Darren Young comes out as gay

On the notion that this may have been planned by the WWE; I wouldn't put it past them.

Then again, we're talking about TMZ here. It's not unusual for their amateur journalists to ambush random public figures with hastily imagined questions. I'm sure that the WWE isn't past getting Harvey Levin on the phone to set this up only to claim it was all real after the fact. There is still enough doubt on both sides of the debate, I find it more likely that some folks from TMZ happened upon Darren. I've run into Pat Patterson, Gerald Brisco and William Moody on separate occasions while flying through Flordia. They all had no security or entourage, they were just like regular people traveling incognito. If I had seen Darren Young just standing there, I'd have asked for an autograph and told him I'm a big fan. I think that it could happen where TMZ would spontaneously ask about homosexuality in pro-wrestling as it's become a hot button issue for the mainstream media.

It's pro-wrestling for crying out loud. Not accepting that the exchange was genuine would only be for self-serving purposes. I pay money to watch guys stand there dumbfounded while Daniel Bryan backflips over them for the thousandth time.


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Guess we know who is ending the Undertaker's streak next year. I'm still saying this is a work. In real didn't he go out with Tamina Snuka a while back? Since he went out with his "Boyfriend." It also seems Darren was worried about his Wikipedia information too as he checked the page. I know this because he tweeted - "FYI Im 29 not 33...just ask my @wwe family and dont rely on Wikipedia! :)" And also if he is openly gay why does his bio say "As comfortable in the VIP section as he is in the ring, Darren Young’s life revolves around three things — money, women and wrestling." Should it say Money, Men and Wrestling? I call bullshit on this whole thing.
 
In a few other wrestling communities I frequent, people are already talking about how amazing Darren Young suddenly is, and coming up with all these ideas about how to use this new information in an angle or something.

Fucking stop it.

Darren Young was painfully mediocre before. Using his sexuality to exploit on television to make him someone else to not take seriously is a performer is not only offensive, but it's going to kill his career. Anybody who knows me around here knows of my affiliation with the LGBT community, and I'm fucking ecstatic that we have someone to support in this otherwise heterocentric sport, but that doesn't mean he should be pushed to the moon. He's fucking Darren Young, guys.
 
Darren Young was painfully mediocre before. Using his sexuality to exploit on television to make him someone else to not take seriously is a performer is not only offensive, but it's going to kill his career. Anybody who knows me around here knows of my affiliation with the LGBT community, and I'm fucking ecstatic that we have someone to support in this otherwise heterocentric sport, but that doesn't mean he should be pushed to the moon. He's fucking Darren Young, guys.

I'm sort of late to the topic (I've been traveling) but I wanted to just give my own opinion on the subject at hand and I think the best place to start would be agreeing with the core concept of this post.

He came out as gay, I have a lot of respect for him because of this he deserves it. He defied so social norms and had the courage to do so. I personally am heterosexual and I don't understand the severity of his situation but honestly I admire anyone who wants to be themselves. So bravo for Darren.

But if WWE treats him ANY differently then normal I think that's being hypocritical and more importantly defyin what DARREN wants. He said you shouldn't think of him any differently because if this. You shouldn't change your opinion on him. WWE will wants to capitalize on this "coming out" and I think that is wrong of them to do. Sure if he is featured at every Be a Star rally or anti bullying campaign you know what I'm fine with that, but in WWE programming they shouldn't change where he's at or what direction he's going in because that's true EQUALITY.

If he gets a win or two here and there because of this I'm okay with that, but if they change or alter who or what he is in the WWE, me a Hetero person might I add would take offense to that.
 
No-one's saying he is, but as far as I'm aware, he's the first wrestler to come out as gay while still employed as a full-time wrestler in the WWE. Fair play to him. I don't think it'll have any difference on his career whatsoever

Actually, they are. Almost every post or thread is praising him as being the 1st open wrestler. Read the news boards and forums adn that's the first thing that comes up when they mention it.
 
I think him coming out is not only brave on his part, but maybe a strategic move as well as opposed to staying in the closet.

He pretty much made himself "Future E devour" proof.
He has been pretty much a no-body since he left the Nexus and could have been released at anytime. Now, if the WWE were planning on releasing him, they are going to get a TON of bad publicity for "Firinig the 1st homosexual entertainer to come out."

