C.M. Punk's Going To Get Buried

[Kasey]

This is true, a good point. While I agree with you, however, I can't help but note that some guys just may not be cut out for those "6 million dollar paychecks" like Austin or The Rock. Austin was in the right place, at the right time when the WWE needed a change and his new "attitude/don't trust anybody" gimmick was perfect for the WWE's new emerging marketing campaign at the time. Aside from that, he was exciting to watch in the ring, and he had great mic skills to boot.

Can we say the same thing about RVD? Sure the guy can wrestle, he's one hell of an athlete. But is he exciting to listen to? And if so, would you say he is any more exciting to listen to than say Tommy Dreamer or the Sandman? Austin was the creator of an era, RVD is part of an era. So lets remember that before we compare the two. Notwithstanding there is the fact that RVD got arrested for drug charges last summer and mysteriously lost his ECW and WWE world championships the next day. Hmm, who messed up there?

And CM Punk should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Steve Austin or "6 million dollars" for that matter. I mean seriously the guy debuted in '03 which mean he's barely been wrestling for 4 years now professionally. Austin wrestled for 9 years before he won his first WWE title thats 5 years more experience, 5 more years of trial and tribulation through different gimmicks and personas.

RVD is exciting to listen to when he's uncensored and is able to be his original arrogant character, which is light years away from the harmless stoner that he's always portrayed in WWE. What Austin lacked in the ring, he made up for in mic work...however the writing is what saved his ass, bar none. Remember the skits and moments that made him a household name? Bedpan McMahon, throwing Rock's belt in the river, Bang 3:16, and a host of other moments that were brought forth by the writing. Not selling his ability short, but those moments weren't just done by Austin himself.

RVD, when marketed right, would be the biggest thing since sliced bread. Hell, he was so over in ECW, Joey Styles was once quoted as saying "if you look in the dictionary under the word "over", you'll see a big picture of Rob Van Dam right next to it." And this was to the ECW faithful, which were bloodthirsty lunatics. Hey, I'd never be one to support a champion who got busted for weed, but my question to WWE is simple: You knew full well the guy had substance issues (plus a write-up in High Times a few years back), so why flip out now? The old company would've played it into an angle and ran with it.

Austin basically ran the same persona through all of those years as Stunning Steve wrestling in World Class in Dallas, WCW in Atlanta, and didn't find his niche until ECW in the mid-nineties. CM has already been well-known as a legend on the indy scene for one-hour encounters with Samoa Joe that tore the house down in a huge fashion and found a gimmick/niche that suits him fine. As far as I'm concerned, he's earned his stripes a hell of a lot more than the three jokes holding the World Titles at present, if you ask me. He's definitely no Austin, but he doesn't have to be. I'd just rather see him at the top of the business than a guy like Cena, Lashley or Batista is all.

 

[Abyss]

I think he may go to TNA. He seems to be the sort of person who wrestles to the top.
If this is the case, TNA would happily accept him.

 

[Superdogg]

I mean for making out with Maria excessively? That's just ******ed because Vince Mcmahon does it to Candice and in the past he has made out with Trish live. That's kind of wrong. The owner can do it LIVE but Punk can't do it backstage. It just doesn't seem right.

Dude Vince making out with the divas was part of the show. You can't compare the two. Punk and Maria were making out while they were working, and I don't mean while they were on TV. It's considered unprofessional if you make out with you boyfriend/girlfriend while you are "on the clock."

 

[volvic]

i would like to see Cm Punk come to raw and fight cena for the title the guy has potential

 

[St. Joe]

first off CM Punks de-push is cause he pissed off Arn Anderson and Fit Finlay by bitching and what not and second if a guy gets a world title in his first year in a major company *cough*lashley*cough* you see he is not ready, you see it in his ring skills and hes mic skills *cough*still lashely*cough*

 

[justinsayne]

Dude Vince making out with the divas was part of the show. You can't compare the two. Punk and Maria were making out while they were working, and I don't mean while they were on TV. It's considered unprofessional if you make out with you boyfriend/girlfriend while you are "on the clock."

