Cm Punks Heel Turn

[rkonitro34]

ECW has deffinetly been getting better since they started the New Breed vs The Originals. And even having Vince on ECW makes it worth while. They do need another belt soon tho b/c just having the heavyweight title isnt cutting it.
I think CM Punk is gonna end up turning on the New Breed tho. i'd like to see him face RVD tho thatd be a good math but idk if we will. they need to have more extreme rules matches b/c that WM23 rematch was probably the best match theyve had on ECW since it debuted on Sci-Fi

 

[Prax]

You know why ECW's been getting better lately? Two words:

Dusty Rhodes.

These storylines have been showing up ever since it was reported he was taking over the reigns of the creative team for ECW. He turned Smackdown! around last year as well... now hopefully Smackdown! won't suffer too much without him, but we'll see.

The New Breed vs. the Originals has made ECW worth watching again. It's given the Originals a sense of purpose and it's given the people in the New Breed some experienced wrestlers to work with, so they're feeding off each other. Hopefully they go somewhere good with this whole thing.

 

[ExtremeIronChef]

This may turn out to be a decent angle. I am hoping for a RVD/Punk match, but one that lasts more than 5 minutes. I want to see a good 30 minute match between the two to really show off their true abilities. But who knows what will happen. I do agree though that Dusty Rhodes working on WWECW has really helped a lot lately. Sure it's not ECW but it's getting better. But I'd still like to see every match be no rules and the use of weapons run more rampant, just like the old ECW, but I guess we'll have to settle with this. I just hope it gets better. That's all I ask really.

 

[kev7471]

I think just about every angle and character they have on ECW is a joke. I mean they have credible superstars like Hardcore Holly and RVD but they're not using them to they're potentioal. I think Test was a great addition to ECW but they didn't really give him a chance. I was hoping for the best with this new ECW but really its just ship slowly going under.
I think putting Lashley as the champ is kinda stupid, they need to give that belt to an original or at least give one of the originals a decent title run instead of this New Breed vs. Originals angle that got old 3 weeks into the feud. I don't know, I hope it shapes up, but it does'nt look that way.

 

[Shadowmancer]

So the feud was boring at Wrestlemania, where they put on an OK match and then they had the match the next ECW be considered a very good match. The New Breed Vs. Originals storyline is getting interesting, look at how Dusty Rhodes is booking this story development of CM Punk in the New Breed, it shows that WWECW maybe righting the ship in terms of the rest of the show, no they just need to fix the main event level in ECW.
Test ruined his own chances in ECW by getting too big to pull off moves properly because he got to big on Steroids, RVD is off the main event picture in ECW right now because he hasn't signed a new deal with WWE yet. So if he signs again I can see him getting back into the title picture. This is just my take on your post. nothing personal.

 

[The Canadian Crippler]

Actually what led to the release of test was that bobby lashley took his spot in the title contention just like how christian cage took monty brown's on tna which led to why he left for wwe...obviously there is speculation on test using steriods, but that's it! He never confirmed it, but never denied it...and I loved test...he was the best heel they have had so far...what the fuck's with snitsky?........seriously

 

[Shadowmancer]

^Test had a number of things going wrong for him towards the end of His last run. He was rumoured to have failed a Steroid test and then he crashed a car, It ended up being a huge slew of problems. Im going to borrow something Kasey mentioned a while ago on here and that was about using Steroids and getting Back Acne, Snitsky has it, test has got it, but the the thing to look at is the Size increase from a few years ago to when he resigned with WWE, it was a big jump in size. Your right Test was the best Heel that WWECW had but that didn't combine with In Ring work.

Now back on topic, CM Punks, heel turn is getting more interesting every week with him effectively handing the chair to RVD, personnally I like how Dusty is having this turn go, right now I don't think fans have completely turned on him yet, I think they will if WWE allow him to go into full Heel mode eventually when they let him near the title, with the Hard-Line Straight Edge stuff, that made him a great heel in ROH and the Indys.

 

[mattitude_2007]

I dont really watch ECW, I only flip to it to see C.M, because, i dont really like how WWE has made ECW into WWECW.

oh, why did they decide to drop the hardcore stuff?

 

[justinsayne]

Punks heel turn is the most interesting thing to hppen to ECW, since WWE started it(their version of it anyway), I like how it seems that Punk has earned the trust of the NB, except for Burke, who keeps telling Punk that he needs to "fall in line", and it looks like Punk is trying to take the leader role, kinda reminds me of the Rock/Farooq/Nation feud from back in the attitude era, it's just too bad that ECW doesn't have a mid-card title belt, because this could set up some great matches, the big one that sticks out at the moment would be RVD vs. Burke vs. Punk

 

[Prax]

I dont really watch ECW, I only flip to it to see C.M, because, i dont really like how WWE has made ECW into WWECW.

oh, why did they decide to drop the hardcore stuff?

