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Daniel Bryan: A Pathetic Excuse For Future Endeavoured...

I dont think he's very over at this point...There is not much hype about his match with sheamus at WM...He might be good in the ring but he doesnt have the charisma of a champ IMO...

How exactly is he not over? As I said, just because you're just not personally into him doesn't negate the fact that he draws consistently good responses from the audience. A few examples of guys that were pushed hard without garnering responses have been Drew McIntyre & Dolph Ziggler back when he was part of SD!. When McIntyre would come out and do his thing while he was IC champ, you could practically hear a pin drop. The audience sat on their hands mostly during his matches and certainly during his promos. In short, the audience didn't give a crap. The WWE gave McIntyre a good amount of time as champ but the fact was the he was just never able to get over at the time. As for Ziggler, it's only been really since this past summer that Ziggler has gotten over without Vickie Guerrero. Even though Vickie is still his manager, there was a time not all that long ago in which Ziggler's presence, when Vickie wasn't out there with him, drew nothing but dead air.

Since his heel turn, Bryan has constantly & consistently drawn great heat from the crowd. Whether it's on Raw or SmackDown!, Bryan is greeted with a loud chorus of boos, "You suck" chants and fans want to see him get his ass kicked. If you're not into the guy fine, but it's ludicrous to argue that Bryan isn't over because the facts don't back up your claim.

As for his match with Sheamus, Sheamus only made his intentions known this past Sunday at the EC ppv. It hasn't even been a week yet, they've already started establishing tension between them and there's still 5 weeks to go until WrestleMania. This is nothing more than nitpicking at this point.
 
How exactly is he not over? As I said, just because you're just not personally into him doesn't negate the fact that he draws consistently good responses from the audience. A few examples of guys that were pushed hard without garnering responses have been Drew McIntyre & Dolph Ziggler back when he was part of SD!. When McIntyre would come out and do his thing while he was IC champ, you could practically hear a pin drop. The audience sat on their hands mostly during his matches and certainly during his promos. In short, the audience didn't give a crap. The WWE gave McIntyre a good amount of time as champ but the fact was the he was just never able to get over at the time. As for Ziggler, it's only been really since this past summer that Ziggler has gotten over without Vickie Guerrero. Even though Vickie is still his manager, there was a time not all that long ago in which Ziggler's presence, when Vickie wasn't out there with him, drew nothing but dead air.

Since his heel turn, Bryan has constantly & consistently drawn great heat from the crowd. Whether it's on Raw or SmackDown!, Bryan is greeted with a loud chorus of boos, "You suck" chants and fans want to see him get his ass kicked. If you're not into the guy fine, but it's ludicrous to argue that Bryan isn't over because the facts don't back up your claim.

As for his match with Sheamus, Sheamus only made his intentions known this past Sunday at the EC ppv. It hasn't even been a week yet, they've already started establishing tension between them and there's still 5 weeks to go until WrestleMania. This is nothing more than nitpicking at this point.

Daniel Bryan isn't over because MVA doesn't like him. We should obviously follow suit with MVA, because MVA has never been wrong in his entire life.

You're absolutely right on here about Bryan getting great heel heat. He's getting seemingly real reactions on Smackdown, too. I was there for the night he kinda "officially" turned heel in Vegas (I'd say that's the night he really got a lot more boos than cheers), and that shit was LOUD. But hey, I guess that means he gets no heat and he's not over. I wish he'd grow more. What a loser.

I gotta say, the Sheamus v Bryan match only has me slightly disinterested because we all pretty much know how it is going to end. I do expect a good match out of the both of them, though. Hopefully D Bryan can pull Sheamus out of the performing slump he's been in lately. I've been getting the vibe from Sheamus that he just isn't trying as hard. His "10 Chest Hits" don't have the same bite they used to, he just looks a step slower also. Maybe it's because they gave him practically not shit to do for a few months after the Mark Henry feud. I really am looking forward to see what happens up until WM, though.
 
I was broswing over Wrestlezone, and saw this topic and decided to make an account on the forums because I feel strongly about the topic.

I 100% agree with the OP in this instance. Whenever I turn on Raw or Smackdown and see Daniel Bryan, I feel the need to change the channel. Personally to me, he is boring, and lacking a true character. Yes, he does the "Yes, YES, YES." That got stale real fast for me. I would rather see a full episode of Raw containing only Santino and Hornswoggle than Daniel Bryan. He is boring. At least the other two would be somewhat entertaining...

Also I don't exactly remember where I read it, but it was somewhere on here, but I agree with what I read. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan could very well much end up being the opening match of Mania. They are not really giving the feud a Mania push (I know its early, but we have started on Taker vs. HHH, Punk vs. Jericho, and Rock vs. Cena).
 
I too will waste my time with ignorant people who are unwilling to accept that one of the blokes they can't stand, is going into WrestleMania, as World Heavyweight Champion (YES YES YES YES!)

first of all, a big LMFAO at all the members of the IWC on here, that are having a crack at the members of the IWC... (perhaps they listened to truths advice "You should be booing yourselves")

WWE obviously know they've got "money in the bank" so to speak with the Rock v Cena match, and obviously want a technical masterpiece with Bryan and Punk featuring in the two title matches. (Punk v Jericho has the making to be a 5 star technical match)
 
I think there plan is to have the WHC match open Wrestlemania every year now, given how well it worked last year.

Bryan v Sheamus got bumped last year, which was stupid, and now it's a main event match for Wrestlemania. They could use that towards the build.

I just don't get why people aren't digging Daniel Bryan, but get all wet over Wade, Miz, and Drew McIntyre. Bryan gets consistently more interesting, and is obviously a better in-ring guy than all of them.
 
