Daniel Bryan: A Pathetic Excuse For Future Endeavoured...

[BigRedPunk]

I in all honesty agree with the OP almost completely. I guess I was fine with Daniel Bryan winning the MITB and even somewhat happy when he won the world title but now they have turned him into a generic cowardly heel. Daniel Bryan should still not have the World title anymore he should have lost it at the chamber or to Big Show the PPV before. He doesn't deserve to be in one of the main events of Wrestlemania that's for sure. He is a good wrestler but with only average mic skills (although he is better then Ziggler and a few others) and the whole advertising that he is a vegan and that the rest of us should be doesn't work and is annoying plus he hardly ever draws any heat. Cody Rhodes or even Wade Barrett deserve his spot on the W28 card a lot more then he does.

 

[Miz_Mark]

This is the problem with opinions, as the saying goes, everyone's got one...

Personally, I agree 100% with the idea that DB is a worthless champion. I cannot stand him. I get angry every time he appears on my TV, and not because he's a great heel that I want to see get beaten, but because he doesn't entertainment at all, and it infuriates me that he gets this spot versus people I'd love to see get a more prominent role. His in ring skills are quite good, although not, again in my opinion, as good as they are made out to be by his supporters, and in every other facet he is just atrocious.

Simply put, he bores the hell out of me and I have never been entertained by anything involving him.

But that's MY opinion, and I recognize that others differ in their views. I have a hard time wrapping my head around HOW people can be as in love with him as some people are, but everyone has different tastes.

Personally, I would love to see any of the men mentioned as being "held back" in a world champion role before DB, but then again I'd rather see David Arquette get a second run than DB, so that's not really saying much.

On the flip side, I see other posters lump DB and CM Punk together, and I couldn't disagree more. I love Punk and am so glad he's getting a good run on top. There you have it again, opinions vary all over the place, and saidly there is no way to "prove" one of our opinions as "right" versus the others.

 

[drobs85]

Daniel Bryan - Here is the best example of WWE not being all that great these days...I dont know what WWE saw in him that they made him win the MITB and then win the World title and finally letting him main event Wrestlemania...

I cant see a thing in him which makes him World champion...He rarely gets heat from the fans nor did he get great cheers when he was a face...People have no reaction when he comes out and i wont blame them because he's boring to the corre...His mic skills are pathetic...there is nothing interesting when he speaks...and his in-ring ability are just okay...He doesnt even look like a champion (which could have been excused if other things about him were cool)...

The Question is why did the wwe make him win mitb and then the title...There were many good contenders like Cody and Wade who could have won...They too are the part of the future and i'm sure they definitely would have done a better job...Others like The Miz, Christian and even Mark Henry have been held back to make way for him which doesnt make a lot of sense...

If at all(and i doubt a lot) wwe saw talent in him...an overall talent...then wwe should have given him a good run before making him the champion...I personally feel they have hurried him to the title...

No reaction, are you nuts? The crowd has been booing him like crazy. WTH you been watching. As far as his push they gave alot of the fans what they wanted a new champ besides the usual ones, that's my guess. The guy is getting better and better and I don't even like him but gotta give credit where it's due.

 

[Headman]

It should be noted that being a completely unworthy champion is the actual story of his title reign. That's how he's supposed to come off with the cheap victories and over blown celebrations. You are supposed to think Daniel Bryan is a weak champion and hate him for it. So you guys can say "Not because he's a great heel" all you want, but you've still been worked. You guys want cool heels and the WWE knows this. You'll cheer a cool heel over their baby face so why on earth would the WWE want that?

 

[slice_of_life]

WWE does not know how to book. As simple as that. I go through phases where I don't like wrestlers, but then the next month they've been booked a little better and i am all of the sudden a fan.

Any wrestler can make a credible and entertaining champion if booked properly. Bryan has all of the makings of a top-tier guy. Good on the mic, believable, and good in the ring.

I can't wait until he is drafted to RAW and feuds with Punk. The matches they have had the last couple of weeks were great. We'll see how big of a fan you are then.

