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And Four Rooms...love it. Rodriguez and Tarantino's parts are HILARIOUS and all around awesome. Tim Roth is the god damn man in that flick. I used to actually watch that movie all the time with my buddy Evan I told you about and eat mushrooms and smoke up, GOOOD times.

If you watch closely, Kathy Griffin has a small part. So does Antonio Banderas, Madonna, and a half dozen other people. Working in a hotel, this movie makes me laugh and cry. I've had/seen wacko guests like those...

The last scene is obviously the best though...
 
This is for the people who have not had the chance to see this classic:

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Get to see The White Ribbon this weekend...awesome!!! Michael Haneke's easily the director of the decade.

Woah there now, that's a pretty bold statement. He's talented, but easily director of the decade? Hardly. Aronofsky among others trumps him. Wes Anderson as well.
 
Woah there now, that's a pretty bold statement. He's talented, but easily director of the decade? Hardly. Aronofsky among others trumps him. Wes Anderson as well.

What? Anderson and Aronofsky will both be lucky if they can make one film as good as either La Pianiste or Cache. From what I've heard about The White Ribbon, you might want to add that to the two films I just mentioned.
 
What? Anderson and Aronofsky will both be lucky if they can make one film as good as either La Pianiste or Cache. From what I've heard about The White Ribbon, you might want to add that to the two films I just mentioned.

Haven't seen La Pianiste, but Cache was excellent.

But you're seriously underrating both Anderson and especially Aronofsky. Requiem For a Dream trumps any film Haneke has ever made. Pi as well.
 
Requiem For A Dream was a very good adaptation of an excellent book. There were definitely a few things wrong with it though, mainly the excessive editing.

I'm not saying Anderson and Aronofsky are bad; they're very good directors with bright futures ahead of them. Haneke, though, is on a whole different level. Cache is the most intense film that I have ever seen. La Pianiste is the greatest book adaptation, ever (undoubtedly, Isabelle Huppert helped immensely).
 
Requiem For A Dream was a very good adaptation of an excellent book. There were definitely a few things wrong with it though, mainly the excessive editing.

The editing and creative cinematography was one of the highlights of the film, especially his use of Snorricam, which I'm admittedly a mark for.

How could you not like the editing? It went along perfectly with the themes of addiction and despair that dominate the film.

Quite frankly I'd go so far as to say that Requiem For a Dream is the best film of the last decade. There isn't a single flaw in the entire film, and it definitively sums up every emotion and all of the highs and lows of addiction. Not just drug addiction, but all addiction. It's the greatest film about addiction ever made, hands down.

I'm not saying Anderson and Aronofsky are bad; they're very good directors with bright futures ahead of them. Haneke, though, is on a whole different level. Cache is the most intense film that I have ever seen. La Pianiste is the greatest book adaptation, ever (undoubtedly, Isabelle Huppert helped immensely).

I really disagree with you here tdigle. Cache is great, but I found Requiem among other films to be far more intense. Haneke is very good, even great, but I think Aronofsky is simply a superior filmmaker. His first two films are better than anything Haneke has ever done.
 
The editing and creative cinematography was one of the highlights of the film, especially his use of Snorricam, which I'm admittedly a mark for.

How could you not like the editing? It went along perfectly with the themes of addiction and despair that dominate the film.

The cinematography was fine. The editing was, in my opinion, not. I think the biggest instance of the excessiveness of the editing was in the scene where Harry and Marion are lying in bed together and conversing. There's was too much split-screen editing in this one particular scene, and it really conveys nothing to the viewer. Is it nifty? Sure. But, that's about the only compliment that I could give it.

Quite frankly I'd go so far as to say that Requiem For a Dream is the best film of the last decade. There isn't a single flaw in the entire film, and it definitively sums up every emotion and all of the highs and lows of addiction. Not just drug addiction, but all addiction. It's the greatest film about addiction ever made, hands down.

I can't really argue with you here if the film touched you emotionally. But, I would definitely not call it the best film of this decade.

I really disagree with you here tdigle. Cache is great, but I found Requiem among other films to be far more intense. Haneke is very good, even great, but I think Aronofsky is simply a superior filmmaker. His first two films are better than anything Haneke has ever done.