Wh-wh..WHAT? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

The worst part about this is that I had to wait 6 Pages to do this. No "fanboy-ism" here, though, apparently when someone can actually discuss the pro's of a certain athlete, they're considered a "fanboy" Oh well!

You say that Daniel Bryan as the current WWE World Heavyweight Champion is the "BEST example of WWE not being all that great anymore" ? Are you high? You don't see what the minds of WWE see in him? Are you blind? Watch his first WWE match on NXT against Chris Jericho. The crowd loved him from the first day he stepped foot in a WWE ring. Watch his two recent matches with CM Punk from RAW and Smackdown.

He Rarely gets heat? You must not of had your hearing aid in during Elimination Chamber, he got ENORMOUS heat when the crowd wanted Santino to have the underdog upset win over Bryan. He didn't get great face reactions?
Watch his return at SummerSlam - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g2J5sqwLOE if that doesn't prove it, go watch any video of him during his feud against The Miz, the crowd always gave him great responses.

His mic skills are pathetic? Granted I'll give you that when he's a babyface, his Mic Skills could use some work. As a heel, he's always been great. Watch anything from his Epic ROH World Title Heel Run. Here's a great promo he did at the ECW Arena: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8v3sc_bryan-danielson-cuts-a-promo-on-ecw_auto There's too many examples, Here's the good one he did on NXT where he goes off on Michael Cole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUE0xOsx8TA Here's one of him with Samoa Joe from ROH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUWoec3_xZ4 I can go on for days with this stuff. Watch and understand just how wrong you are when saying he doesn't have good mic skills. He's nowhere near as charismatic as guys who work ONLY on their Mic Skills instead of their in-ring skills.

His In-ring skills are just OKAY?!?!? Alright, this guys just crucifying himself even further. Watch any of the matches I mentioned earlier, or if need be, here's some examples of his "just okay" wrestling skills..yeah right. Versus KENTA from ROH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is7QY7i_rgM Versus Lance Storm from ROH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSwZIMIH2Rw Versus William Regal from Superstars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhqezjxosk Versus Kaval from FCW in his official debut under the WWE branch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-h6_oe6lTg Versus Dolph Ziggler from Bragging Rights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13XxWxUGAxo His unparalleled wrestling skills are just that, unparalleled.

He doesn't look like a Champion? True. But people said Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, and many others didn't look like Champions, but look what happened there. Some of the best Champions didn't "look" like they belonged on top of the mountain, but their track records sure as hell proved they DESERVED it.

People have been "held back" to make way for Bryan? Nobody has been held back to make way for Bryan as champion. The Miz especially, I'm not going to go off on a rant on a waste of space. Christian? I agree in the sense that they took the belt off of him awfully quick in order to give it to Orton..but Christian's been injured the majority of Bryan's Title Reign if not all of it. Mark Henry? Mark Henry had an awesome run as World Champ, he went beast mode and played through the pain. Seriously, how many injuries did this guy have? 3, 4? Shit. He wasn't held back because of Bryan's title reign either.

I will also agree, though not a lot, that they did rush him into becoming the World Champion since his debut, that's not to say he didn't deserve it. His track record of amazing matches and great rivalries over the years in many other promotions alone, qualifies him to become a World Champion in ANY promotion around the world. However I do agree with that they should have built him up a bit more before having him win the MITB and winning the Title as soon as he did.

Lastly, Bryan vs Sheamus @ Wrestlemania doesn't have a lot of hype? Hell, unless your name is John Cena or The Rock, you are NOT going to be a focal point of this Pay Per View.

To Summarize, if you're open to actually wanting to enjoy the mans work, check out his previous work in ROH, Japan, and other indies.
 
Daniel Bryan - Here is the best example of WWE not being all that great these days...I dont know what WWE saw in him that they made him win the MITB and then win the World title and finally letting him main event Wrestlemania...

I cant see a thing in him which makes him World champion...He rarely gets heat from the fans nor did he get great cheers when he was a face...People have no reaction when he comes out and i wont blame them because he's boring to the corre...His mic skills are pathetic...there is nothing interesting when he speaks...and his in-ring ability are just okay...He doesnt even look like a champion (which could have been excused if other things about him were cool)...

The Question is why did the wwe make him win mitb and then the title...There were many good contenders like Cody and Wade who could have won...They too are the part of the future and i'm sure they definitely would have done a better job...Others like The Miz, Christian and even Mark Henry have been held back to make way for him which doesnt make a lot of sense...

If at all(and i doubt a lot) wwe saw talent in him...an overall talent...then wwe should have given him a good run before making him the champion...I personally feel they have hurried him to the title...

Rarely gets heat? Are you watching actual WWE programming? Like the shit that airs on USA and SyFy? They boo the piss out of the guy every time he comes to the ring.

His look is terrible, much like CM Punk he looks like an absolute nobody, the guy you expected to hand you fast food from a window of a drive up, or the guy delivering your pizza.

His in ring work is overrated, but there are far worse people in the ring. Being in the middle a feud with Henry and Show hasn't helped, but somehow he's managed to work with both of them.

He won MITB and beat out the likes of Rhodes, Barrett, the Miz, Christian, Orton and Henry because they needed a new person in the title picture on Smackdown. Christian and Orton ran most of 2011. Henry had a great run as champion but he got injured and had to drop the belt. Show needed to get revenge on Henry, Show sucks as champion so he immediately dropped the title after winning it. As for the rest Orton doesn't need another title run right now, and the rest aren't ready.

He may be a fluke champion, his MITB win was unexpected, his heel turn was unexpected, but he's turned it all into gold, you know how you can tell its gold? You fucking hate him.
 
