Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg: Do They Deserve HOF Recognition?

[The "Blueprint"]

This is tough for me to say but i don't believe either really deserve it.

Brock Lesnar had a two year stint in the WWE becoming one of the hottest names in the biz and became a 3x WWE Champion along with winning the 2003 Royal Rumble. Here's the thing though, HE WAS THERE FOR ONLY TWO YEARS! As big of the mark he made in two years i can't help but to think of he just abandoned the business and never came back. Now Im not blaming him for leaving because he had every right to do so but im just saying he doesn't deserve a HOF spot.

Bill Goldberg stormed onto wrestling scene in WCW in 1998 going on an astonishing 174 win streak before it was ended by Kevin Nash. During his run he became a 2x United States Champion and a 1x World Champion. In 2003 he signed a ONE YEAR contract with the WWE becoming World Heavyweight Champion after feuding with the likes of The Rock, Chris Jericho, and Triple H.

While both of these guys has great careers in such short periods of time, those same short periods are what make me question whether or not they truly gave a damn about the business. Who's to say if they haven't been given those monster pushes they would've given up earlier on? Your thoughts?

this is my first thread so forgive me if it's in the wrong place or i fucked something else up.

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[Jeff]

I think Goldberg certainly does, but as for Brock I think he is more up in the air.

Goldberg, although he wasn't around too long in WWE, he had an amazing career in WCW, which is now under the WWE banner. All of his WCW accomplished are now "WWE" accomplishments so he should be in. I think they will eventually create a WCW "wing" in the hall of fame.

As for Brock, I am up in the air about. When he was around he made a impact on the WWE...and not just a little one. I think eventually he will make it in the hall of fame because when he was in WWE he was the star of the show. Plus Brock is still on good terms with WWE and speaks highly of the WWE. He won't make it in the HOF as long as he is fighting MMA though. After he retires from MMA, I expect they will eventually honor him.

 

[The Future Rises]

Of course they do. Goldberg's WCW run was enough for him to be in the HoF in my opinion. And his WWE run just adds more. He never bashed the WWE or went to another company when he left. I even remember him signing some sort of legend's of contract about a year ago.

Now Brock's WWE career was short. But he became a main eventer after just a few months of being there. Brock was known as "The Next Big Thing". He was a great wrestler. He was crap on the mic in my opinion. But he was still very over with the crowd by the time of Wrestlemania 19. Brock was a former WWE champion. And in WWE's mind. That's enough for someone to be inducted into the HoF.

But these two never had any chemistry in their Wrestlemania 20 match. They were both very talented big men. But they didn't have any chemistry. And that's why their match was one of the worst matches in Wrestlemania history.

 

[The "Blueprint"]

The problem i have with Goldberg is that this is the WWE HOF and quite frankly he hasn't done much for the company. Neither has Drew Carey or Pete rose but those guys aren't wrestlers and were put in for publicity (i guess?). If Goldberg goes in so does Eric Bischoff, and probably someone like Sting (who of course never wrestled for WWE). Maybe if they made a WCW branch in the HOF honoring WCW stars like DDP and Booker T (who probably deserves HOF recognition).

 

[Jeff]

The problem i have with Goldberg is that this is the WWE HOF and quite frankly he hasn't done much for the company. Neither has Drew Carey or Pete rose but those guys aren't wrestlers and were put in for publicity (i guess?). If Goldberg goes in so does Eric Bischoff, and probably someone like Sting (who of course never wrestled for WWE). Maybe if they made a WCW branch in the HOF honoring WCW stars like DDP and Booker T (who probably deserves HOF recognition).

I think every person you mentioned though should make it to the HOF in some point or another. You also have to remember that it is all about money for the WWE. Put Goldberg in the HOF, release a best of Goldberg DVD, and they are making profit. Put Booker T in, make a DVD and some shirts, making profit. If the WWE owns the rights to it, there is a chance that person could make it to the HOF.

Now, let's say Sting was to be inducted into the HOF (although I don't think he would ever accept). I am sure they would highlight all of his accomplishments in WCW but never acknowledge the fact that he was in TNA. They might say he was "in the independents". However I highly doubt WWE would put Sting in the HOF without him wrestling a match at WrestleMania.

As long as the WWE see a way to make money, they would do it. It isn't like they are still in competition with WCW.

 

[Dr. Mantis Toboggan, M.D.]

The problem i have with Goldberg is that this is the WWE HOF and quite frankly he hasn't done much for the company. Neither has Drew Carey or Pete rose but those guys aren't wrestlers and were put in for publicity (i guess?). If Goldberg goes in so does Eric Bischoff, and probably someone like Sting (who of course never wrestled for WWE). Maybe if they made a WCW branch in the HOF honoring WCW stars like DDP and Booker T (who probably deserves HOF recognition).

That shouldn't matter. Abdullah The Butcher never wrestled a WWE match in his life. Goldberg was one of the reasons why WCW almost killed the WWE. I honestly think Goldberg should be put into the HOF.

