Carters annoucement failure opinions

[It's Damn Real!]

With Wolfe being booked the way he is, Joe being overrated as he is (when is the last time he's been a legit contender? No one thought he would beat AJ for the title at the PPV earlier this year) Morgan's momentum being gone, AJ constantly being made into a joke for Flair's praise and Angle being a physical wreck that's held together by glue, I doubt it.

Heyman is not what he's cracked up to be. Period. He did great things with great talent around him. The talent in TNA is there, but there are too many other problems that TNA needs to address first. This screams of another attempt at a quick fix from TNA rather than actually making changes that could work and work for the long run.

That's not the point. None of that is the point. The point is that they have the potential to be tremendous stars in the wrestling industry, and a number already were/are – exactly what Heyman had to work with on numerous occasions.

I don't consider Heyman to be the greatest thing since sliced bread by any means, and I do think the talent he was surrounded by severely influenced his historical successes, but in what instance in wrestling history has the creative talent behind the scenes not been tremendously influenced by the talent in the ring? Better yet, what creative talent has ever made water into wine with scrubs? This knock on Heyman is pointless, man. Honestly.

I'm not entirely sold on Heyman, but I'm not not sold on him either – certainly not because of a knock on him not being good enough without solid top-tier talent, because TNA is chock full of it if you ask me.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Article is a crock of shit, like everything Madden writes, no source, nothing. Might TNA have been trying to get Heyman? Yes. Was Heyman the subject of their big announcement? No. Why would Carter have to get spike TV's approval for something like bringing in Paul Heyman, Spike's deal is exclusive to iMPACT and Xplosion airings, they've got nothing to do with creative direction and bringing in Paul Heyman wouldn't have changed TNA so much as it would've altered certain booking elements. People need to stop taking everything they read as gospel without questioning it.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

RVD was never world champion in the original ECW. You can argue all you want about if he should have been WWE Champion or TNA Champion, but in ECW where he was by far and away their biggest star, give me one reason why he didn't get the world title, but guys like Corino, Lynn and Credible did.

There are a couple of reasons.

One, he was injured in 2000 just before he was to start a program with Mike Awesome in what would have been a Title vs. Title feud that would have ended with RVD finally winning the ECW Championship. But RVD broke his ankle, relinquished the TV title and ECW closed less than a year later.

Two, in Heyman's defense, business-wise, it didn't matter if RVD was ECW Champion or not. RVD fought in just as many main event matches as the World Champ did (Heatwave '99, Anarchy Rulz '99 are two examples). RVD didn't need to be champion for ECW to draw. They could promote not just the World Champ but also RVD. To make it a simple explanation, the company had two main draws as the champ is always a draw and RVD was an attraction all his own.

Having said all that, Van Dam would likely have won the ECW title had he not been injured in early 2000.

 

[sivart81]

So this is my first reply to any post. I read the opinions on here mostly and I really try to shy away from that. I like the Iwc for the part and I read the dirt sheets but I take them with a lot of salt.

But Madden's article and this thread got me to join the discussion.

First thing I would like to say is that if you take what Mark Madden says as the truth then it's not Dixie that is the stupid mark...It's you. I swear that it's not Crave paying him it's Vince. (thats a joke) But holy crap what does he have against TNA. WWE is spitting out a joke of a product in my opinion. Mainly B/c I am not 10. I agree that WWE needs to get a younger audience. Because kids grow and eventually the product will as well i.e the attitude era. But for now it's just not for me. So I keep up with it a bit b/c I think Orton is the best at this time bar none. I don't blame the PG rating at all I just think that it's a bad product right now. I think that TNA could be a lot better but I like the top 10 ranking and Kurt Angle story. I think Anderson is always a good segment. I think that Fortune has some potential and on and on. But he just shits on everything. He will not consider TNA anything unless they start beating WWE in rating which is just not in the cards for a LONG time.

Second...Paul Heyman is great!!! I liked ECW. A lot. I thought that the time when he had majority control over Smackdown at the beginning of the brand split was some really great stuff. But putting him in complete control over any company is a bad idea. Creative control??? You bet! But I wouldn't want Paul E writing any checks. But honestly I don't know that he would even be the same booker that he once was.

Third
I do however believe that TNA does need a head chief. Someone to be THE boss of bosses to work with Dixie. I don't think that Paul would be the guy. I really don't think that it is Hogan and/or Bischoff either. I honestly think that some fresh could step up and do it. Tommy Dreamer maybe. He was Paul right hand man and is a true professional. J.R would be great at it as long as his health could keep up. Otherwise I vote for me....lol.

Fourth
I say that IWC should be more productive in the industry. We are all on pages like this b/c we love this form of performance. Maybe some of us should try and get our way into the business. I have a career (licensed Optician), but I am trying to work at getting into the local Indy company here just to get my feet in the door. B/c I would love to have an actual say in some kind of product. I think more of us should do that too. We obviously have a passion(or obsession) for the industry. So just like my opinion on politics if you have a passionate opinion..don't just vote...run for office. So we have a passionate opinion...we shouldn't just be complaining...we should try and get into the industry. Thats just my opinion. Madden's word is not gospel and I hope that more people want to get involved whether they agree or disagree with Madden or Tna or WWE. That's all. Thanks for reading.

 

[Slyfox696]

Why do we keep thinking TNA is a failure well lets see about that. Mondays=EPIC FAIL,Bringing in Hulk Hogan & Eric Bischoff=Fail mostly,Can't get Ratings to at least a 2.0 or higher=Fail just to name a couple though.

Wow, if I had been your doctor at the time of your birth, I probably would have just thrown you back in.

Who says these things are a failure? The ONLY thing you can say is a failure was their attempt at Monday nights...the rest? Who says they are a failure? You? Are you now the one responsible for measuring success or failure for a wrestling company?

If TNA is a failure, why are they still in business? Why has Spike continued to let them do just about anything they want? Why does TNA now command 3 hours every Thursday night (or is it 4 now)? SpikeTV considers TNA a success, and Panda Energy has kept them around, so who the fuck are you to say whether they are a failure or success?

See, it's illogical thinking like yours that make people in the wrestling business laugh at fans. Who says a 2.0 is the mark of success or failure? Hell, the UFC draws more PPV buys than every WWE PPV, with the exception of Wrestlemania (and they regularly draw equal to Wrestlemania) and do so every month...and yet, their weekly TV show doesn't draw a 2.0, or at least, it didn't (haven't heard in a while). So, if the UFC, who regularly kicks the WWE's ass in just about everything is drawing less than a 2.0, are they not a success either?