Punk has the charistma and the in ring skills to be champ Brian has the skills when he wants to showcase them all but he cant get over as a face and as a heel he isnt getting over either. Hes just annoying and boring....hes doing the Miz ego thing but nowhere near as good as the Miz because Miz was funny and entertaining while he made you hate him. People hate Brain cause he should just wrestle and not make us listen to his boring ring rants and YES YES YES....thats just brilliant! I never thought Id say it but the Miz deserves Brians spot and its a tarnish to Wrestlemania to have Brian in one of the "Main Events" The only reason they can do it is because its a 4thString Main Event. Barrett winning at THE Chamber and taking on Seamus at Mania would have been a much stronger Title Match and Barrett deserves it (Too bad he got hurt.....If he had one the title he wouldnt have been in that battle royal that everyone knew Jericho would win!
 
daniel bryan as world champion?.....meh......i hated the idea when it actually happened.

bryan headlining wrestlemania now?.....WTF.....he doesn't deserve it. mark henry should have gotten this spot.

although i do believe bryan is a really great IN RING wrestling performer....

his mic skills SUCK.

they are NOT up to par.

its just NOT championship material.

you can tell he is trying TOO HARD to speak s-l-o-w-l-y into the mic.

him jumping up and down yelling 'yes! yes! yes!' is bryan's LAME attempt at charisma, which he has ZERO.

basically, bryan yelling 'I AM THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION!!' at the end of his lame speeches is pretty much the only thing he says that gets a reaction from the crowd. and that's pretty much your most basic heat-seaking statement anyone can say to trigger heat other than saying 'your city sucks.'

i mean, honestly, bryan fans, admit it. his mic skills SUCK. he tries too hard.

he was HORRIBLE on the mic when he auditioned in NXT season 2, his lack of charisma was very evident, and the people didnt give a shit about him.

it was only until the wwe, (only god knows why), decided to push this guy to the moon, have him win the MITB, then cash it, then win the world title, then continuously weasle his wins outta big show and henry------RIDICULOUS.

no matter how much the wwe shoves him down our throats----i'm still NOT impressed, nor am i convinced of daniel bryan as world championship material.

now, i know titles can be used as a REWARD to a deserving wrestler, or it can be used to ELEVATE talent. in bryan's case, i see it as an attempt to elevate him---but to me, i feel, he has dropped the ball.

he needs to pay more dues in the wwe to get this accolade. he needs to develop a more interesting, entertaining character than what he is playing right now. he needs to develop a natural charisma (if that is even possible), and he needs to improve his mic skills tenfold before even touching the world title. hell, after a mega push to the world title, holding it for numerous months, and being a main focus on smackdown, you would think his merchandise would be a top seller----but it AIN'T. i know he's a heel, but still. ratings haven't improved with him as champion. his act ain't working. it's NOT as 'over' as the wwe would like it to be.

the only great match i've seen bryan in, in the wwe, (ROH aside), was the one vs cm punk a couple of weeks ago on raw. that was an awesome match i[ll give him that. but, thats it. no other match of his stands out for me.

in ring promos? HORRIBLE.. they are on par with chris benoit's mic skills----i cringe every time he grabs the mic for fear of him embarrassing himself with awkwardness and un-wittiness.

shit, IMO, del rio was a better world champion than daniel bryan but thats another rant altogether.

we know, in today's wrestling age, where storytelling and mic skills rule supreme over actual in ring talent----daniel bryan is NOT up to par.

bryan does NOT deserve the world title right now.

bryan most certainly does NOT deserve to main event wrestlemania....not this year at least. he's still too green.

if i was booking, i know he's injured, but mark henry would get the main event slot. at least he DESERVES it. henry was a bad ass, hugely entertaining, and very enjoyable to watch during his heel run as world champion. and after 15+ years in the company-----he DESERVES it. moreso, than this UNCHARISMATIC, NO MIC SKILLS but great wrestler in daniel bryan.
 
How in the hell can people say that Bryan is not getting over? What are you people watching?

Yes his mic work can use a little work but I have heard guys who were much worse than he is. Plus his in ring work is gold. I guess differences of opinion and all but it seems that when the WWE finally starts pushing new faces people bitch. When they push the same old faces people bitch. If you've ever wondered why no one in the wrestling biz takes the fans serious, that is a big reason why.

To the person who said Paul Heyman should get a lot of credit for Stonecold, WRONG. Steve's ex-wife said the name and Austin ran with it. Austin's character in ECW wasn't like the one in the WWF at all. Heyman had nothing to do with Austin taking off. Austin did.
 
The key for someone to be best in his ring work is to make anyone who wrestles with you looking good.

-Now.I dare anyone who bashes Danielson for his average in-ring work to give me a link of his match whitch the opponent does not look perfect in the ring.Just one.Not a squash match though.

The he is not over issue.I think that in every show that he was since his heel turn he gets boos and you suck chant every time.

-Now.If you have a link in which the crown is dead i am begging you post it.

Third.The Character issue.Since he captured the World Heavyweight Championship his character grows every week.Also i think he is the only character in WWE for the past 2 months which grows.Maybe i am wrong at that i can not remember someone else.


So the main problems with Danielson is two.
First.Because he is an indy wrestler and internet darling you bash him to be just a smart-ass.
Two.You want your favorite guy to be the champion.Sadly only few people can be champs in the company.The only solution for that is to have a title for everyone in the roster.
 
D-Bry doesn't draw heat? Mah boy D-Bry don't draw heat? Ridiculous!

He's arguably the biggest villain in the WWE right now. He gets a hell of a reaction, and actually shows character development week to week instead of coming out and doing the same old act (see: Del Rio's "destiny" and Miz being "the most must-see...").

Not to mention, as covered above, is that he is a great worker. He makes his opponents shine, and in doing so, draws in an audience to believe what is transpiring in the ring is legitimate and they should invest in it.

Sadly only few people can be champs in the company.The only solution for that is to have a title for everyone in the roster.

Sadly their can't just be one champion.
 