 

[BigRedPunk]

It should be noted that being a completely unworthy champion is the actual story of his title reign. That's how he's supposed to come off with the cheap victories and over blown celebrations. You are supposed to think Daniel Bryan is a weak champion and hate him for it. So you guys can say "Not because he's a great heel" all you want, but you've still been worked. You guys want cool heels and the WWE knows this. You'll cheer a cool heel over their baby face so why on earth would the WWE want that?

If what you say is the truth then if no one likes him as a heel or doesn't even care he's not gonna make them any money. An unworthy champion isn't a good thing....

 

[Miz_Mark]

It should be noted that being a completely unworthy champion is the actual story of his title reign. That's how he's supposed to come off with the cheap victories and over blown celebrations. You are supposed to think Daniel Bryan is a weak champion and hate him for it. So you guys can say "Not because he's a great heel" all you want, but you've still been worked. You guys want cool heels and the WWE knows this. You'll cheer a cool heel over their baby face so why on earth would the WWE want that?

No, I hated him when he was a face too. And if you gave his exact gimmick to a performer I find entertaining, I would love it. Put a young Chris Jericho or Kurt Angle in this exact spot, and I mark out for it like a mad man and declare it to be the greatest thing ever. Don't be so arrogant as to assume that because I don't like someone who is a heel I've been worked.

In general, I prefer heels to faces. If pushing DB is supposed to get me to cheer for the faces he fights, it has failed, it has instead accomplished making me sit on my hands whenever he is present and get annoyed that I have to either sit through him on my TV or fast forward past performers I do enjoy.

 

[BaconBits]

I can't begin to count how many things are wrong with this nonsensical diatribe. Judging by this, you are clearly one of these spoonfed marks who eat up cheesy and ridiculous gimmick wrestlers like candy. The fact you called Punk and Bryan glorified jobbers is further proof you know as much about pro wrestling as Lindsey Lohan does about self control.

The reason WWE television numbers are down this era is two fold. One, we are in the video game generation. That industry has all but taken the young adult category away from not only wrestling but movies as well. Two, the product today caters to families and more specifically kids. That is a demographic that is not going to stick with the WWE all the time and will drift in and out of viewing it.

Posts like yours are everything that is wrong with folks who like to claim they are part of the IWC. You're not cooler for believing you understand the business better than anybody, you're just some dude who enjoys the current product better than some other people. And that's okay.

The majority of the actual crowd eats up cheesy gimmicks. Guys like Cena, The Rock, Austin, Hogan, Taker, you know, the icons of professional wrestling, all have gloriously cheesy gimmicks. I guess the majority of the audience is spoon fed too.

To me, Punk and Bryan are glorified jobbers. Punk less than Bryan, for sure, but neither will be a long term, sustaining star who moves the company into the future. The ratings pretty much prove this. Punk is pretty over, but the IWC seriously overrate how over. Bryan, even as a heel, just isn't over. People don't boo, they don't cheer, they do, well, nothing.

Like I said, Santino, yes, Santino the so-called comedy jobber, gets much, much bigger reactions than either champ. If you can't see this, then you're watching your wrestling with the sound off. If Santino is a jobber to IWC types, then what the fuck are Punk and Bryan?

Your reasons for the ratings being off are totally invalid. If the product was captivating, then more people would stop doing the other stuff they do and watch the the shows. All the excuses people try to justify the bad ratings are strawman arguments. It's been proven many times over, not only with wrestling, but in all facets of television, if the product being presented is captivating, people will watch regardless of other interests.

 

[trashboy]

I somewhat agree. I'm not a fan of Daniel Bryan, but I don't hate him either. I just think he should have never won the title, he's a midcarder at best. But to say Miz or Cody Rhodes would have been better is stupid. They're both just as boring, if not more boring than Daniel Bryan. I'd take Bryan's title reign over Miz' anyday. Miz and Cody, to me, are also midcarders and should never hold the belt. Even though Cody will eventually, and I'm sure Miz will get it back at some point. I think Wade Barret should have gotten the title before Bryan. Kind of funny how the leader of Nexus and The Corre hasn't gotten the gold yet, but a midcarder that gets kicked out of the the Nexus and fired from WWE ends up getting it.