Your thinking is just asinine. The fact is that everyone who is responsible for TNA's existence is happy with the company...maybe TNA hasn't reached the lofty goals it set for itself, but to say it's a failure is just silly.


Which is why it's a great thing Heyman didn't go to TNA. Because he would have run the place into the ground, like he did with ECW. Everyone always talks about how great the original ECW was...bullshit. It was terrible. It never drew ratings, it never made money...if you're not making money, how the fuck is that good booking? It's not.

Heyman LIVES to book for the "smart" fans, he's no different than Vince Russo. However, Heyman will book his show and be willing to lose big money in order to make the smart fan happy. Why do you think the WWE never trusted him with ECW Reunion? Because they knew he wouldn't be able to handle it.

Im glad Paul Heyman did not go to TNA and has better things to do then fool with Dixe & Co. Sometimes I wish TNA would be put out of its misery.

What misery? They get solid ratings that have stayed steady for years, they put on a weekly national television program, they take PPVs across half of the country...what the fuck is this misery you're talking about?

 

[klunderbunker]

There are a couple of reasons.

One, he was injured in 2000 just before he was to start a program with Mike Awesome in what would have been a Title vs. Title feud that would have ended with RVD finally winning the ECW Championship. But RVD broke his ankle, relinquished the TV title and ECW closed less than a year later.

Two, in Heyman's defense, business-wise, it didn't matter if RVD was ECW Champion or not. RVD fought in just as many main event matches as the World Champ did (Heatwave '99, Anarchy Rulz '99 are two examples). RVD didn't need to be champion for ECW to draw. They could promote not just the World Champ but also RVD. To make it a simple explanation, the company had two main draws as the champ is always a draw and RVD was an attraction all his own.

Having said all that, Van Dam would likely have won the ECW title had he not been injured in early 2000.

So, when RVD was TV Champion nearly 2 years, it was just coming right? Yeah that's bullshit. There had never been an inkling of RVD getting a world title run. He never got a world title shot on PPV. He was just the TV Champion and that was all. Heyman never got the idea that sometimes you need to be traditional. People like seeing the best guy as world champion. In WCW the TV Title was a minor one so it makes RVD seem like a minor guy.

Taz was getting limited responses. Douglas was a lame duck champion for like 8 months. Justin Credible just sucked. Lynn was a year and a half too late to be seriously pushed. Corino was a guy that talked a lot. NONE of them were better tahn RVD. Not one. RVD was the draw but he was left in the middle of the card forever. It was a bad idea and a badly executed plan. He would have won the title in 2000. You know, almost two years later than he should have. Instead of RVD fighting off everyone he can, we get Taz squashing Candido or Bubba Ray Dudley.

Heyman can't book when there is pressure on him. He never could and he likely never will.

 

[rondiesel2005]

Wow, if I had been your doctor at the time of your birth, I probably would have just thrown you back in.

Who says these things are a failure? The ONLY thing you can say is a failure was their attempt at Monday nights...the rest? Who says they are a failure? You? Are you now the one responsible for measuring success or failure for a wrestling company?

If TNA is a failure, why are they still in business? Why has Spike continued to let them do just about anything they want? Why does TNA now command 3 hours every Thursday night (or is it 4 now)? SpikeTV considers TNA a success, and Panda Energy has kept them around, so who the fuck are you to say whether they are a failure or success?

See, it's illogical thinking like yours that make people in the wrestling business laugh at fans. Who says a 2.0 is the mark of success or failure? Hell, the UFC draws more PPV buys than every WWE PPV, with the exception of Wrestlemania (and they regularly draw equal to Wrestlemania) and do so every month...and yet, their weekly TV show doesn't draw a 2.0, or at least, it didn't (haven't heard in a while). So, if the UFC, who regularly kicks the WWE's ass in just about everything is drawing less than a 2.0, are they not a success either?

Your thinking is just asinine. The fact is that everyone who is responsible for TNA's existence is happy with the company...maybe TNA hasn't reached the lofty goals it set for itself, but to say it's a failure is just silly.


Which is why it's a great thing Heyman didn't go to TNA. Because he would have run the place into the ground, like he did with ECW. Everyone always talks about how great the original ECW was...bullshit. It was terrible. It never drew ratings, it never made money...if you're not making money, how the fuck is that good booking? It's not.



Heyman LIVES to book for the "smart" fans, he's no different than Vince Russo. However, Heyman will book his show and be willing to lose big money in order to make the smart fan happy. Why do you think the WWE never trusted him with ECW Reunion? Because they knew he wouldn't be able to handle it.


What misery? They get solid ratings that have stayed steady for years, they put on a weekly national television program, they take PPVs across half of the country...what the fuck is this misery you're talking about?

lmao i love this part, that's the problem with the fans aren't getting.. i even tried to watch ECW but they couldnt stay on tv, they couldn't even get a tv deal. Did anybody even watch the rise and fall of ECW??? they didnt have money for anything, i mean NOTHIN!!!!!! and ya'll want Haymen, just like Slyfox696 said, thats why WWE didnt give him total control over ECW reunion, afraid the same mistakes going to happen..If anybody hasnt watch rise and fall of ECW, go to youtube and watch it!!!!!

 

[klunderbunker]

That's not the point. None of that is the point. The point is that they have the potential to be tremendous stars in the wrestling industry, and a number already were/are – exactly what Heyman had to work with on numerous occasions.

I don't consider Heyman to be the greatest thing since sliced bread by any means, and I do think the talent he was surrounded by severely influenced his historical successes, but in what instance in wrestling history has the creative talent behind the scenes not been tremendously influenced by the talent in the ring? Better yet, what creative talent has ever made water into wine with scrubs? This knock on Heyman is pointless, man. Honestly.

I'm not entirely sold on Heyman, but I'm not not sold on him either – certainly not because of a knock on him not being good enough without solid top-tier talent, because TNA is chock full of it if you ask me.

