So, apparently D thought that my comment was spam. I stand behind my word that you made a straight jack ass of yourself with the aforementioned comment, because if you look at the footage it was simply that; a mistake. The guy in the white shirt was the one to thrust Punk's head forward, not the guy in the black. Also, known on the internet as "white shirt guy" and "sunglasses guy". The fact remains that it was again, a simple mistake of him reacting to the wrong person. One was a coward by doing it and not standing directly behind Punk, but hiding behind "sunglasses guy" then acting kiddy with the actions of a fifth grade boy trying to be "cute".
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Dowdsy McDowds
Sally was here
Punk didn't hit the guy that flipped him off or shoved his head though, he caught sunglasses fairly central in the face.
It was hard to see from other angles of footage but this one might just have done sunglasses a favour if it goes beyond a police report as it shows someone else striking Punk.
How does this video put you on Punk's side, out of interest?
mattbel123
Dark Match Jobber
I didn't say Punk hit the guy who flipped him off. You need to reread my comment. Punk was defending himself against a bunch of grabby people.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
It is immaterial who hit Punk, look up the Steven Gerrard case. This is very similar, someone with SG hit the man, who though Gerrard had done so and went for him. SG dropped him on camera as he was "in fear". he was found not guilty as he hadn't seen his friend hit the guy and the camera showed that, so as far as SG (who is the England captain and a very high profile guy) knew the guy was just coming for him.
In Punks case he was pushed clearly and dangerously on the steps, he turned round several times and made clear he was not to be touched by doing so. If it was glasses guy or white shirt guy, it doesn't matter (although I do now see the white shirt argument) at that point Punk was physically attacked. He had just turned to glasses guy moments before when he jostled him.
Anyone (especially a jury) who has ever had someone scare them or hit them from behind will know that you don't have time to think, simply to react if you feel in danger. The hit to the head was clearly enough for Punk to feel so...
But then again, I still think this is all a work, STILL nothing on TMZ or WWE.com, even about an interim suspension although Del Rio ripping up a kids sign HAS made it.
In Punks case he was pushed clearly and dangerously on the steps, he turned round several times and made clear he was not to be touched by doing so. If it was glasses guy or white shirt guy, it doesn't matter (although I do now see the white shirt argument) at that point Punk was physically attacked. He had just turned to glasses guy moments before when he jostled him.
Anyone (especially a jury) who has ever had someone scare them or hit them from behind will know that you don't have time to think, simply to react if you feel in danger. The hit to the head was clearly enough for Punk to feel so...
But then again, I still think this is all a work, STILL nothing on TMZ or WWE.com, even about an interim suspension although Del Rio ripping up a kids sign HAS made it.
johnnyvictory
Dark Match Winner
Did you see Vince's face after he gave him the spinning back fist? Priceless, Vince might be a seasoned vet, but you cant fake that expression. Pure terror. You could tell he was thinking, "please dont let this escalate, please dont turn into a brawl!" Not a work. Punk wont get suspended, slap on the wrist if anything. After all, it made for some great television. Punk wants his own Attitude Era, even if he has to do it alone.
Dowdsy McDowds
Sally was here
I know Punk didn't hit the guy that flipped him off, that's the point.
What I was getting at is that Punk hit someone who didn't hit him. Why does this put you on his side? There were several people grabbing and pushing him for sure, but he strikes an innocent person.
OutsiderDX
Getting Noticed By Management
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAniQ0L2S3U
Let's do this scientifically to see what happened (1-10 scale. 1 is acceptable, 10 is unforgivable)
.19 seconds - Punk was wrong to shove Pink Ziggler's hand away. ( 1 out of 10)
.24/.25 seconds - Punk shoves Lesner shirt kid pretty hard (5 out of 10)
.26 seconds- Lesner shirt kid shoves Punk (10 out of 10)
.32 / .33 seconds - Lesner shirt kid puts his left shoulder into Punk's back. Punk assumes that push was from the Bald Sunglasses guy. But you can see the Lesner shirt kid go to his tippy toes slightly and give Punk a little shoulder block. (3 out of 10)
.37/.38 seconds - The guy in the white shirt, who was behind the Bald Sunglasses guy, pushes / smacks the back of Punk's head, and causes Bald Sunglasses guy's wrist and hand to nudge on Punk's head. (3 out of 10)
.39 seconds - Punk backhands Bald Sunglasses guy across the face. (10 out of 10)
If you break it down. Bald Sunglasses guy did not do anything. Punk assumed it was him when the Lesner kid shoulders him, and when the White T-Shirt guy smacked his head.
