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Daniel Bryan Wrestlemania 30 Theory

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Greetings All, I joined this forum specifically to post this thread because I'm dying to know the IWC's thoughts on this theory...

It is common knowledge that Batista was originally slated to face Randy Orton in the main event of Wrestlemania 30 much to the bewilderment of nearly every member of the IWC and any fan who knows anything about booking. It is also common knowledge that CM Punk was going to face Triple H at the event. With Daniel Bryan being the hottest star in the company by far, and with Triple H being his biggest rival in what was a historic feud, my question was: What in the world were they going to do with Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania 30? I find it completely mind boggling that they would not only leave Bryan out of the main event, but that they would also not put him against Triple H. That would be an unprecedented display of bad booking that would have been so incompetent and senseless that I do indeed find it to be impossible. Therefore, I have a theory:

The IWC has been wrong this entire time. The plan was always to have Daniel Bryan vs. Batista vs. Randy Orton. The reason why CM Punk, the talent, and the IWC are unaware of this is because the upper brass wanted to keep it a secret for storyline reasons. Because as you recall, Daniel Bryan was inserted into the main event gradually over time in the storyline i.e. "Boycott Raw." I originally was going to ask the question, "What were they going to do with Daniel Bryan?" but instead, I present to you this theory. So, my new question to you wrestling fans is: Do you believe this theory holds weight? Why or why not?
 
Your theory may hold weight, but I really don't think it's the case. That said, I have no idea what they were going to do with Bryan. I remember reading a rumor that Sheamus was going to turn heel and it would be some sort of WM rematch between Bryan and Sheamus. That rumor was probably not true, but it's the only thing I recall reading. Other than that, maybe they were just going to throw him in the Andre the Giant Battle Royal. Or maybe they were going to do something with him and Kane to cap off their Team Hell No breakup feud. Because I believe the WWE changed their Shield break-up plans, so for all we know, The Shield wasn't originally going to feud with Kane into Mania. Who knows.
 
No, Daniel Bryan was originally slated to face Sheamus at WrestleMania 30. I think Sheamus was going to turn heel at or the night after Elimination Chamber and set up the feud with Bryan. They ultimately nixed that idea once CM Punk left, Batista flopped, and it became clear that they had to have Bryan in the main event.
 
Yes, I believe that Daniel Bryan was originally planned for the main event all along. The entire second half of 2013 revolved around getting him in that spot. I never bought into the rumor of Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus. That would be like putting Steve Austin against Faarooq at WM14. No disrespect to Faarrooq or Sheamus. They're talented wrestlers but were not in a position to go against the most popular guy in the company at mania.

How could Bryan not have been the original plan? When is the last time someone was as hot as he was? All the storylines of holding him back were meant to get him over even more. With the internet's effect on kayfabe WWE has to use new ways to work the fans so they probably use the dirt sheets to their advantage from time to time. It's nice to see fans can still be worked in the information era. Of course I could be wrong on all of this but I like to think Vince and company aren't that stupid.
 
Anyone that thinks that Daniel Bryan wasn't slotted for WM30 to be the champ must have started watching wrestling at WM30.

Anyone who thinks that Daniel Bryan's struggle to get to the main event was planned is giving WWE way too much credit. This was not a master plan. They fucked up and changed on the fly. Many sources who worked for WWE at the time have confirmed plans were for Bryan/Sheamus. Even recently CM Punk confirmed that it was Orton/Batista as the original main event, and Punk/HHH, not Bryan.
 
Anyone who thinks that Daniel Bryan's struggle to get to the main event was planned is giving WWE way too much credit. This was not a master plan. They fucked up and changed on the fly. Many sources who worked for WWE at the time have confirmed plans were for Bryan/Sheamus. Even recently CM Punk confirmed that it was Orton/Batista as the original main event, and Punk/HHH, not Bryan.

So, the WWE and professional wrestling as a whole employs the use of fantasy, called "Kayfabe." Using this "kayfabe" they "work" audiences into believing a made up storyline.

The Authority isn't real, HHH is widely regarded in the wrestling world as being insightful and quite brilliant, and he's also one of the most talented heels.