 

[VencomHardcore]

Posts like yours are everything that is wrong with folks who like to claim they are part of the IWC. You're not cooler for believing you understand the business better than anybody, you're just some dude who enjoys the current product better than some other people. And that's okay.

The majority of the actual crowd eats up cheesy gimmicks. Guys like Cena, The Rock, Austin, Hogan, Taker, you know, the icons of professional wrestling, all have gloriously cheesy gimmicks. I guess the majority of the audience is spoon fed too.

To me, Punk and Bryan are glorified jobbers. Punk less than Bryan, for sure, but neither will be a long term, sustaining star who moves the company into the future. The ratings pretty much prove this. Punk is pretty over, but the IWC seriously overrate how over. Bryan, even as a heel, just isn't over. People don't boo, they don't cheer, they do, well, nothing.

Like I said, Santino, yes, Santino the so-called comedy jobber, gets much, much bigger reactions than either champ. If you can't see this, then you're watching your wrestling with the sound off. If Santino is a jobber to IWC types, then what the fuck are Punk and Bryan?

Your reasons for the ratings being off are totally invalid. If the product was captivating, then more people would stop doing the other stuff they do and watch the the shows. All the excuses people try to justify the bad ratings are strawman arguments. It's been proven many times over, not only with wrestling, but in all facets of television, if the product being presented is captivating, people will watch regardless of other interests.

LOL you must have not watched wrestling for long. Can you define a jobber ? And do you know what a glorified jobber is ? FYI, Iron Mike Sharpe was a glorified jobber. Punk and Bryan are not. And before you start with an elementary assessment of wrestling. Look up Iron Mike's Career in the WWE and territories to have an intelligent response.

You don't have to like DB or Punk. But what they do is written and booked by Creative. OH YOU FORGET WRESTLING IS SCRIPTED. They have to take whatever shit is handed to them and make sugar. And sometimes its very hard to do. SCSA had a very bad gimmick when he came to WWE. He knew it didn't work, Jim Ross knew it but Creative wouldn't budge until the 3:16 promo. And Stone Colds so called cheesy gimmick is who he is as a real person. That's exactly why he was over. Watch a few Legends of Wrestling Roundtables and interviews from good ole Jim Ross.

Comparing Santino to anyone on the roster is asinine. He is the comedy guy and will always be over. And wrestling has alot more to compete with than it did 10, 20 or so years ago. And they could have the most compelling product and still wouldn't draw the old numbers. Why ? Because the audience is into MMA , Video Games and Reality TV.

 

[slice_of_life]

Of course, the IWC is criticized in every thread. What makes this one different.

It's funny. The IWC likes Punk and Bryan because they are indie marks who followed their indie careers. And the haters dislike Punk and Bryan because of their cult-like status from the indies. The latter makes no sense.

The bottom line is: would you rather see the same old shit? Orton, Miz and Cena are all as boring Bryan--if not more so. I don't care who it is, the WWE needs to start pushing their talent otherwise the product will become redundant and they will have no one to replace their current megastars.

I am horribly bored by Justin Gabriel, but I love the fact that WWE has started pushing him, because it's what's best for the product-- developing their young stars.

 

[slice_of_life]

OH, and need an example of how bad booking can make good wrestlers look bad? Look no further than HHH pissing on Punk's fire in the fall.

Punk was the talk of the town and what happened? The WWE booked him horribly after MITB. I'm a big Punk fan, but have been terribly bored by him since Night of Champions, and it has absolutely nothing to do with him.

 

[midgensa]

This is just a weird thread to me.

Daniel Bryan has been surprisingly good as champion in my estimation. They tested a championship switch to him with the fake win over Henry and it was a HUGE reaction. So, they went with it when Henry was out and they did it fairly well. His heel turn has worked fairly well in my estimation.