In fact, I think this can only enhance his character and give him a push (with Titus Oneil as well) The "gay" characters really stood out in the past (Billy & Chuck, Rico and brought them to high-profile matches and segments) I don't him his character persay will be portrayed as gay but just the general knowelgde of the man behind the character will bring in publicity and you know the WWE will cash in.

I see 0% chance of this becoming one of Vince's "BE A STAR" moments.
But 100% of it becoming a real "BE A STAR" movement.

The difference is guys like billy& chukc, rico, georgous george, adrian adonis, even goldberg where all works and gimmicks, not real to the person. This doesn't make him as impervious to a firing, in fact, depending on how they play it (liekly not well given their track record), it might increase his chances of being let go. Not because he is gay, but because he's going to have a bigger spotlight on him as fans/critics start looking to see if he behaves in any stereotypical 'gay' role and opponents react to his work in ring with the silent question of 'what if he....".
if he doesn't start drawing money from his demographic now, and hasn't been drawing from precious work, then he's just brought the attention to his work and if it isn't as good as it needs to be, they will release him for that instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt or letting him have the chance to grow into a quality guy.
 
This will not be exploited unless DY wants to exploit it. Orlando Jordan came up with his over the top wanna-be Goldust ripoff all by himself.

WWE will keeping this professional because they don't care. Vince McMahon's most trusted confidant is Pat Patterson, a gay man.

And even if you people are dumb enough to believe that WWE and its employees have a problem with this, then I guess you are dumb enough to believe that John Cena clearly won't let anything negative come of this (assuming you are dumb enough to think he has that kind of stroke) due to his very own brother being homosexual as well.

Its 2013, not 1813. If you have a problem with someone being gay than you are a moron and probably have deep rooted sexual insecurities.

here's where I start having a problem. You can't have it both ways when it comes to our freedoms. Free speech is powerful right and needs to be protected on both sides of an issue.

You can't condemn someone for not liking something or being uncomfortable with it the same as you can't condemn someone for liking it.

In this case, you can't hate on either side without making your side look in the wrong. Every one is perfectly within their rights to either approve of DY coming out and being a gay man, or feeling uncomfortable with it. The issue becomes with how you display and speak of your feelings on the subject, not the feelings themselves. I personally have no problems with any ones sexuality except the most extreme cases (ie pedophiles and necrophiliacs), but I do not believe I have the right to try and force my acceptance on others who don't feel the same as I do, regardless of the source of their feelings.

Despite popular belief, homosexuality and bisexuality have existed for as long as there have been multi sexual species. There's has always been a percentage of the population (male and female) who have preferred their own gender, so accusing people of performing non natural acts is idiotic in the same manner that trying to say that everyone has to be okay with other's sexual/political/religious preferences are. It is okay to dissent, but it is not okay to deride. There is a difference in having opposite opinions or emotions about a subject, and belittling others for their preferences and beliefs.
 
Good for him, but lol @ the description on his twitter account

"As comfortable in the VIP section as he is in the ring, Darren Young’s life revolves around three things — money, women and wrestling."

Guess not.

Let's not overreact to my next statement, which is meant as a joke.

Actually this is true. Just instead of having one night stands or paying them for 'special' favors, he's getting hair styling and fashion tips. Nothing wrong with that, just a different aspect of what a woman can do for a man that doesn't involve her body.
 
For anyone thinking that WWE won't exploit this, remember Billy & Chuck? They worked so hard to make them look gay they even put them on the Today show to announce and promote their wedding. Now they're gonna have a field day with this one because is a real homosexual.


With all these tolerance laws about gays/gender confused people being able to use what ever restroom/lockroom they feel suits them, does this mean that Darren could go for the Diva's championship if he wanted?

What if WWE told him no? Could he sue? What if he wants to start using the divas locker room?

This is a ridiculous post, but in it's naive ridiculousness, you did something I was surprised with.

You asked what if he wanted to use the woman's locker room.
Now, in the context of his sexuality, this makes no sense. He is not attracted to women so why would he want to use the woman's locker room? Wouldn't he want to use the men's locker so he could hopefully catch a glimpse of attractive naked wrestlers? Wouldn't it be more likely that other wrestlers want him to use the woman's locker because of their fear and ignorance/intolerance of his gender preference?

