As everyone should know by now, The Miz won the RAW MITB match at the MITB PPV. Now, if I remember correctly The Miz and Morrison ended their run as a tag team on a bad note, with The Miz attacking Morrison. Should The Miz win the WWE Championship, could Morrison end up in a fued with him, seeking not only revenge, but also a World Title reign?
Could John Morrison end up WWE Champion?
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Ithink they should keep the two away from each other as much as possible to be honest. Splitting them up during the 2009 Draft was the best thing that happened to both of them, and Morrisons career at least has been derailed by being dumped back onto RAW. So as for a feud, I think it should be held off. WWE Management probably feel this too. Putting two relatively new stars (at least to the main event) in the title picture at the same time for the flagship title has far too many risks.
However, I do think he can become WWE Champion, if only for the fact that titles seem to be hot potatoed around quite a bit in this era. Morrison may just be there at the right time in the right place and find himself with the belt. He's a face that gives reliably good matches. I see no reason why he can't eventually win a title. We did after all see Kane win the WHC off Rey Mysterio this past Sunday. Yeah. Let that one sink in.
However, I do think he can become WWE Champion, if only for the fact that titles seem to be hot potatoed around quite a bit in this era. Morrison may just be there at the right time in the right place and find himself with the belt. He's a face that gives reliably good matches. I see no reason why he can't eventually win a title. We did after all see Kane win the WHC off Rey Mysterio this past Sunday. Yeah. Let that one sink in.
I agree with that, but in saying that, could it work if it was a 3-way feud, ala Triple H, Jeff Hardy and Edge? Yes, I realise Morrison is WORLDS apart from either of those three, but if WWE wants to make Miz into their number one, then he has to be able to take on any kind of opponent, correct?
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Yes, I think in the future..maybe next year...these 2 will feud over a world title...and what will add to the feud is that they were former tag partners...this could be their best feud yet...as for, their feud is just building more and more strong until the day comes where they actually have their first world title feud!
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I wouldn't want to see Morrison win the world title on Raw because IMO he doesn't have the style that leads to success on Raw. John is a high flyer and Raw is more about the power house and the charismatic guys. Morrison would be great in the ME on Smackdown and great as the WH champion but he doesn't have the ME style for Raw IMO
Morrison definitely has what it takes to be a world champion. He was beating main eventers on Smackdown long before anyone even thought Miz could be in this position. But he's much better suited for a Smackdown push, at least to get him to that level. On RAW, he just gets lost in the shuffle. Which is a real shame, because RAW is really lacking in main event faces right now and he could easily fill that void, at least for RAW main events.
As for Miz vs. Morrison, I can see that being the main event at WM... someday. For now, they need to take their separate paths to the main event, and Morrison's needs to be on Friday nights.
As for Miz vs. Morrison, I can see that being the main event at WM... someday. For now, they need to take their separate paths to the main event, and Morrison's needs to be on Friday nights.
I agree somewhat and even though I watch Raw every week and haven't seen Smackdown in awhile since I don't get it on my local DirecTV channels, I think John Morrison is a stronger guy on SmackDown. I would have liked to see him stay there and be a main event type guy instead of a mid carder almost on Raw. I disagree that his style couldn't have success on Raw though. He is a very charismatic guy, even more so as a heel, and if you're a good wrestler no matter what style and good on the mic you can be successful. For some reason I only see Morrison becoming a WWE or World champ within the next year if he turns heel and that would make it hard for him to feud with the Miz.
Morrison does have what it takes to become a WWE Champion at some point in the future but not right now. With the main event scene being what it is right now, I don’t think there is any space for the likes of John Morrison at the moment. However, I do think that he has what it takes. In my mind, with a gimmick change and more importantly, a change to his attire, then I could definitely see him becoming a powerhouse in the WWE. I look at what The Miz did a couple of months back and I think that John Morrison should probably take notes from that. The Miz’s look was pretty terrible and no one was taking him seriously because of his attire. He went away and came back looking like a professional wrestler and he really became more of a legitimate threat to the main event status quo.
For me, Morrison is in dire need of a change to freshen him up. He has been using the same gimmick and attire since the break-up with The Miz and even beyond that and it is just not working right now. Give him a new look and some new entrance music and you could possibly see him becoming more of a legitimate talent instead of a spot monkey that I think he is turning into.
It is terrible to think that he was being touted a s sure-fire Champion a year ago and now we are talking about him needing to have something new to get him back into his groove. He can’t even hit his finisher right now and people are starting to turn on him in a big way. He just doesn’t have the skill set that the rest of the guys in the main event do right now and by trying to freshen him up couldn’t hurt.
