Brock VS ?

[Mustang Sally]

I post this topic in the PPV section rather than WM29 because it's an ongoing concern, not just a factor for April. As well, it's not in WWE section because it concerns a guy whose matches will be seen only on PPV. As excited as WWE apparently is to have Brock Lesnar working for them on an occasional basis, the problem remains: who will his opponents be?

Are you one of the folks who doesn't care for the idea of him facing Triple H again? If so, I ask...... who do you put in with Brock? Who is a big enough name with a big enough body who can generate a big enough fan reaction to make it worthwhile to use an asset like Brock as the opposition?

I look at C.M. Punk and try to picture him standing in the ring with Brock Lesnar. Folks, it's gonna look ridiculous if it ever happens. Punk is too small and his physique too ill-defined. People who complain that the Punk-John Cena saga went on too long should realize that in terms of size, charisma and drawing power, Cena was the perfect opponent for Punk.....in fact, for a lot of people, and the adaptability of Cena's character is something even the Cena-haters may eventually come to acknowledge. But putting Punk in the ring with Brock would look ludicrous. Yes, with innovative script writing, it might look as if Punk could compete with him, but only in the fairy tale world of pro wrestling. Would anyone believe Punk could beat Brock in a shoot fight? If you do, maybe you also believe Rey Mysterio could pin Batistia for real. It's got to look believable before the match even starts or people won't want to buy the match.

So, who else goes in there against Brock? We know Cena and Triple H can; they're both big enough bodies and respected names to make it look real. After they do Trips-Brock at WM29, they may have to use Cena again.

Who else?

Big Show? Maybe. He wouldn't even have to turn face; he's been doing that "ultimate loner" thing for awhile and could get up a decent heel vs heel thing with Brock. No, it's not particularly exciting, but opponents for Brock have to be found somewhere, right?

Mark Henry? Same as Big Show, I suppose. Mark certainly has the size to make a match with Brock look real, although one guy or the other would have to turn good, and it isn't going to be Brock. Though I have no firm basis for thinking so, I believe he wants to remain a heel....and admittedly, it's hard to imagine him otherwise.

Kane? Sure, but they would have to prepare him by getting him away from Daniel Bryan and restoring his "monster" image again, which could be done. Is the prospect of Kane-Brock exciting? No, not now....but if they pushed the hell out of an indestructible version of Kane, it might work, although once again it would be heel vs heel because the gargoyle who brutalized Zack Ryder isn't going to feature as a good guy.

Randy Orton? While Randy has the rep and body size to make it look believable against Brock, he's lost a lot of luster in the past couple years. He now loses matches cleanly on Raw and Smackdown, which was unheard of in the past. But they could push him again and if they do, Brock vs. Randy could work.....and again, foes for Brock are needed. (Apply within)

Ryback? Yeah, this could go. He could use more work on his ring repertoire, but since he had his sudden ascent to main event status, he's been picking up experience. I think a PPV go against Brock would work, if just for the impressive bodies Vince McMahon likes to see.

Alberto Del Rio? Well, he has the body size and ability to wrestle circles around Brock, yet it's hard to imagine the match-up creating much excitement.

Jack Swagger? I include him because WWE management seems to be absolutely crazy about him since his return. Also, he's got the size and wrestling ability to make it look good against Brock, although I can't see Creative calling for a Swagger win.

Ezekiel Jackson, Great Khali? Big E. Langston? Get outta here.


Add to all this the notion that Brock apparently wants to face only big-timers, a factor that lets out several of the above mentioned people. I still remember him bitching about being fed Hardcore Holly all those years ago, feeling a guy of his caliber deserved more noted opposition.

Well, maybe Brock was right, but who's it gonna be? You don't want to watch him in there against Daniel Bryan or Dolph Ziggler, do you? They're too damn small and I can't imagine them generating enough interest to make it worthwhile to put them in against a guy who appears so infrequently.

Based on last year's results, we're apparently going to be treated to two Brock Lesnar mini-feuds a year. Personally, I thought Brock would be a one-year experiment, which WWE would consider not worth repeating when measured against whatever monstrous sum of money they must be paying him. Well, I was wrong, because here he is again.