He is not gender confused or transgender, he is just a man who happens to prefer sex with other men. As so many have stated (both in positive and negative lights) this in and of itself is not a big deal. But to do it during a critical time in his young career in a sport (scripted or not) that's focused on physical action between scantily dressed fit men grappling and groping each other in front of 10000+ live audiences and millions on tv/ppv is a brave thing to do. Even disregarding fan reactions, what happens the next time he's in a match and they go into a hold/reversal series, does his opponent get uncomfortable with being in such close proximity to him? Do they start questioning themselves over their own gender preferences if they are enjoying the match?
This is where the bravery really comes in and we will have to wait until his next few matches to see if others are just playing lip service (no puns please) or truly mean it when they wish him luck. Well they be comfortable grappling him, or will a part of them be wondering if he might become aroused at such close quarters? What if they become aroused? These are the questions that are going to be going through his head and the heads of other wrestlers, and it doesn't matter how you feel about it. It will happen and likely has happened.
 
Guess we know who is ending the Undertaker's streak next year. I'm still saying this is a work. In real didn't he go out with Tamina Snuka a while back? Since he went out with his "Boyfriend." It also seems Darren was worried about his Wikipedia information too as he checked the page. I know this because he tweeted - "FYI Im 29 not 33...just ask my @wwe family and dont rely on Wikipedia! :)" And also if he is openly gay why does his bio say "As comfortable in the VIP section as he is in the ring, Darren Young’s life revolves around three things — money, women and wrestling." Should it say Money, Men and Wrestling? I call bullshit on this whole thing.

joke alert:
Maybe Tamina was his cover and he was dating Jimmy? What's the term people use now for a gay man's best female friend? one he might be dating to cover his real sexuality? Oh, in the pre industrial age (prior to 1900's) it was 'wife'.
 
The difference is guys like billy& chukc, rico, georgous george, adrian adonis, even goldberg where all works and gimmicks, not real to the person. This doesn't make him as impervious to a firing, in fact, depending on how they play it (liekly not well given their track record), it might increase his chances of being let go. Not because he is gay, but because he's going to have a bigger spotlight on him as fans/critics start looking to see if he behaves in any stereotypical 'gay' role and opponents react to his work in ring with the silent question of 'what if he....".
if he doesn't start drawing money from his demographic now, and hasn't been drawing from precious work, then he's just brought the attention to his work and if it isn't as good as it needs to be, they will release him for that instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt or letting him have the chance to grow into a quality guy.

sorry meant for this to be GoldDust, not GoldBerg, but hey, still applies
 
"As comfortable in the VIP section as he is in the ring, Darren Young’s life revolves around three things — money, women and wrestling."

This is the thing though: It's his ON-SCREEN character. They have to continue with this because his openness didn't happen in the confines of the "WWE UNIVERSE." In this universe, he's still straight as a pencil.

Which makes me wonder what they'll do to PTP. They were expected to split soon. But Madden made a good booking point. Have heels rip on the guy, but O'Neil says this is my tag team partner. Gay or not. You have a problem with him, you have a problem with me.

With GLAAD keeping a close eye on this situation, I can't imagine McMahon making the same mistake he did with Adrian Adonis, Golddust, etc. There is too much pressure from the outside world. And between their BE A STAR campaign and the fact that they are a publicly-traded company, Vince has to tread lightly on making this into a storyline, but not making it a farce.

I have to doubt they incorporate it. They have to. You can't have everyone knowing he's gay, yet his character still loves women. I just hope another thing Madden says is wrong: That Young is going to hear the gay bashing and the homophobic chants in every arena he competes in.
 
If anyone is wondering why TMZ specifically asked him the question, Chris Jericho pointed out a while back that TMZ calls public figures before hand and asks them to meet up at a specific time and place to do the interview.