If he was to go to Smackdown again, I doubt it would make that much difference really but if The Miz wins the WWE Championship, I definitely don’t see Morrison becoming a threat to that reign. I just don’t think he is on that level yet and I certainly wouldn’t buy it.
For me, Morrison is in dire need of a change to freshen him up. He has been using the same gimmick and attire since the break-up with The Miz and even beyond that and it is just not working right now. Give him a new look and some new entrance music and you could possibly see him becoming more of a legitimate talent instead of a spot monkey that I think he is turning into.
It is terrible to think that he was being touted a s sure-fire Champion a year ago and now we are talking about him needing to have something new to get him back into his groove. He can’t even hit his finisher right now and people are starting to turn on him in a big way. He just doesn’t have the skill set that the rest of the guys in the main event do right now and by trying to freshen him up couldn’t hurt.
If he was to go to Smackdown again, I doubt it would make that much difference really but if The Miz wins the WWE Championship, I definitely don’t see Morrison becoming a threat to that reign. I just don’t think he is on that level yet and I certainly wouldn’t buy it.
I think in a year or two John morrison will be in the main event. He just needs a fued or he needs to do something impressive to impress vince. It worked kane has been doing those extraodinary promos that caught vince's eye and look kane is the new world heavyweight champion. Like if Morrison got into a fued with edge or jericho or orton and he makes a good showing we will definetly see him in the main event.
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I think eventually (maybe a year or 2) he will be up there getting the world champion. He hasn't done anything too impressive (well him and the miz was alright) but I have always thought that the miz came out better of that tag team when at first I thought it was going to be Jo Mo however just give him a year and he'll be champ before you know it.
Of course John in theory could become WWE champion. Everybody has the potential to in theory become WWE champion. It doesn't mean they will. And John Morrison falls into this category as well. He's over. At least a bit. But he's boring. He's inconsistent in the ring as well as on the microphone.
He's not the type of guy I could see WWE resting the top belt on. Sure if he starts Mizzing his way to the top by public appearances etc. then it can always happen. But right now? Not a chance.
John Morrison isn't even credible enough to be world champion. And don't start "Neither was Sheamus, neither was Jack Swagger". Because they could be made credible. John is a smaller guy. He's around a main event card where there's a lot of big guys. Especially the champion, Sheamus. Who won't be going down to John Morrison of all people. A current mid-carder.
So yes he could become champion. But he won't.
He's not the type of guy I could see WWE resting the top belt on. Sure if he starts Mizzing his way to the top by public appearances etc. then it can always happen. But right now? Not a chance.
John Morrison isn't even credible enough to be world champion. And don't start "Neither was Sheamus, neither was Jack Swagger". Because they could be made credible. John is a smaller guy. He's around a main event card where there's a lot of big guys. Especially the champion, Sheamus. Who won't be going down to John Morrison of all people. A current mid-carder.
So yes he could become champion. But he won't.
He's not exactly tiny... he's billed as 6'1'' 225lbs, which in my opinion is a totally acceptable weight for a champion. He's accomplished and decorated with championships his entire career (ECW title, tag team titles with 2 major tag teams, IC title...). I don't think anyone can legitimately say that he'll be a change like this year or anything, but I don't think it's at all a stretch to say that he could be carrying a world title in 2-3 years time.
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I think that John Morrison can win either title. Hes awesome in the ring and great on the mic and hes just interesting to watch you never know what he is going to do.
Morrison is kinda of a highflyer which makes him exciting to watch. However I don't think that he will become champ until after The Miz cashes in money in the bank. I think someone mentioned a Miz vs. Morrison fued I think that would be a very interesting fued.
Morrison is kinda of a highflyer which makes him exciting to watch. However I don't think that he will become champ until after The Miz cashes in money in the bank. I think someone mentioned a Miz vs. Morrison fued I think that would be a very interesting fued.
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i think im the only one who think morrison will not get a world title anytime soon and if he does hell be a transitional champ.as far as a miz fued i really wouldnt want to see this...it would be just another HBK/Janetty type of thing and we already seen that with MIz getting the upperhand...morrison is not champ material in my eyes..not yet he can wrestle and do cute moves but he draws nothing except cute girls..no problem with that either...lol...but his mic skills are weak and he can do anything as a face..now as a heel..a cocky heel...he might a have a better chance
I'm perfectly aware of that. But even with that he's a smaller size around the true main event guys on RAW. Sheamus, Cena and when he returns - Triple H. Sure they have all 3 gone down to smaller opponents in some way. Sheamus getting dominated by Evan, Cena going down to. Well he did go down to someone smaller, Edge? And Triple H who has gone down to Jeff Hardy.
