Cm Punks Heel Turn

[A.J.]

I think the Punk heel move is what he needs to further himself in WWE and espically in the new ECW. I can see great feuds coming off from this espically RVD anf Sabu though i do see Punk vs Sandman polly on the next ECW show. To be a good wrestler you need to be able to adapt to different personas as a face and a heel. He was a bit stale as a face andf a heel turn with the new breed will do him wonders. Hopefully after feuds with Sabu and RVD he will be able to head to Smackdown and flurish there more and evolve his wrestling skills.

Who knows he could be like RVD was the alliance a few years back where he was the only face on a heel group so never know

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I prefer Punk as a heel. But in my opinion the turn was not needed. He wasnt stale as a face. It just seem's like a turn for no reason. Hopefully RVD/Punk will happen One Night Stand.

 

[EP Punk]

OK, first, to those who continuously call it a Straight Edge "Gimmick" IT IS NOT A GIMMICK!!! IT IS NOT SOMETHING A BOOKER BESTOWED ON HIM! Straight Edge is the lfestyle that he, as well as myself, have chosen to follow. He is straight edge, although I'm sure the PTB will incorporate it into his heel persona. I was thinking last night that as RVD was saying he would fit with the Criginals, his sXe lifestyle would not make any sense going into a stable w/ Rob and Silent 'Bu and Sandman. Look for Punk and RVD to headline a title feud after, as I am predicting, McMahon (either one) somehow pins lashley, and then proceed to vacate the title, leaving it up in a tourney, which will come down to RVD and CMP, w/ Punk coming out the winner and setting up a long feud.
and :: Not all Straight Edgers are the way you imbeciles portray. Maybe it's your own insecurities in the way you live your lives making you see us like that. So, smoke up, drink up, and die early, then the world will be more open to me and "my kind"

 

[Undertaker]

Punk is the man regardless of wether he is heel or face. I am a huge fan of Punk and as an ECW originals hater aside of Sandman, I like him going with the New Breed.

I am also a fan of Burke, who can flat out wrestle. Also I like Thorne and Ariel is the hottest diva on the roster. Striker, I can take him or leave him but he can wrestle and is very well spoken, should have a decent career, but not a heavyweight champion because he lacks size. Marcus Corvan (sp) (Monty Brown) is decent, but he is really rusty, and he was with TNA for a long time, but he is getting better.

I liked seeing Punk go against the originals, I hate RVD and Sabu. Tommy Dreamer is ok, he is good in the ring, and Sandman is the best ECW Original in my opinion!

CM Punk turned heel, but I have to say I almost expect a swerve from him, where he turns on the Breed, but also doesn't go with the originals.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

haha thats good stuff man, im straight edge too, and you make a good point..I dont think im better than any PERSON, i jus think people do dumb shit, and things that im above, if u have self respect ur not gonna run around looking like a drunk moron...ANYWAY...I think it would be sorta cool if the new breed started crossing over to other brands, like going anywere they want, unstoppable heel group of sorts...they may not have had the star power to pull it off before, but if they have punk now, it might be able to happen, them branching out to wreak havoc on other brands, and this would also make more casual raw/smackdown veiwers turn to ecw, becuase the hate the new breed so much, u could see different people coming to ECW to try and get revenge "on the new breeds home turf"...whatcha yalls think??

 

[thelcon21]

This was a bad mistake CM Punk is the one good thing in ECW. He got the loudest ovation everytime he came out. Now there is only RVD and he will be gone soon.

 

[debisib]

u guys r being a lil prejudice dont you think? I used to be straight edge, but now im in college and drinking and smoking adds a lot more entertainment to the otherwise, rather lame, Seton Hall days. I dont see why you would hate on a really unique wrestler like RVD cause hes a pothead, when Cm Punk is the same way in wrestling technique, but he claims to be straight edge... its just unnecesary for you to frown upon me and make comments like " if you have self respect you wont run around liek a drunk moron".

anyway... if you r gonna be like that... most straight edge ppl i have met, including myself before i tried it out... are rly anti-everything and pretend that it makes them better, while the pot smokers and drinkers have no problem with the straight edge ppl.

Punk is a sick wrestler and i love the heel turn, and honestly, after u guys saying stuff like that... its gonna make it easier for me to dislike his straight edge 'lifestlye' gimmick.

 

[andrewski08]

Truthfully, I am very split on this one.

I've been a fan of CM Punk sine the ROH days, and I've enjoyed his competing in ECW more than anybody else in the new ECW..

I agree this may be bad though, CM Punk was one of the only people in ECW with that big of a fan reaction.. that's due also to the unresponsive crowds in the new ECW.. but taking away one of the biggest faces is taking away a huge crowd reaction.

At the same time, this will be an interesting story to watch. CM Punk does great as a heel. I've seen his heel work in ROH and a little bit in WWE Heat.. but either way it'll be interesting.

 

[GhΩst]

I just want to say that I agree with the heel turn.

I was there live in Providence, and after he turned heel and the show went off air. I started yelling at him that he sold out. He immediately turned to me (in the front row), and started yelling, "I sold out, you don't even know me." Then we started yelling at each other.

