CM Punk, I mean Phil Brooks?

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

Yeah that really explains why he left the multi-billion dollar company of his own accord and won't return even though Vince would welcome him back with open arms

So you say... There's a hundred different versions of what went on. Are you VKM? And know for a fact he would take him back? 2 people know. McMahon and Brooks, period... And yes, priorities are his money. He's cashing in on what wwe MADE FAMOUS!! Brooks had the name cm punk in indies, but he wasn't cashing any 7 digit pay days until wwe MADE the name C.M. Punk a household name..he's still cashing in on what wwe made famous. Chick Magnet Punk (yup that's what it stands for) wasn't cashing 7 and 8 digit pay days in garages and indies..

 

[Mustang Sally]

Does Vince own "John Cena" and "Randy Orton"?

I've wondered about that, too. How can an organization get away with stopping someone from appearing outside that company under their real name? It reminds me of what went down with Bruno Sammartino years ago. Even back then, WWWF was having performers give them exclusive rights to the names under which they wrestled. I read that when Bruno left WWE and tried to appear in other places under his own name, WWWF/WWF tried to prevent him from doing so. I don't know whether there were legal proceedings (or the threat of them) but Bruno has appeared under his real name all these years, so it was probably decided a company couldn't prevent a performer from using his birth name.....without making a legal challenge of it.

As to Punk, if he owns the rights to the name, it would be to his extreme advantage to appear under that name for his MMA events. Surely, he'll attract more wrestling fans, especially casual ones, by using CM Punk than Phil Brooks.

Yeah, we know that Punk is Brooks but a lot of folks who watch MMA wouldn't. To attract fans, better he use his adopted name rather than his real one.

 

[SJ5522]

So you say... There's a hundred different versions of what went on. Are you VKM? And know for a fact he would take him back? 2 people know. McMahon and Brooks, period... And yes, priorities are his money. He's cashing in on what wwe MADE FAMOUS!! Brooks had the name cm punk in indies, but he wasn't cashing any 7 digit pay days until wwe MADE the name C.M. Punk a household name..he's still cashing in on what wwe made famous. Chick Magnet Punk (yup that's what it stands for) wasn't cashing 7 and 8 digit pay days in garages and indies..

what is even your point? how is Punk more of a sellout or a moneygrabber than any other wrestler who ever signed a WWE contract ever? Punk would've already been one of the highest earners in independent American wrestling, he had a big cult following anyway. Sure WWE will have multiplied his fanbase by a lot but I just don't see how changing to a lower earning profession is moneygrabbing behaviour. The UFC stuff might go well for him and they'll sell a lot of PPVs off of him but if you think that money compares to appearing on Raw and Smackdown every week, the pay-out from WWE games, shirts, wrestling figures, WrestleMania and everything else then you don't know what you're on about

Re: Vince, I listened to a Vince interview by Stone Cold and he said he would be open to working with Punk again. And you could tell by the way he said it that he would love if that could happen, usually Vince loves to get a stab in at somebody who left the company, but in this interview, McMahon was properly playing the humble card

 

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

McMahon humble?? Your joking right?youve forgotten how good of an actor he is.

I was told by my professor a few years ago that in any statement the truth always comes after the word "but"...

 

[Nate DaMac]

I think in the end he has one thing in his priority list, $$$

Now you're getting it. His main priority is money. Which should be the main priority of every single professional wrestler in the world. If it's not, you're what we call a "mark."

 

[SJ5522]

McMahon humble?? Your joking right?youve forgotten how good of an actor he is.

just search stone cold vince mcmahon cm punk on youtube. I didn't 'buy' his humble act either, but when a superstar has left WWE in a big way, with some bad blood involved, Vince is always the first to shit on that wrestler/ just saying he didn't take that approach with Punk and has always spoke highly of them.

 

[Messiah]

Huh, I didn't realize he was going by any name now. I thought he was done with everything.. I heard year's ago he owned that name though, unless WWE bought it a couple year's ago which is unlikely since he still uses it.