But Punk should haver never ever took such an extreme measure. He is a public figure.
I thought the most serious offense was by the Lesner kid shoving punk with two hands when he is standing on stairs. That is extremely dangerous! That was total disrespect and someone who has very little sense in his little brain.
Let's do this scientifically to see what happened (1-10 scale. 1 is acceptable, 10 is unforgivable)
.19 seconds - Punk was wrong to shove Pink Ziggler's hand away. ( 1 out of 10)
.24/.25 seconds - Punk shoves Lesner shirt kid pretty hard (5 out of 10)
.26 seconds- Lesner shirt kid shoves Punk (10 out of 10)
.32 / .33 seconds - Lesner shirt kid puts his left shoulder into Punk's back. Punk assumes that push was from the Bald Sunglasses guy. But you can see the Lesner shirt kid go to his tippy toes slightly and give Punk a little shoulder block. (3 out of 10)
.37/.38 seconds - The guy in the white shirt, who was behind the Bald Sunglasses guy, pushes / smacks the back of Punk's head, and causes Bald Sunglasses guy's wrist and hand to nudge on Punk's head. (3 out of 10)
.39 seconds - Punk backhands Bald Sunglasses guy across the face. (10 out of 10)
If you break it down. Bald Sunglasses guy did not do anything. Punk assumed it was him when the Lesner kid shoulders him, and when the White T-Shirt guy smacked his head.
But Punk should haver never ever took such an extreme measure. He is a public figure.
I thought the most serious offense was by the Lesner kid shoving punk with two hands when he is standing on stairs. That is extremely dangerous! That was total disrespect and someone who has very little sense in his little brain.
boywithbluehanger
I have to poop.
The reason why some of us are on Punk's side is because we're trying (and somewhat failing) to determine the first course of unwarranted stupidity. When the shoving started and Punk was pushed downward on the stairs, that was a stupid, unprovoked, decision by the fan(s).
1. When "black shirt guy" pushed Punk, that was a stupid, unprovoked, decision by him.
2. When the "white shirt guy" pushed the back of Punk's head, that was a stupid, unprovoked decision by him.
3. When Punk pushed and jabbed at the man with the sunglasses, that was a stupid, yet provoked, decision by C.M. Punk. Stupid in the sense that he hit the wrong guy and provoked in the sense that he was not the initiator.
And there were a couple of other shoves by other people that definitely added up to Punk not feeling particularly safe while surrounded by the fans. So what we seem to be getting at is that the while CM Punk did indeed hit the wrong guy, none of this would have happened if certain fans wouldn't have been aggressive dicks.
This is one of those things that can go either way, one one hand, in deed it was wrong for CM Punk to hit that guy, but on the other hand, that guy and the little guy kept pushing him, and sometimes people react first and think later, and in a way, Punk was defending himself from being pushed down the stairs, but i think he might get some heat with the WWE, because unfortunatly, is not the firs time CM Punk has an issue with a fan, like a few months ago when Punk went on a verbal confrontation with another fan, and called him an F word that rymes with magget, so if there is that confrontation, plus the one from last night, i think he might get into some hot watter with the WWE, maybe not enough for him to get fired, but enough for him to get punished.......
philipk2011
World Heavyweight Champion
I kind of think it is as well. Why wouldn't it be all over the news and stuff it it wasn't. Maybe it's just to play into the no respect thing. Maybe he'll come out next week and say something along the lines of this fan tried showing me no respect so look what happened to him. Guess we won't know until we hear more about it but I'm sure if it is real and the fan takes action he'll get a big pay off to drop the charges.