Of course I was just joking. I believe this heel turn will be better for his gimmick.

 

[scorpionz_venom]

Hey straight-edge guys, it's still his GIMMICK. It may be his lifestyle, but on television, its used as a gimmick. FBI may really be some tough ass Italian dudes on the street, but once they do it in wrestling to make viewers feel one way or another about it, it's a GIMMICK. Personally, I'm not shittin on the lifestyle, but would you try to fight someone because they feel different, like we're saying Punk might do with Sandman, Sabu, and RVD? Doubt it. It's a gimmick.

 

[EP Punk]

I realize it is gimmick as well, but that is all that half the people in this thread view it as. Yes, he turned the lifestyle into his gimmick..but it is more than that. And don't look for Punk vs Sandman out of this, they will probably thrust him right against RVD, stemming from their interaction last night.

 

[Satan's Hockey]

I think it's great for CM Punk to turn heel. I saw all his ROH stuff and he was a fantastic heel.

On a sidenote...I am also straight edge and I am almost out of college. I have plenty of friends who drink and do other stuff but I don't tell them or suggest to them what they should do with their lives. Straight edge is my choice and my way of life and I am very proud of it but I don't feel the need to shove it down anyone's throat.

 

[chaos76522]

CM punk turning heel is a excellent idea...But if he stays "straight edge" it won't work....ECW needs a legit heel, and i think Punk is THAT guy

 

[CenaFanNumber1]

seriously man straight edge people are just fuckin idiots you only live once man and evry straight edge dude ive known has been a douche that hates everythin n thinks theyre better then evryone else.

im glad cm punk is a heel now cuz like every1 said now he can feud with rvd and sabu.

 

[doom]

I don't know if I like it yet, but he will be good at it and it surprised me for sure.

 

[EP Punk]

As far as Punk turning Heel, I think it will be good for him and allow him to have more freedom in his character, and he will probably end up being a Rock or stone Cold type where he will "officially" be heel but will get cheered everytime he walks thru the curtain.

Now, until you walk a mile in my shoes...do NOT call me an idiot. If you wanna "live" by getting drunk and high, go for it dude, that's your deal, but don't mock what you can't possibly understand, seeing as how you are a dumbass mark who thinks Cena is the greatest and will now boo CM punk because he made a heel turn, even tho at Wrestlemania you probably cheered until you wet your good nite for him

 

[Shocky]

What the hell does being straight edge have to do with his gimmick. It's a choice that the man has made in life, big deal. Being straight edge doesn't determine whether a person is heel or not, the persons attitude determines whether the person is a heel or not. CM Punk made a heel move last night, so hence, he is being turned heel. Stone Cold was the Anti-Straight Edge, so does that make him a heel, no.

The next big thing is, will the crowd buy a heel CM Punk. The new breed sucks ass, but Punk I think is almost way too over to become a true heel. The only way I see him getting the Heel heat they need is by aligning him with Vince or Shane. The smart fans love the mans in ring ability, in which the original ECW is lacking as of late. He's going shine in ECW as a heel, and I think they've just made him a tweener. I'll be happy to see A CM Punk RVD feud. If RVD leaves the company, what a way for him to go out.

We'll have to see the next few weeks on how well the heel turn ends up. I'm having a feeling you're going to hear cheers for the man regardless of what WWE tries to do.

 

[Jon Bon D'kon]

I was straight edge for a long long time, until finally I gave in and had a beer with a buddy. So now I drink, go to the bars, smoke it up, whatever. I'm having more fun now than I ever had when I was straight edge. But, I don't really care what people do one way or the other. One of my absolute best friends is completely straight edge, and he goes to the bar with me. He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he just chills.

If you're straight edge, you're not better than me because I drink. I'm not better than you because I drink. The whole thing with this country is supposed to be "All men are created equal" and yet here you all are, spouting off your holier than thou nonsense.

Get over yourselves.

 

[TheRealDC]

I missed WWECW Tuesday night and I just watched CM Punk turn heel. It really wasn't all that surprising to me. The moment didn't seem to matter much to the audience in attendance, if the fan reaction were to have played a part in it, then Punk would have joined the Originals is my guess. I always thought that that would be a good way to determine whether you go heel or not... have a wrestler go out to the crowd with two things in mind, if the crowd cheers for you NOT to do it, then don't. If they have a lack luster approach to your persona then its time to change it up a bit.

Being a straightedge really has nothing to do with the storyline, I think the reason people will be quick to make the assumption is because he spent a better part of the time playing the neutral party. He just wanted competition from either side, and I think that is the reasoning people are trying to get at. Other then that though, I really don't see ECW lasting a whole lot longer anyway, Punk's heel turn will be pretty interesting to watch, and hopefully he gets some good matches with originals. The New Breed now has two people that so far I am impressed with, CM Punk, and Kevin Thorn (he can wrestler pretty good and holds his own, he doesn't have to talk much and I like that)

Congratulations CM Punk... may your new turn... umm... be decent while it lasts...

