Danielson instead of bret???

[Big Nick Dudley]

Some of you are having a tough time getting this throught your respective heads; DANIELSON DOES NOT WORK FOR THE WWE! He doesn't have a contract. He was fired. He's gone. Some of you cannot seem to accept this as a fact.

And, seeing the question asks who I would rather see on "The Dream Team," I'm going with Bret. Danielson has no connection to Cena's team, none at all. As a matter of fact, the last time he saw Cena, he spat in his face and basically called him a loser. How can they explain these two teaming up? Danielson was a MAJOR part of the Invasion, and it's hard for me to believe Cena and company would even want him as a tag partner. It wouldn't make any sense.

Bret Hart, on the other hand, actually has something to do with this rivarly. The NEXUS took Bret out, now he's back for revenge. It's really not that hard to figure out. This is a 14-man match, so all you Bret haters out there need not worry; he won't see much action.

Some of you refuse to put storyline first. You want what you want, even at the expense of the story. The only way Danielson could be involved with this story is if he were to come back and help NEXUS. Him helping the WWE would look really, really stupid at this point.

Would I like to see Danielson rejoin the NEXUS? Definitely. But not Cena's "Dream Team." Not sure I would call it a Dream Team either, it doesn't have the biggest superstars out there.

 

[Boondocks]

I would've rather seen Danielson, as Danielson. He may not be over with the crowd for the bast 20 years, but he has a good reason to be in that match, as does Bret. But Danielson has the in ring ability...

can someone please tell me wtf is so great about danielson?!!??! EVAN BOURNE IS BY FAR THE MOST EXCITING SUPERSTAR TO WATCH. I bought MITB just to see what he would do.

I watched some of danielson's highlights on youtube, still dont see what the hell is so great about this guy. Has a very average look and I would never in a million years actually believe he could beat a guy like Cena in a match.

can everyone please get off his d now? thanks

And to this fella here, Danielson is pretty much the best TECHNICAL superstar that WWE could have. Evan Bourne may be able to jump like a gymnast, but Danielson is better overall.

 

[jholcomb22]

First of all, the 90 day compete clause prevents Danielson from being on TV for any organization, INCLUDING WWE. For those of you who think WWE can just throw him on TV whenever they want to, remember this: Linda is still running for Senate. The WWE is not going to do anything further to cost her in that race, therefore, when they put Danielson on a 90 day timeout for going PG-13 in a PG wrestling world, they won't pull him out early to appease the small base that loves Danielson. Sorry, the earliest he'll be back is September.

Second, Danielson doesn't make sense storyline wise on either team. Cena wouldn't want him for the spitting incident. WWE wrote him off with Wade Barrett saying he had remorse for his actions on the initial invasion, and that Nexus kicked him out. When and if he does come back to the E, he needs to feud again with Miz for the US Championship or the MITB briefcase.

With that being said, Bret is a good choice to be on Cena's team. He has the motivation as they jumped him. He is very old, so all of you who say he is a better wrestler now than Danielson, stop smokin shit, seriously. But if they do end up replacing Bret, I like Evan Bourne. Keep his push going, please.

 

[x_JL_x]

First...

I also suspect that Jericho will turn against Team Raw. Remember two weeks ago when he was talking to Wade Barrett? How does he go from complimenting him to being on the opposite team?

Really? Did you watch RAW? Notice how Nexus turned on Jericho and beat him down? That didn't present you with a plausible enough reason for Jericho to want to go against them?


Ok, now on to the whole non-compete clause thing. That's a non-issue. There would be no breach of contract if they brought Danielson back before 90 days was up. People really gotta let go of that excuse and realize that either Danielson isn't coming back, or he won't be back anytime soon. Most likely it's a PR thing was the reason he was let go. He made WWE look bad to people with a lot more pull than the IWC. If WWE wanted him back the clause is no reason to prevent them from doing so. Legally speaking it's like this: let's say me and you sign a contract with each other saying that I'll pay you perform as a character I've created to do commercials for a product that I'm going to begin marketing. Well in that contract, to cover my own basis, I include a clause that says if I ever fire you or you quit then you're not allowed to go on tv advertising another product similar to mine for x-amount of days. Well let's say you go out and do something stupid in a drunken stupor at a bar one night and that causes me to get upset and can you as my spokesperson for my product. From that moment on (for 90 days) you're not allowed to endorse/promote any other similar products (we'll say the product is ummm...shoes). Now this is to prevent other companies of using your namesake and character, which I helped build with the ad campaign, in order to have a "face/name" promoting their competing product. Now let's say 30 days later me and you resolve our differences and I want you back promoting. The only people that could call a breach of contract for you appearing on tv promoting shoes before 90 days is up is me and my company. Well since we obviously want you back, I'm definitely not going to sue myself or you and ruin my plans. Thus the contract is simply amended and you're brought back. There's absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about this happening and is perfectly acceptable, legally speaking, so long as both parties agree on it.