What's more likely? They planned all along to make Daniel Bryan the champ, all the while making it look like they weren't going to, making a reality TV show involving him and his fiance, and basically made a whole story line, or the fact that about 100 internet nerds got really mad about HHH being a tyrant and complained so loudly that the WWE in a completely unprecedented move decided to listen to 100 fat internet nerds and changed their booking?
 
The only time I doubted Bryan being in the main-event was around the Rumble. Call me stupid but I didn't really think of a way of Bryan getting in the main-event. In reality, the fans taking over was absolutely wonderful.

The Sheamus thing could easily just have been leaked to work the fans. To really make people think that they were going to screw over Bryan.

He was given a massive push. He was constantly opening and closing shows and had massive moments. Beating Cena clean. Beating Orton clean. Being screwed out the belt before making HBK look like his bitch. Teaming with Punk too. There was a huge amount of time devoted to him and they weren't going to just through away his Championship victory at some random PPV.

There are other things. Like at the Rumble; didn't the cameras specifically pick up pissed off looking fans. You honestly think there weren't happy Batista fans at the Rumble. Or indeed, that the WWE couldn't have simply avoided focusing on fans.

Of course, I could be wrong. I don't think it's impossible to say we could have seen Bryan/Cena against The Wyatt Family. Indeed, that or Cena/Bryan with The Shield facing The Wyatt Family. Maybe they genuinely did want Orton/Batista in the main-event but that just doesn't follow logic. You don't build someone up that match (especially an underdog) for them not to get their moment.
 
So, the WWE and professional wrestling as a whole employs the use of fantasy, called "Kayfabe." Using this "kayfabe" they "work" audiences into believing a made up storyline.

The Authority isn't real, HHH is widely regarded in the wrestling world as being insightful and quite brilliant, and he's also one of the most talented heels.

What's more likely? They planned all along to make Daniel Bryan the champ, all the while making it look like they weren't going to, making a reality TV show involving him and his fiance, and basically made a whole story line, or the fact that about 100 internet nerds got really mad about HHH being a tyrant and complained so loudly that the WWE in a completely unprecedented move decided to listen to 100 fat internet nerds and changed their booking?

This company gets in it's own way almost on a weekly basis. Last week's RAW is a great example of this. It's far more plausible that they made a mistake, expecting a returning Batista to get over, than it is they pulled off some elaborate plan where they were working dirtsheets, and working other wrestlers and employees backstage. And where does this 100 fat internet nerds come from? 15,000-20,000 fans on a nightly basis telling you they don't want what you're selling is hardly a bunch of internet nerds.

What's more likely is that a company who has relied on part time stars to sell WrestleMania for the previous three years, legitimately believed that Batista's comeback would get over. They gave Batista the spot because they honestly thought he would be a huge babyface and sell WrestleMania. He is a big guy, he is friends with HHH, and he had some mainstream exposure outside of WWE even prior to Guardians of the Galaxy. They bet on him, and they were wrong, they were getting shit on every night and would have risked "Randy Savage", "This is awful" and "Jerry Lawler" chants in their WrestleMania main event. But fortunately for them they were smart enough to correct this.
 
This company gets in it's own way almost on a weekly basis. Last week's RAW is a great example of this. It's far more plausible that they made a mistake, expecting a returning Batista to get over, than it is they pulled off some elaborate plan where they were working dirtsheets, and working other wrestlers and employees backstage. And where does this 100 fat internet nerds come from? 15,000-20,000 fans on a nightly basis telling you they don't want what you're selling is hardly a bunch of internet nerds.

What's more likely is that a company who has relied on part time stars to sell WrestleMania for the previous three years, legitimately believed that Batista's comeback would get over. They gave Batista the spot because they honestly thought he would be a huge babyface and sell WrestleMania. He is a big guy, he is friends with HHH, and he had some mainstream exposure outside of WWE even prior to Guardians of the Galaxy. They bet on him, and they were wrong, they were getting shit on every night and would have risked "Randy Savage", "This is awful" and "Jerry Lawler" chants in their WrestleMania main event. But fortunately for them they were smart enough to correct this.

Great points, and I still stand behind my theory, but what about this:

Is it possible that it was BOTH? They did bet on Batista and expect him to sell Mania, but they had a Plan B locked and loaded just in case he didn't completely explode? Like, "If after the Rumble, Batista isn't super over, we'll add Bryan?" Again, I still think Bryan was the plan all along, but this is almost a "sub-theory" if you will.
 