Here's the thing that fucking idiots like you never seem to realize. A strong claim, or blanket statement in general, warrants a strong explanation.

Any shit head can declare Daniel Bryan as having no charisma and leave any notion of credibility up to the few fucking idiots (h33lturn) that would actually take you seriously.

Daniel Bryan is animated in the ring, if he was allowed to be a louder or more poignant persona during promos then he would be. That role is left to shit heads like Cena who at this point are nothing if they don't waste twenty minutes validating their character in a stupid promo. Matches will have their pre-destined spots, but how intense you perform those spots are up to you.

I have attended 12 programs in my lifetime that had Daniel Bryan on the card and at every one he was getting a strong reaction from the crowd.

What actual experience do you base your claims on?
Ok, fuck it, I'm going to say the truth. Fuck sounding all sophisticated, fuck the rep system all of you think breaks my heart everytime I see a red square, it all boils down to people being damn fanboys. No mentally sane human being can look at Cena, Rock, Triple H, Stone Cold, and then look at DB and say hes anywhere near their status. He has no personality. Its irritating that people keep trying to support a character than only says yes then does a bunch of damn kicks. You guys complain that wrestling is boring and outdated but there is no way in hell a guy like DB is going to usher in a new golden era in wrestling. Whatever warped definition of charisma you want to hold on to while you hug your Daniel Bryan action figure and watch SD in between diaper changes is fine, but dont bash other people for having a damn opinion and expecting more. Some people are used to men who look like champions and act like them, not pissy children who hold themselves to a higher standard because they spent a decade in the indys for no damn reason. Undertaker, Orton, and Cena all made it in the business without wasting half their lives learning acrobatics. For a group of people on a FORUM you guys get real pissy when someone who isnt praising DB or CM Punk shows up. Who gives a fuck if you like these guys, in the 80's and 90's ratings were double for a reason. No one watches WWE to see real wrestling, leave that for the high school gym, they go to watch a show. A spectacle. So dont get all pissy when you take a guy who used to beat up his boss and pour beer all over him and replace him with a guy who yells yes. Thats all there is to the DB character. I'm still waiting for his magical mic skills to kick in. Oh no but WWE is holding him back right? No, they're not holding him back at all. Thats the biggest BS excuse I hear on this site. Every time a superstar doesnt get over its because WWE held them back. Bitch tell that to The Ringmaster. To Rocky Miavia. To Sexual Chocolate. To the former host of smackdown. To the Eminem knockoff or as he was previously known, The Prototype. There are plenty of guys who had shit gimmicks and turned out to be gold. DB has done none of that. I dont know what shows you guys are watching but Santino is definately getting bigger reactions than DB. But whatever, I guess I'm "just hating". Theres a reason why no ones cares about wrestling anymore, and it starts with these dumb ass marks on this site thinking they're the shit because Cena got tired of carrying the torch and waiting for someone else to get it so instead of feeding their #1 demographic, children, they had to settle for their #2, dumb little internet marks. What a joke WWE has become. And before you say otherwise go watch an episode of SD from 2003-2005 and tell me if the damn midcard wrestlers arent better than "YES YES YES".
 
Ok, fuck it, I'm going to say the truth. Fuck sounding all sophisticated, fuck the rep system all of you think breaks my heart everytime I see a red square, it all boils down to people being damn fanboys. No mentally sane human being can look at Cena, Rock, Triple H, Stone Cold, and then look at DB and say hes anywhere near their status. He has no personality. Its irritating that people keep trying to support a character than only says yes then does a bunch of damn kicks. You guys complain that wrestling is boring and outdated but there is no way in hell a guy like DB is going to usher in a new golden era in wrestling. Whatever warped definition of charisma you want to hold on to while you hug your Daniel Bryan action figure and watch SD in between diaper changes is fine, but dont bash other people for having a damn opinion and expecting more. Some people are used to men who look like champions and act like them, not pissy children who hold themselves to a higher standard because they spent a decade in the indys for no damn reason. Undertaker, Orton, and Cena all made it in the business without wasting half their lives learning acrobatics. For a group of people on a FORUM you guys get real pissy when someone who isnt praising DB or CM Punk shows up. Who gives a fuck if you like these guys, in the 80's and 90's ratings were double for a reason. No one watches WWE to see real wrestling, leave that for the high school gym, they go to watch a show. A spectacle. So dont get all pissy when you take a guy who used to beat up his boss and pour beer all over him and replace him with a guy who yells yes. Thats all there is to the DB character. I'm still waiting for his magical mic skills to kick in. Oh no but WWE is holding him back right? No, they're not holding him back at all. Thats the biggest BS excuse I hear on this site. Every time a superstar doesnt get over its because WWE held them back. Bitch tell that to The Ringmaster. To Rocky Miavia. To Sexual Chocolate. To the former host of smackdown. To the Eminem knockoff or as he was previously known, The Prototype. There are plenty of guys who had shit gimmicks and turned out to be gold. DB has done none of that. I dont know what shows you guys are watching but Santino is definately getting bigger reactions than DB. But whatever, I guess I'm "just hating". Theres a reason why no ones cares about wrestling anymore, and it starts with these dumb ass marks on this site thinking they're the shit because Cena got tired of carrying the torch and waiting for someone else to get it so instead of feeding their #1 demographic, children, they had to settle for their #2, dumb little internet marks. What a joke WWE has become. And before you say otherwise go watch an episode of SD from 2003-2005 and tell me if the damn midcard wrestlers arent better than "YES YES YES".

So your perfect champion will be Santino and your Wrestlemania 29 main event should be Santino vs John Cena.Yeah the perfect match up.They are over with the crowd they are pure entertainers and for wrestling who cares....Yeah i agree with you.You are right.You are the man.You should apply for WWE booker.

