Champion vs Champion

[the_vipers_enigma]

So the last 3 weeks we saw 3 champion vs champion matches witch were WHC Randy Orton vs IC Cody Rhodes 2x(randy wins one and cody wins one) and WHC Randy Orton vs USA Dolph Ziggler(randy wins).

My questions are:

Do you think we should see champion vs champion matches more often?

and

Do you think they will help to bring back the prestige of the US and IC championship

 

[Dagger Dias]

We should see them more, but only if WWE give the fans a reason to care. When WWF Champion Hulk Hogan faced Intercontinental Champion Ultimate Warrior, it was a HUGE match, and it would have been regardless of it happening at Wrestlemania or not. WWE should always make a big deal over a champion facing another champion. It would be good for both of the champions to face each other in a high profile match, one that has its importance put over by not just the announcers but other wrestlers in promos. The belts don't have to be on the line, but champions facing each other NEEDS to be a big deal. These guys are supposed to be the "best" in the federation, so having them face each other should be a special moment.

The reason that doesn't seem to be the case today is due to WWE not caring about their midcard anymore, if they start out by booking their midcard champions better then those belts will have some prestige restored, leading to it being a bigger deal if midcard champions ever face a world champion in a match. I'd want to see more of it, I enjoy it every time. Even in today's product where the midcard belts don't matter much, it's still a champion facing another champion. That always catches my attention.

 

[Foshinzo]

Champion vs Champion matches are typically, by a rule, bad because one of your champions is jobbing, and that's the opposite point of making someone a champion. I don't think that they're good, because of this reason. In fact, all it does is bury the lesser title. Look at when Orton beat Ziggler: it breaks down to the fact that the IC was weaker than the WHC, and therefore makes it ultimately weaker. The point of making the IC look strong is so the belt holder could potentially be a world champion. We know that the belt is inferior, but the wrestler holding it makes it look strong by his wins. If Dolph had actually beaten Orton, then the IC would have instantly looked strong, again. But, where the IC lost, it just further cements the notion that the belt isn't as good.

 

[Redemption-2012]

John Cena vs Cm Punk don't forget that one, I think they are a great and fresh idea, something new to start a feud off, they havnt been done all that much, I would love to see Cm Punk vs danial Bryan both as champions with Bryan as the heel in a match at a big PPV sometime, would be a great idea.

 

[WT3IS]

WWE does need to make the Champion Vs Championship matches matter again, if they were going to do more of them... But nowadays the titles are just props, and the last time I can think of a Chamoion Vs Champion match even seeming remotely big is JBL vs Rey Mysterio

 

[mikde_]

Deffinatly not. Champion vs Champion matches are fine when rare but like someone already said...the outcome means 1 champion will be losing. It makes one championship look inferior and all though we all know the rank of championships its still not something you want to over do as it will diminish wrestlers and belts rather than add to their prestige.

 

[WorldHeavyweightChampion]

As long as they don't happen too often, and in-between you have spent time properly building the prestige of each title and the champions, and mostly have the matches end without a pin (DQ, draw, time-limit draw, match thrown out, double DQ) then it's a special attraction. You WANT any champion vs. champion match to be a HUGE deal.

From the late-70s - early-90s there were many of these, even inter-promotional matches as World Heavyweight Champions fought each other: NWA vs. WWWF, NWA vs. WWF, UWSA vs. AWA, NWA vs. AWA, NWA vs. UWC, NWA/WCW vs. IWGP, etc... (notice for some reason it was usually involving the NWA)

But as far as intra-promotional nobody did it better than NWA/JCP. They had the World Heavyweight Championship, United States Heavyweight Championship, World Television Championship, and (for a while) National Heavyweight Championship. And in tag-teams the World Tag-Team Championship, United States Tag-Team Championship, and World 6-Man Tag-Team Championship. Yet, at any given time any two singles champions or two sets of tag champions could face each other. It didn't always mean one was pinning the other. But they made them special.

Yes, sometimes one champion did pin the other, and on some occasions one dethroned the other (U.S. Tag Champs Midnight Express and later the Steiners both dethroned World Tag Champs 4-Horsemen and then Freebirds respectively; U.S. Champ Goldberg and later Booker T. both dethroned World Champions Hogan and the Scott Steiner respectively; and #1 contender U.S. Champ Luger beat #2 contender Windham for the vacant World Title).

Of course, in NWA/JCP U.S. singles and tag champs were automatic #1 contenders to the singles and tag World Titles. That's because they booked ALL their titles with IMPORTANCE. It was nothing to see someone bounce between World, U.S., and T.V. Title ranks only to move back up again. They didn't treat U.S. and T.V. titles as "mid-card", but all the title holders were usually main eventers. So moving between titles was no big deal or considered demotions. ANY title could main event a card, a Clash of the Champions, or a PPV.

If WWE would book this way, then yes, I say bring on the Champion vs. Champion matches... even have two tag together at times, too.