But even with that. Johns size is the least thing to deal with. He's just not the guy that would be interesting in the main event. His finisher is inconsistent as fuck. His promo abilities are bland and messed up.
And because of that. He won't become world champion. But as I said, he could. It's the same thing with gimmicks and storylines. All have potential until proved otherwise. Morrison had potential. But he sure as hell proved otherwise.
Everyone always talks about the RAW mid-card shuffle, where talent and fueds go to rot and that some wrestlers would be better on Smackdown... well I agree with that in the case of John Morrison.
He is one of those guys that is just better on Smackdown and always will be. I have three 'success' catergories in which I find myself looking at after a draft and they - Raw guys, Smackdown guys and Either guys.
Some guys look better for Raw e.g. Evan Bourne and The Miz. Some guys look better for Smackdown e.g. John Morrison and Matt Hardy. Some can do both e.g. Kofi Kingston.
In order to answer the thread question though - yes he can be a future World Champion but his first World title reign will be on Smackdown and only if he's willing to put the time into refreshing his in-ring work, finishers (HBK is gone now so let Morrison inherit the Superkick) and most of all his mic work whether it be face or heel - he needs to connect to the crowd.
He is one of those guys that is just better on Smackdown and always will be. I have three 'success' catergories in which I find myself looking at after a draft and they - Raw guys, Smackdown guys and Either guys.
Some guys look better for Raw e.g. Evan Bourne and The Miz. Some guys look better for Smackdown e.g. John Morrison and Matt Hardy. Some can do both e.g. Kofi Kingston.
In order to answer the thread question though - yes he can be a future World Champion but his first World title reign will be on Smackdown and only if he's willing to put the time into refreshing his in-ring work, finishers (HBK is gone now so let Morrison inherit the Superkick) and most of all his mic work whether it be face or heel - he needs to connect to the crowd.
Edge is deceivingly big... 6'5'' 250lbs (although the weight probably isn't accurate, but regardles...).
Morrison definitely needs a better finisher, it's just too hard to hit the Starship Pain with it looking awkward, and he could use some mic skill polishing, but that's all stuff that can be changed. I enjoy his regular work in the ring and I think he has a nice blend of mat skills + aerial skills. He's like Jeff Hardy in a lot of ways, and frankly, if people can get behind him like they did Jeff, he'll definitely be a world champ someday. In fact, he has the added benefit of no drug problems (that we know of) working in his favor
In terms of his storylines, or lack thereof, I don't really think that's his fault. WWE pretty much has nothing consistent for him, but they still recognize that he's good enough a draw to be on the show every week. He got WWE's Muscle & Fitness cover this year, and constantly in high profile matches.
If he was on SD, he would look a lot better. And I agree with you compared with the Sheamuses, Cenas, Triple Hs, etc, he has much less of a chance. But with a lot of guys nearing retirement and SD's main event being pretty bare bones, I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that he could be a mainstay main eventer in 2 years time.
I disagree about JOMO about him being over alittle bit I Went to RAW and When he attacked Ted the place exploted(not sure how it came off on TV) and when he came out for Cena's team He got about a good reaction as Cena got that night(again not sure how it came off on TV) So JOMO is Over with crowd. And He isnt really small He's billed as 6'1" 225lbs thats not exactly small as Chris Jericho is like 6'0" 230lb.
But to the topic Yes JOMO will be a World Champion in a 1 to 3 yrs but i see him a World Champion on SD! instead of RAW as SD! is more the wrestling show and JOMO has great in-ring skills but i do see a JOMO Miz fued in few yrs and then in awhile down the road as WM mainevent
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John Morrison should definitely be wwe champ in the next year or so. I dont care if i get blasted for saying this but he should be this generations Shawn Micheals. He has the look, the moveset, and the charisma is hiding somewhere in him as well. There is only a few things that are holding him back.
1.His finisher is just not cutting it. It a flashy move but doesnt look to powerful even if he does actually hit correctly. Most of the time(about 90%) he'll only get his head or his arms making contact with his oppenents body. He should move starship pain to a signature move and fine a better suited finisher. Honestly i enjoyed his use of the superkick or nitro blast as he called it. But any new finisher would be better than his current.
2. His current Face personality. Morrison just isnt as good of a face as he is a heel. As a heel morrison cut way better promos and was all around a better entertainer. Plus it gave the fans a rare opportunity of a high flying heel which is rare in the wwe these days.