To say DB gets no reaction is simply false. If you watch the shows, he gets pretty good heat on a regular basis. Sure, he is not drawing the Punk, Cena, HHH-type reactions. But his heat is as good as Mark Henry's ever was (I love Henry by the way, but just stating my observations from watching on TV and at live events).

The attacks on CM Punk are just crazy to me. He is great on the mic. He is good in the ring and he gets HUGE reactions. To act like he doesn't is just plain hate. He outsold Cena for a month, which is actually huge news. He is legitimately a top dog in the business right now, and if you think he is going anywhere soon, you are sorely mistaken and in for a long ride.

The bottom line is the WWE likes to make money. If these reigns were sooooo bad, they would not have lasted this long (remember, they have no problem taking a title off someone like Del Rio, Swagger, CM Punk previously if they are not getting their desired results).

I am just seriously baffled by the hate here. I could see not loving these guys like everyone else. But the hate seems odd. Especially when it is backed up by saying Christian, Mark Henry and The Miz (who have been hurt, hurt and just plain screwing up) have been held back. If anything, his rise has held back someone like Drew McIntyre (who simply just can't seem to get over).

 

[DxArmy]

Who are you Michael Cole? Sure he isn't a big name WH champion. But he is great in the ring if not the best in the WWE, he is getting better on the mic, and he gets pretty good heat. I'm not a fanboy of DB to any extent in fact I could give a rats ass about the guy, but when people like you make threads about how guys like DB or CM Punk or someone else are crap, all I have to say is bitch please.

 

[irish_glen_1990]

After hearing about this ''Bryan Danielson'' guy for song long in the indies. I was excited about the prospect of seeing him in the WWE as admittedly i hadn't seen much of him beforehand. To put it simply I honestly don't know what the fuss was all about with this guy he straight up just doesn't impress me much. I haven't seen anything different from him than I see with any other wrestler. And as a guy who loves promos/interviews/in-ring segments I can honestly say that he is the first guy that I have ever changed channel for when he cuts a promo. He seriously bores me whether he is a heel or face.

 

[Saeros]

Posts like yours are everything that is wrong with folks who like to claim they are part of the IWC. You're not cooler for believing you understand the business better than anybody, you're just some dude who enjoys the current product better than some other people. And that's okay.

The majority of the actual crowd eats up cheesy gimmicks. Guys like Cena, The Rock, Austin, Hogan, Taker, you know, the icons of professional wrestling, all have gloriously cheesy gimmicks. I guess the majority of the audience is spoon fed too.

To me, Punk and Bryan are glorified jobbers. Punk less than Bryan, for sure, but neither will be a long term, sustaining star who moves the company into the future. The ratings pretty much prove this. Punk is pretty over, but the IWC seriously overrate how over. Bryan, even as a heel, just isn't over. People don't boo, they don't cheer, they do, well, nothing.

Like I said, Santino, yes, Santino the so-called comedy jobber, gets much, much bigger reactions than either champ. If you can't see this, then you're watching your wrestling with the sound off. If Santino is a jobber to IWC types, then what the fuck are Punk and Bryan?

Your reasons for the ratings being off are totally invalid. If the product was captivating, then more people would stop doing the other stuff they do and watch the the shows. All the excuses people try to justify the bad ratings are strawman arguments. It's been proven many times over, not only with wrestling, but in all facets of television, if the product being presented is captivating, people will watch regardless of other interests.

While i agree some in this thread are overrating how much heat Bryan gets, its ignorant of you to say he gets none, because i certainly am hearing and seeing it from crowds every week on raw and at the EC. Smackdown doesnt matter much as most of its dubbed in anyway but im sorry, but you're wrong. You need to stop believing something that isn't true or get a hearing aid.

Glorified Jobbers is also a bit excessive dont you think? So you are basically saying Punk and Bryan get the same reaction as Curt Hawkins, Trent Barreta, Tyler Reks and other lower midcards that can be classified as Jobbers. Also a Jobber is someone who is there to put over others, that gets little to no reaction and serves very little purpose otherwise. Now either im the one that needs the hearing aid or im sure Punk and Bryan at least get "some" reaction. And because of that, it proves that your thinking and logic is excrement.