Right now in TNA. You have Jeff Hardy, the hottest thing in WWE in the past 2 years or so thrown into a tag team and now as a placeholder in the main event. Anderson is the same. The one guy that Vince himself wanted to push as the next guy and he's in a tag team? If that doesn't work, Abyss, the least talented main event guy in years is likely winning the world title on Sunday so that he can be the main guy for the ECW faction which is about 10 years too late and led by career jobbers. Oh and don't forget AJ. He's so busy sucking up to Flair and pretending to be him that his natural talent is being wasted and for what? For what? Why in the name of all things good and holy is AJ Styles being wasted in a tribute to Ric Flair? And then there's Desmond Wolfe. The guy is AWESOME. He and Angle tore the house down and the fans apparently love him. And he's lost to Abyss....how many times now?

If that doesn't work there's WCW anytime after January 1st, 1999. Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio and a ton of others stay in the undercard for years while guys like Nash and Hogan go out there and do jack while burying the ratings to levels never before heard of.

In both of these situations, the in ring talent didn't mean a damn thing. It was ALL about the power backstage and who the bookers liked. Look at TNA today. Wolfe DOMINATES the first fans' poll and jobs to Abyss what, five times in a row? He gets a token world title match that lasts maybe 4 minutes? Hogan, as in creative, keeps running Abyss out there though. Same thing in WCW: the fans cheer Benoit and Jericho and we get Nash and Hogan who continue crippling the buyrates.

But I digress.

Heyman does not belong in TNA. He's not worth it. We're just going to give him total control? The BEST he ever did was what TNA is doing right now. TNA needs to stop looking to the past for ideas that used to work and look towards what they have. They have everything they need on the roster to make a legitimate alternative to WWE. They just don't do it though because they keep having to CHANGE WRESTLING FOREVER. Hogan is just supposed to step aside and let Heyman take over? Yeah, I'm sure that's going to just go swimmingly.

 

[MCMGfoLife]

When I saw the title of this, it took me a while to figure out what article the OP was referring to. Then, I figured the only thing it could be was an OPINION article, NOT news story, written by super D-bag Mark Madden...then I just stopped reading after the first paragraph.

That man can seemingly only write BS about TNA...he doesn't write on ANY other subjects. Not the indies, and not WWE in any form. Just "TNA did this dumb thing" and "TNA sucks because of this." This guy has as much first hand info from the Biz as my 10 year old nephew...probably less to be honest. I'll give Mark Madden's "scoop" some thought if there is still no word on this big surprise after Victory Road next week. Until then, Mark Madden can go fuck himself and try to come up with some other sort of way to make a living. No one likes you fucker!!

p.s. The big surprise was supposed to be something bigger than one person, according to reports on WZ and PWI and one rumor going around was that PPVs would become 3hr specials each month...aka free PPVs.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Totally agree! But my question is why does Mark Madden even care, if he doesn't like what he's watching or what's going with the company don't watch or follow the things that are happening in the company,It's that simple. The guy just can't write a column that's not about ''TNA''and for him to call Dixie a moron is just childish.My mother always said if don't have anything good to say about a person then don't say anything at all.Mark Madden if you don't like ''TNA''DON'T FOLLOW IT !

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Your mother was right. But obviously Mark Madden doesn't live by that philosophy. I know personally.

In the past, I have sometimes written to column writers to discuss their article. With most, when I disagree with them politely, they say that they can see my viewpoint to an extent, but still think the same way as before, and tell me why. I'm cool with that, because we can agree to disagree. But I once wrote to Mark Madden, and amongst other things, I questioned why he even writes about TNA when he hates it so much. Here was his response to my lengthy letter:-

"F.... you, and go f.... yourself!".

That was his response. No argument to why he thought I was wrong. No trying to convince me of his viewpoint. But the six words up above (with the two with "f" as a full word (I just did it like that to not be modded). That just shows where Mark Madden really sits when it comes to an argument.

 

[MrHashasheen]

Sounds like Dixie dodged a bullet here. If they were going to announce Paul Heyman as the surprise, they might as well have closed their doors. I read Madden's article, and I just laughed. Since when was Heyman good at cutting costs, at running a successful business? The only two times he was ever asked to be in charge, both times he failed (both new and old ECW).

... Are you forgetting Smackdown? The guy's got no head for business true, but the man knows how to book better than anyone TNA has with them right now. He's both able to book and mold rookies and deal with veterans if his time on Smackdown says anything, ignoring his tenure in ECW where he gave the business like 15 of its future stars. As for him not crowning RVD, the man got injured too much in 2000 for any plans he may have had. As I recall he had a champion versus champion thing planned for him before he broke his ankle in a house show.

You have got to agree with SlyFox with this one, Heyman is no where near the genius he is said to be. Look at his history, every show or company he has run has shut down due to money.

OVW and Smackdown shut down? ECW didn't shut down during his tenure. The fact that he's relying on Mark Madden, someone with incredible bias and frankily pretty shitty makes it even less credible.

 

[The Viper Orton]

LOL, When Hulk Hogan came, problems began to arise and you say other problems. HOGAN BROUGHT THOSE PROBLEMS!!
1) TNA had the same rating as they are having now, just that hogan used alot of money which caused TNA to cut cost or loose money (paul heyman lot money, so did Hogan).

2) Hogan chose Abyss as to make him the ultimate face (at least hyeman has a vision, look at lesnar).

3) Alot of wrestlers are lost as there is nothing stable in TNA and it caused some wrestlers to downgrade, Desmon wolfe, AJ styles, Daniels gone, even abyss was abit of a monster till hogan ruined him (he was with james mitchel). Pau heyman run legit organized feuds till it runs its course or have an end.

4) For Hogan, faces always wins. 4 out of every 5 matches of anderson, rvd and hardy matches, they win it, if not a better ratio. How would we have a good storyline when the face always beats the problem (and yes Im sure about it. At least heyman got common sense! )

So you tell me TNA are better without heyman? Maybe. But for sure they would have been better without hogan. or also Paul Heyman has more brain cells than Hulk Hogan.
Anderson friends with hardy, AJ and Wolfe jobbing COMEON!!

 

[snoopy]

I'm sure Heyman planned on making RVD the World Champion in ECW at some point. Had he not gotten injured toward the end of ECW, he probably would've won the title.

But that's why Paul Heyman's a genius, He knew people wanted RVD to be champion but heyman didn't give to them. Because RVD didn't need it, he was over as T.V.champion to a point were the fans were wanting to see the T.V.champion more than the world champion. That made it a better show,And had the fans salivating for RVD to win the title. He never had a chance to get the title in ECW so the fans wanted to see win the title in other promotions! NOW THAT'S GENIUS!