I certainly hope by "black shirt" you aren't talking about the kid in the Lesnar shirt with the wrist tape, because if you think him pushing Punk was unprovoked, you need to rewind about three seconds and see Punk push him hard as hell just for patting him on the shoulder. If you're referring to someone else as "black shirt" then nevermind, this is getting confusing. But Lesnar kid definitely had a reason to push back. He has CM Punk wrist tape on for friggin sake, why would he push a wrestler down the stairs that he likes?
LMAO @ people still saying they suspect a work. There's like 9 levels to this situation now with people bragging about being involved in it on Twitter, meanwhile Punk is dead quiet on Twitter. Having no mention of it on WWE.com is a sign that it WASN'T a planned work, not proof that it is. Have you ever seen a crowd plant in action? It would be cheesy as hell, contrived, and obvious. Not some guy reaching from behind another guy to get an innocent guy punched in the face. Why make a work that elaborate? Holy crap learn something about the business.
I say once again.... how the hell long have some of you been watching wrestling and think you're making any sense? A work would be all over WWE.com right now. A work would have Punk trash talking about it on his Twitter all day.
WWE and Punk staying quiet about it = we f'd up, damage control, keep your mouth shut. Planned work would = all over WWE.com that Punk is the most despicable villian in decades and Cena or Ryback is going to get him at HIAC.
Jesus I'm a big Punk fan but that video in the OP shows him being out of line.
They won't fire him but I guarantee you he loses the title because of this. The only thing working against that is that the WWE are clearly building towards a Punk vs Rock feud at the Rumble, but Vince has a history of teaching wrestlers lessons even when it means leaving money on the table.
All in all if Punk does see his main event status go up in smoke over that he only has himself to blame. The guy he knocks out didn't do enough to warrant that kind of reaction. You go into the crowd they will slap you on the back. The guy he hits twice at the end banged off him twice, he didn't strike him and Punk over-reacted
They won't fire him but I guarantee you he loses the title because of this. The only thing working against that is that the WWE are clearly building towards a Punk vs Rock feud at the Rumble, but Vince has a history of teaching wrestlers lessons even when it means leaving money on the table.
All in all if Punk does see his main event status go up in smoke over that he only has himself to blame. The guy he knocks out didn't do enough to warrant that kind of reaction. You go into the crowd they will slap you on the back. The guy he hits twice at the end banged off him twice, he didn't strike him and Punk over-reacted
The guy said something interesting in the youtube video. He said that if you knew 100% that it was that exact person and that he knew how the fans in Indiana (Detroit really his mistake) when Artest decided to go after people (Artest attacked the wrong guy)...which leads me to believe that somebody else struck CM Punk and he reacted towards him.
I think this situation is kind of overshadowing the fact that the ending to Raw was great last night.
I think this situation is kind of overshadowing the fact that the ending to Raw was great last night.
I'd disagree, most I've talked to think it was one of the best Raws in a long time and we all hope the Punk vs Vince rating comes in big. But this could have consequences for the next few months and for Punk's WWE career and is pretty serious.
WWE have issued a statement. At this time it looks like they are sympathising with Punk and not taken any further action against him.
"WWE security was unfortunately not in the appropriate place at the time. Given CM Punk's persona as a 'bad guy' fans were naturally heckling him, but unfortunately a few fans began shoving him and one struck him in the kidney and on the back."
"WWE regrets that proper security measures were not in place, and CM Punk apologizes for reacting in the heat of the moment."
"WWE security was unfortunately not in the appropriate place at the time. Given CM Punk's persona as a 'bad guy' fans were naturally heckling him, but unfortunately a few fans began shoving him and one struck him in the kidney and on the back."
"WWE regrets that proper security measures were not in place, and CM Punk apologizes for reacting in the heat of the moment."
strangephish
Dark Match Winner
well there is also a guy on twitter claiming he's the one that provoked Punk to react and hit the guy in sunglasses, not sure if there's any truth but he seems pretty confident.
Most you talked to. That's just your circle, but this thing is buzzing on the Internet and the news. Your disagreement is wrong.