Im not an indie fan, last time i watched any indie wrestling was when ROH was on The Wrestling Channel on Sky over here and that must of been a good 8 years ago. I like Wrestlers that can put on a good performance in the ring and the characters they play. So i'd laugh if anyone classed me as a member of the "IWC" that loves all indie guys and pisses on everything else.

Punks character is good, his in ring ability is second to none, despite what people will say. I saw him live at FWA British Uprising in 2003, and him and Colt Cabana put on one of the best WRESTLING matchs i have seen in my life.

Daniel Bryan continues to entertain me by his in-ring work. Thats the thing with a lot of idiots on this board. They think everyone loves Daniel Bryan because "hes known to be awesome on the indies" or "hes got a few flashy/submission moves". No, Wrong. Daniel Bryan is one of the few workers around these days that actually know how to put on a proper wrestling match. How to keep his college safe, how to lay out a match properly and tell a proper story. Similar to HHH vs Taker last year, hundreds of people on this board pissed all over it saying all they did was lay in the ring half the time. What very few of these halfwits realise is thats part of the whole point of it. Its telling a story. Daniel Bryan is a great storyteller in the ring.

Many wrestlers on the WWE roster might be better on the mic and have more interesting characteristics, but still manage to fuck up consistantly. Brodus Clay is a prime example. Everyone goes nuts over him, hes a great character etc etc, yet he still doesn't know his basics, still doesnt know how to work a match properly, and is SERIOUSLY unsafe in the ring. I could see him getting pulled from the roster due to it before it happened from the atrocity of his work against Regal, Mcintyre and Hawkins.

So before everyone decides to shit on Bryan, Punk or any other wrestler they suddenly dislike and decide to say they're rubbish at what they do, try to actually think about why they're the champions and in their spots instead of acting like an ape and thinking you know best by describing them as shite.

Oh and while im at it, on the topic of ratings being down...well...The ratings haven't been consistently in the 4's since about 2002/2003...so you cant use that as an excuse and say they're low because of Punk and Bryan. The ratings have been fluctuating up and down for years now.

 

[H33LTurn]

What a pathetic way to preface a post. You wrote that to make anyone who argues against your bullshit look like a "fanboy".

I said that because its obvious that all of Punks little internet fans are going to come to this thread to rescue their little role model. Am I right or am I wrong. These fanboys didnt give a shit about Punk two years ago. As soon as WWE tells them hes interesting, he becomes interesting to them. They paint him as the antihero and all of you wet your pants every time he speaks.

This is absolutely nothing to do with the internet fans. Pushing world champions to appeal to a small demographic is not in the WWE's best interests. Use your head, dummy.

I didnt say its a small demographic, its the ONLY demographic that still cares about WWE.

I could reel off a bunch of reasons why Daniel Bryan is great - his in-ring ability, acting and strong reactions all spring to mind. But the main one is this: Daniel Bryan is great because WWE think he's great. He wouldn't be going into WrestleMania with the big, gold belt if he was a poor champion. Or if he wasn't over. You might not find him interesting, but the thousands of people booing him when he calls himself a "role model" beg to differ.

WWE doesnt think anyone is "great". When Vince looks at a wrestler he sees dollar signs not inspiration. You think a guy whos been around the likes of Hogan, Rock, Austin, and HBK during their prime looks at DB with awe? He realized the only people who buy WWE merch besides little children are fanboys. The rest of the world would be embarrassed to wear a WWE shirt outside. Hes doing whats right for business, doesnt mean I have to like it.

 

[JaylisJayP]

I've gone back and forth on Bryan, but I actually watched Smackdown this week since it was live and booked as a "Supershow", and I have to say Bryan was the only part of the show I could sit through.

He's got above-average mic skills now and he puts on a good match. I also find that he's drawing legitimate heat and growing as a heel, which is more than Miz did.