The rumored plan was Bryan vs Sheamus
The real plan looked like Bryan vs Bray - i assume it wasn't planned to last Bryan Wyatt story for only 1 week, and it should culminated at Mania, where Bryan should become finally "free" again. But Punk and massive fans opinion voicing happened and Bryan replaced Punk and was added to the main event.

If somebody still think WWE were so smart and had a masterplan, you wrong, WWE was forced by Punk and fans to run with Bryan, they tryed to make Bryan less popular on purpose more than 1 time before RR (they even turned the guy heel and didn't feature him in RR match at all), and replace him with Batista as a top face, to only get a massive backlash on their actions. If there wasn't backlash back then, right now Bryan will probably be a jobber doing stuff with Bunny and Santino and dream about quitting.
So i credit every WWE fan around the world who supported Bryan and CM Punk for making me interested in WM30 and continue to watch WWE, because i really wanted to quit if Batista/Orton was their main event and Bryan lost to Sheamus or HHH.
 
Hmm, I am not too sure about much to do with this match in all honesty. Forgetting about CM Punk and Daniel Bryan for a second, I just do not understand why in the hell Batista won the damn Royal Rumble in the first place. That just did not make any sense to me (none of Batista's booking did to be fair), and while that may just be my opinion, I do not believe that the WWE truthfully believed that Randy Orton vs. Batista for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship was not only a good enough main event for a WrestleMania, but WrestleMania XXX, a major milestone event. That does not quite sit with me, but hey, I could be wrong.

So with that in mind, I would agree with what you are saying in that Daniel Bryan was always in the main event. I suppose CM Punk vs. Triple H would have happened and the Triple Threat Match would have happened as well. You are right in that Daniel was far too over and far too talented to just waste the opportunity.

Having said that... WWE's booking has proven time and time again that quite frankly anything is possible, and that is not meant in a good way. Is it possible that Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus and Randy Orton vs. Batista were discussed? Absolutely. Is it possible that somebody somewhere in the WWE believe these matches were actually going to happen? Again, absolutely. Luckily for us, we got the right WrestleMania XXX card, so whatever was the case backstage, it does not really matter.
 
HHH intentionally put over one of his friends so that the IWC nerds would rage all over it. /r/squaredcircle would shit itself, and more people than ever would tune in to cheer on Daniel Bryan, and it worked perfectly. That's why Dave Batista was booked to win the RR.

I will say that Daniel Bryan probably just wasn't booked for the Rumble, I don't think that was part of the plan to get Rey booed.
 
I believe WWE believed that returning Batista as a top face winning the Rumble and going after Orton should work well with fans and will give them more recognition.
Because 1 year prior they had Rock vs Cena and people bought it, so they figured they will take their another big past star from Hollywood, give him the belt and people will love it, especially since Orton/Batista had a history.
The plan also included to get Batista back in Hollywood with the belt to get media attention. This was their major reason to put belt on Big Dave and their real masterplan, because money. So Batista was planned as the winner all along.
BTW you all saw what supposed to be original WM main event on RAW 6 days before Bryan's triumph.
 
Hmm, I am not too sure about much to do with this match in all honesty. Forgetting about CM Punk and Daniel Bryan for a second, I just do not understand why in the hell Batista won the damn Royal Rumble in the first place. That just did not make any sense to me (none of Batista's booking did to be fair), and while that may just be my opinion, I do not believe that the WWE truthfully believed that Randy Orton vs. Batista for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship was not only a good enough main event for a WrestleMania, but WrestleMania XXX, a major milestone event. That does not quite sit with me, but hey, I could be wrong.

So with that in mind, I would agree with what you are saying in that Daniel Bryan was always in the main event. I suppose CM Punk vs. Triple H would have happened and the Triple Threat Match would have happened as well. You are right in that Daniel was far too over and far too talented to just waste the opportunity.