Even everyone on WZ(over a 1000) are talking about the incident, not the ending.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
That statement definitely is them taking the blame. That the guy is already putting out videos to me screams that he realizes he has probably got more mileage in being "the guy who Punk hit" rather than "the guy who sued Punk".
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Then he's a fool for coming forward, cos if any criminal or lawsuits occur, then Punk goes right to him and says..."This guy said he did it, he assaulted me and recklessly endangered fellow fans." While the guy hit will likely get the Gucci treatment from WWE, the guy who did hit Punk will get a lawsuit and life ban from shows if he's lucky.
Well that pretty much confirms it's not a work for people who were doubting it. There's no way WWE would stage this and then defend the heel online. Thanks for quoting it.
I can't understand why people are defending Punk. He hit the wrong guy, and he seems to have shoved that one kid unprovoked before that (okay, he tapped his shoulder. Didn't deserve to get shoved for it). And of course the real shit stirrer, White Shirt Douche, gets by without a scratch.
I have no idea what will happen to Punk because of this. He could be slapped on the wrist, he could be suspended, I guess it depends on how much this escalates. It's very frightening that he hit the wrong person - if that wrong person happened to be anything other than an adult male the WWE would be in some deep shit right now.
Evolution1991
Dark Match Jobber
My initial response to watching all of the videos was the fact that things could have ended up getting a lot worse, and quickly. The fact that after this guy gets hit, he does just stand there and take it is probably something that now wwe are probably counting their lucky stars about. Obviously this is a serious incident that could have been avoided and will be treated by them as such but in their view, had the fan freaked out and full on gone for Punk after getting back up there could have been a bit of a riot. Imagine it turned into a full on brawl at the end of a live broadcast? That useless looking security guard who decided to turn up after it had all kicked off would have been hard pressed to break anything up.
This does of course provoke the question, why didn't Punk show some restraint? Honestly I feel he just panicked, stemming from the fact that the real hard line issue is that there was no security. It would have been planned for Punk to exit that way via the crowd and there should have been better preparation in order to protect the safety of both the talent and the audience.
This does of course provoke the question, why didn't Punk show some restraint? Honestly I feel he just panicked, stemming from the fact that the real hard line issue is that there was no security. It would have been planned for Punk to exit that way via the crowd and there should have been better preparation in order to protect the safety of both the talent and the audience.
jasn88cubs
Dark Match Jobber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKQM5aYuKXE
Don't know if this has been uploade don here but it's the best one i have seen. The kid that has his wrists taped like punk should have been the on that gotten punched lol. he tried shoving punk down the stairs. you can also clearly see the guy behind "sunglasses man" poking punk in the head
Don't know if this has been uploade don here but it's the best one i have seen. The kid that has his wrists taped like punk should have been the on that gotten punched lol. he tried shoving punk down the stairs. you can also clearly see the guy behind "sunglasses man" poking punk in the head
I was reading thru some of CM PUNKS Q&A's and I found this and thought I would share 
Read number 3
50. 1) What chant pisses you off more: You Sold Out or You Fucked Up? 2) Seeing as you have an iPod, do you listen to any of the wrestling podcasts out there, or any podcasts in general? 3)Whats the worst thing a crowd can do in a wrestlers eyes, to legit piss them off? 1.) Chants dont piss me off, except the really lame forced deuling chants. 2.) I have no idea what a podcast is. 3.) Well, you could hit the wrestler, THAT would piss em off. I dont suspect youd walk out of the building though
Read number 350. 1) What chant pisses you off more: You Sold Out or You Fucked Up? 2) Seeing as you have an iPod, do you listen to any of the wrestling podcasts out there, or any podcasts in general? 3)Whats the worst thing a crowd can do in a wrestlers eyes, to legit piss them off? 1.) Chants dont piss me off, except the really lame forced deuling chants. 2.) I have no idea what a podcast is. 3.) Well, you could hit the wrestler, THAT would piss em off. I dont suspect youd walk out of the building though
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
Mama meia. If you give the IWC a reason to be outraged, it will indulge while screaming their idiocy in all caps.