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Right now in TNA. You have Jeff Hardy, the hottest thing in WWE in the past 2 years or so thrown into a tag team and now as a placeholder in the main event. Anderson is the same. The one guy that Vince himself wanted to push as the next guy and he's in a tag team? If that doesn't work, Abyss, the least talented main event guy in years is likely winning the world title on Sunday so that he can be the main guy for the ECW faction which is about 10 years too late and led by career jobbers. Oh and don't forget AJ. He's so busy sucking up to Flair and pretending to be him that his natural talent is being wasted and for what? For what? Why in the name of all things good and holy is AJ Styles being wasted in a tribute to Ric Flair? And then there's Desmond Wolfe. The guy is AWESOME. He and Angle tore the house down and the fans apparently love him. And he's lost to Abyss....how many times now?

Because Hardy is dealing with major legal issues that could prove ill-thought for TNA were they to pin him the TNA WHC and end up losing him to a prison term, KB – you know this as well as I do.

Wins/losses also mean jack, so long as the character remains relevant and intriguing, it doesn't matter if they go 180-0, 90-90 or 0-180.

I'm not saying everything in TNA is perfect, or that the stories are the best possible combinations they can be, but the talent is still there. Until guys like Anderson, Hardy, Angle, AJ, etc. start asking for their walking papers, you'll have a really difficult time convincing me otherwise.

If that doesn't work there's WCW anytime after January 1st, 1999. Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio and a ton of others stay in the undercard for years while guys like Nash and Hogan go out there and do jack while burying the ratings to levels never before heard of.

In both of these situations, the in ring talent didn't mean a damn thing. It was ALL about the power backstage and who the bookers liked. Look at TNA today. Wolfe DOMINATES the first fans' poll and jobs to Abyss what, five times in a row? He gets a token world title match that lasts maybe 4 minutes? Hogan, as in creative, keeps running Abyss out there though. Same thing in WCW: the fans cheer Benoit and Jericho and we get Nash and Hogan who continue crippling the buyrates.

Neither Nash nor Hogan has been a part of a WHC title scene for years now, so what's the point in drawing a correlation to an aspect that killed WCW here?

Heyman does not belong in TNA. He's not worth it. We're just going to give him total control? The BEST he ever did was what TNA is doing right now. TNA needs to stop looking to the past for ideas that used to work and look towards what they have. They have everything they need on the roster to make a legitimate alternative to WWE. They just don't do it though because they keep having to CHANGE WRESTLING FOREVER. Hogan is just supposed to step aside and let Heyman take over? Yeah, I'm sure that's going to just go swimmingly.

And that may very well be, but what's more obvious than the unknown idea that Heyman doesn't belong in TNA is that Russo & co. most certainly do not, and that's made most relevant by the lack of product growth over the last three years. None – Russo included – are horrible options, but there is potential in Heyman, just as there would be in Sullivan or any number of other creative minds getting control over the direction of the company, because all of it would be new.

 

[Reddannihilation]

LOL, When Hulk Hogan came, problems began to arise and you say other problems. HOGAN BROUGHT THOSE PROBLEMS!!
1) TNA had the same rating as they are having now, just that hogan used alot of money which caused TNA to cut cost or loose money (paul heyman lot money, so did Hogan).

0 confirmation on TNA cutting costs, in fact the debut of Dreamer and the reappearance of several pay-per appearnce guys like Richards, Raven and Rhyno would imply the exact opposite.

2) Hogan chose Abyss as to make him the ultimate face (at least hyeman has a vision, look at lesnar).

Abyss was always intended to turn heel, Hogan said it himself months ago also giving Paul Heyman credit for Lesnar is ******ed. Lesnar and Heyman are friends but it was Jim Ross and Jim Cornette who discovered Brock Lesnar, Heyman and Lesnar didn't even become friends until a few months into their program on Smackdown in 02.

3) Alot of wrestlers are lost as there is nothing stable in TNA and it caused some wrestlers to downgrade, Desmon wolfe, AJ styles, Daniels gone, even abyss was abit of a monster till hogan ruined him (he was with james mitchel). Pau heyman run legit organized feuds till it runs its course or have an end.

Great facts from someone who obviously never watches TNA. James Mitchell hasn't been in TNA since 2007 and Abyss has been face for years, he's recently returned to the monster character so try again.

4) For Hogan, faces always wins. 4 out of every 5 matches of anderson, rvd and hardy matches, they win it, if not a better ratio. How would we have a good storyline when the face always beats the problem (and yes Im sure about it. At least heyman got common sense! )

Faces always win when Hogan's around? Yeah I loved when Pope won the world title...oh wait. What about that face x-division champion Douglas Williams? Nup he's a heel an he always wins. And on the subject of the Main Event, RVD wins in his title defenses but the heels tend to get the upper hand during the actual feud. Sting's been a heel for months and he absolutely destroyed Jeff Jarrett. Yes Wolfe has been jobbed out but it's not as though he can't recover. And after last weeks iMPACT don't be surprised to see Anderson revert to his heel ways at the PPV after both Pope called him out and his blank stare after belting Jeff Hary with a steel chair "inadvertently".

So you tell me TNA are better without heyman? Maybe. But for sure they would have been better without hogan. or also Paul Heyman has more brain cells than Hulk Hogan.
Anderson friends with hardy, AJ and Wolfe jobbing COMEON!!

So are you talking about Paul Heyman or are you just ranting about Hogan and trying to hide it? TNA's production values have risen greatly since Hogan came in, the companies star power is huge as well. Also give me an argument as to why Desmond Wolfe should be anything other than a mid-carder at this current time? Is Desmond Wolfe a household name? Does he bring in fans? Sure he's a good wrestler and I'd like to see him main event in the future, but I have no issue with him being a mid-card heel. As for AJ he's nearing a face turn with his feud with Kazarian and his losses are necessary for that storyline. Already covered Anderson but in case you missed it; Anderson befriending Hardy...in the words of Admiral Ackbar "IT'S A TRAP", it's designed solely so Anderson can claim to have pulled one over of Jeff Hardy.