Now onto the Bret thing. First off, my favorite wrestler of all time. I got giddy when I heard that guitar whine like that. Was great seeing him come back out. Obviously they got things worked out with the whole insurance business and that's good. Glad to see him back on my TV. That being said, I seriously doubt he'll be doing much wrestling if any at all. My guess, he'll maybe be allowed to pick up the pinfall after the rest of his team does the work (if Team Cena does in fact win). But something that could be cool....

Imagine this (I think it's already been mentioned in here, but..), imagine Bret does turn and reveals himself as the man behind the Nexus and this is where they reveal their greater cause. Now chances of this happening are pretty much slim to none and Slim seems to be packing his luggage already. And in fact, turning such an icon and a hall of famer heel like that might even piss me off and may be a bad idea just due to the fact that, come on, he's a hall of famer and can't send him out on a heel run (as I'm sure he's not going to be sticking around for TOO long). Plus I'm not even sure fans would get behind booing him. Anyways though imagine Bret turns, reveals as mastermind behind Nexus. Nexus dominates Team Cena and to end the PPV we get the image of Cena locked in the Sharpshooter. What an epic image that would be. Can you imagine the buzz of that? Cena locked in Bret's sharpshooter. Now THAT would be a truly memorable WWE moment that people wouldn't soon forget. Just that image.

 

[LegendKiller716]

Bryan would make sense, but it can't happen. IMO The Hart Dynasty should have been on Cena's team. It would have made more sense than Kahli and Truth.

 

[Attitude]

First, it doesn't make sense to put Danielson on John Cena team since that's who he and the Nexus is against anyway. Danielson and the Nexus are agianst the WWE and trying to get guys like them real oppurtunities in the WWE. They want to make their dreams come true. Danielson is against the WWE as he already mentioned before and the type of guys they push. He mentioned in past promos how WWE only pushes big guys and never push smaller guys like him and that Vince only likes the big guys. So it would make no sense to put Danielson with the guys he against in the first place.

Second, John Cena and the Dream Team are for the WWE which is the company that fired Danielson in the first place. So if he did come back it definately wouldn't be with them.

Last, it makes sense to have Bret in the team. Bret was one of the Nexus first targets so why not have Bret come get revenge. If this does turn into a tag team match at Summerslam it's not like Bret has to do a lot of wrestling since their will be 5 other guys on his side. Bret only needs to hit a few moves and then he can be done and let the other guys finish the work.

So that's why I chose Bret.

 

[XgringolocoX]

Though I'm a huge Bret Hart fan, I just don't want to see him in a match. Wrestlemania was horrible. It was just so obvious that he couldn't do anything. That's not how I want to remember Bret as a wrestler.
Danielson would have been a great shocker. Though he'd have to turn on Cena AT Summerslam.
So what if there's a 90 day no compete clause. That applies to companies OTHER than WWE. He can be rehired at any point. WWE even relaxed his no compete so he can work untelevised and no for PPV events. I hope we see Danielson again. He was starting to evolve nicely.

 

[mister_b1LL]

Bret Hart being on the team was good. It generated a big pop and was really a cool moment for him to return. But I've got this feeling that he will not be on the team for too long considering he's not in fighting shape, so his spot will open up for another guy.

 

[LAXbro]

i would like to danielson instead of brett.because danielson can wrestle..brett can't really do anything in the ring anymore...but i was shocked to see harts music but i really hoping to see danielson but ethier one was a good choice

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Wow I can’t believe how many people are saying that Danielson wouldn’t have made sense. He’d make just as much sense as Hart. When Danielson was fired Barrett said that Danielson had remorse after the initial attack on Cena and so we would never see him again. Having him come out with Cena would have worked. Has anyone here ever heard of a face turn?