And a news flash for you.You may consider your royalty to the dumb little internet marks.You know......you are commenting to an internet forum....Sorry i didn't want to tell that to you this way.
 
As much as I love seeing Indy nerds get their panties up in a bunch, this is pretty ridiculous. People on both sides of the fence are drastically exaggerating.

For one, DB is getting over, but I wouldn't say he's over quite yet. There's almost no heat upon his entrance unless he's in a smarky city like Chicago or something. However, he has the ability to get over with each crowd he performs for, either with his ring work or his mic work.

On the flip side, as I alluded to earlier, DB is not horrible on the mic. A lot of people seem to mistake being funny with being charismatic. Absolutely not the case. He's a little shaky sometimes, but he's incredibly articulate and he is getting more comfortable week after week, he conveys emotion very well, and most importantly, he draws heat from the crowd. Say what you want to, but that's ultimately all that matters.

As for whether or not he should be champion, I think he does. Not every heel is going to be incredibly over before receiving a title reign. This holds especially true over on Smackdown where literally the only over heel these days is Mark Henry. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if it weren't for Henry's injury he'd still be the Champion going into Mania.

That's not to say that Dick Butt doesn't deserve it. When you're booking a title match for Mania, the objective is to build. If Henry were to have remained healthy, you'd have a damn good showdown lined up between he and Sheamus coming up. However, with Henry down and, as I said earlier, there essentially being a 3 way tie for #2 heel on Smackdown, it's really a toss up as to who to give it to. You have Cody Rhodes but honestly, no one would buy him and Sheamus as being a competitive match up. Then you have Barrett and Bryan. Barrett is on his Barrett Barrage or whatever, whle DB keeps winning matches in sneaky fashion. Those would be your options heading into Mania and frankly, neither one is going to set the world on fire.

There's no advantage in giving the title to someone like Barrett who has spent quite a bit of time around the top of the card during his tenure, yet he's no more over than DB. Maybe even less. On the flip side, Bryan is someone who has been working incredibly hard as of late while building a a solid "Cocky Heel" persona. What a lot of you are forgetting is that the ultimate goal of this title reign is to put Sheamus over as much as possible at Wrestlemania. In that regard, having him be the one to finally shut DB down after he's weaseled by Big Show and Mark Henry on multiple occasions as well as escaping the Chamber with his title is by far the best way to do so.

Basically, this reign isn't about Daniel Bryan. It's about Sheamus.
 
The guy is terrible. I guess he's a good wrestler but his mic skills are atrocious. I honestly don't get why the WWE chose this guy...he doesn't have a good look...it's just mind boggling. The only thing that slightly entertains me is his over the top celebrating. It reminds me of Kurt Angle's antics. That's it. Hopefully Sheamus ends this bs at Wrestlemania.
 
Ok, fuck it, I'm going to say the truth. Fuck sounding all sophisticated, fuck the rep system all of you think breaks my heart everytime I see a red square, it all boils down to people being damn fanboys. No mentally sane human being can look at Cena, Rock, Triple H, Stone Cold, and then look at DB and say hes anywhere near their status. He has no personality. Its irritating that people keep trying to support a character than only says yes then does a bunch of damn kicks. You guys complain that wrestling is boring and outdated but there is no way in hell a guy like DB is going to usher in a new golden era in wrestling. Whatever warped definition of charisma you want to hold on to while you hug your Daniel Bryan action figure and watch SD in between diaper changes is fine, but dont bash other people for having a damn opinion and expecting more. Some people are used to men who look like champions and act like them, not pissy children who hold themselves to a higher standard because they spent a decade in the indys for no damn reason. Undertaker, Orton, and Cena all made it in the business without wasting half their lives learning acrobatics. For a group of people on a FORUM you guys get real pissy when someone who isnt praising DB or CM Punk shows up. Who gives a fuck if you like these guys, in the 80's and 90's ratings were double for a reason. No one watches WWE to see real wrestling, leave that for the high school gym, they go to watch a show. A spectacle. So dont get all pissy when you take a guy who used to beat up his boss and pour beer all over him and replace him with a guy who yells yes. Thats all there is to the DB character. I'm still waiting for his magical mic skills to kick in. Oh no but WWE is holding him back right? No, they're not holding him back at all. Thats the biggest BS excuse I hear on this site. Every time a superstar doesnt get over its because WWE held them back. Bitch tell that to The Ringmaster. To Rocky Miavia. To Sexual Chocolate. To the former host of smackdown. To the Eminem knockoff or as he was previously known, The Prototype. There are plenty of guys who had shit gimmicks and turned out to be gold. DB has done none of that. I dont know what shows you guys are watching but Santino is definately getting bigger reactions than DB. But whatever, I guess I'm "just hating". Theres a reason why no ones cares about wrestling anymore, and it starts with these dumb ass marks on this site thinking they're the shit because Cena got tired of carrying the torch and waiting for someone else to get it so instead of feeding their #1 demographic, children, they had to settle for their #2, dumb little internet marks. What a joke WWE has become. And before you say otherwise go watch an episode of SD from 2003-2005 and tell me if the damn midcard wrestlers arent better than "YES YES YES".

True, he isnt anywhere near their status...But then again hes been champ for 3 months. You're comparing him to stars who have risen to superstardom after being on tv for years and being booked incredibly well. I dont think anyone here is comparing him to stars like Rock, Austin, HHH or Cena so you're completely missing the point.

And they are supporting the character because watching him say yes! yes! yes! is damn right annoying and makes you want to see him get beaten. Hes acting like he deserves to be the champ but doesnt (in the story) because of how he won it, how he said he'd cash it in at WM and how it has gone to his head.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, There would be no point in anyone coming onto forums like these if you didnt respect the fact that others have opinions. But its when people state their opinions as facts that people seem to get pissed off with. Its just being totally ignorant to say he gets no reaction, because everyone else can hear some crowd reaction, so why cant the minority that cant? Because they are warping the facts into their own opinion and ending up with a different "fact" that isnt true.

