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Deflate Gate....Really?!?

I've seen a ton of people discredit New England's success saying they only got where they were because of cheating, I know you aren't saying that but quite a few are.

All in all it still has to be proven that the balls were tampered with, on top of that, it has to be proven Belichick had any knowledge in regards to it. 11 balls were deflated even though they passed inspection 2 Hours before the game, somewhere in those 2 Hours it has to be visually proven that someone from the Pats organization tampered with the balls so what's the point of shitting on them until they're found guilty?

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it came out Belichick did something to those balls, it really wouldn't but this seems like a real dumb thing for so many people to harp on. All I got to say is if Belichick is guilty, and the refs knew those balls were deflated at half time then the refs punishment should be much more severe than whatever Belichick gets in my eyes.

And those people need to stop. You are correct in saying that they still can't for sure say that the Pats deflated the balls themselves.

This is 'Merica boys, home of innocent until proven guilty, and, apparently, big controversys over deflated footballs.
 
If they didn't take the time to really inspect the balls until halftime, that's a knock at the NFL and their rules concerning the handling of the equipment, not the Patriots, or Brady, or Belichek. If it were such a big deal, they would have taken the time to inspect things in a more timely fashion.

I can hear this whole thing in Bobby Heenan's voice :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
They DID correct it at halftime.


Directly before the pats went on a 28-0 run.

Then why care? They would've won anyways, it wouldn't change a thing, it's getting upset over a technicality. This shouldn't be a big deal, it shouldn't even be a deal, it should be a blip news story and nothing more.

This isn't like the Tanya Harding deal, it's like getting destroyed in Chess and cry foul because you don't remember the pawn getting captured when it was on B4.
 
I think a lot of your opinion on the subject is influenced by your rooting interest. Obviously Pats fan are going to be defensive, while fans of the Pats rivals are going to be up in arms. I'm a Colts fan, I rock Andrew Luck in my avatar, the truth is we lost that game to a superior team, cheating or not.

If they did in fact break the rules, which it appears they did, then they deserve to be punished. I don't think the outcome needs to be questioned, but punishment needs to be handed down. Go ahead and take away that 4th round pick, it isn't like the Patriots are great drafters anyway.
 
Everyone is overlooking that the refs have to approve the balls before the game

But the bigger problem is why the fuck does every controversy have to be a gate of some sort I know why they do it but surely the media can use some creativity and give it an original name
 
Witch hunt stuff right here.


If there is no way to connect Belichek to it, then he is not complicit in it.


Lack of organizational control? Loss of say, half of a draft? I can roll with that. No need to chop peoples arms off though.

They did it to Sean Payton. I still get pissed whenever I think about it.

I hope Belichick doesn't get the same treatment though. This is all so stupid. Great hype for the Super Bowl I guess but man, the social media era just blows every little fucking thing out of proportion.
 
Why not? They were deliberately cheating. If it had an impact on the game is irrelevant.

If they cheated then the fine happens, they lose some Draft picks and it's over with. Nothing worse is going to happen to the Pats, nothing worse should happen and this whole scandal is ridiculous regardless.

The ultimate point of professional sports is to win, the Pats won, simple as that. Teams always try to pull a fast one on the refs, teams bend the rules to their advantage all the time, it's not going to change and people need to accept that it's a part of sports and it always will be.

If Belichick did it the league will find out, he will get punished by the book (which is probably around a 275 thousand dollar fine) and then it's over with.

This shouldn't be a big deal, if people want to whine and bitch about things that ultimately don't matter I guess that's their problem.
 
That happens 2 1/2 hours before the game, and then the balls go back to the team.

Really? thats fucking stupid

Being from Australia i dont really understand it all.I'm assuming that both teams have to play with the same balls so it shouldnt make a difference, but at the same time a team can practice with a certain style of ball during the week and have an advantage.

I have a better question about the whole thing, wouldnt/shouldnt it just be easier if the NFL supplied all the balls for every game? shit like this cant happen if the NFL took care of it
 
People that say that it didn't matter anyway because the Colts got blown out...it's called momentum. It was only a two possession game at halftime. One or two plays that got away from them, and then it just keeps going.