Also, he's not really that small when compared to someone like CM Punk.

I'm fine with Ryder being World Champ...the only other guys on Smackdown I'd give the belt to right now would be Barrett, which isn't happening now unfortunately due to his injury, and Cody Rhodes, which hopefully happens sometime in 2012.

 

[Saeros]

WWE doesnt think anyone is "great". When Vince looks at a wrestler he sees dollar signs not inspiration. You think a guy whos been around the likes of Hogan, Rock, Austin, and HBK during their prime looks at DB with awe? He realized the only people who buy WWE merch besides little children are fanboys. The rest of the world would be embarrassed to wear a WWE shirt outside. Hes doing whats right for business, doesnt mean I have to like it.

Well then, you just said it yourself, WWE has to see something in Bryan to put him in a ME at Wrestlemania. Maybe Vince doesn't look at him like that, but he and everyone there must see something worth putting him in a top match at the biggest event of the year.

I didnt say its a small demographic, its the ONLY demographic that still cares about WWE.

So you know every single fan of the WWE? Didn't think so. So stop making an idiot of yourself saying moronic things like this.

 

[H33LTurn]

Well then, you just said it yourself, WWE has to see something in Bryan to put him in a ME at Wrestlemania. Maybe Vince doesn't look at him like that, but he and everyone there must see something worth putting him in a top match at the biggest event of the year.

Yeah he does, Vince fucked over every other demographic during the Cena days until the IWC was the only one left. Might as well please the only group that doesnt think wrestling is gay or fake.

So you know every single fan of the WWE? Didn't think so. So stop making an idiot of yourself saying moronic things like this.

Yup, I do. Stop making stupid generalizations. No one cares about wrestling anymore. Its just a common fact. You never see shows talk about it, you never read anyone online reference to it. You never see anyone wearing wrestling shirts outside. Our society considers wrestling to be a thing of the past, social awareness does good.

 

[Headman]

If what you say is the truth then if no one likes him as a heel or doesn't even care he's not gonna make them any money. An unworthy champion isn't a good thing....

If they were going to go all out on his reign (Which they won't) they'd have him hold it until people couldn't stand it anymore, then have him hold it even longer. People would buy ppvs hoping that would be the night he loses it. And what money are you talking about? If you mean merch and stuff, that's the faces job. Going into Mania you've already got other big attractions so they're not asking Daniel Bryan to carry a ppv, so now is the time to do what they are doing. It really does't make sense that you guys are complaining about this as if it's your own money they're playing with. Just say you don't like the guy and move on.

No, I hated him when he was a face too. And if you gave his exact gimmick to a performer I find entertaining, I would love it. Put a young Chris Jericho or Kurt Angle in this exact spot, and I mark out for it like a mad man and declare it to be the greatest thing ever. Don't be so arrogant as to assume that because I don't like someone who is a heel I've been worked.

In general, I prefer heels to faces. If pushing DB is supposed to get me to cheer for the faces he fights, it has failed, it has instead accomplished making me sit on my hands whenever he is present and get annoyed that I have to either sit through him on my TV or fast forward past performers I do enjoy.

I understand how you feel. There are some guys (ADR for one) who I will just never like unless something drastic happens. But they can't exactly cater to you guys who want to cheer heels can they? Basically what people need to understand is that a heel's job is not to be liked. The majority of fans will allow themselves to be worked for the sake of entertainment. Those are the people their tactics are designed for.

 

[derkman7]

I'll admit, when I first heard Bryan Danielson was going to be on NXT I was happy. I had neither seen a match of his nor watched a single ROH show, but I had heard for years he was something special. I was somewhat unimpressed initially. It wasn't until he finally started to show some intensity that I saw the potential he truly had.

Fast forward to today, and I like the spot Bryan is currently in. His character fits his size and abilities. They have yet to give him something substantial to do on the mic, but I feel when they do he will impress. (His evolution reminds me completely of Punk. He started off as a good, moral face. Then, he evolved into a "I'm better than you because of my lifestyle" heel.)