That's cool. And, I'll also strongly disagree with everything you said here. In my opinion, Aronofsky has nothing on Haneke. Aronofsky's films are, first and foremost, character studies. So, he doesn't even really deal with the social themes that dominate most of Haneke's movies. We would be able to call this a wash, but, the one film that Haneke did do that could be considered a character study, La Pianiste, in my opinion, blows Pi out of the water and is better than Requiem For A Dream. Sure, Requiem For A Dream and La Pianiste superficially don't have that much in common, but, thematically, they both deal with self-delusion. And, I think that Haneke deals with this theme in a much less affected but more harrowing manner. Ultimately, Haneke's films are so much more subtle yet just as, if not more, disturbing than Aronofsky's films.
 
The cinematography was fine. The editing was, in my opinion, not. I think the biggest instance of the excessiveness of the editing was in the scene where Harry and Marion are lying in bed together and conversing. There's was too much split-screen editing in this one particular scene, and it really conveys nothing to the viewer. Is it nifty? Sure. But, that's about the only compliment that I could give it.

You're going to criticize Aronofsky for resorting to nifty tricks, and yet praise Haneke, the director of Funny Games? Come on now. Explain to me how the rewind sequence in Funny Games is any different. It served no purpose other than to say "Hey, that looked cool!"

I can't really argue with you here if the film touched you emotionally. But, I would definitely not call it the best film of this decade.

It's not about touching me emotionally, it's about capturing all of the emotions and highs & lows of addiction, an extremely important subject that effects millions of people and yet has been relatively ignored by the film community for years outside of exploitation films or films that glorify drug addiction.

Requiem sums up the entire nature of addiction, and does so with both style and remarkable substance. I know you'll disagree, but that alone for me puts it above any of Haneke's films that I have seen.

That's cool. And, I'll also strongly disagree with everything you said here. In my opinion, Aronofsky has nothing on Haneke. Aronofsky's films are, first and foremost, character studies. So, he doesn't even really deal with the social themes that dominate most of Haneke's movie.

You know I respect you tdigle, but that's simply wrong. Aronofsky's films don't deal with social themes? Drug addiction isn't a social theme? I'm sure you've seen The Wrestler, and while it's obviously a character study first and foremost, it clearly deals with several social issues including poverty and addiction. Besides, I'm not sure how the fact that Haneke deals primarily in social issues makes his films better than those that are character studies. That's a pretty outlandish statement.

We would be able to call this a wash, but, the one film that Haneke did do that could be considered a character study, La Pianiste, in my opinion, blows Pi out of the water and is better than Requiem For A Dream. Sure, Requiem For A Dream and La Pianiste superficially don't have that much in common, but, thematically, they both deal with self-delusion. And, I think that Haneke deals with this theme in a much less affected but more harrowing manner. Ultimately, Haneke's films are so much more subtle yet just as, if not more, disturbing than Aronofsky's films.

Like I said before, I haven't seen La Pianiste, but I'll have to see it now that i've heard you speak so highly of it. It would have to be unbelievably amazing though to be more harrowing than Requiem For a Dream. Requiem is genuinely one of the most frightening films I've ever seen.

Perhaps I simply have a different outlook on Requiem than you do because the themes of the film are ones that I can identify with from personal experience.

Haneke is great don't get me wrong. But I've never seen a film by him and thought "Well, he just summed up every single aspect of the topic he was dealing with, no film will ever be necessary again to delve into that subject" in the way that Requiem does for me. It basically makes any further films about drug addiction obsolete IMO.
 
Hey JMT, I'm watching Into the Wild right now. Just started it. I'll let you know what I think. I'm digging the Pearl Jam song opening thus far.
 
Sweet.

And Eddie Vedder did the entire soundtrack, so you're going to hear his music all throughout the film, and it's fucking awesome.
 
Damn, I didn't realize Jena Malone was in it. I probably would have seen it sooner had I known that. Something about her is so beautiful. Probably has to do with my obsession with Donnie Darko and The Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys.
 
Probably has to do with my obsession with Donnie Darko and The Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys.

Not a fan of Donnie Darko, but The Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys is fantastic. A great, great coming of age story that never gets old.