Back on topic, I would have loved Danielson to come out instead of Brett but I still think Brett is also a great idea. Even though he’s not going to do much in ring work he will still push this story along. And as someone mentioned in an earlier post it could be revealed that Brett is actually behind the whole Nexus group and he could turn on Cena and co at the PPV.

Danielson would work though but he won’t be back until his 90 days are up and that’s only if he wants to come back and WWE wants him back. Remember he wasn’t suspended, he was fired.

 

[RKOreBourne]

Of course I'd rather see Danielson. That would have been epic. But his 90 days isn't up until I believe September, so obviously I wasn't expecting him (and I don't know why so many were in the first place)

Unlike many, I'm glad they went with Bret. It was a great surprise and it makes perfect sense. The only pick that really boggles my mind is The Great Khali...

this is almost exactly wut i was thinking. only thing i can draw would be Khali's translator having something to do with Nexus, but that's a shot way off mark.
here's another shot tho, have Nexus take out the "biggest" threat (Khali) thus making room for another member...may i suggest a certain high-flyer known as Evan Bourne. The kid just had a non-title match and held his own in there for some time. This just further pushes him, wrestling with the top guys RAW has to offer.

only other thing i woulda like to have seen would be Jericho wins the Triple Threat, keeping the bitterness with Edge. Orton take Jericho's place alongside Cena. Sheamus gets a turn leading up to Summerslam. yea you read that right, i wanna see a face Sheamus... Lucky Charms that shit

 

[RKOreBourne]

Though I'm a huge Bret Hart fan, I just don't want to see him in a match. Wrestlemania was horrible. It was just so obvious that he couldn't do anything. That's not how I want to remember Bret as a wrestler.
Danielson would have been a great shocker. Though he'd have to turn on Cena AT Summerslam.
So what if there's a 90 day no compete clause. That applies to companies OTHER than WWE. He can be rehired at any point. WWE even relaxed his no compete so he can work untelevised and no for PPV events. I hope we see Danielson again. He was starting to evolve nicely.

Think they could have him come out and interfere somehow? Whether that be helping Nexus or turning on them after they turned on him in the beggining.

 

[Guyzwitgunz]

Danielson WOULD have made sense but he still WOULDNT have got a reaction.
IT seems strange that they chose hart and that he is presumably going to wrestle because after he left following F4W there was news about his lawyer not being happy with his physical involvement or something. And now they book in a match upon his return?? Seems strange.

 

[theHeadliner]

The reason Bret was "fired" is because his insurance company told him he couldn't wrestle anymore, or something of that nature. It was a last minute thing and I don't think they'd intended to "fire" him, they just did that to explain why he wasn't on TV anymore. I believe Bret even confirmed this. They must have worked something out though. Either way, they never gave Bret a future endeavors thing on wwe.com so the possibility of him returning was always an option.

I know I read that too, but I was saying that all could have been a work because a month later they announce he's wrestling in a match, when he apparently left cus of his insurance policy and the inability to let him "wrestle" or work as much as he could. It just seems too convenient, and Bret was always one of those kayfabe til the bitter end guys.

 

[Dave]

I just don’t get this! At the end of the day, Bryan Danielson is not working for the WWE and he wont be working for them until his 90 day release is still standing. Of course, it would have made a lot of sense for them to reveal Danielson as the mystery 7th man. In fact, I would be lying if I said that I didn’t think that is who they were going to reveal. However, the more I thought about it, the less I believed it to be true. Bret Hart was just as good of a reveal as Danielson would have been and I must admit that I marked out as I heard his theme hit the arena.

As for the match itself, I don’t see Bret Hart doing much and that is where the difference may lie. We all saw what happened at WrestleMania and I think we are all keen to see no repeat of that. However, I don’t think Hart will have a great deal to do in the match and inserting Danielson into that match would have likely made it a little more competitive. However, if the talk of the town is to be believed and this is a set up for John Cena to turn heel, then Bret Hart is the idea candidate for this match. I have seen so many different posts that talk about it coming down to the Nexus against Bret Hart and John Cena at SummerSlam, only for Cena to betray Hart and turn heel. Now, if Hart was not the person in the match and Danielson was, the same outcome would not be achieved.