Anyway, I give him his due props for coming out. Its not an easy process for everyone and its touching that his being in love was what drove him to come out. I dont think his career is in danger since Steph and Triple H seem to be very pro gay. I do think however, it creates a tough situation for the WWE if Vince wanted to get rid of him. Releasing him any time soon is a perfect way to create unwanted controversy. I do think he spoke with Vince before hand and Vince gave him the green light to do the TMZ interview. I'm not worried about him being pushed for coming out, some people seem to be real angry that he's getting publicity for coming out. Well, thats what happens when you oppress a group of people for so long, they eventually stop looking at their attributes as weaknesses, and instead embrace them. Ask the African American community how that works. I wish Darren all the best and hope he has a successful and long career with the WWE.
 
I'm sort of late to the topic (I've been traveling) but I wanted to just give my own opinion on the subject at hand and I think the best place to start would be agreeing with the core concept of this post.

He came out as gay, I have a lot of respect for him because of this he deserves it. He defied so social norms and had the courage to do so. I personally am heterosexual and I don't understand the severity of his situation but honestly I admire anyone who wants to be themselves. So bravo for Darren.

But if WWE treats him ANY differently then normal I think that's being hypocritical and more importantly defyin what DARREN wants. He said you shouldn't think of him any differently because if this. You shouldn't change your opinion on him. WWE will wants to capitalize on this "coming out" and I think that is wrong of them to do. Sure if he is featured at every Be a Star rally or anti bullying campaign you know what I'm fine with that, but in WWE programming they shouldn't change where he's at or what direction he's going in because that's true EQUALITY.

If he gets a win or two here and there because of this I'm okay with that, but if they change or alter who or what he is in the WWE, me a Hetero person might I add would take offense to that.

You guys don't seem to understand that his character is no longer going to work as it did before if the WWE don't address this. Do you know why? Because I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the entire WWE Universe now know that Darren Young is gay. Even those that are just casual fans and don't really get online and do some of the things that we do. It has been all over the news since it happened.

So if the WWE still brings Darren Young out and act as if nothing happened and they don't address it, I think that that would cause more problems then if they were to actually address it. I can see it now, they don't address it and he comes out for a tag team match. As soon as the match starts the chants will start and that is what would be wrong. How many times have the WWE tried just not addressing certain situations that we know about? It just doesn't work out. I'm not saying that he can't continue to be a member of the PTP, however, I think that it would work out better if the WWE were to address it on Raw or something like that.

As I've said before, as long as they don't make him a stereotypical gay character, I don't see an issue with the WWE using this in an angle.
 
You guys don't seem to understand that his character is no longer going to work. Do you know why? Because I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the entire WWE Universe now know that Darren Young is gay. Even those that are just casual fans and don't really get online and do some of the things that we do. It has been all over the news since it happened.

So if the WWE still brings Darren Young out and act as if nothing happened and they don't address it, I think that that would cause more problems then if they were to actually address it. I can see it now, they don't address it and he comes out for a tag team match. As soon as the match starts the chants will start and that is what would be wrong. How many times have the WWE tried just not addressing certain situations that we know about? It just doesn't work out. I'm not saying that he can't continue to be a member of the PTP, however, I think that it would work out better if the WWE were to address it on Raw or something like that.

As I've said before, as long as they don't make him a stereotypical gay character, I don't see an issue with the WWE using this in an angle.

But chasing women has never been a part of the PTP's gimmick. Apart from chasing Snuka in NXT they just act like loudmouth tough guys. The women in his twitter handle is irrelevant. Just playing up the 'playa's angle. Playa's come in all kindsa ways. They just come out on raw, do the job, have a little dance and go home. That is unlikely to change.
 
But chasing women has never been a part of the PTP's gimmick. Apart from chasing Snuka in NXT they just act like loudmouth tough guys. The women in his twitter handle is irrelevant. Just playing up the 'playa's angle. Playa's come in all kindsa ways. They just come out on raw, do the job, have a little dance and go home. That is unlikely to change.

I'm not saying that has to change. I'm just saying that those of you saying that the WWE shouldn't address this publically are wrong IMO. As I said, if the WWE completely act like nothing has happened and don't address this, I think that the fans in attendance will make his matches very uncomfortable. He can continue to be a member of the PTP and continue doing everything that he's been doing on screen, but they can't act like he never gave that interview.
 