And as it's already been said, they did it against the Baltimore game. And now teams are coming out and saying they noticed it during the regular season too. This would be a scandal in itself alone, but add on SpyGate too, and it really doesn't make the Patriots look too great. Plus there's already been a few teams that have come out and said that they have reasons to believe the Patriots are still doing what they did with Spygate. I don't know if that's true or not, I definitely know the Patriots had a lot of miracle comebacks in the second half of games in the 2013 season, maybe that's just because Billy is great at making adjustments, or maybe it's because they started letting the air out of the balls and using their taped signals.

We can't know for sure, but Patriots fans don't exactly have much room to defend those accusations right now do they? The thing that I love though about Patriots fans...what's the biggest thing the say in defense to spygate? "Oh that happened so long ago, seriously bringing that up again. Let it go." and my personal favorite "Everyone in the league was doing it". And my question for any Patriots' fan who has ever said those words, specifically the latter one is...what is your opinion Barry Bond, Mark McGuire, and Roger Clemens? Should they be Hall of Fames? If no is it because they used steroids? But everyone in the league was doing it right? Okay, then what makes Tom Brady and Bill Belichick a Hall of Famer. Why is it that Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are both not Hall of Famers, but yet Brady and Belichick are considered the greatest of all time in the game of football?

And the even bigger thing with this is that they're not just cheating at the same thing. They got caught cheating at one thing, and now they're getting caught cheating at something entirely different. Is that the only way they can win football games? Even the eligibility stuff that they ran against Baltimore and Indianapolis, I found that dirty and cheap. I understand that it is legal, but I found it very cheap. While I can't say much about that, I very much can talk about the deflated ball incident.

All of this doesn't matter though, because Robert Kraft is going to write a nice fat check. Then they're going to take away a couple draft picks, and we all know how much that hurt the Patriots when they did it after Spygate. Then the Patriots will either win or lose the Super Bowl, the NFL won't say a word about the whole scandal at all, and we'll all just go back to pretending that Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaching minds in the history of the game, and how Tom Brady has three (or four) Super Bowl rings (and how his team cheated to get all of them).
 
Really? thats fucking stupid

Being from Australia i dont really understand it all.

I'm assuming the pressure of the ball gets even more important in Aussie-rules, because it gets hand-punted* so often.

*Don't know the technical term, sowwie.
 
actually its a football because the ball is a foot long.


So, yeah. Its really a foot-long handball.

No I'm talking about in aussie rules its called a handball when a player "hand-punts"(like Dirk said) i was just letting him know what it is
 
For 1) We have absolutely no proof that the Patriots themselves did this. Let's wait until the findings are conclusive.
How do we know that the Colts didn't somehow get a hold of the game balls, or pay a guy to do it?
How do we know the BB or Brady had anything to do with it? What if an equipment manager heard Brady say back in 2011, "I like underinflated balls," and took it upon himself to do it?

For 2) Cheating is everywhere in the NFL.

Some examples of cheating:

A) Eric Mangini and Jimmy Johnson both admitted to taping teams practices, signals, etc. Jimmy Johnson even went as far as saying, "It doesn't help at all." Everyone was told to stop, but BB didn't, and there you have spygate.

B) Mark Schlereth on the "dream team" during the Denver Bronco's Superbowls was caught and fined for rubbing Vaseline all over his body. Were those Superbowls tainted?

C) 49ers, Broncos, Cowboys, and Redskins all got caught tampering with Salary caps at one point or another. Most notably John Elway and Steve Young received an illegal form of pay in order for it to not show on the cap. Just curious, does this taint two HoF quarterbacks?

D) In 2011 in route to a SuperBowl it is well documented that the Giants would fake injuries to slow down the game, and successfully used it to "defend" against the New England Patriots hurry up offense. That's a form of cheating, but does anyone call of the Giant's head?

E) Every single time a team has ever been caught tampering with another teams contracts is a form of cheating. The Jets have been caught multiple times, and most notably Don Shula of the 1972 undefeated Dolphins. The NFL took away the Dolphin's first round draft pick and awarded it directly to the Colts.

F) Two words: Saints, Bountygate.