 

[shattered dreams]

The OP fails on a lot of levels for someone condemning Carter before they have even made the announcement. Seems kind of hard to fail before it even happens IMO. But wait the OP found some evidence! WZ put up an opinion editorial piece and everyone knows how reliable the dirt sheets are to begin with, but the opinion pieces, now those are really reliable sources. Well, maybe this is a really great informative piece with airtight arguments or something. So I go to read it and see Madden wrote it. Hmmm. Losing hope but let's give it a shot. Made it to the second page but starting to get confused how he knows all about Heyman's thought process when he admits he has never had much if any relationship with him and that was years ago. Oh I see, this is that Mark picking up on a questionable rumor (at least OP correctly noted the obvious, heyman by himself is not enough to fulfill what dixie was tweeting about; something madden never realized) and then giving his opinion of what transpired. Shockingly he basically just weaves in his usual dislikes of TNA. The most amusing part is this backfires and he loses all credibility when he says

At the very least, Heyman would make TNA more economically viable.

Now I like Heyman. I have thought for some time he was a little overrated by the IWC. There is this Heyman is infallible idea floating around which is nonsense. I do think some people putting him down in this thread are taking it too far. Sure he had some good talent working for him but how did they get there in the first place? This is at a time when both WWF and WCW are both looking for talent wherever they can find it. Yet, Heyman is the one bringing these guys up. I hardly think the short time Austin spent in ECW is a reason to say Austin built up ECW more than Heyman. Quite honestly such a suggestion makes no sense. For each of these "stars" there were others that basically flopped when they went elsewhere. Heyman is good at the creative side, to deny that is folly, however, you would have to be drunk to give him sole control over the other stuff. I do not care how many recognizable names he fires, Heyman and the money side of the business have been oil and water for some time. To me it should be, at the very least Heyman would create some excitement and probably take some young talent to a new level, but if he has the business savvy to keep them from leaving and/or translate those successes into money for the company is debatable.


On a sidenote can someone attempt to explain to me for the 5435349623412th time why in the TNA section no matter what the topic is many people basically post some weird version of "what is wrong with tna" that often does not even tie into the discussion? Even worse these people think their list of a couple of things is some great insight even though they all have the same 4ish things on it every time and the majority of them are opinions at best.

 

[klunderbunker]

Wins/losses also mean jack, so long as the character remains relevant and intriguing, it doesn't matter if they go 180-0, 90-90 or 0-180.

Wolfe has meant jack in TNA since Hogan got there and you know it. When you're new in a company win/loss record does mean a lot. Wolfe hasn't won since what, May and now his value is through the floor. Yeah win/loss means nothing though.

I'm not saying everything in TNA is perfect, or that the stories are the best possible combinations they can be, but the talent is still there. Until guys like Anderson, Hardy, Angle, AJ, etc. start asking for their walking papers, you'll have a really difficult time convincing me otherwise.

Sure the talent is there. Shame it's not being used properly in the slightest for the sake of guys like Abyss.

Neither Nash nor Hogan has been a part of a WHC title scene for years now, so what's the point in drawing a correlation to an aspect that killed WCW here?

The fuck are you talking about? You told me to tell you a time when the talent in the ring meant nothing as far as creative went. Hence why I said after the beginning of 1999 in WCW. The in ring talent then meant nothing at all.

And that may very well be, but what's more obvious than the unknown idea that Heyman doesn't belong in TNA is that Russo & co. most certainly do not, and that's made most relevant by the lack of product growth over the last three years. None – Russo included – are horrible options, but there is potential in Heyman, just as there would be in Sullivan or any number of other creative minds getting control over the direction of the company, because all of it would be new.

Russo is indeed horrible. Sullivan may somehow be worse though. TNA needs to pick something and actually stick with it. They more or less reset the whole place back in January. Why reset it again?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Wolfe has meant jack in TNA since Hogan got there and you know it. When you're new in a company win/loss record does mean a lot. Wolfe hasn't won since what, May and now his value is through the floor. Yeah win/loss means nothing though.

And he's 32 years old, man – he's got a ton of time ahead of him to turn things around, or have them turned around for him. What, all of a sudden a company never held "young" talent back when there wasn't a relevant – operative word here – spot for them in the main event at the time?

Value is relative. All it takes is a single win over a particular person to change the direction of everything. This is the typical melodrama I'm trying to combat here. A guy someone likes doesn't get pushed as far as they like, so it's armafuckinggeddon all of a sudden?

Sure the talent is there. Shame it's not being used properly in the slightest for the sake of guys like Abyss.

I agree.

The fuck are you talking about? You told me to tell you a time when the talent in the ring meant nothing as far as creative went. Hence why I said after the beginning of 1999 in WCW. The in ring talent then meant nothing at all.

No, I told you to tell me a time when the talent in the ring didn't influence how well creative was capable of booking at the time. Talent goes well beyond natural talent – drawing power has a lot to do with it, and while guys like Malenko and Jericho were fantastic to watch in the WCW, especially during their feud, they couldn't draw the way Hogan or Nash could – no chance in hell.

Either way, though, my point still stands – you taking away from Heyman for only being able to book when he has top-end talent is just as short-sighted as saying an airplane can't fly without wings. Yes, we know that, man. No wrestling company can compete without top-end talent, regardless of who's booking.

If you took the best booker in the world – whoever that may be – and gave them Shark Boy, Teddy Hart, Norman Smiley and Greg Valentine to work with, how exactly is "booking" supposed to fix what can't be fixed?

Russo is indeed horrible. Sullivan may somehow be worse though. TNA needs to pick something and actually stick with it. They more or less reset the whole place back in January. Why reset it again?

Hey, I'm with ya, man. Like I said – I'm not sold on either of them, but what I know I'm not sold on is the idea that Russo can really book beyond a few months where the product stays fun and fresh. Eventually he'll get an inkling to put something on a pole, or to throw a monkey wrench into a working machine just to see it break.

 

[klunderbunker]

And he's 32 years old, man – he's got a ton of time ahead of him to turn things around, or have them turned around for him. What, all of a sudden a company never held "young" talent back when there wasn't a relevant – operative word here – spot for them in the main event at the time?

Value is relative. All it takes is a single win over a particular person to change the direction of everything. This is the typical melodrama I'm trying to combat here. A guy someone likes doesn't get pushed as far as they like, so it's armafuckinggeddon all of a sudden?

And I'm trying to convince people that this has all happened before. WCW: Hogan has power like he does not. The young guys are pushed down in favor of old guys and guys that Hogan likes. In wrestling there is one absolute master: the fans. The fans like Wolfe. Wolfe has been pushed down for six months now for the sake of a guy Hogan wants to push and the reaction has sucked. THAT is what worries me.