Because it wasn't necessarily helping their ratings. As much as there's a cult following to ECW, there's really nothing that that following can do to help them as a business, I would imagine.

I read that they want to use ECW as a training ground, of sources, for some young talent that's not quite ready for the main shows and some mid carders who they want to give shots at wrestling in main events, buffered with a couple bigger name stars in between. Makes sense to me. ECW is there just because people remember the name.

As for CM Punk, I love his cocky attitude. Was looking at some of his older indi promos and I think we migth be in for some good stuff if they actually give him the mic a little more often. He's a great talker and an even better talker as a heel.

 

[Punisher1205]

So, WTF are they doing with Punk? i just finished watching ECW, and i'm lost, is he a heel? is he a face in a heel situation? is he neutral? is he gonna stay with new breed? is he gonna lead new breed? is he gonna join originals? is he gonna just say Fuck off to both groups? I'm lost at whats going on... anyone know? or think they know?

 

[Prax]

I think that's the idea Punisher... I haven't watched it yet (doesn't come on in Quebec until Friday as I've whined about many times before), but it sounds like they're making him a tweener... either that or they're pushing a storyline.

Either way, kudos to the ECW writing staff (mainly Dusty Rhodes)... they've generated a buzz around CM Punk... what will he do? no one knows!!!

 

[A.J.]

You said it Prax Dusty Rhodes is what WWE needs on all the brands. This buzz aroudn PUnk will begin to draw people into ECW and wanting to know is Punk with the new breed or with the oringinals or what.

I love the storyline and Punk is playing it well as he shows he can play both a heel and face. In a way that are making ECW around Punkk well the tv show they are.

 

[Prax]

That's why CM Punk's so great Dr! he can play either role to perfection. He's so good in the rink that people will cheer for him, but he can cut such a badass promo that he can be considered a believable heel. His facial expressions are awesome too.

As for Dusty Rhodes, I love that man. He turned Smackdown! around, now he's doing the same with ECW. They should just have him do 4 months a year on each brand, lol.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Ill be watching this on Saturday, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out. As for Dusty being this good, I think it comes from the fact that he has been in so many promotions over the Years including a term in the Original ECW, does anyone know how long his feud with Steve Corino went because I have 3 PPVs with the Dusty/Corino feud, boy was that a bloody feud, Probably since Corino was Bleach blonde, but that was Off topic. As for CM Punk if they are building the show around him they are going to fail if he gets injured, But if they build him enough than give him the Title while building up another guy for him to Feud with than I think that CM Punk could be the beginning of a New Golden Age (along with Kennedy) of WWE wrestling.

 

[Kain27]

So, WTF are they doing with Punk? i just finished watching ECW, and i'm lost, is he a heel? is he a face in a heel situation? is he neutral? is he gonna stay with new breed? is he gonna lead new breed? is he gonna join originals? is he gonna just say Fuck off to both groups? I'm lost at whats going on... anyone know? or think they know?

Well i think basically judging from ECW last night, is that Punk is still considered a heel. He gets the pops from the crowd because people will like him either way and is he defying "the leader" Elijah Burke thus making him more popular than any other New Breed member. As for staying in the New Breed i think thats his plan, his idea is to try and push Elijah out of the group or at least out of his leader spot. That is my take on it so far, hope this helps!

 

[justinsayne]

I think they are going down the simmiler road as they did with the Rock when he joined the Nation, and then turned on Farrooq (who was the leader of The Nation at the time), then went on to lead the group, ultimitley I think this is the best thing for ECW right now, and if it leaves fans wondering WTF is going on then the storyline is doing what it needs to be doing and getting you to want to tune in next week to see what turns this might take next

 

[Punisher1205]

I think they are going down the simmiler road as they did with the Rock when he joined the Nation, and then turned on Farrooq (who was the leader of The Nation at the time), then went on to lead the group, ultimitley I think this is the best thing for ECW right now, and if it leaves fans wondering WTF is going on then the storyline is doing what it needs to be doing and getting you to want to tune in next week to see what turns this might take next

Exactly... its really weird, because a couple months ago, if you would have told me I would actually be looking forward to an ECW storyline over either of the other shows every week... I would have laughed right in your face... but here we are, and this CM Punk/New Breed storyline has me doing just that, Waiting for tuesday night just so i can see what happens next!