When Danielson left the company, he was a heel and Cena attacking him would not have nearly the same payoff as an attack on the icon that is Bret Hart. Hart is so over as a face that if Cena is to attack Hart, it will definitely have a better overall result. I don’t see that happening personally and I still believe that Hart is a good pick for this match. It allows the fans to see him again and it allows Hart to get some retribution on the guys who put him out for a while. To be honest, it makes little to no difference to me.

 

[Prax]

I really don't understand why so many people are picking Bret... no matter the circumstance, I would ALWAYS pick one of the best wrestlers in the world, over a 55 year old man with health issues.

As for the argument that he belongs with Nexus, remember, they kicked him off in-storyline for having remorse. So he could want revenge, to get back at Barrett, and in interviews him and Cena have always expressed respect for each other.

Edge and Cena beat the shit out of each other for years and they're on the same team. Cena and Orton have teamed before. I'm sure they can find a way to justify teaming Danielson and Cena together.

In any case, they won't hire him back until his 90-days are up, so Bret was the only logical choice TBH. But I would definitely pick Danielson if it was a viable option.

 

[timber123]

people need to stop riding daniel bryan co.ck we serious here WWE picked someone who can get ratings in Bret Hart. No one gives a flying efff about Bryan. I dont want see him peroid made him go 0-10 for a reason. Hart makes more sense because Nexus basically tried to kill him. Bourne makes sense. Henry makes sense u can even add Kofi and Cody to that list. There a bunch of guys that could been the 7th man. Bryan spit Cena face , got fired from Nexus he can work by himself get beat down for I care. Hart will barely be wrestling against Nexus.

Got believe he will either turn or be a guy that gets the pinfall. Because all the attacks all the beat downs . I have to believe WWE is winning at Summerslam with most likely Cena Jericho Edge Morrison truth doing most the work

 

[secret titan]

I wish it would have been Bryan as well. I know I watch wrestling mainly for the action, and that's something that The Hitman can't do as well as he used to. He should have been more of a manager of the team. Bryan is young, athletic, and can put on a better show.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I really don't understand why so many people are picking Bret... no matter the circumstance, I would ALWAYS pick one of the best wrestlers in the world, over a 55 year old man with health issues.

Why pick Bret? He had a huge role in this storyline. The NEXUS (kayfabe) destroyed the guy in a rather violent fashion. Did you want his part of the storyline to end there? Bret Hart is way too big of a name to just have his part of this feud end without some kind of retribution.

As for the argument that he belongs with Nexus, remember, they kicked him off in-storyline for having remorse. So he could want revenge, to get back at Barrett, and in interviews him and Cena have always expressed respect for each other.

Danielson can want revenge, but that doesn't mean Cena and company would want him on their team. Remember, in WWE terms, he is a no-shit rookie. He isn't considered one of the best wrestlers in the world, but instead a guy who just lost on a rookie vs. rookie competition program. John Cena has expressed respect for the guy, but that wasn't in the realm of kayfabe. In the WWE, he is nothing. With the WWE, Danielson wasn't built up as one of the best in the world, so why would they treat him like that by giving him a spot on this team?

Edge and Cena beat the shit out of each other for years and they're on the same team. Cena and Orton have teamed before. I'm sure they can find a way to justify teaming Danielson and Cena together.

Edge, Cena, Jericho, etc., those are all established guys. Established guys who, among the eyes of the WWE audience, are the best in the business fighting for their company. Danielson (kayfabe) was never a WWE employee. Hell, he wasn't even on a main roster. Cena and Edge, for example, know exactly what the other is capable of. I don't think (once again, kayfabe-wise) they feel the same way about Danielson. He's not nearly the star in WWE that he was elsewhere, and some people need to accept that.

 

[Prax]

Why pick Bret? He had a huge role in this storyline. The NEXUS (kayfabe) destroyed the guy in a rather violent fashion. Did you want his part of the storyline to end there? Bret Hart is way too big of a name to just have his part of this feud end without some kind of retribution.

And this means he has to be a wrestler? That he has to actually compete? He's not a wrestler, he could come in as a manager or something of that nature.