Yeah but they were in Iraq, when this happened, and it wasn't during the show, and besides can you blame Punk for extensivlly makeing out with Maria, I mean c'mon it's Maria, and another thing how come we only heard that Punk got in trouble and Maria didn't, if I was dateing a co-worker, and makeing out with her at work, I'm pretty sure my boss would have a talk to both of us about it

 

[rhcp22]

RVD is exciting to listen to when he's uncensored and is able to be his original arrogant character, which is light years away from the harmless stoner that he's always portrayed in WWE. What Austin lacked in the ring, he made up for in mic work...however the writing is what saved his ass, bar none. Remember the skits and moments that made him a household name? Bedpan McMahon, throwing Rock's belt in the river, Bang 3:16, and a host of other moments that were brought forth by the writing. Not selling his ability short, but those moments weren't just done by Austin himself.

RVD, when marketed right, would be the biggest thing since sliced bread. Hell, he was so over in ECW, Joey Styles was once quoted as saying "if you look in the dictionary under the word "over", you'll see a big picture of Rob Van Dam right next to it." And this was to the ECW faithful, which were bloodthirsty lunatics. Hey, I'd never be one to support a champion who got busted for weed, but my question to WWE is simple: You knew full well the guy had substance issues (plus a write-up in High Times a few years back), so why flip out now? The old company would've played it into an angle and ran with it.

Austin basically ran the same persona through all of those years as Stunning Steve wrestling in World Class in Dallas, WCW in Atlanta, and didn't find his niche until ECW in the mid-nineties. CM has already been well-known as a legend on the indy scene for one-hour encounters with Samoa Joe that tore the house down in a huge fashion and found a gimmick/niche that suits him fine. As far as I'm concerned, he's earned his stripes a hell of a lot more than the three jokes holding the World Titles at present, if you ask me. He's definitely no Austin, but he doesn't have to be. I'd just rather see him at the top of the business than a guy like Cena, Lashley or Batista is all.

Yes the writing makes a big difference and whoever is writing the skits in the WWE right now really needs some help IMO but that still doesn't change my original statement that Austin was the right guy, in the right place, at the right time. Like I said, he was part of an era where the WWE was developing a whole new identity for itself. Every time I've seen RVD cut a promo he does the "R....V....D" thing pointing to himself with his thumbs and quite frankly it is just corny (I mean he's been doing it for over 10 years now you'd think he would be given something else to work with). You wanna let the guy go uncensored? Well what about all the young kids that still watch the show I don't want to sound like a pussy but you can't expose them to that otherwise you gotta change the rating, take a different time slot, etc.

And its not like the WWE turned a blind eye to RVD's "extracurricular activities" then suddenly came down on him for it. They have their policies and when he did that shit on his own time it was one thing. But its another to be caught in possession with it driving around (Not only is this illegal but the WWE has always had strict policies on arrests). The fact that he got arrested was grounds for his dismissal at the time but they let him stay.

And I think CM Punk will be good eventually but you just have to give it time. Batista and Cena both came into the WWE at a good time and started rising through the ranks when a whole heard of people were quitting. Now there are a lot of people in the internet wrestling community that don't like them but whenever I see these guys on TV the crowd seems to be really into them. True they may dub in cheers to make their pops louder but that doesn't explain the thousands of people on their feet and the thousands of camera flashes. You compare that to the reaction that say the great Khali gets and then tell me again if you wonder why they're at the top of the WWE (above all, you don't see them getting arrested, which also helps).

 

[Superdogg]

Yeah but they were in Iraq, when this happened, and it wasn't during the show, and besides can you blame Punk for extensivlly makeing out with Maria, I mean c'mon it's Maria, and another thing how come we only heard that Punk got in trouble and Maria didn't, if I was dateing a co-worker, and makeing out with her at work, I'm pretty sure my boss would have a talk to both of us about it

Here's the thing, and I respect your opinion, CM Punk and Maria, were on WWE's time. They were doing public appearances during the Iraq trouble. The WWE has no problems with Punk and Maria dating. The problem is that they were "making out" while they were directly in WWE's time.

 

[soulrebel]

Oh yeah, Punk is getting buried. Its why he was given a 10 minute match against Burke last week... and won. Its why the week before he had another 10-minute match with Matt Striker, and before anyone says it, I know he won with Kelly's help, but a win is a win.

For a guy who's getting or is going to get "buried" he sure is being given a lot of time on his matches, almost as much as the Main Events.

 

[Superdogg]

Oh yeah, Punk is getting buried. Its why he was given a 10 minute match against Burke last week... and won. Its why the week before he had another 10-minute match with Matt Striker, and before anyone says it, I know he won with Kelly's help, but a win is a win.