 

[Downward Spiral]

The whole situation seems weird to me. If Punk's heel turn is finished already, I think it's just too quick and the whole Burke vs Punk for the leadership role came to early in Punk's involvement with the New Breed. To get an accurate knowledge of how well CM Punk is going to do as a heel, they need to prolong his heel turn. I think it's probably going to result in Punk returning face to feud with Elijah Burke but it's just too rushed. Last week was probably a great set up to what would look like a few weeks of that Burke/Punk tension, yet it was just blown off too early this week and I don't think we want to see it. We haven't seen Punk as a heel properly and I think it would be a waste of time to see it last for only 2 weeks. The decision to make him attack Burke and try to get the fans cheering for him again was probably because the WWE thought that the fans weren't receiving the turn well, although that could come down to the fact that they weren't given enough to bite into in his heel state to start with. I don't know where this leads, and who knows? Burke could turn face (although I doubt it) and break off from the New Breed and take the push that was probably destined for Punk, and CM Punk could remain a heel by leading the New Breed, but ultimately, I think we are in need for some explaining as to what is going to happen, but the obvious scenario is that Punk is back to a face now, apart from the New Breed completely.

 

[watchingandwaiting]

When Punk first turned, Burke asked him why he joined the New Breed but Punk said he would answer at another time. In light of the way this past week's show ended, I think that next week will be the Punk promo where he says that he joined the New Breed because it had a weaker leader than the Originals and thus it would be easier for him to take control. Where they go from there will be interesting. I can't see Burke being a "lone wolf" heel but at the same time I can't see him turning face also, so that leaves re-taking control of the New Breed from Punk..but that would seem to weaken Punk's push, which also doesn't seem to make much sense. Like justinsayne and punisher said before...this storyline is great for getting people to look forward to ECW being on and I hope that WWE manages to keep the momentum going since ECW needs all the help it can get..

 

[ExtremeRage81]

This whole heel turn has been confusing for me. However, I think that if they are aiming to have Ellijah go face against a new breed led by Punk and think it will work, VMac is seriously more senial than I thought. Cause there's no chance in hell of it working. And, what is with Punk's new finisher? What happened to the Anaconda Vice. Nothing was wrong with that move. Now, all he has is a gut buster. That's it.

 

[watchingandwaiting]

GTS isn't a gut buster, it's a fireman's carry into knees to the face (check Wikipedia). It makes sense that he isn't using the Vice since, in WWE, he hasn't been put over as a great technical wrestler (yet) or a power house and those are really the only two types of characters that have submission finishers (think benoit and chris masters as examples). **Does not apply if you name is John Cena** Besides, if Punk every ends up in a longer PPV match, having both kinds of finishers adds a lot of possibilities to the booking.

I agree Elijah Burke won't work as a face..he is just too insufferable as a heel, plus the Elijah Express requires him to hit his opponent from behind, which is classic heel.

As for what is going on.. Here is one possible scenario. Punk takes over the lead of the New Breed. This will add new life to the Originals/New Breed fued. Depending on how its booked, they could continue having Punk's motives be secret and not turn him into a full heel. If he does turn fully heel, it gives the chance for an RVD/Punk match in a PPV or two. Meanwhile, Elijah disappears for a few weeks and then reappears as the mouthpiece of Snitsky to further push the the inevitable fued with Lashley and at the same time can use Snitsky to attack Punk (assuming he's still not fully heel).

Who's got some other possibilities?

 

[Punisher1205]

hmmmm, that snitsky thing is a good idea, because snitsky really needs someone to talk for him, because that may be the most boring storyline going on right now... really annoying also, I mean, really, how can they show a promo for snitsky before he "unexpectedly" interrupts a match or the dancing stuff.

If Elijah were to do that, i think it would work very well, plus then they could keep both heel, which needs to happen, WWE cant just pussy out on the punk heel turn, and make him face again. and i agree completly they need to make his motives known because any good face at least has to have known motives, OR just be some monster like snitsky, even though he doesnt generate hardly any heat.

 

[TNA Smark]

CM Punk's heel turn was short lived which was bad imo. They should of let him cut a few promos when he was heel to really get over. I know he got a negative response when he turned heel and they still chanted his name and such but if they gave him mic time and put him in proper angles he would of gotten over. Look at his ROH heel days. He got over big time. My fondest promo of him and the promo I will never forget is when he got on the stick and was getting ready to saw his WWE contract on the ROH World Title. He made me and the crowd pissed at him. Thank god for Daniels and comapny comming out to stop it. The ROH World Title is way too prestigue for a WWE contract to be even near it. I think there are only 9 or 10 ROH World Champs but they each had long reigns. Not sure if it was 9 or 10 though maybe less. CM Punk was one of those champions. This Punk/Elijah thing can go far imo with some good matches but first they should end the Originals/New Breed angle and have CM Punk vs. New Breed. Ever since New Breed came a long WWECW has become a bit more interesting.

 

[mabuza]

At this point I'm done trying to figure out what they're doing in the WWE creative team.Punk's heel turn has to long overdue,now the risk accidently buring his career if they screw up this storyline.It would have made more sense proir to December to Dismember if he'd turned on RVD or something,right now the NEW BREED is being disbanded,Where will that leave him?