Deflate Gate....Really?!?

[Akhilleus]

I didn't read past the first sentence because it's clear you don't know what the difference of being CAUGHT doing something and being ACCUSED of doing something is. Innocent until proven guilty. The more this thing stretches out the more it seems the Patriots haven't done anything wrong.

Well if you did choose to read my post further you would have seen I did refer to the Patriots as accused several times.

And trust me I agree with you 100%, innocent until proven guilty. Especially because it seems like we've turned that around in this country and made it guilty until proven innocent. But often times when I am defending that phrase similarly to how you did, it has to do more so with actually court charges and trials. Situations more so like Ray Lewis who was found innocent, or Ben Roethlisberger who wasn't even charged with a crime. This particular situation is entirely different because we aren't talking about a trial. That is on a whole different level then the one we're on right now. And while this controversy should be taken very seriously, it should be taken seriously because the integrity of the game is in question and not a federal crime.

However to agree with what you're saying, I'll add that everything I've said is speculation and opinion in anticipation of what I am expecting to come out. Once the NFL comes to a conclusion and gives me an insight of what happened, then I'll readjust my opinion accordingly.

But until they come to that verdict all I can do is form an opinion on everything else that I've heard, just like everyone else. And what I've heard is that the Patriots had 11 out of 12 balls deflated, the 12th being for special teams. That is no accident. Someone intentionally deflated those balls for one reason or another. The Baltimore Ravens tipped off the Colts prior to the game to watch out for the deflated balls, so they obviously noticed it in their game too. So that's two straight weeks...a bit unlikely for a coincidence, and you can't blame the referees either because it's an entirely different crew. I am waiting to see what the NFL finds out just like you, but to me it seems like the Patriots are only looking more guilty as more information gets released.

 

[Akhilleus]

On a lighter note, this is hilarious...

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[#tamale]

Well if you did choose to read my post further you would have seen I did refer to the Patriots as accused several times.

And trust me I agree with you 100%, innocent until proven guilty. Especially because it seems like we've turned that around in this country and made it guilty until proven innocent. But often times when I am defending that phrase similarly to how you did, it has to do more so with actually court charges and trials. Situations more so like Ray Lewis who was found innocent, or Ben Roethlisberger who wasn't even charged with a crime. This particular situation is entirely different because we aren't talking about a trial. That is on a whole different level then the one we're on right now. And while this controversy should be taken very seriously, it should be taken seriously because the integrity of the game is in question and not a federal crime.

However to agree with what you're saying, I'll add that everything I've said is speculation and opinion in anticipation of what I am expecting to come out. Once the NFL comes to a conclusion and gives me an insight of what happened, then I'll readjust my opinion accordingly.

But until they come to that verdict all I can do is form an opinion on everything else that I've heard, just like everyone else. And what I've heard is that the Patriots had 11 out of 12 balls deflated, the 12th being for special teams. That is no accident. Someone intentionally deflated those balls for one reason or another. The Baltimore Ravens tipped off the Colts prior to the game to watch out for the deflated balls, so they obviously noticed it in their game too. So that's two straight weeks...a bit unlikely for a coincidence, and you can't blame the referees either because it's an entirely different crew. I am waiting to see what the NFL finds out just like you, but to me it seems like the Patriots are only looking more guilty as more information gets released.

Strange, because all reports point to the Patriots being innocent.

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[George Steele's Barber]

I can only speak as a biased fan in all of this. I do wholeheartedly believe innocent until proven guilty whether that be criminally, individually, or even as an NFL organization accused cheating.

BB's press conference today sure does make it sound like the Pats have been doing QUITE a bit of open research and he sounds VERY confident that this is a thing in the past.

http://www.patriots.com/media-cente...e-letter/d607eb23-2f67-4da5-aedc-b8bfba8d4c11

The biggest take away to me is that BB seems to know exactly how much air pressure the ball is changed by the conditions at which they are treated to the exact 1/2 pound.