I'm not saying that has to change. I'm just saying that those of you saying that the WWE shouldn't address this publically are wrong IMO. As I said, if the WWE completely act like nothing has happened and don't address this, I think that the fans in attendance will make his matches very uncomfortable. He can continue to be a member of the PTP and continue doing everything that he's been doing on screen, but they can't act like he never gave that interview.

So gay actors can't play straight characters now? What planet are you on, Phenom? His character has absolute fuck all to do with who he is in real life. The entire point is that he doesn't need to queen-out simply because he revealed his sexuality.
 
So gay actors can't play straight characters now? What planet are you on, Phenom? His character has absolute fuck all to do with who he is in real life. The entire point is that he doesn't need to queen-out simply because he revealed his sexuality.

I think his point rests in the idea that wrestling fans by and large are ignorant know-it-all morons. The same guys who chant husky harris and Goldberg would tear anything to shreds if they saw the chance.
 
So gay actors can't play straight characters now? What planet are you on, Phenom? His character has absolute fuck all to do with who he is in real life. The entire point is that he doesn't need to queen-out simply because he revealed his sexuality.

I'm on this planet and if that's what you took from my post then I feel sorry for you. Also, "queen-out"? Did you not read my post at all? I said that by no means should he do that.

I'm not saying that he can't play a straight character at all, however, this isn't the WWE from the 80's to mid 90's. You know, back when everyone had an over the top gimmick and using one's real name was forbidden and all of that. We are in an era of wrestling where the fans want everything to be as realistic as possible. Ever since Punk gave his worked shoot promo in June of 2011, people have been wanting as much reality in the WWE product as they can get.

So if your naive little brain really thinks that the WWE just ignoring this will work and that all will be well because of it, then again, I feel sorry for you. Because the fact is, moronic know it all fans will make this an issue during his matches with chants, signs, and other things. I'm just saying that it would be better for the WWE to get ahead of it before his matches become uncomfortable to watch. Not because of the other performers that he'll be working with, but because of the fans.
 
I think his point rests in the idea that wrestling fans by and large are ignorant know-it-all morons. The same guys who chant husky harris and Goldberg would tear anything to shreds if they saw the chance.

Exactly!!

So why let these fans tear Darren Young to shreds because he came out? However, if the WWE were to get ahead of this and actually do make it into an angle or something, I think that it would help to nip that type of reaction in the bud.

I just don't want to see those fans who still chant "what", "Goldberg", and "boring" to have a chance to be chanting something during one of Young's matches. That's what will happen if the WWE just ignore this and act as though nothing happened. Also, I'm not saying that if they address it that this will not happen, however, if they address it I think that the reaction would not be as large and as uncomfortable when the fans do start in.
 
You guys should read my post better. I never called Young a pervert. But why did he feel the need to tell anyone about his sexuality? But now since we do know, he will be pampered so he is not to be made upset because you know what will happen.
The only reason people come out this way is for the attention, nothing more.

Let's be real, if Darren gets a push the night after SummerSlam, you'll know why.

People coming out like it's the new trend. Why do people act like it's such an "inspiration" to be a pervert?

I don't go around flaunting my heterosexuality.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure you called him a pervert. Not as directly as "Darren Young is a pervert". But you did. Darren Young came out very nonchalantly. The media outlets made a big deal out of it. And it shouldn't be that big of deal. But with sports, it's always been a taboo. It's not just for attention. And hell, maybe you're right. Maybe some do it for the attention. But most do it for the confidence to be able to be themselves in public.
 
I'm not saying that he can't play a straight character at all, however, this isn't the WWE from the 80's to mid 90's. You know, back when everyone had an over the top gimmick and using one's real name was forbidden and all of that. We are in an era of wrestling where the fans want everything to be as realistic as possible. Ever since Punk gave his worked shoot promo in June of 2011, people have been wanting as much reality in the WWE product as they can get.

So then why are we talking about Darren Young, and not Fred Rosser? It needs to be as realistic as possible, right? While we're at it, let's have Kane repackaged as Glenn Jacobs, a regular guy with a passive interest in history and politics. Or Bryan Danielson, a pretty quiet, down-to-earth hippie vegan who wants world peace and a green environment.

We need realism, right?