For a guy who's getting or is going to get "buried" he sure is being given a lot of time on his matches, almost as much as the Main Events.

For a guy who's "getting buried" he lasted in the Royal Rumble match for a long time.

 

[jazwaz1]

And his 'depush' and him getting 'buried - it's only leading to better matches. People saw Matt Striker's wrestling ability they never knew of. These matches are back and forth technical wrestling and I think people would rather see that then see a guy dominate all match.

 

[Kasey]

Every time I've seen RVD cut a promo he does the "R....V....D" thing pointing to himself with his thumbs and quite frankly it is just corny (I mean he's been doing it for over 10 years now you'd think he would be given something else to work with). You wanna let the guy go uncensored? Well what about all the young kids that still watch the show I don't want to sound like a pussy but you can't expose them to that otherwise you gotta change the rating, take a different time slot, etc.

RVD's old interviews didn't make him try to sound like a phony hardass or a nice guy. In essence he was the biggest dick you'd ever see on the mic. That was the brilliance of it, though. He was so conceded it made HHH look like Mother Teresa in that respect. His "thumbs up" routine would still actually carry the weight it once did if he wasn't relegated to be a permanent mid-carder who is downplayed and chopped off at the hilt with regards to his original, legit character. It'd be just as stupid as watching HBK and HHH do crotch chops when they're much too old to do that. Young kids were never a prime concern during the Attitude Era and they were still a large part of the audience in those days. An audience that was booming. Hell, pre-tape the show if need be to cut out all of the swearing. But using kids as an excuse to neuter a product that was once built around being edgy is just a cop-out.

And its not like the WWE turned a blind eye to RVD's "extracurricular activities" then suddenly came down on him for it. They have their policies and when he did that shit on his own time it was one thing. But its another to be caught in possession with it driving around (Not only is this illegal but the WWE has always had strict policies on arrests). The fact that he got arrested was grounds for his dismissal at the time but they let him stay.

Well, one would figure that with the newly instated Wellness Program that they'd have separated RVD from a push some time ago for coming up positive on a piss test. I just don't see the point in a double standard. Hell, Test and Masters are both swimming in anabolic enhancers, but are doing nothing except being pushed. What does that say for the rest of the locker room? 'Roids are okay, but weed isn't? Bad press aside, I really wonder if an arrest for illegally prescribed performance enhancers would net the same result if it was done on any of the WWE's other perennial juicers like Batista, HHH, Test, or Holly. Maybe...but I doubt it.

And I think CM Punk will be good eventually but you just have to give it time. Batista and Cena both came into the WWE at a good time and started rising through the ranks when a whole heard of people were quitting. Now there are a lot of people in the internet wrestling community that don't like them but whenever I see these guys on TV the crowd seems to be really into them. True they may dub in cheers to make their pops louder but that doesn't explain the thousands of people on their feet and the thousands of camera flashes. You compare that to the reaction that say the great Khali gets and then tell me again if you wonder why they're at the top of the WWE (above all, you don't see them getting arrested, which also helps).

The crowd at a WWE event is into whoever McMahon focuses the marketing around. As much as the fans boo over his lines about "The audience likes what I tell them to like" it's beyond true. Proof? Hulkamania and DX. I wouldn't say they don't get some pops. However, every time I tune into Smackdown it's like hopping in a time machine back to 1999 and watching WCW Thunder because of all the altered crowd responses and cheers. Sure they don't get arrested. That's all well and good. But there have been a ton of talent much more qualified that could be used in a much better fashion than Batista and Cena (many aside from RVD). And comparing Khali to those other two doesn't really help as a comparison. It's like handing me two handfuls of dog$hit and asking me which one I'd rather eat the most.

 

[Kasey]

Oh yeah, Punk is getting buried. Its why he was given a 10 minute match against Burke last week... and won. Its why the week before he had another 10-minute match with Matt Striker, and before anyone says it, I know he won with Kelly's help, but a win is a win.

For a guy who's getting or is going to get "buried" he sure is being given a lot of time on his matches, almost as much as the Main Events.

He also pulled a squeaky clean job to Bob Holly. Was also one of the first out of the stupid ass "extreme" Elimination Chamber when they let The Big Slow, Test, and Lashley have the top honors. Wins against two other jobbers don't really denote to much in the end. Especially, when his push was geared around his "addiction to competition" and then he has a chick help him? Lame.