Presumably, management has a long-term plan in mind. It's great to have a major presence like Brock Lesnar in the company......but he needs folks on the other side of the ring to make it all feasible, and that's where the difficulty arises.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

CM Punk

Brock Lesnar vs CM Punk - 2 Paul Heyman guys,one on one at Wrestlemania. And no it won't look ridiculous because of size difference. For example Rey Mysterio has defeated guys like Big Show,Kane etc before and he is a former World Heavyweight Champion.Did that look believable? No. But WWE did it anyways because its Sports-ENTERTAINMENT.

CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar can be a great match.

After Wrestlemania he can fued with guys like Randy Orton, Mark Henry, Sheamus etc.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'm honestly fine with Brock facing Trips again. They are both huge names and it gives them each something to do. They are capable of better than what we got at Summerslam so I'm going into their Wrestlemania match with higher expectations. It's better than having Brock face Cena again, as they will not be able to top the Extreme Rules match last year. Also I certainly do not want to see him face Taker. That doesn't interest me in the slightest. Trips in a rematch is fine for Wrestlemania 29. It won't be the best match of the night, although it should be decent. I just hope that it will be better than their Summerslam 2012 match and that the feud ends after Wrestlemania. After that it should be a different wrestler's turn.

Now, then. What about during this summer? That to me is the much bigger question. There are several names on the roster who could put on a decent feud with Brock. They already had the Cena feud and are finishing up Trips' angle at Wrestlemania (hopefully) so who will be next? Orton, Sheamus, Ryback, Jericho, Christian, Del Rio, Punk, Bryan, and Swagger all come to mind. Some would be better than others, but all would be at least worth a look if WWE decided to run the feud. I would not be surprised if they went the route of having Brock face one of the bigger guys too though like Show or Henry. I'm not interested in seeing either, but if it happens I'd give it a chance. The point is, there are plenty of guys on the roster so Brock will need someone new to face this summer. Hopefully we get more than just two feuds this year, and somebody new, since there is no point in having him only face Trips and Cena when there's a good number of others on the roster who fans may want to see Brock feud with.

 

[MCMG]

HHH is fine for Mania. I'm not against him facing Cena later - mabye a WWE championship match at Sumerslam or the HIAC ppv.

For the future I think we will see him face the Rock. It is a big-name match I don't need to explain the benefits. Ryback and Sheamus are both options for the summer. Lets presume Lesnar only has one big feud between Manias. I think it would be with Cena but I would prefer a big build for one of these stars. Have Lesnar decimate some guys for the sake of it which allows the big face to enter. Ryback or Sheamus can go over like crazy by beating Lesnar. Everyone is happy. Brock picks up his paycheck, the WWE get more buys and Ryback/Sheamus have been booked in a strong manner.

Orton could also work. These two guys just need a match. I really want this happen but once more I see it as unlikely.

 

[SaveUsCMPunk]

I guess I'm fine with Brock facing Triple H. (Even though it's safe to say Triple H will get his win back.) At the same time, I'd like to see him face guys he's never wrestled before. Did Brock re-sign for another year or two years? If it's just one year, he should be facing someone like Jericho or Kane. That's two guys I don't remember him wrestling before. Like you say, Kane would have to be rebuilt back to the monster he was and Jericho would have to start winning some matches for me to think either one of them could "beat" Brock. Brock vs. The Rock at Mania next year(possibly) interests me. I'd like it if they referenced their Summerslam '02 match if they decide to go that route. However, Vince likes to think fans have short term memories so they might bill it as a "first time ever meeting" between the two. I mean, Triple H's first Mania match against Undertaker was only two years ago, right?! That match at Wrestlemania 17 never happened!

 

[Pedigree1]

Big Show? Big Show has been the loner for awhile now. These two have fought before as we all know but this time around one of these guys would have to be face. I never enjoyed the jolly ol Big Show that rout never worked for him hes a giant let him destroy people. I really dont wanna see this match to be honest.

Mark Henry? Kinda the same as big show. Mark Henry i absolutely have enjoyed the WSM/hall of pain rout he is on. WWE got this gimmick 10 years too late but at least they finally figured out how to use this guy properly. But unlike Big show vs Brock this match I would enjoy a lot. But neither of these guys are gonna turn face so this likely will never happen.