Having said that... WWE's booking has proven time and time again that quite frankly anything is possible, and that is not meant in a good way. Is it possible that Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus and Randy Orton vs. Batista were discussed? Absolutely. Is it possible that somebody somewhere in the WWE believe these matches were actually going to happen? Again, absolutely. Luckily for us, we got the right WrestleMania XXX card, so whatever was the case backstage, it does not really matter.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Great perspective! Wrestlemania 30 is way too much of a milestone event for them to be that stupid.
 
I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Great perspective! Wrestlemania 30 is way too much of a milestone event for them to be that stupid.

You would think that but Royal Rumble was basically ruined because Bryan wasn't in the Rumble.

I do believe Batista vs. Orton was the plan all along. If they were planning to insert Bryan to the main event he probably would have been inserted at The Rumble perhaps forced to draw #1, to make it to the end only to get screwed over to create heat and advance the story.
 
You would think that but Royal Rumble was basically ruined because Bryan wasn't in the Rumble.

I do believe Batista vs. Orton was the plan all along. If they were planning to insert Bryan to the main event he probably would have been inserted at The Rumble perhaps forced to draw #1, to make it to the end only to get screwed over to create heat and advance the story.


Not necessarily, because that heat would then fall on Batista, which isn't what they wanted. They wanted Batista to be a face. So by screwing Bryan the way you describe, Batista would become the fallback and receive the venom of the fans (which happened anyway, true, but they didn't expect that). I believe they wanted two faces and one heel.

Also, one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet....if they didn't plan this all along, then why bother having Bryan win? You could have put Bryan in the main event to appease the fans and draw their interest, and still have Batista go over. If they are so stubborn and stupid to plan to leave him off of the main event and not so much as even face HHH, then surely they would be stubborn and stupid enough to have him lose the main event. So by having him win the main event, this is further evidence that it was planned all along.
 
Interesting theory, but I just can't believe they had such an elaborate plan. On the one hand, Daniel Bryan not being in the rumble at all makes it hard for me to think they originally planned on him being the focal point of Mania. I might have believed it if they hadn't sent out Rey at number 30. Plenty of people said Bad News Barrett would have been perfect because it would have drawn heat on him since the people wanted Bryan, but, the fact that they sent Rey out like that makes me think they had no clue it would've been that bad. On the flip side, I don't know if this is just coincidence or not, but the big Manias have always seemed to have the underdog get his big moment, at 10 it was Bret (compared to Yoko and Lex, I'd say he was the underdog to walk out with the belt), at 20 it was Benoit (against HBK/HHH) and at 30 it was Bryan.
 
The point was to intentionally make it LOOK like the plan was never to have Bryan in the ME at WM30. That was HHH's goal the entire time.
 
Interesting theory, but I just can't believe they had such an elaborate plan. On the one hand, Daniel Bryan not being in the rumble at all makes it hard for me to think they originally planned on him being the focal point of Mania. I might have believed it if they hadn't sent out Rey at number 30. Plenty of people said Bad News Barrett would have been perfect because it would have drawn heat on him since the people wanted Bryan, but, the fact that they sent Rey out like that makes me think they had no clue it would've been that bad. On the flip side, I don't know if this is just coincidence or not, but the big Manias have always seemed to have the underdog get his big moment, at 10 it was Bret (compared to Yoko and Lex, I'd say he was the underdog to walk out with the belt), at 20 it was Benoit (against HBK/HHH) and at 30 it was Bryan.

I still don't see the connection between the Royal Rumble and my theory. Because Batista would have needed the Rumble to enter the main event, but Bryan wouldn't. Bryan would get in through storyline. So if Bryan would have lost the Rumble anyway, then what difference does it make if he's in it or not? In fact, it makes all the more sense to leave him off because all that does is make the undercard stronger by having your most popular star featured only in the undercard.

Having said that, I'm not going to act like I was not flabbergasted that he was not in the Rumble at the time. But in hindsight, I think that it was all a part of the elaborate plan.
 
I still don't see the connection between the Royal Rumble and my theory. Because Batista would have needed the Rumble to enter the main event, but Bryan wouldn't. Bryan would get in through storyline. So if Bryan would have lost the Rumble anyway, then what difference does it make if he's in it or not? In fact, it makes all the more sense to leave him off because all that does is make the undercard stronger by having your most popular star featured only in the undercard.