With the exception of Speed Racer, I have yet to see a film starring Emile Hirsch that I didn't love. The Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys, The Emperor's Club, The Girl Next Door, Lords of Dogtown, The Mudge Boy, Into the Wild, Alpha Dog, The Air I Breathe, The Mudge Boy, and Milk are all truly tremendous films. And he's in Taking Woodstock that's coming out soon as well, and that looks great, too.
 
I've actually heard some pretty bad things about Taking Woodstock, supposed to be a run-of-the-mill comedy apparently. I'm still going to check it out though, Ang Lee + Emile Hirsch + Woodstock = me sitting in a movie theater with a big grin on my face.

Lords of Dogtown is amazing as well, I think that's Heath Ledger's best performance TBH, better than the Joker. The way he changes his voice and everything, you barely recognize him. Never saw Alpha Dog, was it any good?

And why not a fan of Donnie Darko? Too pretentious for ya? :D
 
Tell me if you agree with my assessment of Into The Wild's main character.

I really couldn't sympathize with him.
 
I did feel kinda bad for him, as he was obviously troubled on some level. And xfear, it's a great movie. Before I watched it, however, I thought it would make Christopher/Alex would come off like that Grizzly Man douche. I was wrong.

I just finished a little movie called Swingers. Anybody else ever experience it? Vince Vaughn, when he still looked like he got sleep, and Jon Favreau. Oh, and the blind dude from Becker is in a few scenes, too.
 
Well I'm only about an hour into it, so don't spoil anything.

Where the FUCK did Vince Vaughn just come from?!?!?!??!!??!!?
 
Well I'm only about an hour into it, so don't spoil anything.

Where the FUCK did Vince Vaughn just come from?!?!?!??!!??!!?

I was wondering if anyone had seen Swingers. Figured I'd list him in that section, as he was one of the stars of said film. I apologize for confusions that may have occured. I will now go play in traffic.
 
I was wondering if anyone had seen Swingers. Figured I'd list him in that section, as he was one of the stars of said film. I apologize for confusions that may have occured. I will now go play in traffic.

lol nah I was actually talking about Into the Wild which I am watching right now, and Vince Vaughn is in it. Which is why I asked....Where the hell did he just come from?! I don't ever remember hearing about him in the film. He's good in it thus far though.
 
Well thus far JMT I can tell you that I'm already blown away by this film. I'm a little more than halfway through and already it's making me want to smash my laptop into pieces, burn my house down and go live on the land Walden style.

Not a single thing wrong thus far, if the film keeps up at this rate it's going to quickly become a favorite.
 
You're going to criticize Aronofsky for resorting to nifty tricks, and yet praise Haneke, the director of Funny Games? Come on now. Explain to me how the rewind sequence in Funny Games is any different. It served no purpose other than to say "Hey, that looked cool!"

One of Funny Games' intents is to bring to the surface the expectations that we have for the films we watch. Chief among these expectations is the rule of karma (or what we interpret to be karma in the Western world), or, simply put, the expectation that the good guys will come out on top and the bad guys will get theirs. But, Haneke wants nothing to do with escapism; film, to him, isn't meant to be a panacea that imposes moral order onto something that he believes to be chaotic and meaningless (i.e., life).

Ultimately, then, the rewind sequence serves to, at least partially, satisfy Haneke's aforementioned intent. We, as an audience, get a sense of relief when one of these young sociopaths is finally shot and, presumably, killed. But, then Haneke rewinds the film in order to show us that he won't acquiesce to the unstated demands that most viewers have. Condescending? Maybe. Effective and purposeful? Most definitely.

You know I respect you tdigle, but that's simply wrong. Aronofsky's films don't deal with social themes? Drug addiction isn't a social theme? I'm sure you've seen The Wrestler, and while it's obviously a character study first and foremost, it clearly deals with several social issues including poverty and addiction. Besides, I'm not sure how the fact that Haneke deals primarily in social issues makes his films better than those that are character studies. That's a pretty outlandish statement.

Do Aronofsky's films offer a critical look at society and examine how it affects the characters of his films? I would argue that this is not the case. His characters are addicted to drugs, and they are impoverished, but he doesn't really explain why they are addicts or extremely poor. Aronofsky takes things as they are. There's nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't preclude him from being a great director, but it does show that Aronofsky, relative to Haneke, doesn't look at the big picture, or how things work on a macro rather than micro level.