Kane? IN order for this to work Kane has got to become the monster he once was. I hate the half mask he wears. GO back to the full mask,have some sort of accident in which he can longer speak use that voice thingy,and obviously split from DB! That is the only way this can be believable.

Randy Orton? Orton has the body size to make this believable sort of. This match would be intriguing to say the least. But Randy would have to go to his special dark place. Brock is a beast a NCAA champion. I would pay to see this match. I would expect brock to go over but it would be a hell of fight!

Ryback? Nah Ryback is a one trick pony and just his catchphrase. Brock IMO wouldnt even bother wasting his time with this guy. The match if it happens we should not have to pay for it. Ryback is very limited in the ring,the only intriguing aspect of this match is both of them are strong as hell.

Alberto Del Rio? ADR,sure has the ability to out-wrestle Brock one of the only few guys that does. Yes i would love to see this match definitely. Power wise no doubt brock would have the advantage but athletically,ADR would wrestle circles around Brock. Brock like i said is a NCAA champ,ADR could have gone to the Olympics,big huge difference there. ADR also,has the body size to make it look believable so yes this match needs to happen IMO.

Jack Swagger? Well lets see if Jack Swagger isnt buried at WM and dropped to middle card status. I say lets visit this potential matchup later on.

Ezekiel Jackson, Great Khali? Big E. Langston? Get outta here. Agree 100% Its an insult to Brock and wouldnt blame him if he quit on the spot if he got offered these matches!


But i again agree with Mustang Sally. God its like our minds are one sometimes. Brock only wants big time names which leaves out most of the roster. I also thought,that this would only last one year but alas i was wrong. Are we being treated to two mini feuds a year at best with brock? IF were lucky yes thats all were gonna get. Obviously this guy is worth the investment he isnt going anywhere anytime soon. HEHEHE imagine if they locked him inside a cage with WOO WOO WOO you know it! Man i would love to see that!!

 

[The Eighties]

I don't like the Brock vs Triple H match for Mania but it's happening, I just hope they put a stip on it that avoids Brock just loosing clean to Triple H.

No one has mentioned Taker so far, I'd say that one is a lock, Taker may even work a Summerslam match if the Brock payday is up for grabs and the plan is for Rock vs Brock at Mania 30.

I don't get the whole issue with Punk being too small, Flair vs Vader and HBK vs Sid both worked fine, the monster heel vs the underdog face has been a staple of pro wrestling for 3 decades and with Punk's striking style and athletic ability I am sure him and Brock could work a great match.

The other cert for me is another match with Cena as their match last year was awesome. In truth it may be a good call for WrestleMania 30 instead of Rock vs Brock.

Orton is the only other name I can see Brock considering but he will need to be built back up and with a supposedly immenent heel turn this seems unlikely.

Guys like Sheamus, Ryback and Del Rio are just not over enough to warrant a feud with Brock given his limited schedule.

 

[darklord]

mark my words, Undertaker will wrestle Brock before he retires. I don't know where or when but I do believe he will beat brock clean before he take final rest in piece from the world of wrestling.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Brock Lesnar is a terrific problem for the WWE to have. When does the novelty wear off? He made his return and lost to Cena, he made his re-return and beat HHH, and now he has made his re-re-return and will face HHH again.

Does he lose this time? HHH's history and power say "Yes" but money and the future say "No". Brock's biggest gift in the long run is his ability to give someone younger a huge win. Once the wrapping is off the present where does he go? He's too big for the mid-card. He's not around enough to be the champ (totally different than The Rock as champ)? Is he really going to draw enough to command his salary if he becomes a defeatable juggernaut?

I am on the same page with Sally on this for the most part. Maybe not so much on the size differential but figuring out what to do with a guy like Brock is complicated. Which has lead to the WWE just throwing their hands in the air and book matches and rematches with HHH. Which should be better than their SS outing.

 

[gasM]

The Rock - Massive potential box office, not bad workers and will get mainstream attention. It's a lock, we could even see it twice.