Having said that, I'm not going to act like I was not flabbergasted that he was not in the Rumble at the time. But in hindsight, I think that it was all a part of the elaborate plan.

Good point on batitsta needing it to get in but not Bryan, but, I just think it was the way Bryan was left off of it that makes it suspect to me. I think if they were planning on doing more with Bryan despite him not being in the Rumble, they would have done more to highlight the fact that he's not in the Rumble. Although, truth be told I don't remember too much else about him during that time since it was a while ago now, but it just seemed like most signs pointed to them actually not giving a shit about him rather than grooming him to highlight the biggest even of the year.
 
I think that the plan at the start of the year was to stretch out the Daniel Wyatt storyline all the way up until the weeks leading up to Mania and then have it culminate in Bryan vs Bray Wyatt at WrestleMania. Since Bryan wasn't getting the heat WWE expected and he was still getting beloved babyface reactions, those plans were scrapped within a week and then Bray vs Bryan happened at the Royal Rumble. Then I think the next plan was to have Bryan take on a heel Sheamus at Mania since that was the big rumor around Mania season after the Rumble, but after the crowd's insanely negative reaction to Batista, that was scrapped as well.

I highly doubt WWE planned for Bryan to win the title in the main event at the start. It was just a case of WWE putting too much stock in a Batista comeback and having it backfire so bad that they needed a replacement babyface. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Bryan's main event spot wouldn't have gone to Punk had he not left. He could still face HHH in the same night and get his Mania moment in the same manner that Bryan did. But they didn't have any strong enough stars to replace Batista with Punk gone. The only other option would have been Cena and he gets a mixed reaction as is. I think WWE wanted a more decisive babyface reaction to close out the 30th Anniversary and the only other option, and the best option consider the momentum he rode on at the time, was Daniel Bryan.
 
It's not out of the realm of possibility. I personally think that the odds are against it being true but, at the same time, we'll never really know for sure. What gives the idea that Bryan was always intended to be the main event at WrestleMania XXX some weight is the simple, 100% fact that both Vince and Triple H very much enjoy giving the collective internet wrestling community purple nurples from time to time. They've played internet fans like Hendrix played his Stratocaster in the past, they know just what to do or what to say to get under people's skins. Bryan is someone that fans genuinely wanna cheer for without being steered into it. They like him, they like his style, they like the energy, they like the fact that he's a "regular" guy with just the right amount of extraordinary without being over the top. They know how hard he's worked, how dedicated his is, how much he loves it and they don't particularly care that he's not some 250 pound Adonis. So seeing him get "screwed" over so repeatedly genuinely got under people's skins, including some of the hardest of hardcore smarks.

At the same time, if WWE did consider Bryan for the main event the entire time, they took a risky path to getting him there. A lot of wrestling fans can be fickle, a wrestler who was popular for a brief spell can find himself being booed or fans just generally losing interest in him. By taking Bryan out of the main event picture towards the end of the year, a we saw about this time last year, resulted in lousy buys for WWE ppvs and what may be the most lackluster feud for the WWE Championship in years: Randy Orton vs. Big Show. Thankfully, it was a short one but, nonetheless, it still resulted in lousy interest for a ppv.

WWE also kept Bryan out of the Royal Rumble match itself, and we all saw how that went down with fans hijacking the Rumble match itself once Punk was eliminated and once it was revealed that Daniel Bryan wasn't even in the match. You also have to consider what we know, or rather what we think we know, about Batista in that he's allegedly not somebody who enjoys playing second banana to wrestlers he thinks are inferior, and by inferior I mean smaller as he's criticized WWE's pushes of Bryan & CM Punk in the past. Batista was one of the biggest stars of the 2000s and one of the most dominant, so it's not at all illogical to think that Batista would only come back, even on a part time basis, unless he wouldn't be booked similarly. Plus, there are all the various reports alleging how unhappy Batista was with how he was being used since his return.