 

[rhcp22]

RVD's old interviews didn't make him try to sound like a phony hardass or a nice guy. In essence he was the biggest dick you'd ever see on the mic. That was the brilliance of it, though. He was so conceded it made HHH look like Mother Teresa in that respect. His "thumbs up" routine would still actually carry the weight it once did if he wasn't relegated to be a permanent mid-carder who is downplayed and chopped off at the hilt with regards to his original, legit character. It'd be just as stupid as watching HBK and HHH do crotch chops when they're much too old to do that. Young kids were never a prime concern during the Attitude Era and they were still a large part of the audience in those days. An audience that was booming. Hell, pre-tape the show if need be to cut out all of the swearing. But using kids as an excuse to neuter a product that was once built around being edgy is just a cop-out.

Honestly I agree and I'm just getting sick and tired of people talking about RVD and his wasted potential. You look at his track record:

WWE Championship (1 time)
ECW World Championship (1 time)
WWE Intercontinental Championship (6 times)
WWE European Championship (1 time)
WWE Hardcore Championship (4 times)
World Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Kane (1), and Booker T (1)
WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Rey Mysterio
Mr. Money in the Bank (2006)
Fifteenth Triple Crown Champion
Sixth Grand Slam Champion

And if thats not enough I don't know what the hell is. I think he should just go to TNA and we'll see if he accomplishes even close to what he has done in the WWE. My money says he doesn't do shit.

Well, one would figure that with the newly instated Wellness Program that they'd have separated RVD from a push some time ago for coming up positive on a piss test. I just don't see the point in a double standard. Hell, Test and Masters are both swimming in anabolic enhancers, but are doing nothing except being pushed. What does that say for the rest of the locker room? 'Roids are okay, but weed isn't? Bad press aside, I really wonder if an arrest for illegally prescribed performance enhancers would net the same result if it was done on any of the WWE's other perennial juicers like Batista, HHH, Test, or Holly. Maybe...but I doubt it.

Man you've missed the point I was getting at. I said the WWE has strict policies against getting arrested with possession, I said nothing about being tested for marijuana or steroids. I'm sure that what the wrestlers do on their on time is their own thing; provided it isn't destructive and won't hinder their ability to perform. But getting pulled over and arrested for possession and then this coming out into the media? Don't you understand what I'm saying? It just looks bad. And its no secret that a large portion of the performers are on the juice but, in a way, its good for business. It is tragic when they abuse them or their bodies eventually quit because they can't handle it but it makes them stronger and makes them look bigger. Plus its not like they're engaging in an athletic competition which is based purely on performance (like football or baseball where it would be against the rules because it would give them an unfair advantage)

The crowd at a WWE event is into whoever McMahon focuses the marketing around. As much as the fans boo over his lines about "The audience likes what I tell them to like" it's beyond true. Proof? Hulkamania and DX. I wouldn't say they don't get some pops. However, every time I tune into Smackdown it's like hopping in a time machine back to 1999 and watching WCW Thunder because of all the altered crowd responses and cheers. Sure they don't get arrested. That's all well and good. But there have been a ton of talent much more qualified that could be used in a much better fashion than Batista and Cena (many aside from RVD). And comparing Khali to those other two doesn't really help as a comparison. It's like handing me two handfuls of dog$hit and asking me which one I'd rather eat the most.

Well then how come every time I read Smackdown or RAW results Cena and Batista are always on the list of the three highest pops. I have no argument that they dub cheers in, they have done it with every main event star but you can't argue with someone who is there live and is a part of the audience. You want a comparison I'll compare CM Punk to John Cena at the Royal Rumble. Cena's ovation was HUGE whereas the crowd was basically tepid for Punk's response. What, did they "quiet down" CM Punk's cheers to make him look inferior to Cena? Come on man, you're grasping at straws here. Don't make stuff up just because you hate Cena and Batista. Back when Austin and The Rock were WWE champions there were people saying the exact same things about them that you're saying about Cena and Batista. Mcmahon focuses the market around them because he's established a gimmick for these guys that people tend to like. Its $$$ which is the big picture thats why these guys are in business thats why everyone is in business. You don't think that TNA would have big stars like this if they could? You think they don't care about money?? Please.