Danielson can want revenge, but that doesn't mean Cena and company would want him on their team. Remember, in WWE terms, he is a no-shit rookie. He isn't considered one of the best wrestlers in the world, but instead a guy who just lost on a rookie vs. rookie competition program. John Cena has expressed respect for the guy, but that wasn't in the realm of kayfabe. In the WWE, he is nothing. With the WWE, Danielson wasn't built up as one of the best in the world, so why would they treat him like that by giving him a spot on this team?

Kayfabe is dead. With the internet, social media and the way the wwe does business and who it markets to, the lines between what's real and what's in-character have once again been blurred. Michael Cole and his interractions with Danielson is perfect proof of that.

It would be incredibly easy to justify Danielson joining Cena's team. He did what he did that one night, but he was kicked out of Nexus, apologized to Cena and asked him to help him seek revenge on his former NXT colleague. And he's a much more believable teammate than a 55-year-old stroke victim.

On NXT, Danielson was built as an experienced professional who had competed all over the world and gained fame and notoriety. But regardless of that, it's not even about him being the best in the world in storyline, it's about him being a better wrestler than the senior citizen version of bret hart.

Moreover, why would he have to be the best in the world to gain access to Cena's team? They're going up against 7 rookies, who have been built as such but still draw into the main event and still get build in a way that presents them as a legitimate threat to the main eventers...

Edge, Cena, Jericho, etc., those are all established guys. Established guys who, among the eyes of the WWE audience, are the best in the business fighting for their company. Danielson (kayfabe) was never a WWE employee. Hell, he wasn't even on a main roster. Cena and Edge, for example, know exactly what the other is capable of. I don't think (once again, kayfabe-wise) they feel the same way about Danielson. He's not nearly the star in WWE that he was elsewhere, and some people need to accept that.

The way you're wording it is as if you think (kayfabe) that Edge and Cena knowing each other would make it easier for them to work together... if anything it would make Cena question Edge even more. Danielson was always pushed as having respect and integrity as a wrestler and performer, and it would be incredibly easy to introduce a relationship between him and cena.

Regardless of how well he's known in the WWE universe or as a WWE employee, he's known, and WWE had enough faith in him to make him a focal point of seaosn 1 of NXT regardless of his win/loss record.

But the point here is that, simply put, Danielson would make for a better match than having Bret come in, lock in the sharpshooter and go over one of the rookies. There's really no way to refute that.

 

[Sting's Bat]

When Brett Hart was revealed as the last member of the Cena stable my heart sunk because frankly he cant perform in the ring anymore. So i ask why is he going to be involved in a angle where over the course of the next month alot of bumps are gonna be traded between teams and he cant really take bumps anymore.

If anything it makes the Nexus seem even stronger considering this is the best Cena could have put together. I mean is Evan Bourne busy or something?

Also both Truth and Morrision are in active fueds atm meaning they will be fighting a 2 front war during this storyline.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

And this means he has to be a wrestler? That he has to actually compete? He's not a wrestler, he could come in as a manager or something of that nature.

No, he doesn't have to wrestle, but it's in his character. Bret Hart doesn't "manage" people to take care of his business. Look, I understand he can't perform anymore. I get it. If this were another one-on-one match, at a PPV, featuring Bret vs. anyone, I would agree with you. But it isn't. It's a 7-on-7 match. He needs to wrap up his end of the deal in this situation, so I'm not sure why this is such a problem.

Kayfabe is dead. With the internet, social media and the way the wwe does business and who it markets to, the lines between what's real and what's in-character have once again been blurred. Michael Cole and his interractions with Danielson is perfect proof of that.

Kayfabe is most certainly not dead. Maybe to us smarks it seems dead, but not to most of the WWE audience. A lot of the audience doesn't read wrestlezone. They don't look at spoilers, etc., etc. They are there, enjoying the illusion that is pro wrestling. I mean Jesus Christ, the WWE was upset that The Undertakers wedding photos were released. Kayfabe is still alive and kicking.

It would be incredibly easy to justify Danielson joining Cena's team. He did what he did that one night, but he was kicked out of Nexus, apologized to Cena and asked him to help him seek revenge on his former NXT colleague. And he's a much more believable teammate than a 55-year-old stroke victim.