Was it a work? Probably not, but who the fuck knows. Claiming certainty in such a matter makes you look like a fucking buffoon.
Did Punk over-react? Yes. He was trying to focus on the spot and a few people we're trying to interrupt the show, not including the guy who got hit. Being professional means enduring despite what's being thrown at you, not much was thrown at him from my perspective.
Who caused this? Not Dario Teyes, fucking stupid internet. He's black and has hair, so obviously not the bald white guy in the grey shirt standing BEHIND the bald guy with the sunglasses. Websites have highlighted the guy who flicked off CM Punk from behind and pushed his head (causing the chaos), Dario Teyes was the guy who stood in front of the camera and acted like a douche AFTER the incident. Please don't bomb his twitter account.
Will Punk be fired? Let me answer that with a question: Are you fucking stupid? Honestly, do you eat paint chips and turn off the ceiling fan with your skull? You need to stop doing that, it's making you REALLY fucking stupid. The ratings were up with a Cena/McMahon return show, Punk vs McMahon was a nice touch. There's media buzz now, people are being fed the shock and awe of a video of a pro-wrestler gone berserk on what people will surely read between the lines was caused by homoerotic roid rage. The ratings will go up next week, especially if they work this into the show.
Will Punk be punished in any way? If they make money (which they will), no (duh).
I'm reading a lot of "It was a work you morons! DVD release, LOL!" and page long diatribes about "I am disgusted by Punk's actions".
Fans can be pretty fucking stupid, half the posts on this thread prove that point, what went down on that night goes even farther to prove it. If you're at a show and the potential to be on tv with your favorite performer happens out of nowhere, you may have a hard time showing decorum and just stand there politely. For that matter, if you have the opportunity to fuck over another fan by making said performer think that they've been provoked by them, I'm confident that most of us wouldn't have the wisdom and integrity to just let the moment go by.
Fan pushes Punk, Punk wails wildly at the wrong fan, suddenly pro-wrestling is interesting again. Imagine that, violence got our attention.
Was it a work? Probably not, but who the fuck knows. Claiming certainty in such a matter makes you look like a fucking buffoon.
Did Punk over-react? Yes. He was trying to focus on the spot and a few people we're trying to interrupt the show, not including the guy who got hit. Being professional means enduring despite what's being thrown at you, not much was thrown at him from my perspective.
Who caused this? Not Dario Teyes, fucking stupid internet. He's black and has hair, so obviously not the bald white guy in the grey shirt standing BEHIND the bald guy with the sunglasses. Websites have highlighted the guy who flicked off CM Punk from behind and pushed his head (causing the chaos), Dario Teyes was the guy who stood in front of the camera and acted like a douche AFTER the incident. Please don't bomb his twitter account.
Will Punk be fired? Let me answer that with a question: Are you fucking stupid? Honestly, do you eat paint chips and turn off the ceiling fan with your skull? You need to stop doing that, it's making you REALLY fucking stupid. The ratings were up with a Cena/McMahon return show, Punk vs McMahon was a nice touch. There's media buzz now, people are being fed the shock and awe of a video of a pro-wrestler gone berserk on what people will surely read between the lines was caused by homoerotic roid rage. The ratings will go up next week, especially if they work this into the show.
Will Punk be punished in any way? If they make money (which they will), no (duh).
I'm reading a lot of "It was a work you morons! DVD release, LOL!" and page long diatribes about "I am disgusted by Punk's actions".
Fans can be pretty fucking stupid, half the posts on this thread prove that point, what went down on that night goes even farther to prove it. If you're at a show and the potential to be on tv with your favorite performer happens out of nowhere, you may have a hard time showing decorum and just stand there politely. For that matter, if you have the opportunity to fuck over another fan by making said performer think that they've been provoked by them, I'm confident that most of us wouldn't have the wisdom and integrity to just let the moment go by.
Fan pushes Punk, Punk wails wildly at the wrong fan, suddenly pro-wrestling is interesting again. Imagine that, violence got our attention.