Chris Jericho - Two part timers who somebody else mentioned haven't had a high profile feud with one another. It could be used to re-establish Brock as a beast if he loses too often and write Jericho off until his next return.

Sheamus - He has the size, style and intensity to match Brock's and unlike most potential opponents could use the rub going forward.

Ryback - See Sheamus, but he needs the rub so much more. However the match itself wouldn't be as good; not a trainwreck, but neither man's best.

Randy Orton - Has the resume and the pedigree to warrant a feud. Plus I feel their styles would mesh well and nobody can deny Orton's in ring prowess.

Kane - He's big enough, can carry the match well enough, and similar to Jericho is a star from Lesnar's era that hasn't fought him. (Y2J and Kane were both Attitude Era stars, but still played a big role in the Ruthless Aggression Era also.)

John Cena - It was entertaining the first time and entertaining the second time at Extreme Rules. Maybe Cena shouldn't have won, but hey, the buildup was great and the match delivered. My only issue is that I thought the three week build was so good (minus Brock's one and only live promo attempt), I wished there was more. Now Brock is staying two more years, there will be.

CM Punk - If Punk was a babyface and they played up his MMA background, this could work. He'd have to play a John Cena-esque role in the actual match and be beaten down for the majority, but his kicks and holds would make the match believable and the buildup would be gold if Heyman were representing Brock.

Alberto Del Rio - Del Rio is a great wrestler and has MMA experience, so the match would deliver. The buildup, on the other hand? Without the World Heavyweight Championship involved, I can't see it being entertaining enough.

Daniel Bryan - Now hear me out. His moveset would work. If they had the match leaning more towards the shoot style than sports entertainment, they could tell the story of Bryan using MMA holds and techniques to overcome the physical disadvantage. The man has trained with the Gracies, it would make sense.

As for Big Show, Mark Henry and Jack Swagger, the first two couldn't play the face role and Lesnar never should. Swagger possibly could, but his track record is unproven as a face and he will (in my opinion) never be over enough to carry a feud with Brock Lesnar. A future multi-midcard champion and tag team champion, but a main eventer carrying big money feuds Jack Swagger is not.

 

[BigLuther]

I'm really just waiting on Brock/Rock II. Their first match had such a crazy atmosphere and I think it could absolutely be done again. Although I'm not sure the crowd would turn on Rock the way they did back then, but it was still awesome. Aside from him, I'd really like to see Lesnar vs. Jericho. Imagining the mic work Heyman and Jericho would have back and forth is really cool and the match itself would be very well worked with both guys being such athletes. Matches with Orton and Ryback could be done, but the build doesn't intrigue me for either one.

 

[dukes07]

RVD had some solid matches with Brock back in 02. It is not unbelievable at all. Savage took on Nash, the Giant, Andre the Giant. DDP took on bigger guys. Jericho has as well as Benoit, Guerrero, and the list goes on.

It is all about how the story is told inside and outside of the ring, it does not matter who is wrestling. That is the beauty of a fake sport.

 

[I am Mr. Excitement]

Brock vs Punk at SummerSlam- It won't look rediculous with Punk facing Lesnar, yea Brock is a legit bad ass fomer UFC champ and all of that. But Punk knows a weapon Brock dosen't Brazilian Jui-Jitsu. If you watch UFC you know what it is if you don't watch the ultimate Royce Gracie DVD. Punk trains with one of the Gracie's in Chicago and I garuntee you if Brock puts Punk on his back Punk could pull a triangle, armbar, umaplata, etc on Lesnar. Plus I think the match is a must see.

Brock vs Orton- Could happen maybe next year because I think Brock is going to fued with Punk in the Summer and Rock during WM season.

Brock vs Rock II- It destined to happen, it needs to happen, it's going to happen (hopefully).

Brock vs HHH III- If Brock loses to HHH at WrestleMania and I have a feeling he will. He needs to face HHH at Extreme Rules in a steel cage match. Taking HHH to Brock's true home court advantage in ufc like match in a steel cage would be a huge match up. With Brock winning because he will need some kind of momentum when he comes back to face Punk/Rock.