The problem is; we never saw any of that. If they wanted to do something like that, they would have needed to let the audience in (at least a little bit) to see how it all went down. Why should anyone care? I like Danielson, but most of the WWE audience doesn't care about the guy. Outside of indy fans, and IWC people, no one cares.

On NXT, Danielson was built as an experienced professional who had competed all over the world and gained fame and notoriety.

True, that's kind of how he was built. He also lost just about every match he had. Granted, he faced some really good wrestlers, but he was pinned by other rookies as well.

But regardless of that, it's not even about him being the best in the world in storyline, it's about him being a better wrestler than the senior citizen version of bret hart.

Yes, he's a better wrestler, at this stage in both mens lives, than Bret Hart. But that doesn't mean he fits with the WWE team. There has been zero indication that he belongs on the Raw team, or has made a (kayfabe) effort to join them. It would be a little late to the dance.

Moreover, why would he have to be the best in the world to gain access to Cena's team? They're going up against 7 rookies, who have been built as such but still draw into the main event and still get build in a way that presents them as a legitimate threat to the main eventers...

Very true, can't argue that.

The way you're wording it is as if you think (kayfabe) that Edge and Cena knowing each other would make it easier for them to work together... if anything it would make Cena question Edge even more.

Usually, you would be correct. But these are extreme circumstances. Cena has seen the NEXUS beat the hell out of Edge. He knows Edge has no chance but to join with the WWE team. Edge doesn't have another hand to play in this scenario.

Danielson was always pushed as having respect and integrity as a wrestler and performer, and it would be incredibly easy to introduce a relationship between him and cena.

Maybe a few months ago, if he hadn't been fired. If he had been around to ask Cena to forgive him, let him join the team, I could buy into it. But I don't think I can buy into it all happening "behind the scenes."

Regardless of how well he's known in the WWE universe or as a WWE employee, he's known, and WWE had enough faith in him to make him a focal point of seaosn 1 of NXT regardless of his win/loss record.

True. But they didn't have enough faith in him to make him the leader of NEXUS. At that point in time, among WWE fans, he was no more known/popular than Wade Barrett.

But the point here is that, simply put, Danielson would make for a better match than having Bret come in, lock in the sharpshooter and go over one of the rookies. There's really no way to refute that.

Can Danielson put on a better match today? No question. But he doesn't fit in this storyline, siding with the Raw crew. It just doesn't make any sense. You are asking to see a specific wrestler in the ring over finishing a storyline. It doesn't make any sense. I get that a lot of people do not want to watch Bret wrestle again. After this match, I will be on that same bandwagon. But he needs to finish out this storyline. Bret Hart isn't a "manager." Even with the health problems, he's a fighter. And I'm confident this is his last hoorah.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

It would be so great if Nexus took out Great Kahli because he's the "biggest threat" and they had to replace him at the last minute. It would be even cooler if the replacement was Daniel Bryan, since he was written out for "caring too much". He could come back pissed off at Nexus and join up with Team Cena. Maybe if they decide Cena is going to turn heel and join the Nexus, Bryan could rejoin Nexus at the same time, and then Cena could reveal that Bryan was actually brought back by Nexus to convince Cena to join up with them, and it worked. Either way, Bryan is still a hell of a lot better than Kahli or Bret Hart in the match. Even if Hart does make sense from a creative standpoint...

 

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

I hadnt thought of it BUT having Bret hart be behind Nexus is absolutly the perfect scenario..I mean he could turn on team cena,...Why? it would be the PERFECT way for him to get back at Vince for dumping him as GM, and for the fiasco years ago..run havoc on the company that destroyed your career...it would , be AWSOME!!

Jay

 

[Prax]

No, he doesn't have to wrestle, but it's in his character. Bret Hart doesn't "manage" people to take care of his business. Look, I understand he can't perform anymore. I get it. If this were another one-on-one match, at a PPV, featuring Bret vs. anyone, I would agree with you. But it isn't. It's a 7-on-7 match. He needs to wrap up his end of the deal in this situation, so I'm not sure why this is such a problem.

So it justifies taking a spot away from a guy with an actual WWE future just because of his character? They could easily bring him back as part of the storyline without having him wrestle by saying that he hasn't been medically cleared because of the attack. Even at that, he could still get physically involved at the PPV.