So yeah, while it's not impossible, I don't think it's all that likely. In my opinion, which is all it is, Vince McMahon seriously underestimated Daniel Bryan's popularity. Personally, I think it's a genuine example of Vince being out of touch with what fans want. I know it's something that Vince often gets accused of, but his underestimation of Bryan's popularity is an example that has some definite weight to it. Vince also thought that fans would be interested in a rehashed feud for the title, at the biggest show of the year no less, rather than seeing someone fresh, energetic and hadn't been so consistently pushed to the main event picture for years on end in the ways that Orton & Batista had. I think fan reaction to the Royal Rumble, Punk walking out and the immediate reaction to Batista winning the Rumble the next night on Raw finally got him to open his eyes; or to at least definitely reconsider. If that didn't, I think Bryan turning on Bray Wyatt on Raw in February and the MASSIVE reaction he got probably did.
 
It's not out of the realm of possibility. I personally think that the odds are against it being true but, at the same time, we'll never really know for sure. What gives the idea that Bryan was always intended to be the main event at WrestleMania XXX some weight is the simple, 100% fact that both Vince and Triple H very much enjoy giving the collective internet wrestling community purple nurples from time to time. They've played internet fans like Hendrix played his Stratocaster in the past, they know just what to do or what to say to get under people's skins. Bryan is someone that fans genuinely wanna cheer for without being steered into it. They like him, they like his style, they like the energy, they like the fact that he's a "regular" guy with just the right amount of extraordinary without being over the top. They know how hard he's worked, how dedicated his is, how much he loves it and they don't particularly care that he's not some 250 pound Adonis. So seeing him get "screwed" over so repeatedly genuinely got under people's skins, including some of the hardest of hardcore smarks.

At the same time, if WWE did consider Bryan for the main event the entire time, they took a risky path to getting him there. A lot of wrestling fans can be fickle, a wrestler who was popular for a brief spell can find himself being booed or fans just generally losing interest in him. By taking Bryan out of the main event picture towards the end of the year, a we saw about this time last year, resulted in lousy buys for WWE ppvs and what may be the most lackluster feud for the WWE Championship in years: Randy Orton vs. Big Show. Thankfully, it was a short one but, nonetheless, it still resulted in lousy interest for a ppv.

WWE also kept Bryan out of the Royal Rumble match itself, and we all saw how that went down with fans hijacking the Rumble match itself once Punk was eliminated and once it was revealed that Daniel Bryan wasn't even in the match. You also have to consider what we know, or rather what we think we know, about Batista in that he's allegedly not somebody who enjoys playing second banana to wrestlers he thinks are inferior, and by inferior I mean smaller as he's criticized WWE's pushes of Bryan & CM Punk in the past. Batista was one of the biggest stars of the 2000s and one of the most dominant, so it's not at all illogical to think that Batista would only come back, even on a part time basis, unless he wouldn't be booked similarly. Plus, there are all the various reports alleging how unhappy Batista was with how he was being used since his return.

So yeah, while it's not impossible, I don't think it's all that likely. In my opinion, which is all it is, Vince McMahon seriously underestimated Daniel Bryan's popularity. Personally, I think it's a genuine example of Vince being out of touch with what fans want. I know it's something that Vince often gets accused of, but his underestimation of Bryan's popularity is an example that has some definite weight to it. Vince also thought that fans would be interested in a rehashed feud for the title, at the biggest show of the year no less, rather than seeing someone fresh, energetic and hadn't been so consistently pushed to the main event picture for years on end in the ways that Orton & Batista had. I think fan reaction to the Royal Rumble, Punk walking out and the immediate reaction to Batista winning the Rumble the next night on Raw finally got him to open his eyes; or to at least definitely reconsider. If that didn't, I think Bryan turning on Bray Wyatt on Raw in February and the MASSIVE reaction he got probably did.

Very interesting take, sir. This to me is definitely a mystery and your post helped showcase why. You make an excellent case for this not being the plan all along...but for me, I still believe it was planned because Batista vs. Randy Orton notwithstanding, that still does not explain the inexplicable decision to have Punk face HHH instead of Bryan after their amazing feud. The only reason they would not put Bryan against Triple H is if he would be in the main event. I am also not buying the Sheamus rumor. No way, no how.
 
Daniel Bryan winning the world title was the plan for a long time, The WWE just likes to work their naive IWC audience and get them all worked up about him being held back only to overcome it all beating the evil boss holding him back and winning the title having the IWC create all the excitement and build up for them. WWE isn't always as stupid as we think it is but most of the IWC is.
 

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