Brock vs Cena II- I think this match should happen again sometime in the future. He could bring back the "if I was here for the eight years i'd be the top guy, not Cena" and could lead to a huge match up. Weather it be this comming year or next year, it should happen again, this time with Cena actually losing.

Brock vs Tensai- WrestleMani 31! haha

 

[vampirek]

Surprised nobody has said Brock v Wade. Whilst yes Wade is currently being wasted on tv, they could build up his bare knuckling fighting background and just let him go all out on Lesnar. Not a wrestling match but a pure fight

 

[lil bitch Kid]

Hmmmm, who would I like to see Brock work/job to?????? Good question....remember, we've got a minimum of two more years...

In no particular order:

- Brock vs Rock at Mania 30: the rematch is bound to happen. If they can get Taker to work Brock, then Taker vs Brock at 30 and Brock vs Rock at 31

- Brock vs Punk: it has to happen.....both guys with Heyman, one will turn face and the other stays with Heyman. this is the feud Punk needs to win, and I think it's happening this summer.

- Brock vs Ryback: the rematch from Mania 20..., oh wait, that was Goldberg....same shit...realistically speaking, Ryback needs to win the match

- Brock vs Sheamus: the feud of pasty roid freaks.....

- if they have the dates available, I'd go for Brock vs Orton, but it would be a match I could not care less about, but I think will happen.

 

[Wolf Pac]

I don't mind Brock facing Trips again. Like Dagger Dias said, they are both huge names, it gives them something to do, and they will make big money for the pay-per-view despite the IWC's pissing & moaning, so who cares what they say. I'm sure they will top their match at Summerslam easily this time around. This is Wrestlemania, everybody steps their game up for their matches at the big one (and before anyone brings up Goldberg/Brock, Brock was on his way out, so he didn't give a rats ass about putting on a good performance for that match), and I'm also sure both guys know that their last match wasn't very good, so I think they will be careful not to repeat the same mistakes they made in that match, and we'll see them put on a good one this time. This rematch needs a stipulation though to spice things up, like a Hell in a Cell match. With Lesnar putting out Vince a few weeks ago, this feud has become more personal & intense between the two, it only makes sense that the rematch take place inside a big environment like this. We could see some good things come out of the Cell between the two, plus I doubt the IWC will bitch as much about the rematch if they add something new to it like the HIAC.

As for who Lesnar's opponents could be in the future? One name that was left out and I would most love to see Lesnar feud with in the summer, is Sheamus. This feud has to happen before Lesnar's contract with WWE is up. If you put Lesnar face to face with most of the WWE’s top stars, you wouldn’t realistically expect many of them to stand a chance against him. However, Sheamus is one of those few guys who could believably beat him. Both guys are similar in so many ways from their size, their style, their intensity to the way they were built up in the company. Also, Brock was the top dog on Smackdown at one time and Sheamus currently is on Smackdown, the feud could start over Brock accusing Sheamus of being a "Brock Lesnar wannabe". And after Rock leaves, Smackdown will need a huge name like Lesnar on the show to help boost ratings. Wouldn't you love to see Lesnar back on the show where he made his name? Also like some posters here mentioned, Sheamus could use a rub from Lesnar. Although he is the company's #2 or #3 man, he hasn’t had the marquee wins over the last year that some of the WWE’s other top babyfaces have. He needs a big feud and a major win to help solidify himself as a top guy, and there would be no better man for him to beat than Lesnar. Actually, Sheamus beating Lesnar could be looked at as a passing of the torch if you think about it.

 

[Mustang Sally]

One name that was left out and I would most love to see Lesnar feud with in the summer, is Sheamus.

You're right, and it was a foolish omission on my part. Sheamus has the size and rep to qualify as an opponent for Brock somewhere down the line. I also think he's a guy Brock would accept as an opponent, presuming Brock has the right to refuse anyone he doesn't want.

The problem at this juncture: Sheamus is too happy. To get in a feud with Brock, Sheamus needs to be mad enough to snort fire from his nostrils. The good thing is that Brock can do something rotten enough to Sheamus to make it happen. It would lead to a Pier 6 brawl and I'd love to see it.