Kayfabe is most certainly not dead. Maybe to us smarks it seems dead, but not to most of the WWE audience. A lot of the audience doesn't read wrestlezone. They don't look at spoilers, etc., etc. They are there, enjoying the illusion that is pro wrestling. I mean Jesus Christ, the WWE was upset that The Undertakers wedding photos were released. Kayfabe is still alive and kicking.

Kayfabe is dead (since we like bolding single words so much). Just because they don't read the spoilers or visit WZ forums doesn't mean about 99% of people who watch WWE don't know wrestling is fake. Even if they don't read WZ, a lot of them probably follow Cena or Jericho or Miz on twitter, or see them at a live event or signing and see them out of character.

Kayfabe died in the 90s, regardless of whatever kind of mirage Vince (or you) tries to put up.

The problem is; we never saw any of that. If they wanted to do something like that, they would have needed to let the audience in (at least a little bit) to see how it all went down. Why should anyone care? I like Danielson, but most of the WWE audience doesn't care about the guy. Outside of indy fans, and IWC people, no one cares.

Why do they have to see it? That makes literally no sense. All they have to do is run a promo. You didn't see the Undertaker get vegetated, but it's a major WWE storyline!

And ya, believe it or not, people do care about Danielson. He was getting pops on NXT, from the same people that allegedly don't read WZ.

True, that's kind of how he was built. He also lost just about every match he had. Granted, he faced some really good wrestlers, but he was pinned by other rookies as well.

So what? They still pushed him as a good wrestler who just got on a bad streak. Even with all those loses he was fairly high on some of the pro polls.

Yes, he's a better wrestler, at this stage in both mens lives, than Bret Hart. But that doesn't mean he fits with the WWE team. There has been zero indication that he belongs on the Raw team, or has made a (kayfabe) effort to join them. It would be a little late to the dance.

Again, they can justify it with a simple promo between Cena and Danielson. One interview. Nexus kicked him out, so he's mad, apologized to Cena and got the anonymous GM to offer him a contract.

Easy as 1-2-3.

Very true, can't argue that.

Usually, you would be correct. But these are extreme circumstances. Cena has seen the NEXUS beat the hell out of Edge. He knows Edge has no chance but to join with the WWE team. Edge doesn't have another hand to play in this scenario.

But that doesn't mean that in character there could be some tension between the two, or have Edge question whether he wants to be part of the team or whatever.

Maybe a few months ago, if he hadn't been fired. If he had been around to ask Cena to forgive him, let him join the team, I could buy into it. But I don't think I can buy into it all happening "behind the scenes."

Why not? Cena has twitter, he has a cell phone (which he's shown on the air on RAW a few times, since you're obsessed with actually seeing something to believe that it happened), a mailing address even. Cena doesn't live at the arenas, sleep in the production trucks. He has a life outside of WWE, and it's EASILY justifiable that they could run into each other in the 160 hours that WWE cameras aren't running during a single week.

True. But they didn't have enough faith in him to make him the leader of NEXUS. At that point in time, among WWE fans, he was no more known/popular than Wade Barrett.

He was, and I'll continue to argue that against your point that WWE fans are ignorant to anything that doesn't happen on WWE TV.

Of course he isn't the leader... he didn't win and he wasn't a heel... i don't even understand how that's relevant to him being able to come back as part of team Cena.

Can Danielson put on a better match today? No question. But he doesn't fit in this storyline, siding with the Raw crew. It just doesn't make any sense. You are asking to see a specific wrestler in the ring over finishing a storyline. It doesn't make any sense. I get that a lot of people do not want to watch Bret wrestle again. After this match, I will be on that same bandwagon. But he needs to finish out this storyline. Bret Hart isn't a "manager." Even with the health problems, he's a fighter. And I'm confident this is his last hoorah.

Once again, it makes total sense, regardless of the fact that you're ignoring his involvement with NXT and Nexus for months now. He's part of it, and he has a reason to get back at Nexus and even side with RAW. It makes total sense.

Bret was a general manager for months, but no, he's a wrestler... he has to fight... ya, that's what makes total sense in this entire argument...

And by the way, his "last hoorah" was supposed to be at WrestleMania.