protocol to follow (idk if 2 games was the initial length for first time offenders but if it was then thats terrible). League integrity cases such as Deflategate, Spygate, and Bountygate seem to be a case by case basis which allows more flexibility of course but seems to be at least loss of some draft picks and someone getting suspended (although I don't remember anyone getting suspended in Spygate).

Comparing Gordon's suspension length to Rice's or Brady's is a silly exercise because their crimes were all in different categories and should probably be isolated from each other.

 

[Akhilleus]

I love how people are crying though saying that in a court trial the Patriots would be found innocent. First of all you're not found innocent in a court trial, you're found not guilty. And yes if this were in a criminal trial the Patriots would be found not guilty.

However this is not a criminal crime. So if we want to make a comparison to the US Justice System, it would be more in the category of a civil crime. Which all you need to be found guilty is the for the other person to be right 51%. It's the burden of proof. So them crying about the choice of words "More than probable" is a waste of tears. Ask OJ all about this.

So on top of that this isn't even a trial we're talking about. This is the NFL, a private company. The fact that they're being as fair as possible about this is a blessing to the Patriots not a burden.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I love how people are letting their hatred towards the Patriots cloud their judgment regarding the appropriateness of the punishment of Brady and the Patriots. For one thing, there is no categorical proof that Brady personally did anything wrong. Make no mistake about, I am not naive enough to think he was in the dark here. I'm quite certain that he knew exactly what was going on and was a pivotal figure in how it all went down. But there's little to no tangible proof of that. You cannot punish someone based upon presumption and assumption.

Even if there was iron clad proof that he was guilty here, even if they had a videotape showing Brady personally deflating the footballs himself, the punishment is still far too harsh. A quarter of a season for something comparable to what MLB pitchers have been doing for decades, and are likely still continuing to do, it's asinine. I'm not suggesting that Brady and the Patriots should go totally unpunished. A game, probably two, I'd be OK with that. But I don't see MLB pitchers being suspended for forty games for scuffing a baseball (with the longest such suspension in MLB history being ten games). I don't see NHL players lose twenty games for excessively curving the blades of their hockey sticks (a two minute minor penalty).

Not to mention that within the confines of the NFL itself, there should be some logic and consistency to how players get disciplined. And there a guys in the NFL who have done far worse than Brady, and have received lesser punishment. I get it, let's blast the Patriots for being a dynasty for the last decade plus. But in the grand scheme of things, it's illogical and wrong and I relish the opportunity for Brady and his teammates to throw it back in the faces of their naysayers by hoisting the Lombardi trophy again next winter.

 

[Akhilleus]

They can't punish based on assumption and presumption? They do it all the time though....they suspended Greg Hardy before he was even found guilty, and then when Hardy got it overturned they suspended him again.

Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for 6 games and was not even arrested let alone charged.

You people are forgetting that we ARE NOT in a court of law. This is the NFL's own investigation and hearings, they can do whatever they want. No they don't have a smoking gun that places Brady at the scene of the crime, but like you said anyone with common sense knows he was involved and the league isn't going to let them get away with it.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for 6 games and was not even arrested let alone charged.

You people are forgetting that we ARE NOT in a court of law. This is the NFL's own investigation and hearings, they can do whatever they want. No they don't have a smoking gun that places Brady at the scene of the crime, but like you said anyone with common sense knows he was involved and the league isn't going to let them get away with it.

WHich also was horse shit.


Just because they are a private investiagtion doesnt mean they arent subject to criticism.

and the fact they are not a coutr of law only re-enforces how fucking ridiculous it is to ask for peoples cell phones so you can go through them for "evidence" I would have told that league rep to kindly suck my fucking dick in regards to that demand

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I love how people are letting their hatred towards the Patriots cloud their judgment regarding the appropriateness of the punishment of Brady and the Patriots.

Yes, because Pats fans are handling this situation with the utmost grace and understanding.

For one thing, there is no categorical proof that Brady personally did anything wrong.

What is the difference between proof and categorical proof?

Make no mistake about, I am not naive enough to think he was in the dark here. I'm quite certain that he knew exactly what was going on and was a pivotal figure in how it all went down. But there's little to no tangible proof of that. You cannot punish someone based upon presumption and assumption.

Yes, you can. Some stupid people and people who are limited in their abilities can't but I can and so can the NFL apparently. Granted there appears to be some stupid people running the NFL.

Even if there was iron clad proof that he was guilty here, even if they had a videotape showing Brady personally deflating the footballs himself, the punishment is still far too harsh. A quarter of a season for something comparable to what MLB pitchers have been doing for decades, and are likely still continuing to do, it's asinine. I'm not suggesting that Brady and the Patriots should go totally unpunished. A game, probably two, I'd be OK with that. But I don't see MLB pitchers being suspended for forty games for scuffing a baseball (with the longest such suspension in MLB history being ten games). I don't see NHL players lose twenty games for excessively curving the blades of their hockey sticks (a two minute minor penalty).

He got to play in the Super Bowl because of his lies? One or two games does not even begin to compare to missing the Super Bowl. Do you understand what he got away with? He would have missed the Super Bowl if his suspension happened when it should have happened. That one game that you seem to be "OK with" should have been the biggest game of the year. Four early regular season games may not even be enough.

Not to mention that within the confines of the NFL itself, there should be some logic and consistency to how players get disciplined. And there a guys in the NFL who have done far worse than Brady, and have received lesser punishment.

Doesn't change the fact that Brady likes to throw a deflated ball and Pats personnel deflated balls after they were inspected with Brady's knowledge and approval.

I get it, let's blast the Patriots for being a dynasty for the last decade plus. But in the grand scheme of things, it's illogical and wrong and I relish the opportunity for Brady and his teammates to throw it back in the faces of their naysayers by hoisting the Lombardi trophy again next winter.

Yes, Pats fans are handling this with the utmost grace and understanding.