 

[hellsing56]

he makes a great heel. he can do some classic promos. i think it's great.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

oookaaaaayy well i thought these were forums about wrestleing, not discussing lifestyles, sooo how bout we stop bashing/supporting straight edge people/lifestyle.....look, u cant place blanket asumptions on a type of lifestyle, and say "this is how they act" or "they are all douche bags who dont know how to have fun"...thats friggin ignorant...and i dont belive the wwe is gonna try to press that angle cuz it wouldnt make any sense becuase obviously the REST of the group isnt straight edge...how could u have his main heel angle, be straight edge im better than you, when the very group he runs with isnt straight edge, so i cant see how that angle would even make sense...maybe if he was a loner, but he just became part of a heel GROUP....but yea im all for gettin that belt off of lashley and lettin ECW guys feud over it...since it holds little importance at the moment, i think you might be more apt to see younger guys win it, and have legit shots at it, ala somthing like champ RVD against any young guy from the new breed...i mean, i cant particularly imagine matt striker with the belt, but you know what i mean lol.....

 

[JamesTheWolf]

first off, I refrained from posting in here due to my following of the Straight Edge lifestyle, and like norcal said,

look, you cant place blanket assumptions on a type of lifestyle and say "this is how they act" or "they are all douche-bags who don't know how to have fun"...that's friggin ignorant.

but... on with my opinion.

aside from the turn making no sense, since they just ofer him backup, where punk is already over more than anyone, and giving him the cheap victory is detrimental to his character, the way they tuned him heel started him off with absolutely no heat. he has nothing to play with, and he will just be a lackey like stryker. this really ads nothing to the New InBreed and ECW Originals storyline either.

I am of the opinion that McMahon does not like punk because he did not create him. McMahon loves anything he creates, and sets out to hire and destroy what he does not. an example would be Shane Douglas being Dean Douglas in his WWF/E run. This is the plan for CM Punk. you take away his credibility and trademark his name, then release him, so he works the indys as D J Funk or something, and casual fans won't go any more, due to the fact that"if he can't make it in the WWE, He must not be that good."

 

[blowjoe5]

haha thats good stuff man, im straight edge too, and you make a good point..I dont think im better than any PERSON, i jus think people do dumb shit, and things that im above, if u have self respect ur not gonna run around looking like a drunk moron...ANYWAY...I think it would be sorta cool if the new breed started crossing over to other brands, like going anywere they want, unstoppable heel group of sorts...they may not have had the star power to pull it off before, but if they have punk now, it might be able to happen, them branching out to wreak havoc on other brands, and this would also make more casual raw/smackdown veiwers turn to ecw, becuase the hate the new breed so much, u could see different people coming to ECW to try and get revenge "on the new breeds home turf"...whatcha yalls think??

I'm a massive fan of the punk heel turn. Just what his career, the new breed and ecw in general needed. I hope vince takes fucking lashley off ecw asap though. It actually has potential to work better now, especially as vince has decided to ease up on punk and rvd. I agree with you completely about the new breed going to other shows etc, though not the straight edge stuff. Being straight edge is fine, but people who are shouldn't shove it in peoples faces which is sometimes the case. Also, you can drink sensibly and not act like a drunken moron.

 

[Punisher1205]

I didn't see this coming, but CM Punk has been one of my favorite new wrestlers in years, and would have liked his "straight edge" gimmick to stay as a face than a heel. The much-boosted straight edge gimmick does not make much sense if he's a heel, does it? As long as he's a heel, I hope they drop that gimmick.

I haven't seen CM Punk in Ring of Honor, so I can't say much about him being a heel. CM Punk was perhaps the most cheered superstar in ECW, so it'll be interesting to see fans' reactions of him as a heel.

-=MaStA ViC

First off, you cant just DROP the straight edge thing, because thats really him... he is straight edge...

second, A heel turn with that gimmick is perfect, then you can start the whole... I'm better than you, and here is why... thing, or have him get really offensive with it, and want to push his views on other wrestlers...

it makes sense if he is in the fued to join new breed because straight edge, and originals... doesnt make any sense what-so-ever.
Reason 1.
The Sandman. Nuff said

Reason 2
did everyone forget the whole, Sabu/RVD caught smoking pot deal?

So that is why this is a good move by the creative team. because just having him wrestle random wrestlers week in and week out gets old. he is Way over right now, and i think he can pull the heel turn.

But also, i could see the creative team overlooking the whole Straight Edge vs originals problem, and having this be punk setting the new bread up. Its not like they havent overlooked things before...

Cryme tyme number one contenders match anyone?

or hell, shawn Micheals in DX? what happened? he didnt even mention anything about it...

 

[Prax]

Punisher, just because he's straight edge doesn't mean he has to hate people who drink beer or smoke pot. It's a good way to further the angle but don't say he CAN'T join the Originals because of that (and don't get me wrong I'm all for the heel turn, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here).

Also, if for angle purposes the wanted him to drop the Straight Edge gimmick i doubt he would have the choice. It's not like they would be asking him to start drinking beers like Austin in the ring or something. That comment is just silly, he does what the creative team ask him to do.