Let's say Heyman takes over. Do you honestly think that Hogan is just going to step aside and let Heyman have full power without some kind of huge issue? Paying no attention to the total reset of the company from a creative standpoint, how good for the locker room would it be to have Hogan vs. Heyman vs. Carter behind the scenes? Carter is going to agree with whoever the last person to whisper in her ear is. The ratings don't go up immediately and Hogan says "You know the ratings were better when I was making the show." See how this could be a problem?

No, I told you to tell me a time when the talent in the ring didn't influence how well creative was capable of booking at the time

Actually you didn't. You never said capable or anything like it. You said when creative was not influenced by the talent in the ring. WCW 99-end and TNA now. It's not about the talent in the ring. It's about who creative wants to push regardless of the reaction or of the talent itself.

Talent goes well beyond natural talent – drawing power has a lot to do with it, and while guys like Malenko and Jericho were fantastic to watch in the WCW, especially during their feud, they couldn't draw the way Hogan or Nash could – no chance in hell.

Prove it. And no I'm not asking for data or whatever. My point is that this was the argument Hogan and Nash etc used for YEARS in WCW. They had been the draws before and no one else could be. The thing is the young guys never had the chance to draw. Jericho or Malenko never were pushed as top guys. Benoit got the title as a last ditch effort to keep him there. All we know for sure is what was on top when the ratings and company plummeted. In short, answer this: how much have the ratings on average gone up with Hogan and company on the roster? On average, I think they've gone down. With AJ and Angle and Wolfe, not only were they higher, but the salaries were lower. The young guys got better numbers for less money. At one point, Hogan was the brand new and unproven guy. So were Austin and Rock. How do you know what could work until you give it an actual chancee?

If you took the best booker in the world – whoever that may be – and gave them Shark Boy, Teddy Hart, Norman Smiley and Greg Valentine to work with, how exactly is "booking" supposed to fix what can't be fixed?

That's not the point. Heyman was supposedly great at making something out of nothing right? TNA has something. Why do they need some revolutionary booker to get things working? Instead of going all new and edgy, why not try regular, traditional booking? It was working in the fall and then they just threw it out the window for Hogan. Now they're throwing Hogan out for Heyman (or trying to). What happens if/when Heyman fails?

That's my main issue with Heyman: TNA needs to pick something and stick with it. The stuff in the fall didn't work immediately so they changed it. Same thing again with Hogan. If Heyman doesn't work they'll change again. If they actually stuck with something, maybe the people could get into it. Instead of just throwing stuff out there in hopes of a quick fix, how about they just do their thing and get people to watch through hard work and quality writing? You know, like the stuff they allegedly are supposed to be about?

 

[shattered dreams]

The fans like Wolfe. Wolfe has been pushed down for six months now for the sake of a guy Hogan wants to push and the reaction has sucked. THAT is what worries me.

People really need to get over that Wolfe poll. All that poll did was show that avid IWC types wanted Wolfe to get a push. That is not surprising. The total amount of votes cast still was significantly less than the amount of people who watch any given impact and obviously it was quite easy to cast more than one, hell more than twenty votes. Once they finally got around to making that more difficult Wolfe was not as successful, although to be fair many of his voters probably gave up. Now I think Wolfe could be awesome. However, there are often reasons to be careful about who you push that go beyond talent. TNA has a big problem with the possibility of losing people to WWE after they build them up. That hit can be tremendous. I know WWE passed on Wolfe once but if TNA makes him the face of their product and he leaves that hurts. WWE would know this. I doubt Wolfe signed too long of a deal and this would hardly be the first time any company had an up and coming talent pay their dues and work out a longer contract before giving them a big push.

Actually you didn't. You never said capable or anything like it. You said when creative was not influenced by the talent in the ring. WCW 99-end and TNA now. It's not about the talent in the ring. It's about who creative wants to push regardless of the reaction or of the talent itself.

I am just curious, who is it you think are getting pushes in TNA presently? Not a few months ago. I am talking about right now. Is there anyone besides Wolfe who is not receiving a push that should be? And who exactly is the old, dead weight that is holding them down? I just do not see TNA showcasing old talent at the expense of the young at the moment.

That's my main issue with Heyman: TNA needs to pick something and stick with it. The stuff in the fall didn't work immediately so they changed it. Same thing again with Hogan. If Heyman doesn't work they'll change again. If they actually stuck with something, maybe the people could get into it. Instead of just throwing stuff out there in hopes of a quick fix, how about they just do their thing and get people to watch through hard work and quality writing? You know, like the stuff they allegedly are supposed to be about?

I am sick of people criticizing out of both sides of their mouth on consistency vs change. People claim TNA needs to commit to their storylines. Yet when they do commit to their storylines people say they do not like the story and they should change it (abyss, AJ, orlando etc.) or explain it immediately. So if you are going to claim they should change some of their longer running stories then quit pretending what you want is for them to stick with them. That clearly is not what you want.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

And I'm trying to convince people that this has all happened before. WCW: Hogan has power like he does not. The young guys are pushed down in favor of old guys and guys that Hogan likes. In wrestling there is one absolute master: the fans. The fans like Wolfe. Wolfe has been pushed down for six months now for the sake of a guy Hogan wants to push and the reaction has sucked. THAT is what worries me.

Let's say Heyman takes over. Do you honestly think that Hogan is just going to step aside and let Heyman have full power without some kind of huge issue? Paying no attention to the total reset of the company from a creative standpoint, how good for the locker room would it be to have Hogan vs. Heyman vs. Carter behind the scenes? Carter is going to agree with whoever the last person to whisper in her ear is. The ratings don't go up immediately and Hogan says "You know the ratings were better when I was making the show." See how this could be a problem?

I understand that, but I don't really see things in TNA as dire as they were in the WCW when guys like Jericho & Malenko couldn't garner higher spots because of Nash & Hogan's crews wreaking havok up top. There are already a number of younger contenders in the title picture right now who've earned their way there, and I'm pretty sure that negates any of this doom & gloom comparison to post-1999 WCW.

Actually you didn't. You never said capable or anything like it. You said when creative was not influenced by the talent in the ring. WCW 99-end and TNA now. It's not about the talent in the ring. It's about who creative wants to push regardless of the reaction or of the talent itself.