While this does not prove anything John Harbaugh sounds apologetic, doesn't sound like a man that thinks a team is about to be roasted, and more importantly it seems some NFLers have actually gone against him for all this. Otherwise there's no need to apologize.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...deflategate/nomWQem0ynWFfq4RG27QHP/story.html

Mike Reiss' take on the whole thing also makes me optimistic.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...piecing-it-all-together-on-deflated-footballs

The more this unfolds the more I simply believe the Pats on the situation. I feel if the NFL had conclusive evidence they would have already hammered the Pats. Cheating isn't something you want looming over the biggest game of the year.

I don't think anything has actually unfolded. That makes me believe more that the Pats are guilty. To me, I find it hard to believe that the NFL can't make a determination at this point. It has been over a week with little to nothing from the NFL. Why is that? If the Pats are innocent and this is simply science or human error, why is it so hard to figure that out and why aren't the NFL screaming it from the trees to put the focus back on their biggest game of the year?

At this point it looks like the Pats are guilty and Goodell is putting off an announcement and punishment until after the SB.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Strange, because all reports point to the Patriots being innocent.

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What was that? Look, think about the Pats game plan. Pats have a ground game. The Pats biggest threat was the rain and fumbling. Deflating the ball had more to do with preventing fumbling. That is what deflating the balls gives you. I'm not sure what Sports Science was thinking in regard to the actual game.

Steven Ridley game?

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Whatever the verdict is they really need to take care of this now and not next week. When you got a Superbowl match up for the ages it's a good idea for the NFL to put an end to this and bring the focus back to the game at hand.

 

[#tamale]

What was that? Look, thohnink about the Pats game plan. Pats have a ground game. The Pats biggest threat was the rain and fumbling. Deflating the ball had more to do with preventing fumbling. That is what deflating the balls gives you. I'm not sure what Sports Science was thinking in regard to the actual game.

Steven Ridley game?

Just a further explanation on the whole deflated footballs and how it could affect Brady.

To me, it seems that the NFL is trying to cover up the referee incompentence and something that doesn´t matter. Aaron Rodgers talked about how he likes it when they overinflate the footballs. Brad Johnson paid for people to doctor the footballs before XXXVII. It has never been an issue until someone on the Colts and Kravitz made a big deal out of it, and it spun out of control.

The NFL isn´t waiting to punish the Patriots because there is no evidence against them, especially after Belichicks´s press conference yesterday. They are trying to cover up the fact that maybe the referees screwed up.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Whatever the verdict is they really need to take care of this now and not next week. When you got a Superbowl match up for the ages it's a good idea for the NFL to put an end to this and bring the focus back to the game at hand.

Not if the Pats are guilty. If the Pats are guilty fans will further question the severity of the punishment and be turned off from the game to some degree. If you let this drag out at least there is still doubt.

Unfortunately, if the Pats are innocent no one is going to believe Goodell. Do you really have faith in the NFL to be on the up and up about this?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Just a further explanation on the whole deflated footballs and how it could affect Brady.

To me, it seems that the NFL is trying to cover up the referee incompentence and something that doesn´t matter. Aaron Rodgers talked about how he likes it when they overinflate the footballs. Brad Johnson paid for people to doctor the footballs before XXXVII. It has never been an issue until someone on the Colts and Kravitz made a big deal out of it, and it spun out of control.

The NFL isn´t waiting to punish the Patriots because there is no evidence against them, especially after Belichicks´s press conference yesterday. They are trying to cover up the fact that maybe the referees screwed up.

Strange how evidence is so important to you when it comes to the Pats but you have no problem accusing the refs of screwing up without any of it.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Not if the Pats are guilty. If the Pats are guilty fans will further question the severity of the punishment and be turned off from the game to some degree. If you let this drag out at least there is still doubt.

Unfortunately, if the Pats are innocent no one is going to believe Goodell. Do you really have faith in the NFL to be on the up and up about this?

At this point they apparently have no evidence on the Pats so there is a good chance the verdict will say innocent and if they are guilty then hand out the punishment and move on. The more focus the NFL puts on deflate gate the longer it's on the people's minds and even though people will be pissed initially they will forget quickly when something else comes up for them to bitch about. That's how society works, they bitch about one thing for a bit then find another thing to bitch about, they only harp on the same incident if they keep getting reminded of it.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

At this point they apparently have no evidence on the Pats

How do you know this?

so there is a good chance the verdict will say innocent and if they are guilty then hand out the punishment and move on.