G) Every single time an Offensive lineman says, "Fuck it. I'll leg whip this guy in order to save a hit on my quarterback, hope I don't get caught, or at worst take a 15 yard penalty and a fine from the NFL." They're cheating. They're deliberately breaking the rules in order to gain an edge.

H) PEDs, Steroids, Adderall, etc are all illegal yet players get 4 game suspensions and we go crazy waiting for them to come back. Seahawks have been caught numerous times in the past 3 years, 12 players on the defensive side of the "Steel curtain" have been caught on steroids during the 1970's yet their lauded as the greatest defense ever to date.

I'm a huge Patriots fan, so I'm CLEARLY biased on saying that I don't believe the Patriots have done anything wrong until conclusive evidence supports this findings via video, sound recordings, or admitting guilt.

Is cheating okay? Absolutely not. But to go as far as saying that it's going to effect the legacy of Brady and Belichick is on the side of the extreme, to call for a DQ of a game is ******ed, to think they're going to suspend out of the SuperBowl is absurd, and the level of scrutiny placed on 2 pounds of pressure is simply asinine.

There's a reason it's only a $25,000 minimum fine because it's not that big of a deal.
 
In Australia you can spray the ball with water before kick off and when a break in play occurs you might see people on the sidelines putting Vaseline on the ball if the Away team is getting possession.
 
That happens 2 1/2 hours before the game, and then the balls go back to the team.

They go back to the team 2 minutes before kickoff.

People that say that it didn't matter anyway because the Colts got blown out...it's called momentum. It was only a two possession game at halftime. One or two plays that got away from them, and then it just keeps going.

The score was 17-7 at halftime. Brady played like shit in the 1st half. Then the 2nd half comes, they destroy them with the inflated balls. No momemtum, just the Colts getting their ass kicked.

And as it's already been said, they did it against the Baltimore game.

Haven´t seen that anywhere. Baltimore bitched about something else that was entirely legal.

And now teams are coming out and saying they noticed it during the regular season too.

As well as other teams and players saying it´s a non-issue. Both sides of the spectrum.

This would be a scandal in itself alone, but add on SpyGate too, and it really doesn't make the Patriots look too great. Plus there's already been a few teams that have come out and said that they have reasons to believe the Patriots are still doing what they did with Spygate. I don't know if that's true or not, I definitely know the Patriots had a lot of miracle comebacks in the second half of games in the 2013 season, maybe that's just because Billy is great at making adjustments, or maybe it's because they started letting the air out of the balls and using their taped signals.

So because of some 2013 comebacks, you speculate that they are "cheating again"? Logic thrown out the window.

We can't know for sure, but Patriots fans don't exactly have much room to defend those accusations right now do they? The thing that I love though about Patriots fans...what's the biggest thing the say in defense to spygate? "Oh that happened so long ago, seriously bringing that up again. Let it go." and my personal favorite "Everyone in the league was doing it". And my question for any Patriots' fan who has ever said those words, specifically the latter one is...what is your opinion Barry Bond, Mark McGuire, and Roger Clemens? Should they be Hall of Fames? If no is it because they used steroids? But everyone in the league was doing it right? Okay, then what makes Tom Brady and Bill Belichick a Hall of Famer. Why is it that Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are both not Hall of Famers, but yet Brady and Belichick are considered the greatest of all time in the game of football?

You´re fucking kidding right? Comparing steroids to stealing signals with a camcorder, which by the way, you can do anyway. Yep, you can steal signals, just not with a camcorder. So it´s not the action, just the use of equipment.

But go ahead and condemn the Patriots when they haven´t found one shred of evidence against them in this case. And question their integrity.

"WE MUST HAVE INTEGRITY IN FOOTBALL! BAN THE PATRIOTS!"

Were was this rhetoric when Ray Rice beat the shit out of his then fiance? Or when Adrian Peterson beat his kid? Or all the sexual assault cases and domestic violence situations during this football year? I can go on and on.

Don´t give me the integrity of the game crap. People still watched after all of that, but this shit sends them over the edge? It has nothing to do with deflation and everything to do with hanging the Patriots.

And the even bigger thing with this is that they're not just cheating at the same thing. They got caught cheating at one thing, and now they're getting caught cheating at something entirely different. Is that the only way they can win football games? Even the eligibility stuff that they ran against Baltimore and Indianapolis, I found that dirty and cheap. I understand that it is legal, but I found it very cheap. While I can't say much about that, I very much can talk about the deflated ball incident.