We have moved on from the 80's and 90's now. Muscle men dont necessarily get over like they did back then. Peoples in ring skills are far more exposed now days than they were back then. Half the wrestlers in the 80's who were in WWF wouldnt get into WWE now days. Same as half the wrestlers in WWE now wouldnt make it in WWF back then.

You use good examples in Cena and Orton, but still Orton wasn't exactly a top heels until about 2009 when he finally found a gimmick that was perfect for him. Until then, he got reactions but to me he looked bland and boring in most of the things he did. So that took him 7 years to become big star. You may disagree with me, but Orton pre 2009 to me was just boring. One thing that happened with Cena and Orton that hasnt with Bryan is they were exposed and put in a lot more storylines that Bryan has been. Bryan has been in 3 feuds that are remembered. Miz, Sheamus last year and Big Show. Compare that to Cena and Orton in their first 3 years. Thats now Bryans fault really, he hasnt been given the time that Cena and Orton got.

Bryan isnt being held back, no one should use that excuse. Then again none of the wrestlers you mentioned were held back either. When WWE saw they wernt getting over, they repackaged them. Ringmaster became Stone Cold, Rocky Maivia went from a smiling loser to being pissed off at the fans as the Rock. Sexual Chocolate turned into the worlds strongest man, The former host of smackdown who was smiling a botching his lines turned heel and became an arrogant jerk, who still botches most things. John Cena wasnt getting over as a bland blue chipper so turned into a thuggish rapper (if you think he wasnt getting over as a rapper, then go back to 2003 and watch him and crowd reactions)

Santino is getting bigger reactions. But its an underdog reaction. Its a comedy reaction. I really like Santino, and despite what everyone says i know hes good in the ring, hes just wrestling a comedy act to suit his character. Anthony Carelli was actually a good mat wrestler in OVW as Boris Alexiev. But his comedy act isnt made to last. And even though his reactions are bigger, as his current character, he wont be world champion because very few comedy acts ever do get the big one. Maybe he could turn heel or change to be a bit more serious but still keep some of his persona in tact that could take him to the next level. But Bryan and Santino are completely different. Also, Faces generally get bigger reactions than heels now anyway. The only heels that seems to get more reaction than Bryan is Barrett, Rhodes, Miz and Christian. Thats all. Mark Henry, Kane, ADR, Swagger and Ziggler all get about the same reaction, sometimes more, sometimes less.

2003 - 2005 Midcard better than Daniel Bryan...

Heidenrich, Maven, Al Snow, Val Venis, Hurricane, Spike Dudley, Tommy Dreamer, Rodney Mack, Steven Richards, Rob Conway, Chris Nowinski, Crash Holly, Billy Kidman, Shannon Moore, The FBI, Snitsky, A-Train, Tomko, Billy Gunn, Rico, Luther Reigns, Kenzo Suzuki, Orlando Jordan, Simon Dean, Tatanka, The Boogeyman, Vito, Hardcore Holly, Chris Masters.....Thats the majority from what i remember of the midcard from around that time, Not one of them are on Bryans level imo...So no, the midcard from back then was not better than "YES" "YES" "YES". There are some that might be but very few, maybe Carlito and Hassan and a few others, but thats not the bulk of the midcard.
 
To the person who said Paul Heyman should get a lot of credit for Stonecold, WRONG. Steve's ex-wife said the name and Austin ran with it. Austin's character in ECW wasn't like the one in the WWF at all. Heyman had nothing to do with Austin taking off. Austin did.

Congratulations for being able to take WWE fiction as fact. Did you even see any of his stuff in ECW? The promos were very much like the Stone Cold character. He wasn't called Stone Cold, obviously, but it was still Steve Williams with the volume turned all the way up. Paul Heyman encouraged the move towards being more "real".
 
Miz was just an example...The question still remains why Bryan...He doesnt have the personality of a top face or of a top heel...then why give him the top spot...and what great mic skills does he have...Who cares whether he's a vegetarian or non-vegetarian or man eater...People are least interested...it just looks a poor elaboration of the straight edge thoughts...

And of-course he's holding back other talent...Miz could have very well been drafted to smackdown and he could have continued with the push which he had got by becoming WHC...and Mark Henry was performing even though he was injured...so why not let him continue his title run...Atleast he was interesting...Such good talent Smackdown have and yet they made Bryan the champion-a pity in IMO...

when could miz have been drafted to raw? When he was wwe champion last year? Are you ******ed. Its just ridiculous. And Mark Henry was injured. So would you rather have a guy that can still work (i don't mean anything against mark henry, but he is pretty much to banged up to work a lengthy match) Or would you rather have a guy that cant. I want a world champion that can defend the championship in lengthy matches. Or just wrestle to stay relevant. And hes put on some good matches. Especially his two matches with punk. Now if you didn't like those matches then your a ******.

Now about him not being over. You have to be nuts. The fans boo him more than any other heel on smackdown. Even more than mark henry. Just look at at smackdown this past tuesday. Tell me that he wasn't over. You can't. And as a face he was mad over. Remember over the limit where he had his name chanted all night. Or even any of his matches with the miz.
 
Basically most people here are co-relating Bryan with Punk...Just because Bryan is coming from the same background as Punk doesnt mean he's great as well...Most people here who are saying that they like Bryan is because Punk likes him...He has said it many times that he's a fan of Bryan and how Bryan has worked hard to get there...One such instance was the night after Survivor Series where Punk was all praise for Bryan...
I'm a HUGE fan of Punk as well...but just because he likes Bryan doesnt mean I should like Bryan as well...