Do you really think people are going to move on while the Pats get to play in the Super Bowl?

The more focus the NFL puts on deflate gate the longer it's on the people's minds and even though people will be pissed initially they will forget quickly when something else comes up for them to bitch about.

The most important game of the year is in a week. The Seahawks would have to sign Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice to play for them at the SB for the focus to change at this point. NFL is focused on minimizing the damage to the SB. That may be why you haven't heard any evidence against the Pats (with the exception of 11 out of 12 deflated balls in their possession for two hours after the refs approved them).

That's how society works, they bitch about one thing for a bit then find another thing to bitch about, they only harp on the same incident if they keep getting reminded of it.

Well then, case closed. This was an act of God.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

How do you know this?

I don't, which is why I used the word apparently, as in rumor has it the evidence points to the Pats being innocent.

Do you really think people are going to move on while the Pats get to play in the Super Bowl?

Nothing will change the Pats playing in the Superbowl at this point so laying down a verdict is the best way to go about this. Not everyone will move on but there's a good amount of people that will.

The most important game of the year is in a week. The Seahawks would have to sign Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice to play for them at the SB for the focus to change at this point. NFL is focused on minimizing the damage to the SB. That may be why you haven't heard any evidence against the Pats (with the exception of 11 out of 12 deflated balls in their possession for two hours after the refs approved them).

It's also possible they have no evidence either that the Pats did anything. It's not about what people think it's about what people can prove.

Well then, case closed. This was an act of God.

No such thing as an act of God but once again its either prove the Pats did something or move on. At this point they've most likely figured out if the Pats did anything so just give the verdict and move on. People are going to be pissed anyways but not as many will be pissed if it's said the Pats are innocent or a punishment is handed down because they're guilty.

 

[Akhilleus]

Can we please stop pretending it was "science". All 11 out of the 12 balls, the 12th being the one not used by the offense, were deflated...significantly deflated. Let's just go ahead and say it was the cold. Then why did the Ravens notice it last week? Two weeks in a row, same exact team. Yes both games it was cold weather, but it was pretty chilly in Seattle and they didn't seem to have a problem. I don't think Denver had much of an issue at Mile High Stadium during the divisional round either. Or how about Green Bay's game in the wild card?

It's just magically the Patriots...two weeks in a row. A team with a history of cheating. But yeah, let's pretend it was science.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

On Sunday the Pats win the Superbowl and today it was proven deflate gate was a ref screw up and the Pats did nothing wrong. Must be a great time to be a Patriots fan.

Habs, congrats on your team winning.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

On Sunday the Pats win the Superbowl and today it was proven deflate gate was a ref screw up and the Pats did nothing wrong.

I can't find this story. Do you have a link?

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I can't find this story. Do you have a link?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/02/...-time-for-irsay-pagano-to-be-banned-from-nfl/

Probably not the best link, it's pretty wordy and the article is a little all over the place but it talks about what happened.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Are you serious?

 

[rbv13]

I was on my way to read the article when I saw Boston in the link. Hometown propaganda?

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Are you serious?

Afraid so.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I was on my way to read the article when I saw Boston in the link. Hometown propaganda?

Then why is there more than one article on it. Since then I've read another 3 that said the same thing so it ain't propaganda. Am I seriously the only one here who knows how to use Google?

 

[rbv13]

Goo Gle? Never heard of it. Why would anyone go look for themselves when you're here doing it.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Goo Gle? Never heard of it. Why would anyone go look for themselves when you're here doing it.

Touché rbv, touché indeed.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Sorry, I missed the article with the comments from Tom Brady's dad. He was the person that I was waiting to hear from to clear all this up. Case closed.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

Read the second last point only ONE ball was 2 pounds under pressure. You can't explain 2 psi under pressure but a few ticks could easily be because of the weather.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

That article provided next to nothing in the case. I'm not even sure you are reading that part of the article properly. If what you believe that part of the article said says what you think it says , wouldn't this part of the story have been much bigger deal in the media?