Also, did you see the match he had with Punk on Smackdown. The match was great. Both competitors sold their injuries throughout the match, the ring psychology was amazing, and both competitors looked like they went through hell when it was over.

 

[Headman]

I'll admit, when I first heard Bryan Danielson was going to be on NXT I was happy. I had neither seen a match of his nor watched a single ROH show, but I had heard for years he was something special. I was somewhat unimpressed initially. It wasn't until he finally started to show some intensity that I saw the potential he truly had.

Fast forward to today, and I like the spot Bryan is currently in. His character fits his size and abilities. They have yet to give him something substantial to do on the mic, but I feel when they do he will impress. (His evolution reminds me completely of Punk. He started off as a good, moral face. Then, he evolved into a "I'm better than you because of my lifestyle" heel.)

Also, did you see the match he had with Punk on Smackdown. The match was great. Both competitors sold their injuries throughout the match, the ring psychology was amazing, and both competitors looked like they went through hell when it was over.

He was a whole other animal in ROH. Bryan Danielson regulary wrestled 45 minutes plus and was dominant. He wasn't a coward, he was just better than everyone and eventually developed an ego. I enjoyed his work in ROH, but i find his current character more believable for WWE.

 

[BaconBits]

LOL you must have not watched wrestling for long.

The first wrestling I remember watching was the seemingly neverending battle between The Rock N' Roll Express and various members of The Four Horsemen. That would place it about 1985/6 or so. I've watched off and on since then. I guess damn near 20 years isn't that long in the grand scheme of things.

Can you define a jobber ?

Sure. It's a lower level talent brought in to job to the superstars. By job, I mean make the superstars look dominant. Saturday morning on WWF and NWA programing, and weekday afternoons after school on AWA, all of the matches, except for the main event were typically a mid carder or tag team beating up one or a duo of these jobbers.

And do you know what a glorified jobber is ?

Yep, it's a guy just above a jobber. It's a jobber who sometimes wins and sometimes even gets to the main vent of a show. The first name that comes to mind is S.D. Jones.

FYI, Iron Mike Sharpe was a glorified jobber. Punk and Bryan are not. And before you start with an elementary assessment of wrestling. Look up Iron Mike's Career in the WWE and territories to have an intelligent response.

I'm quite familiar with Mr. Sharpe. I'd put him at a similar level S.D. Jones. Where S.D. was there to make the main event heels look tough on Saturday mornings, Mike was there to make the main event faces look tough. I'm not going to look up his history, though, because that's just time consuming.

You don't have to like DB or Punk.

And I don't. It's been pretty evident in this thread, don't ya think?

But what they do is written and booked by Creative.

I'm quite aware that creative plots out promos and storylines. I kinda figured that out when I realized wrestling was fake in the late 80's.

OH YOU FORGET WRESTLING IS SCRIPTED.

No, I'm pretty sure I just admitted that I knew it was fake. There's no need to yell, though, dude. You'll get an aneurism if your not careful.

They have to take whatever shit is handed to them and make sugar. And sometimes its very hard to do.

Not everybody makes sugar. There are more gimmicks and storylines through history that have totally failed than been successful. Everybody just remembers the good shit.

SCSA had a very bad gimmick when he came to WWE. He knew it didn't work, Jim Ross knew it but Creative wouldn't budge until the 3:16 promo.

Steve was actually rather successful in the WCW and ECW and even held a few titles before he came to the WWE in the mid 90's. The seeds for the Stone Cold character were actually sewn in the ECW. I've long thought that Vince McMahon and the WWE took way, way too much credit for the phenomenon that was Stone Cold. Paul Heyman should get a lot of the credit.

And Stone Colds so called cheesy gimmick is who he is as a real person. That's exactly why he was over.

I know that. Most great gimmicks are a person's real personality with volume turned up to 11. Doesn't make it any less cheesy. Living up to any stereotype is pretty cheesy. A redneck on blast isn't any less cheesy than Ric Flair's millionaire on blast.

Watch a few Legends of Wrestling Roundtables and interviews from good ole Jim Ross.