1.His finisher is just not cutting it. It a flashy move but doesnt look to powerful even if he does actually hit correctly. Most of the time(about 90%) he'll only get his head or his arms making contact with his oppenents body. He should move starship pain to a signature move and fine a better suited finisher. Honestly i enjoyed his use of the superkick or nitro blast as he called it. But any new finisher would be better than his current.
2. His current Face personality. Morrison just isnt as good of a face as he is a heel. As a heel morrison cut way better promos and was all around a better entertainer. Plus it gave the fans a rare opportunity of a high flying heel which is rare in the wwe these days.
I guess television deceives. Nonetheless Edge is smaller than Cena in terms of build as well as John is smaller than Cena and all that.
Morrison definitely needs a better finisher, it's just too hard to hit the Starship Pain with it looking awkward, and he could use some mic skill polishing, but that's all stuff that can be changed. I enjoy his regular work in the ring and I think he has a nice blend of mat skills + aerial skills. He's like Jeff Hardy in a lot of ways, and frankly, if people can get behind him like they did Jeff, he'll definitely be a world champ someday. In fact, he has the added benefit of no drug problems (that we know of) working in his favor
Jeff Hardy is another case. He was actually interesting. He is superior to John Morrison. Both in getting over and in-ring ability. The problem between Jeff and John is that John doesn't amaze people like Jeff does. Jeff has an amazing finisher. But he just as well has a lot of experience jumping off ladders. Which is what build his legacy.
Just because he doesn't have a storyline it doesn't make him more credible if he had one. He kinda has one against Teddy now. But it's still boring. Ted could benefit from much more. And yes I see Ted coming out the beneficial person of this feud.
Probably. He'd have smaller guys to fight with. People he could look credible against on SmackDown. But there's a problem there as well. Lots, and I mean lots of people are more worthy of the World Heavyweight Championship on Smackdown already than John is gonna be if he gets drafted. Therefore eliminating the purpose anyway.
He's not that incredibly over. He's no Orton, John Cena, Christian, Big Show or Rey Mysterio. The most over people in the company. (I can live with canceling out Christian. I don't pay attention to pops)
And even with that. John doesn't fit into the world title scene right now. There's so many other people far superior to him. With a much, much bigger potential to actually make a run for the world title. If John ever gets a title. It's gonna be Guerrero style. A title for the sake of giving him a title because he's a veteran. And Morrison is no veteran yet.
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As far as the weight/size debate goes, how big is the Miz? Miz does have more confidence on the mic, I'm not going to defend John on that front, but his finisher is also fairly inconsistent so I could see a fair few botched 'Finales' in main event matches if this push follows through. Plus, when he first started out, Jeff Hardy's only finisher was the Swanton and then he made use of the Twist of Fate as he bulked up a bit, so maybe Morrison can keep the Starship Pain, a very unique move, but also add something a bit more consistent somewhere down the road.
Another thing on the weight/size thing, aren't WWE trying to move in the direction of smaller guys getting more championship opportunities in the future as Big Show, Taker, Kane, HHH and Mark Henry are coming to the end of their careers? Sure there's guys like Swagger, Edge and Cena who are comfortable over the 6 foot mark, but I really don't think the 'He wont be champ because he's too small' argument is going to hold up for much longer
Another thing on the weight/size thing, aren't WWE trying to move in the direction of smaller guys getting more championship opportunities in the future as Big Show, Taker, Kane, HHH and Mark Henry are coming to the end of their careers? Sure there's guys like Swagger, Edge and Cena who are comfortable over the 6 foot mark, but I really don't think the 'He wont be champ because he's too small' argument is going to hold up for much longer
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Yes, Morrison could be WWE Champion. No, it won't be from beating the Miz. I mean, it's always a possibility that they could rekindle the old feud, but it's been done a lot before. Maybe if Morrison or Miz get drafted and the Miz wins another championship. It would be a really cool in-ring feud. Morrison definitely needs a mouthpiece to be able to measure up the Miz's current run though....
But JoMo has a bigger build than Edge (in terms of muscles).
Jeff also had the benefit of entering WWE at a VERY young age (to this day he and matt are the youngest tag team champs in history, I believe), and also being in the tag division at a time where it was at its peak. Morrison did a lot of good things in the tag division himself, with Mercury and then Miz, and he didn't have the Dudleyz or E&C to counter-balance him.
In terms of ring ability, Hardy was underrated, especially his mat skills, but I don't think he was all that better than Morrison. Was he more over than John? Of course, but that doesn't mean that Morrison can't obtain that level of overness and even ring prowess with time and a little more experience. Like I said, despite the similar age, Hardy had the benefit of 4 or 5 years of WWE experience over JoMo.
Moreover their mic skills are comparable.