It's fucking professional wrestling. We're talking about MILLIONSA DOLLAS MILLIONSA DOLLAS MILLIONSA DOLLAS. They're performers playing characters, just like CM Punk did during his pipebomb promo. If you can't separate wrestling from reality, this is your problem, not everyone else's.

So if your naive little brain really thinks that the WWE just ignoring this will work and that all will be well because of it, then again, I feel sorry for you. Because the fact is, moronic know it all fans will make this an issue during his matches with chants, signs, and other things. I'm just saying that it would be better for the WWE to get ahead of it before his matches become uncomfortable to watch. Not because of the other performers that he'll be working with, but because of the fans.

Every bit of "realism" to come out of the WWE, like John Cena's divorce, or mentions of real-life familial connections, have been side-of-the-mouth mentions for the niche group of people who freak out when they mention that Cody and Goldust are brothers. There's no reason to highlight Fred Rosser's sexuality in the context of Darren Young, the character.
 
So then why are we talking about Darren Young, and not Fred Rosser? It needs to be as realistic as possible, right? While we're at it, let's have Kane repackaged as Glenn Jacobs, a regular guy with a passive interest in history and politics. Or Bryan Danielson, a pretty quiet, down-to-earth hippie vegan who wants world peace and a green environment.

We need realism, right?

It's fucking professional wrestling. We're talking about MILLIONSA DOLLAS MILLIONSA DOLLAS MILLIONSA DOLLAS. They're performers playing characters, just like CM Punk did during his pipebomb promo. If you can't separate wrestling from reality, this is your problem, not everyone else's.



Every bit of "realism" to come out of the WWE, like John Cena's divorce, or mentions of real-life familial connections, have been side-of-the-mouth mentions for the niche group of people who freak out when they mention that Cody and Goldust are brothers. There's no reason to highlight Fred Rosser's sexuality in the context of Darren Young, the character.

Again, you're not understanding what I'm saying. Not at all.

I never said that we needed as much realism as possible. I was talking about the large number of fans that think that we do. I have no problem separating reality from wrestling. But there are those that either can't or don't want to.

I just don't want to watch a Darren Young match and then hear those moronic fans start with their chants. If you honestly think that those fans won't do something like that, then again, you're being naïve. I'm saying that the WWE should get ahead of the situation before something like that does happen. That's all I'm saying. I never said that he should stop being a member of the PTP or that he should queen out as you so eloquently put.

Do you understand that? I hope so because that's as plainly as I can explain it.
 
Again, you're not understanding what I'm saying. Not at all.

I never said that we needed as much realism as possible. I was talking about the large number of fans that think that we do. I have no problem separating reality from wrestling. But there are those that either can't or don't want to.

I just don't want to watch a Darren Young match and then hear those moronic fans start with their chants. If you honestly think that those fans won't do something like that, then again, you're being naïve. I'm saying that the WWE should get ahead of the situation before something like that does happen. That's all I'm saying. I never said that he should stop being a member of the PTP or that he should queen out as you so eloquently put.

Do you understand that? I hope so because that's as plainly as I can explain it.

So then how do you solve this issue? How does the WWE "get ahead" of fans chanting whatever the fuck they want to chant? Sure, you *might* hear some chants in the beginning, but that's expected. Soon people are going to be over it, and the chants will die down.

There's nothing more they can do about the situation other than show their support for him.
 
I'm not saying that has to change. I'm just saying that those of you saying that the WWE shouldn't address this publically are wrong IMO. As I said, if the WWE completely act like nothing has happened and don't address this, I think that the fans in attendance will make his matches very uncomfortable. He can continue to be a member of the PTP and continue doing everything that he's been doing on screen, but they can't act like he never gave that interview.

So the WWE has to address Darren Young's sexuality on Raw that way fans in attendance won't cheer what they want to cheer? People have free will. They will do what they want.

Also, the WWE website has addressed this, employees in the WWE have addressed this, fucking Vince McMahon addressed this. Let's not forget...

Because I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the entire WWE Universe now know that Darren Young is gay. Even those that are just casual fans and don't really get online and do some of the things that we do. It has been all over the news since it happened.

The situation has been addressed. The reception to the news has been positive. Darren Young is a fringe character in the WWE. They don't need a 15 minute segment on Raw to address his sexuality.
 

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