Brock Lesnar should be in the HOF as well. His microscopic run with the company shouldn't matter because all through out the 2 years he was there, NO ONE could touch him. He's did more in 2 years than most will ever do in their career...cough cough KOFI KINGSTON...

 

[EastCoastFan]

Given the way Brock talked about the bad blood between him and WWE, they'll never induct him into the HOF. Besides, Brock was only there for two years. Even though he did a lot, his career was too short to really be considered.

Goldberg has an outside shot. He had a very good career in WCW and even though WWE dropped the ball with him, his WCW time qualifies him. But like Brock, he has a lot of bad blood with WWE so don't hold your breath waiting for him to get in.

 

[RockandSock]

They were both faces of the companies they were in during their tenure so of course they will get in. Lesnar would have still been the face today. Bad blood aside because you never know what could play out i.e. Bret Hart. Goldberg has one of the most prestigious wrestling streaks besides Taker. I can see Brock coming back in a few years for a BIG payday when he cannot compete anymore successfully in MMA. They have put in people that accomplished LESS in MORE years therefore I do not see what would stop them.

 

[H33LTurn]

I dont know about Brock Lesnar. He left such a huge mark on the WWE that they still talk about him, regardless of how long he was in the company. I dont think a HOF career should be judged by how many years someone spends with the business. If you left your mark you deserve to be recognized. I dont know if that recognition calls for a HOF induction for Lesnar, but it'll be interesting to see if WWE ever inducts him.

Goldberg definately needs to be in the HOF. Besides the nWo and Sting this guy was the biggest draw in the company. His undefeated streak along with his role as the face of the company for so many years should be enough to get him a legends position. Like I said, if you left your mark you deserve to be recognized and when you think of WCW one man you cant help but remember is Goldberg.

 

[ZeKa X Sk8eR]

Hell yeah they should be in the HOF! Why wouldn't they be. They both left huge impacts on WWE in what time they was there. When you think of WCW, who do think of? GOLDBERG! Who pretty much main evented every smackdown PPV from late 2002 to early 2004? BROCK LESNAR!

 

[KoC417]

Given the way Brock talked about the bad blood between him and WWE, they'll never induct him into the HOF. Besides, Brock was only there for two years. Even though he did a lot, his career was too short to really be considered.

Goldberg has an outside shot. He had a very good career in WCW and even though WWE dropped the ball with him, his WCW time qualifies him. But like Brock, he has a lot of bad blood with WWE so don't hold your breath waiting for him to get in.

Who says he has a lot of bad blood with the WWE? Who says Brock even has bad blood with the WWE?

I don't know if you have your facts correct because on the Road to UFC Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar they mentioned all of his time in the WWE, even showing short clips of matches. To me it seems if a guy had BAD BLOOD with a company neither side would agree to allow the video to be shown.

As far as the HoF goes. Brock- No, Goldberg- Yes. Goldberg's career was longer, Goldberg accomplished a lot. Look at the night Vince "acquired" WCW. The WWF/WWE crowd was CHANTING Goldberg's name. When Vince said "Goldberg?" the crowd went NUTS. That shows how big Goldberg really was. And for all of his popularity Goldberg never stepped on anyones toes. He got pushed to the moon but never demanded anything. As best I can remember he never had any WWE backstage heat. He came in, did everything they expected him to do (even work a crap WM match). But with well over 200 professional wrestling matches under his belt (All of which mind you are now property of the WWE) he deserves the HoF.

Brock- Not so much. His time with the WWE was short and yeah while he did a lot of memorable stuff (Superplexing Big Show nearly thru the ring, Beating Undertaker in Hell in a Cell, beating the Rock etc etc) the guy just wasn't around long enough.

 

[ZeKa X Sk8eR]

Does it really F'n matter how long Brock Lesnar was in WWE he accomplished more in 2 years then what some superstars accomplished in a 20 years. He beat legends. He beat icons. So yes Lesnar does diserve to be in the HOF.

 

[aboynameddirt]

I think it's an easy yes for both.

As many have said, WCW is just a part of WWE's past now and Goldberg contributed to it. He did groundbreaking things in WCW and had a decent run in WWE. He deserves it.

Many are saying Lesnar did huge things, but was only around for 2 years, so he doesn't deserve it. In my opinion, they just contradicted themselves. How often does that happen, someone blows up and becomes huge in only 2 years? Lesnar is the only name that comes to mind. Aside from having some 5 star matches, Lesnar deserves to make it into the HOF on his incredibly fast rise to the top alone.

 

[Marzyk]

Brock Lesnar should be in it for sure. He became a household name and while he was there John Cena was catching on with the crowd but could not overshadow Lesnar. That says a lot. A lot about his impact while he was there and the impact of his absence. The entire landscape changed simply because he was not there anymore.