Again, you have condemned them even when they haven´t found any evidence of them tampering with the football.

And yes, they can win football games by beating the shit out of the Colts 45-7.

NOBODY WANT TO HIT THAT BLOUNT!

All of this doesn't matter though, because Robert Kraft is going to write a nice fat check. Then they're going to take away a couple draft picks, and we all know how much that hurt the Patriots when they did it after Spygate. Then the Patriots will either win or lose the Super Bowl, the NFL won't say a word about the whole scandal at all, and we'll all just go back to pretending that Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaching minds in the history of the game, and how Tom Brady has three (or four) Super Bowl rings (and how his team cheated to get all of them).

"BURN THEM AT THE CROSS! THOSE CHEATERS! BURN THEM AND SHOOT THEM! WE CAN HAVE WOMEN BEATERS AND RAPISTS, BUT NOT ALLEGED CHEATERS!"
 
Defend them how you wish, the simple fact of the matter is they were caught cheating once and now they've been caught cheating in an entirely different way. They have no room to defend their actions, and it at the very least taints their present and past success. Fool us once shame on the, but get caught cheating a second time and that's it.

What's that old saying that is entirely overused with accusations on public figures and celebrities? "Where there's smoke, there's fire". I hate that saying, absolutely hate it, but we can't deny how applicable it is to this situation now can we?

Maybe the first half of that AFC Championship game was the only time ever that the New England Patriots had used deflated balls. And maybe something else did happen along the lines that made all 11 of those balls deflated, and it wasn't an intentional move from the Patriots to gain an advantage in the game. That is where the benefit of the doubt usually kicks in...however, after the Spygate scandal, the Patriots kind of lose that benefit of the doubt.

However let's face it. My opinion is worthless, your opinion is worthless. Who are we? A couple of dudes on a wrestling forum who disagree. In the end it comes down to whatever the NFL does behind their closed doors. Whatever they did when dealing with Ray Rice, whatever they do back there.

I honestly don't care about punishment at all, whether it was intentional or not. They're already there in the Super Bowl we can't change that. I'm just saying that through my eyes, and my eyes only, I will no longer see Bill Belichick or the Patriots' Organization as an impressive and success regime. They cheated once, and now there's strong evidence that they cheated again, that's it for me.

Oh, and yes. Steroids, Spygate. What's the difference? Rules or rules, advantages are advantages. Cheaters are cheaters. Just one side of the cheaters are considered scum of the Earth despite still being all around great players, while on the other side they pretend it never happened and make sure they're the center of the conversation when we're talking GOAT.
 
Defend them how you wish, the simple fact of the matter is they were caught cheating once and now they've been caught cheating in an entirely different way.

I didn't read past the first sentence because it's clear you don't know what the difference of being CAUGHT doing something and being ACCUSED of doing something is. Innocent until proven guilty. The more this thing stretches out the more it seems the Patriots haven't done anything wrong.
 

I can only speak as a biased fan in all of this. I do wholeheartedly believe innocent until proven guilty whether that be criminally, individually, or even as an NFL organization accused cheating.

BB's press conference today sure does make it sound like the Pats have been doing QUITE a bit of open research and he sounds VERY confident that this is a thing in the past.

http://www.patriots.com/media-cente...e-letter/d607eb23-2f67-4da5-aedc-b8bfba8d4c11

The biggest take away to me is that BB seems to know exactly how much air pressure the ball is changed by the conditions at which they are treated to the exact 1/2 pound.

While this does not prove anything John Harbaugh sounds apologetic, doesn't sound like a man that thinks a team is about to be roasted, and more importantly it seems some NFLers have actually gone against him for all this. Otherwise there's no need to apologize.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...deflategate/nomWQem0ynWFfq4RG27QHP/story.html

Mike Reiss' take on the whole thing also makes me optimistic.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...piecing-it-all-together-on-deflated-footballs

The more this unfolds the more I simply believe the Pats on the situation. I feel if the NFL had conclusive evidence they would have already hammered the Pats. Cheating isn't something you want looming over the biggest game of the year.
 

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