No thanks. I prefer to watch the actual wrestling, not a bunch of dudes with fragile egos sitting around trying to make them selves look good whilst talking about it. It's kind of boring, to be honest with you.

Comparing Santino to anyone on the roster is asinine. He is the comedy guy and will always be over.

Why can't I compare Santino? How is it asinine? It's not he's a member of the roster just like everybody else. His being more popular than the champions would be like KoKo B. Ware or Hacksaw Jim Duggan being bigger than Hogan in the 80's. Is that a better comparison for you? I could think of others if you want.

And wrestling has alot more to compete with than it did 10, 20 or so years ago. And they could have the most compelling product and still wouldn't draw the old numbers. Why ? Because the audience is into MMA , Video Games and Reality TV.

More strawman bullshit. There is no more competition from any of what you mentioned nowadays then there was then.

MMA: Um, there is no reason a person can't be a fan of both products. I, in fact, am a fan of both products and am a mixed martial arts writer as one of my professions. The first UFC I watched happened in 1995. PRIDE came into favor a couple years later and I watched the shit out of that too. Didn't stop me from watching the Monday night wars, which also started in 1995.

Currently, MMA and WWE programming are very seldom airing against each other. There's no MMA regularly airing on Monday nights. Friday's there is MMA on HDNet, so maybe that takes viwers away from Smackdown, but it's not like HDNet is all over. It's a pay station with a rather limited viewership. MMA PPVs are on Saturday nights.

WWE programming is on Monday and Friday nights and the PPVs are on Sunday nights.

There are times when I've ordered a UFC PPV Saturday night and a WWE PPV on Sunday night. It's rare, but it has happened. Occasionally, I'll order a boxing PPV too.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who is a fan of both.

Video Games: I'm pretty sure I was obsessed, along with the rest of the world, with Final Fantasy VII in 1997 when it came out. I played the shit out of that game. Never missed a Monday night with Raw/Nitro though. Watched a bunch of ECW too.

Video games have been around on a grand scale from the mid 80's. The wrestling experienced it's main boom in popularity in the late 90's/early 2000's. Even though Playstation fever was in full swing then, millions upon millions of people still found time to watch their favorite wrestling program.

They still would, if the program was compelling. It's not, so they play video games.

Reality TV: The Real World on MTV first aired in 1992. Survivor first aired in 2000. American Idol first aired in 2002. Wrestling still experienced pretty damn good ratings during all these shows most popular times during their original runs.

With the proliferation of DVR, people can watch their wrestling whenever you have time, regardless of reality TV programming.

If the wrestling program was compelling, people would find a way to watch it.

The current WWE is a shit product, and the ratings reflect that. Especially segment by segment. When Daniel Bryan segment comes on the ratings dip because people change the channel. How that isn't a stinging indictment is beyond me.

It comes down to this. Many of you folks are totally deluded into thinking that the current product is fine when it clearly isn't.

 

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Daniel Bryan is helping to further interest and prestige to the WHC. That belt was looked at as a joke, the B title (which it still is). In the past year, ever since Orton's title reign and then the back and forth he had with Christian, the strap has been put over big time. Mark Henry was one of the best monster heel champions of all time. His run, with the Hall of Pain and being cowardly when actually challenged by a force able to match up with him be it in strength or size, was brilliant.

Now for Daniel Bryan. D Bryan has had one of my more favorite title runs in the past few years. His transformation from hardworking everyman, to hypocritical, smarmy douchebag has been fantastic. He's my favorite kind of heel - The kind that doesn't know that they're an unliked bastard. His matches have been top notch. He's gotten a lot of good work out of Big Show and Henry, elevating the game of everyone he's been working with. He and Punk have put on clinics this month, on free TV. His bit with AJ is bringing back the proper role of the heel champ with the kind-hearted, madly in love face valet. This run has been great, and as much as it is obvious that Sheamus is going to win the belt at WM, I'm at the point right now that I want D Bryan to hold the belt for at least 4-5 more months. I am LOVING this.