But see that's kind of my point. He doesn't have a direction, he's kind of floating without a proper feud, yet WWE still finds the need to put him on TV every week, put him in matches and even on PPVs (whereas Ted is likely going to be left off of SummerSlam, Morrison draws into the non-title main event).
It's a shame that RAW's writers can't seem to book a match that doesn't directly affect a feud. If they were more like SD's writers, you'd see John in matches against Edge, Jericho, etc, like he was on smackdown, and you'd see him shine, regardless of storylines.
I don't think we're arguing worthiness though. If championships were decided over worthiness, then Christian and Matt Hardy would have been world champs a LONG time ago. But in terms of look, drawing potential and potential effect on the company, I would take Morrison as a world champion over either of those guys. He's younger, he has more years left on him and, as far as I'm concerned, can hang in the ring with anyone just as much as they can.
It's definitely harder to go over guys like Sheamus and Triple H if you're smaller, but that's why they have 2 shows, and that's why Rey Mysterio is on the smaller show. I think Morrison is kind of nicely placed in between those two extremes.
These are fair points. And I'm aware this particular set of comments wasn't directed towards me, but I think in 2-3 years, we'll be having an entirely different conversation when it comes to John Morrison.
This is true. But looking past the build part and all that. Edge is a greater material wrestler when it comes to main eventing. He's great in the ring (At least he used to be, still good though). And he's great on the microphone. Something John can't brag about even if he tried.
I believe Rob Conway or his tag team partner (I can't remember his name) was the youngest title holder in WWE history. And they won the tag team championships. Either way yes Jeff entered at a young age. But it doesn't change the fact that he is still much more over than John is. And superior in the ring as well as he did more to get over.
Sure he did wonders for the tag team division. But not enough to get over. And he also did stuff in the mid-card as singles competitor. Still he didn't do enough or anything to get him over enough as Jeff did.
That's an arguable subject Prax. We could argue for hours on who we consider the better one. I find Jeff to be much better. Especially due to the fact that he actually hits his finishers consistently.
Also Jeff Hardy has 10 years superior experience. John debuted in 2003 through Tough Enough, and Jeff was a jobber through the most of the 90's. But yes John has less experience. And he's still skilled and all that. But even with that. How long does it take to learn your finisher consistently? And don't get me wrong it's a tough bitch to perform. But others have performed much harder moves and such and successfully as well.
True that. Yet I still have to hear Jeff botch a sentence. No scratch that. I have yet to hear Jeff butcher a sentence.
Proper is arguable once more. You could credit the Ted DiBiase situation as a feud. But even with a feud. He has failed to get over. He had a feud with Drew McIntyre, The Miz (partially), Show-Miz and a handful others I kinda forgot about (Which makes him forgettable. Not a plus).
Yes but what purpose would that have other than good matches? We wouldn't be seeing any matches that would put John over? Besides we're seeing a few every now and then. Sheamus has fought Mark Henry and Evan Bourne in the past 2 months. As well as Batista faced Bryan Danielson and Mark Henry.
Besides the primary need is to further feuds. We wanna see feuds hyped towards a show. Why not continue to do that then in some manner?
True that. But if we're arguing drawing abilities then. Then it still eliminates John Morrison pretty cleanly. The same goes if we're discussing over-all wrestler because his microphone skills pulls him down.
John most likely would never become a champion. Like I said in my original reply. He could. But most likely won't.
True. He would fit better on Smackdown. But he'd still not be the better choice for a world champion. Not because he's younger or any of that as you mentioned comparing to Christian or Matt. But because of the things I mentioned above.
Arguable Prax. We could very well have this conversation. Or we could be seeing threads screaming "OH NOES THEY RELEASED JOHN MORRISON. IT'S SHELTON BENJAMIN ALL OVER AGAIN. WHAT SHALL WE DO?!".
Sure, he could, but it's not likely. That ship has sailed, I'd say. How long has he been in the company, 6 or 7 years by now? I don't see him improving much anytime soon. Sure, he's a nice little wrestler, but isn't what I'd consider a champion, especially not with the silliest finisher of all time.
There were always be someone younger/better/fresher than Morrison there to get the belt when none of the top guys are in position to run with it. He's never going to become a consistent main event guy, that's for sure. I'd say the chaces of him winning a World Title are somewhere around 5%, while the chances that he looked incredibly silly on Raw last Monday are at 100%.
There were always be someone younger/better/fresher than Morrison there to get the belt when none of the top guys are in position to run with it. He's never going to become a consistent main event guy, that's for sure. I'd say the chaces of him winning a World Title are somewhere around 5%, while the chances that he looked incredibly silly on Raw last Monday are at 100%.
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