 

[SJ5522]

Huh, I didn't realize he was going by any name now. I thought he was done with everything.. I heard year's ago he owned that name though, unless WWE bought it a couple year's ago which is unlikely since he still uses it.

he retired from wrestling. He's most likely taking the Punk name to UFC, where I fear he's gonna get the living shit kicked out of him

 

[MWRedskins]

of course Punk likes his money, but i dont think that's the reason he walked out. i think the key reason for walking out is that CM Punk felt he was a bigger star than what WWE thought and that he should get booked like one. in other words, he felt a (planned) triple h vs. Punk match was bad and likely he also didnt like having to have a match with Kane at Elimination Chamber either. i believe that Punk thought he should've been in the world title match and not in a match with Triple H and if Triple H planned to book himself to go over CM Punk, that may have made it worse. i dont think it was money because Punk was making great money in WWE. i think it was more on Punk wanting to be booked like a John Cena type (face of the company).

 

[whoopin' ass]

Brooks owns the name. They had a merch deal when he was there but he owns the name. It was like with Stone Cold before he legally changed his name to Austin - wwe owned Stone Cold, he owned Steve Austin so when he was away, the could still sell merch under Stone Cold but couldn't use Steve Austin and he could still use Steve Austin but not Stone Cold. And why wouldn't he still use the name - it is known where as Phil Brooks isn't.

 

[SJ5522]

Phil is a really un-straight edge sounding name, for one thing. Sounds like a guy who smashes a pint over your head

 

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

And now look at the mess Stone Cold is in with merchandise sales...

 

[Mustang Sally]

i think it was more on Punk wanting to be booked like a John Cena type (face of the company).

Anyone who performs on a big stage has to have a big ego; the idea of getting up in front of a crowd is something many folks could never do. Still, I would like to think most people have a realistic idea of what they're worth, particularly in comparison to others in the same field.

Yes, tons of folks on this forum went absolutely nuts over Punk in 2011, but I thought he was a good performer who might have been booked over his head, having gotten there because he seemed to spend so much time lobbying for himself with management.

Obviously, he succeeded.....so, good for him. Still, if he thought he was legitimately in Cena's league for #1 in the company, he was never going to be happy in WWE.....and what wound up happening was inevitable.

And if he was smart enough to secure the CM Punk name for himself as a condition when he first entered WWE, more power to him for making a smart move.

 

[The Kiz]

CM Punk has the rights to his name.

As far as the man himself goes, he was my favourite wrestler at one point, had all his t-shirts, bought his merch, went to house shows on the basis of seeing him. Then when he started this "I need time off" nonsense, I kind of lost respect for him, seeing as that he seemed to be complaining about what he was campaigning for in the first place.

He claimed in that 2011 promo that he wanted to be 'the face of WWE', with his name up in lights, on the promotional videos and on cups, yet he didn't want to put in the hard work that comes with it.
By the time his 'tell all' podcast with Colt Cabana came around I pretty much disliked the guy and everything he stands for, but after the podcast I hate him. He is basically telling the most one sided story I've ever heard, I think WWE and people involved would love to hit back at him but are staying professional.

He said he didn't quit he was fired after receiving his termination papers, but why did he receive those papers? It was because he QUIT.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I think Phil Brooks actually owns the rights to the trademark "CM Punk"- if I remember rightly that was one of the things he insisted on when renegotiating his contract with WWE after inititally planning to leave the company.

He has his own shop on prowrestlingtees where he uses the CM Punk name too, and if he wasn't able to do so, WW would prevent it- as they've recently done with Steve Austin and several of his products branded "Stone Cold". If Brooks is able to legally use the CM Punk name, it would make no sense for him not to.

I fully expect him to enter the Octogon under the name CM Punk, or at least "CM Punk" Phil Brooks". His wrestling name is known far more than his real name, so for publicity it makes perfect sense to utilise that, just like Dwayne Johnson used "The Rock" as his acting name and then Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson befoe eventually sticking to his real name once he'd established himself in that field.