But that doesn't change the fact that who is booking at any given time is in fact influenced by the talent they have to book with. Heyman may have been "gifted" with various soon-to-have-been stars at the time, but so too is/are anyone booking TNA right now from the talk of the talent with Wolfe, AJ, Joe, etc. That's all I'm saying. It's silly to discredit Heyman on that point alone, because all bookers have top-end talent to help get them over.

Prove it. And no I'm not asking for data or whatever. My point is that this was the argument Hogan and Nash etc used for YEARS in WCW. They had been the draws before and no one else could be. The thing is the young guys never had the chance to draw. Jericho or Malenko never were pushed as top guys. Benoit got the title as a last ditch effort to keep him there. All we know for sure is what was on top when the ratings and company plummeted. In short, answer this: how much have the ratings on average gone up with Hogan and company on the roster? On average, I think they've gone down. With AJ and Angle and Wolfe, not only were they higher, but the salaries were lower. The young guys got better numbers for less money. At one point, Hogan was the brand new and unproven guy. So were Austin and Rock. How do you know what could work until you give it an actual chancee?

And they were right - partially. The problem was they over exposed themselves in the process. That main event scene needs a refresher from time-to-time, and with Hogan & Nash having total control over it, it never got it. The problem I'm combatting is that none of the "old guys" even deserve to be there to begin with. I see this done with sports teams all the time who hire veterans to help guide their rookies while fans scream about wanting nothing but an entire team of rookies who'd undoubtedly fail without that leadership to begin with. I know it sucks having to have your hand held, but sometimes it's just plain necessary.

That's not the point. Heyman was supposedly great at making something out of nothing right? TNA has something. Why do they need some revolutionary booker to get things working? Instead of going all new and edgy, why not try regular, traditional booking? It was working in the fall and then they just threw it out the window for Hogan. Now they're throwing Hogan out for Heyman (or trying to). What happens if/when Heyman fails?

I dunno about that... I'd say Heyman was supposed to be great at taking potential and bringing it to fruition more than he was taking nothing and making something, but that might just be a semantic argument.

Problem with traditional booking is that it doesn't say "alternative" at all. It says "additional", if anything. TNA has to do some things different, otherwise they would really be that WWE lite that everyone likes to call them.

That's my main issue with Heyman: TNA needs to pick something and stick with it. The stuff in the fall didn't work immediately so they changed it. Same thing again with Hogan. If Heyman doesn't work they'll change again. If they actually stuck with something, maybe the people could get into it. Instead of just throwing stuff out there in hopes of a quick fix, how about they just do their thing and get people to watch through hard work and quality writing? You know, like the stuff they allegedly are supposed to be about?

I agree.

 

[klunderbunker]

People really need to get over that Wolfe poll. All that poll did was show that avid IWC types wanted Wolfe to get a push.

So the fans wanted to see Wolfe get pushed. Go on.

That is not surprising

Yeah a guy with a good look, name and talent getting pushed shouldn't be surprising.

The total amount of votes cast still was significantly less than the amount of people who watch any given impact and obviously it was quite easy to cast more than one, hell more than twenty votes.

So when Hogan and Bischoff said the fans would decide and the majority of the fans voted for Wolfe, they weren't the right fans or there weren't enough of them?

Once they finally got around to making that more difficult Wolfe was not as successful, although to be fair many of his voters probably gave up

Yeah I know. I would too after the guy with no votes is beating the guy with the most week after week.

Now I think Wolfe could be awesome

He couldn't be awesome. He is awesome.

However, there are often reasons to be careful about who you push that go beyond talent

And what reasons beyond talent, look, ability and popularity are there? Did he fail the swimsuit round?

TNA has a big problem with the possibility of losing people to WWE after they build them up. That hit can be tremendous. I know WWE passed on Wolfe once but if TNA makes him the face of their product and he leaves that hurts. WWE would know this

So they shouldn't push anyone and should just close their doors right now since anyone they push could jump.

I doubt Wolfe signed too long of a deal and this would hardly be the first time any company had an up and coming talent pay their dues and work out a longer contract before giving them a big push.

In other words, TNA should pay him and then just not do anything with him out of fear he'll jump? So they're paying him just to not work for Vince?

I am just curious, who is it you think are getting pushes in TNA presently?

Well there's Abyss, Sting, Jarrett, RVD, Lethal, Hardy to an extent, Flair, AJ, the ECW guys and Kaz, those being the people that are getting significant TV time and actually doing something on the show.

Is there anyone besides Wolfe who is not receiving a push that should be?

That should be? Well let's see there's Lethal, Styles.....uh I'm sure there's someone else that isn't old and actually could help them in the long run. Give me a minute here.

And who exactly is the old, dead weight that is holding them down?

Let's see. Hogan, Jarrett and Sting all get a lot of TV time and yet they haven't done a thing for the ratings yet they're making large amounts of money to do nothing other than stand around and talk.

People claim TNA needs to commit to their storylines

It would be nice to try once no?

Yet when they do commit to their storylines people say they do not like the story and they should change it (abyss, AJ, orlando etc.) or explain it immediately

Yeah who are we to want stories we actually care about or to want something explained in 4 months?

So if you are going to claim they should change some of their longer running stories then quit pretending what you want is for them to stick with them. That clearly is not what you want.

Yeah fuck me. All I want are coherent stories with guys that weren't stars when I was 8 years old. Curse me.

 

[klunderbunker]

I understand that, but I don't really see things in TNA as dire as they were in the WCW when guys like Jericho & Malenko couldn't garner higher spots because of Nash & Hogan's crews wreaking havok up top. There are already a number of younger contenders in the title picture right now who've earned their way there, and I'm pretty sure that negates any of this doom & gloom comparison to post-1999 WCW.

You're right it isn't nearly as bad as WCW. The thing is though that a lot of similarities are there. As time goes by, more of what made TNA special is going away and more of the similarities are popping up along. The young guys are being pushed to a degree, but at what point do the old guys step aside and let the young ones stand on equal footing? Because I'm not seeing it anytime soon.

But that doesn't change the fact that who is booking at any given time is in fact influenced by the talent they have to book with. Heyman may have been "gifted" with various soon-to-have-been stars at the time, but so too is/are anyone booking TNA right now from the talk of the talent with Wolfe, AJ, Joe, etc. That's all I'm saying. It's silly to discredit Heyman on that point alone, because all bookers have top-end talent to help get them over.