Still, for WM29, I see Triple H as the best opponent for Lesnar. Trips has the size, notoriety and ability to put on the best match with him. Plus, he has the kayfabe motivation after the injuries he sustained at Brock's hand last year.

When you boil it down, there just aren't that many people who could put on an attractive, believable match with Brock Lesnar. Maybe that's why his deal calls for him to appear so rarely. That part probably appeals to Brock, so everyone's happy.

 

[Martin Gabriel]

I don't think size should exclude people like CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan. Punk in particular has wrestled The Undertaker, Kane, Ryback, Sheamus, Batista, Big Show and Mark Henry. If we just want to discuss people of similar builds as Lesnar, Ryback is actually heavier than Lesnar while Batista is taller and heavier -- though Lesnar was supposedly one to three pounds heavier than either of them before dropping weight for MMA. Regardless, WWE has presented greater size disparities than the one between CM Punk and Brock Lesnar. I don't think it'd be difficult to book a match that reflects the difference in physiques and styles, especially for Punk, considering how many different styles of matches against so many different opponents he's worked over the past few years.

 

[PsychoBlack]

Lesnar vs Swagger would interest me. As a guy who competed in amateur wrestling since I was 5 up until I graduated high school I'm a big fan of mat wrestling. these two could go out and put on a clinic on the mat, and If Swagger wins he would be permanently cemented into the main event. Kurt Angle also recently said he would consider returning to WWE I think if he did and Brock just ran through guys Angle could show up as his Kryptonite and they could bill him as someone who knows what it takes to beat Lesnar, so that would be interesting. The only other guys I could think of that could make an interesting feud would be Orton or Bryan. Orton is just awesome and can have a great match with anyone and Bryan is the same way except that he has so many different submission hold and could use his speed to counter Brock.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Heyman is frustrated with his guys both losing. So Punk and Lesnar become more of a team kind of like Austin/HHH in 2001. Just terrorizing everyone. Maybe a mega Raw main event with Cena/Rock vs Lesnar/Punk. Maybe use it to elevate someone like Ryback vs Lesnar. End it with Team Heyman vs Team McMahon at Survivor Series. Lesnar splits off and becomes focused on either winning the WWE Title or ending the streak.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Heyman is frustrated with his guys both losing. So Punk and Lesnar become more of a team kind of like Austin/HHH in 2001. Just terrorizing everyone. Maybe a mega Raw main event with Cena/Rock vs Lesnar/Punk. Maybe use it to elevate someone like Ryback vs Lesnar. End it with Team Heyman vs Team McMahon at Survivor Series. Lesnar splits off and becomes focused on either winning the WWE Title or ending the streak.

It's a good idea, but Lesnar's contract makes it impossible to keep him around enough to make it work.

If there's anyone who has things his own way in WWE, it's got to be Brock Lesnar. He wrestles twice a year, shows up a few times before the match to promote it while having someone else do his talking for him, refuses to attend Wrestlemania Access and sit at a table, because he doesn't like to......and I'm afraid to think of how much money they pay him to (not) do all this.

The man's got life working his own way and as much as I'd like to see him join with Punk, even for a brief period, it probably won't happen because there aren't enough appearances available in his contract to make it feasible.

 

[The Eighties]

Yeah, as much fun as it would be to see them wreaking havoc week to week Brock wont be around enough to make it work, I mean he only showed up for a few Raw's to build to his Mania match.

I do think a tag match main event could well happen at some point through, maybe Cena and Rock vs Punk and Brock, one of the few tag matches that could be a main event PPV draw.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

He doesn't necessarily have to be. He could be the big bad monster Punk summons when he nees help. Doesn't need to be a carbon copy of Austin/Rock. Also, what is Brock's contract and work dates like?

 

[The Eighties]

He doesn't necessarily have to be. He could be the big bad monster Punk summons when he nees help. Doesn't need to be a carbon copy of Austin/Rock. Also, what is Brock's contract and work dates like?

When it was announced that he'd signed a new two year contract the reports claimed the deal called for the same amount of dates as the original one year deal, which would mean Punk would have to go months without having him as back up as Brock's limited dates will no doubt be grouped around the two big PPV's, although if the poster is accurate it appears he'll work the July PPV this year as well.