As for people who are stating that he gets good heat from the crowd...well lets face it...Smackdowns are taped and the cheers and boos that we here are background recording that are played whenever a wrestler comes to the ring...The heat which you here for Bryan is also the same fake recording...

And for those who think I'm getting worked here and that Bryan is doing a fantastic job and thats the reason why I hate him...well...let me make it clear...I've no interest in seeing him get beaten up...I JUST DONT WANT TO SEE HIM...

And Finally the people who believe that he's improving his mic skills and other such factors...then let me make it clear...Wrestlemania cannot have a WORK IN PROGRESS as its main event...it need to have a ripped fruit which can be eaten and tastes sweet...

Bryan was okay when he was doing the mid-carder's role because thats something which suited him...If ever he managed to fully develope thats the time WWE should have made him the WHC...
 
Basically most people here are co-relating Bryan with Punk...Just because Bryan is coming from the same background as Punk doesnt mean he's great as well...Most people here who are saying that they like Bryan is because Punk likes him...He has said it many times that he's a fan of Bryan and how Bryan has worked hard to get there...One such instance was the night after Survivor Series where Punk was all praise for Bryan...
I'm a HUGE fan of Punk as well...but just because he likes Bryan doesnt mean I should like Bryan as well...

As for people who are stating that he gets good heat from the crowd...well lets face it...Smackdowns are taped and the cheers and boos that we here are background recording that are played whenever a wrestler comes to the ring...The heat which you here for Bryan is also the same fake recording...

And for those who think I'm getting worked here and that Bryan is doing a fantastic job and thats the reason why I hate him...well...let me make it clear...I've no interest in seeing him get beaten up...I JUST DONT WANT TO SEE HIM...

And Finally the people who believe that he's improving his mic skills and other such factors...then let me make it clear...Wrestlemania cannot have a WORK IN PROGRESS as its main event...it need to have a ripped fruit which can be eaten and tastes sweet...

Bryan was okay when he was doing the mid-carder's role because thats something which suited him...If ever he managed to fully develope thats the time WWE should have made him the WHC...

ill start by saying, i am a fan of d bryan because I like the work he puts out their. I am not a person that likes him just cause he is a indie star, cause theres plenty of indie stars i dont like. I am not a person that just relates him to cm punk, because i think he is very independent from punk.

On to your comment about heat. Yes smackdown has fake cheers and boos, but he has shown on ppv, raw, and on live smackdowns that hes over. Just look at the last live smackdown and it proves it. I want to see a video of him not being over. I want someone to put a video up and show me his lack of boos on any raw hes been on as a heel.

And with mic skills, i beleive that his mic skills, at this momment he is better on the mic then his opponent sheamus. I want someone to tell me that sheamus is really that good on the mic. And no one is complaining about sheamus. And why is that. Cause sheamus wasn't as big on the indies as daniel bryan.

Some people just don't like wrestlers because they were indy stars. They don't like the fact that they got over outside of the wwe, but they didn't see it because they only watch tna or wwe. So then when they get over in the wwe, they have to bash them because they don't want to seem like they were jumping on the band wagon.
 
So your perfect champion will be Santino and your Wrestlemania 29 main event should be Santino vs John Cena.Yeah the perfect match up.They are over with the crowd they are pure entertainers and for wrestling who cares....Yeah i agree with you.You are right.You are the man.You should apply for WWE booker.

And a news flash for you.You may consider your royalty to the dumb little internet marks.You know......you are commenting to an internet forum....Sorry i didn't want to tell that to you this way.
Not, it wouldnt. Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying a champion is supposed to get the biggest pops. Not a comedy jobber. I dont see how you get off making such an assenine assumption. Maybe if you actually read the point I was trying to make instead of jumping to a stupid conclusion you'd get it. And I know I'm on an online forum, but I'm not some dumb mark who immediately changes his avatars and signatures and names and believes that someone is the best at what they do or is over simply because they say they are. People on here think they're so above the average TV fan but truth is WWE is milking them for what its worth. DB fans are no better than Cena's legions of children fan, both in maturity and ability to recognize what talent is. Hell, at least Cena looks like a champion, not a bum.
 
True, he isnt anywhere near their status...But then again hes been champ for 3 months. You're comparing him to stars who have risen to superstardom after being on tv for years and being booked incredibly well. I dont think anyone here is comparing him to stars like Rock, Austin, HHH or Cena so you're completely missing the point.
No, thats just the problem. People are acting like DB is the best they've seen when we're obviously seen better superstars, notice I didnt say mat wrestlers. I just think people on the internet shouldnt be so appalled that others dont like DB or find anything special about him.

And they are supporting the character because watching him say yes! yes! yes! is damn right annoying and makes you want to see him get beaten. Hes acting like he deserves to be the champ but doesnt (in the story) because of how he won it, how he said he'd cash it in at WM and how it has gone to his head.
The thing is I'm grown. When I see a heel on TV he doesnt make me legit mad. I applaud them for being a good heel though. Wade Barrett, Kane, Dolph Ziggler and ADR are perfect examples of some of the people I enjoy watching who happen to be heels. DB annoys me not because hes a heel trying to get under my skin, but because amongst the "embrace the hate", "show off", and "destiny" gimmicks, the guy whos entire character consists only of yelling yes is the one in the main event.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, There would be no point in anyone coming onto forums like these if you didnt respect the fact that others have opinions. But its when people state their opinions as facts that people seem to get pissed off with. Its just being totally ignorant to say he gets no reaction, because everyone else can hear some crowd reaction, so why cant the minority that cant? Because they are warping the facts into their own opinion and ending up with a different "fact" that isnt true.
But its a fact that hes not getting nearly as big as a reaction as a champion is supposed to get. The position of champion is supposed to be for the person who gets the most cheers or boos. Hes supposed to represent the company. There are other guys on the roster who get bigger reactions and have been in the main event scene for longer. They deserve it more than DB whos been pushed way too fast in his career. How is it that a guy who has never won a midcard title is going to main event WM and as the World Champion too?