Yeah but without top end talent things have gone downhill in a hurry for him. He didn't do well at all when he had full creative control. Heyman isn't the answer here but he's a name that was around in the 90s so Carter thinks he's something great.

And they were right - partially. The problem was they over exposed themselves in the process. That main event scene needs a refresher from time-to-time, and with Hogan & Nash having total control over it, it never got it. The problem I'm combatting is that none of the "old guys" even deserve to be there to begin with. I see this done with sports teams all the time who hire veterans to help guide their rookies while fans scream about wanting nothing but an entire team of rookies who'd undoubtedly fail without that leadership to begin with. I know it sucks having to have your hand held, but sometimes it's just plain necessary.

And how long is this hand holding going to continue? Sting and Jarrett have been holding the hands of the young guys since TNA opened. Angle, who is indeed one of the best in the world still, is one of the older guys and is mowing through the young talent. At what point do the young guys get to be their equals?

Problem with traditional booking is that it doesn't say "alternative" at all. It says "additional", if anything. TNA has to do some things different, otherwise they would really be that WWE lite that everyone likes to call them.

At the moment WWE is all about drama. You have Nexus and the Kane angle and such. There is far less of an emphasis on wrestling and that has been the case for a good while now. Last year it was HHH vs. Orton in an over the top feud. TNA is all about drama now and less about wrestling. IN the fall it was about wrestling, but that lasted like 2 months. The alternative would be athleticism and basic booking rather than the big stories WWE is doing.

 

[shattered dreams]

So the fans wanted to see Wolfe get pushed. Go on.

Do you really think the IWC makes up a majority of wrestling fans? Do you really think an internet poll with that many faults is the best way to measure all of the fans? Or something they should book there entire product based upon opposed to many other much more reliable measures?

So when Hogan and Bischoff said the fans would decide and the majority of the fans voted for Wolfe, they weren't the right fans or there weren't enough of them?

I would sure like to see where they said the fans would decide everything because they never did. I would like to see where on that poll it said vote for who we are contractually bound to get immediately pushed into the world title scene for the next few months because it sure as hell did not.

Yeah I know. I would too after the guy with no votes is beating the guy with the most week after week.

They still have polls. Hardy wins most of them. I do not even think wolfe comes in second anymore but he might.

So they shouldn't push anyone and should just close their doors right now since anyone they push could jump.

There clearly are some wrestlers that are much less likely to jump compared to others. I bet Wolfe's contract is up in 3 months and both wwe and nigel have expressed interest in each other not too long ago. While RVD does not want to be in WWE, Styles is sticking around, Joe has a deal to keep him there, Abyss is not leaving etc.

Well there's Abyss, Sting, Jarrett, RVD, Lethal, Hardy to an extent, Flair, AJ, the ECW guys and Kaz, those being the people that are getting significant TV time and actually doing something on the show.

Jarrett is getting pushed? How by getting constantly destroyed? The ecw guys are getting pushed by sitting in the audience? Flair is putting people over right and left.

That should be? Well let's see there's Lethal, Styles.....uh I'm sure there's someone else that isn't old and actually could help them in the long run. Give me a minute here.

Lethal is obviously getting a push and Styles just got done with the longest title reign they have ever had. If you want to make a joke out of yourself and pretend there is no young talent I would be interested to know why they need to put so much time into pushing these who you seem to suggest do not exist?

Let's see. Hogan, Jarrett and Sting all get a lot of TV time and yet they haven't done a thing for the ratings yet they're making large amounts of money to do nothing other than stand around and talk.

Jarret does not get "a lot" of tv time. Sting is involved in a story that many find interesting and just took a break anyway. Hogan has diminished his time but to claim he should not be on the show is silly given his recognizable nature. This is all of three people. Two of them have nothing to do with the main event. I do not think any of them have held down a single young guy. Sting has been essentially fighting with established people. Is no more than 15 minutes really killing someones career? Seems unlikely to me. There is plenty of time to get over outside of those three.

 

[klunderbunker]

Do you really think the IWC makes up a majority of wrestling fans?

Of course not. They're the ones that voted in the poll though. If TNA wants to make it look legit, then push the guy the fans ask for or don't have the poll at all.

I would sure like to see where they said the fans would decide everything because they never did. I would like to see where on that poll it said vote for who we are contractually bound to get immediately pushed into the world title scene for the next few months because it sure as hell did not.

Well let's see. There's the thing where they say WE determine the rankings. I'm sure no one implied that it meant anything at all.

They still have polls. Hardy wins most of them. I do not even think wolfe comes in second anymore but he might.

So the most popular guy in the company gets wins. Makes sense.

There clearly are some wrestlers that are much less likely to jump compared to others. I bet Wolfe's contract is up in 3 months and both wwe and nigel have expressed interest in each other not too long ago. While RVD does not want to be in WWE, Styles is sticking around, Joe has a deal to keep him there, Abyss is not leaving etc.

So they signed him to a year long contract and aren't going to push him past a month for fear he'll leave? Do you have any idea how little sense that makes?

Jarrett is getting pushed? How by getting constantly destroyed? The ecw guys are getting pushed by sitting in the audience? Flair is putting people over right and left.

Jarrett being the main target of either the top or second heel of the companyw ould qualify as being pushed to me. If you don't believe the ECW guys are getting pushed you're an idiot. And yes, come see Jay Lethal: Senior Assaulter!

Lethal is obviously getting a push and Styles just got done with the longest title reign they have ever had. If you want to make a joke out of yourself and pretend there is no young talent I would be interested to know why they need to put so much time into pushing these who you seem to suggest do not exist?

So you have the same names I do. Good to know.

Jarret does not get "a lot" of tv time.

Uh, yeah he does.

Sting is involved in a story that many find interesting

Not really.....

Hogan has diminished his time but to claim he should not be on the show is silly given his recognizable nature.

That's true. He shouldn't be in the company. Much better.

I do not think any of them have held down a single young guy.

And that's why I'm enjoying your mindless rambling.

Alas though this is getting woefully off topic so I'll throw this in and drop it there:

Given the way TNA is structured at the moment, if Heyman is going to come in and "fix" everything, they're going to have to hit a huge reset button which is one of the dumbest things they could do. The old guys don't need to go, but the spotlight needs to stop being about them. THey're more trouble than they're worth. Heyman isn't going to solve things and it's more amelioration by TNA rather than an actual solution.