Furthermore, in mentioning how Haneke deals with social issues, I was merely stating facts and looking for a point of comparison between the two. No theme has more value than any other, so I'm not sure where you got that impression.

Like I said before, I haven't seen La Pianiste, but I'll have to see it now that i've heard you speak so highly of it. It would have to be unbelievably amazing though to be more harrowing than Requiem For a Dream. Requiem is genuinely one of the most frightening films I've ever seen.

Perhaps I simply have a different outlook on Requiem than you do because the themes of the film are ones that I can identify with from personal experience.

Haneke is great don't get me wrong. But I've never seen a film by him and thought "Well, he just summed up every single aspect of the topic he was dealing with, no film will ever be necessary again to delve into that subject" in the way that Requiem does for me. It basically makes any further films about drug addiction obsolete IMO.

It is probably the case that we do have different perspectives on the films that we watch, as you say. And, I will agree with you to a certain extent that Haneke doesn't deal with subjects with such finality as other directors. But, I don't see how this is meant to be disadvantageous to Haneke, as, instead, with his films, he has provided unprecedented insights into the human condition. I don't think any film of his better demonstrated this than Cache, which seeks to show that egoism plays a bigger role in our lives than we want to admit. And, if Haneke's argument here does have merit, then there are many, many disheartening implications for social progress.
 
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Murf...how in the HELL could you not have any sympathy for Hirsch's character at the end of Into the Wild!??!?!? What the hell is wrong with you!?

Just finished Into the Wild JMT...wow. I mean, just wow. Five stars man. Fucking brilliant, a masterpiece. I was literally in tears when the film ended, a mixture of sorrow and happiness over the beauty of life and the journey that Chris took. This has to be one of the best films I've seen in a long, long time. Not a single flaw in the entire thing, and I think once I finish responding to tdigle I'm going to go take a nice walk down to the forest not far from my house and just enjoy the Earth for a bit.

Oh and tdigle I'm writing up a response right now to your extremely intelligent post.
 
Murf...how in the HELL could you not have any sympathy for Hirsch's character at the end of Into the Wild!??!?!? What the hell is wrong with you!?

Just finished Into the Wild JMT...wow. I mean, just wow. Five stars man. Fucking brilliant, a masterpiece. I was literally in tears when the film ended, a mixture of sorrow and happiness over the beauty of life and the journey that Chris took. This has to be one of the best films I've seen in a long, long time. Not a single flaw in the entire thing, and I think once I finish responding to tdigle I'm going to go take a nice walk down to the forest not far from my house and just enjoy the Earth for a bit.

Oh and tdigle I'm writing up a response right now to your extremely intelligent post.

I'm probably a nihilist.

I didn't sympathize with him until he was dying in agony because of the way he treated others. His lack of care for them negated most of the feelings I've felt for him.

Plus, as someone who has experience with the wilderness, he was an idiot about they way he did things.

That's more of an aside than anything else.
 
Just finished Into the Wild JMT...wow. I mean, just wow. Five stars man. Fucking brilliant, a masterpiece. I was literally in tears when the film ended, a mixture of sorrow and happiness over the beauty of life and the journey that Chris took. This has to be one of the best films I've seen in a long, long time. Not a single flaw in the entire thing, and I think once I finish responding to tdigle I'm going to go take a nice walk down to the forest not far from my house and just enjoy the Earth for a bit.

Awesome, man. I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did. I thought you would. The Holbrook scene still gets to me, even after I've watched it as many times as I have.

And hopefully, you find both Delirious and Gone Baby Gone to be as enjoyable as I hyped it as well. You'll like Delirious I'm sure, but I think you're absolutely going to love Gone Baby Gone.

And you know what? Tomorrow I get paid and along with picking up Seasons 2 & 3 of Friday Night Lights, I'm also going to get The Piano Teacher and Caché. You guys know how I felt about Funny Games, but at the same time... I've read people who hated Funny Games as much as I did, but yet still call those two films masterpieces. So I will see for myself just how great of a director this Michael Haneke is.
 
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