We have moved on from the 80's and 90's now. Muscle men dont necessarily get over like they did back then. Peoples in ring skills are far more exposed now days than they were back then. Half the wrestlers in the 80's who were in WWF wouldnt get into WWE now days. Same as half the wrestlers in WWE now wouldnt make it in WWF back then.
Yes they do get over. Sheamus and John Cena are prime examples. Once people get over the whole idea that muscle men cant put on a good match they'll open their eyes and realize that you cant have a tiny man as champion fighting all these huge guys. It makes no sense. I know wrestling is scripted but it has to retain some form of reality. Like Batista said, when he was in there during the Cena days there were men who looked like they could legit fight. No person on earth can look at DB and think he would last a second against Mark Henry or Big Show in a legit fight.

You use good examples in Cena and Orton, but still Orton wasn't exactly a top heels until about 2009 when he finally found a gimmick that was perfect for him. Until then, he got reactions but to me he looked bland and boring in most of the things he did. So that took him 7 years to become big star. You may disagree with me, but Orton pre 2009 to me was just boring. One thing that happened with Cena and Orton that hasnt with Bryan is they were exposed and put in a lot more storylines that Bryan has been. Bryan has been in 3 feuds that are remembered. Miz, Sheamus last year and Big Show. Compare that to Cena and Orton in their first 3 years. Thats now Bryans fault really, he hasnt been given the time that Cena and Orton got.
I agree, Orton wast as over as he is now but his character had some form of substance. The fact that he was "taught" by Ric Flair and Triple H, then beat a whole bunch of legends gave him the credibility that he deserved. But DB went from a losing streak, to getting lucky in the MITB, to getting lucky after the Big Show and Henry match to being world champion. I know the cowardly champion thing works but only with certain people. Edge had the attitude and the brains to go with the cowardly champion character. But a guy who is dumb enough to run in the ring and celebrate after an Orton match yelling YES YES isnt going to fit that mold.

Bryan isnt being held back, no one should use that excuse. Then again none of the wrestlers you mentioned were held back either. When WWE saw they wernt getting over, they repackaged them. Ringmaster became Stone Cold, Rocky Maivia went from a smiling loser to being pissed off at the fans as the Rock. Sexual Chocolate turned into the worlds strongest man, The former host of smackdown who was smiling a botching his lines turned heel and became an arrogant jerk, who still botches most things. John Cena wasnt getting over as a bland blue chipper so turned into a thuggish rapper (if you think he wasnt getting over as a rapper, then go back to 2003 and watch him and crowd reactions)
The thing is none of these men were champions UNTIL they got proper crowd reactions and THEN their characters were repackaged into something that was championship worthy. WWE hasnt done that with DB for the least bit.


2003 - 2005 Midcard better than Daniel Bryan...

Heidenrich, Maven, Al Snow, Val Venis, Hurricane, Spike Dudley, Tommy Dreamer, Rodney Mack, Steven Richards, Rob Conway, Chris Nowinski, Crash Holly, Billy Kidman, Shannon Moore, The FBI, Snitsky, A-Train, Tomko, Billy Gunn, Rico, Luther Reigns, Kenzo Suzuki, Orlando Jordan, Simon Dean, Tatanka, The Boogeyman, Vito, Hardcore Holly, Chris Masters.....Thats the majority from what i remember of the midcard from around that time, Not one of them are on Bryans level imo...So no, the midcard from back then was not better than "YES" "YES" "YES". There are some that might be but very few, maybe Carlito and Hassan and a few others, but thats not the bulk of the midcard.
Hassan got plenty of heat and even earned a match with Taker. Masters had the master lock challenge that was really impressive. Heindreich had a great rivalry with taker. These guys, while they had cheesy gimmicks, were credible. They looked like fighters and they acted like them too. Grown men dont go around yelling YES YES.
 
I cant see a thing in him which makes him World champion...He rarely gets heat from the fans nor did he get great cheers when he was a face...People have no reaction when he comes out and i wont blame them because he's boring to the corre...His mic skills are pathetic...there is nothing interesting when he speaks...and his in-ring ability are just okay...He doesnt even look like a champion (which could have been excused if other things about him were cool)...

I could not agree more. I hate the fact the Bryan is a world champ. He is terrible on the mic and boring in the ring. People compare him to angle,benoit, jericho and it utterly ridiculous.

Perhaps if he was champ as a face then I could be ok with it but he is a heel which is reducing exposure for others. Comparing Ziggler, Rhodes, Barrett , the Miz, swagger, McIntyre to Bryan. For me Bryan is nothing in comparison. If he was face then he could perhaps be 5th best face in the WWE (at a stretch) and he wound't be taking away from others.
 
He is in the same mold as someone like Jack Swagger. He is not really a deserving champion. He lost clean to Rhodes on the Smackdown leading up to TLC. Next week is the world champion. :banghead:

I like the guy but I do think his fanbase overrates him. I dont think he is as brilliant as they make him out to be. His promos are weak for the most part. He is a good wrestler but people saying he is the best worker in the WWE is bullshit IMO. He is not even top 5 in the WWE. He should of never won MITB.

He is basically Tyson Kidd but with a big indy following. I dont really see a huge difference between the two.

What they should of done was keep the title on Henry. Have Sheamus be the one that finally beats him at WM. Orton put over Henry in a major way. Having Big Show pin Henry was a joke. I know he was hurt, but they could of survived with Henry cutting promos until his injury heals.

What a shitty way to end Henry reign. Sheamus is over and with him beating Henry at Mania it would of cemented him as a main eventer.
 

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