I am not going to say that Goldberg's presence in WWE made or broke anything. And he simply added to NWO's, already in progress, domination for WCW. And I guess that I am the only one who noticed that his appeal maybe had a little to do with him reminding us of anothere bald headed, goatee wearing, bad ass on that other show. Nevertheless he too became a household name. I saw a local sports anchor cover him. That was the first and only time I have seen a local news sports analyst cover a wrestling match in America. For his mass appeal, he should be in th HOF

 

[KoC417]

Does it really F'n matter how long Brock Lesnar was in WWE he accomplished more in 2 years then what some superstars accomplished in a 20 years. He beat legends. He beat icons. So yes Lesnar does diserve to be in the HOF.

Yeah actually it does matter how long he was there you fool. Doesn't matter what he accomplished in those 2 years. And he really didn't accomplish a boat load.
World Wrestling Entertainment
WWE Championship (3 times)
King of the Ring (2002)
Royal Rumble (2003)

That is all he accomplished in his WWE career. He beat Hogan, wow, so have a host of other people. Beating Hogan is like collecting social security...if you wait around long enough eventually it'll happen.

Sheamus is a 2x champion, a King of the ring and US Champion. He's essentially already done what Lesnar has done in the WWE. He ended Jamie Nobles career. He beat John Cena who is essentially WWE's top guy. OH and he beat John Cena, Randy Orton & Edge in the same match to win his 2nd title.

So by your logic alone Sheamus has had a HoF career, and can retire tomorrow and be assured a place in the WWE hall of fame! Get the point?

Brock beat The Rock and Kurt Angle(2 times) for his title reigns.
But Brock left. He just simply LEFT. He left the WWE hanging. That alone disqualifies any man in my book. You don't just LEAVE when you have guys like THE UNDERTAKER putting you over. For crying out loud he had the UNDERTAKER putting him over on WWE TV and the jerk LEFT. Then he failed to find a job until the UFC took him in. Brock's quote "I was put on this earth to be a UFC Fighter". Similarly he said this exact quote years ago "I truly believe God put me on this earth to be a professional wrestler".

 

[hollowpoint]

My vote is for no to both. Goldberg would probably be more likely than Lesnar because of the reasons everyone said with only being around for 2 years. Brock made a big impact and he went over a lot of legends during his tenure, but for all intents and purposes he wasn't around long enough. He left to pursue his MMA thing which is fine, but it definitely hurt him.

Goldberg made a HUGE impact on WCW. He came around right when the nWo was on fire and he was the hero that brought them down so to speak. He accomplished alot in a little bit of time. I initially say no to him as well, but only because there are alot of Superstars that must go in before he gets in. Guys like Kevin Nash and (dare I say) Scott Hall. There are many others but IMO he didn't accomplish that much for him to go in right away.

 

[Dalek Rising]

Goldberg ABSOLUTELY deserves to be in the hall of fame. He was once almost as popular as Stone Cold. Sure, he had a short run, but, the streak (the other streak that isn't Undertaker's) is legendary. When I think of WCW, three names instantly pop in my head: NWO, Sting, and Goldberg.

Now, Brock Lesnar is a different story. I don't think he is deserving of a hall of fame nod. The only thing I think of when Brock's name comes up is UFC, and him botching that high flying move at Wrestlemania.

 

[DeathClutch]

Both deserve it,
From a wrestling stand point Goldberg was over HUGE in 1998-2001, he faced some of the biggest names in Wrestling, he only ever jobbed to the top guys (Bret, Nash & HHH, and Luger in a tag match one time) his run in WWE faulted but that was because he had this persona already and WWE had to follow that blue print but not destroy their own talent either, but his year run was pretty good.

Brock from a wrestling stand point he probably had the BEST TWO YEARS any wrestler could have ever had, he won multiple world titles, king of the ring and royal rumble, main evented Mania with Kurt and faced the biggest name in WCW in 1998 at Mania, come on sure he bailed and looked like a bitch but the guy did some good. Plus his career after WWE should get him in from novice to UFC CHAMPION in one and half years??? give credit where it's due.

Had Brock not have left WWE I wonder what would have happened to him, I don't think Cena would have been what he turned out to be, thou I think he'd of achieved World title status I believe Brock would have been the poster boy for WWE.

 

[hello_im_average_23]

Up untill now, only people who have done great things Within the WWE have gotten into the HOF. The only real HOF'er to do things both within and outside of the WWE is Hogan, but to be honest I feel he was given his HOF place because he was the man who Slammed Andre, won 6 WWF titles, headlined 7 Consecutive Wrestlemania's and the list goes on!

However, Vince doesn't tend to put people into the HOF untill they have retired, I know Goldberg has but if that wasen't the case, think of the guys like Kurt Angle, RVD, Scott Steiner who are currently with a rival brand, why would Vince put rival's into His HOF?

Goldberg
Yes and No
Yes: He does deserve to go into the HOF because of his career as a whole, He is probably the only wrestler who Main-Evented WCW PP's before he Main-Evented WWE PPV's, he had incredible successes in WCW and when he came to WWE he had a great rivaly with HHH and managed to capture the W/H Title in his short tenure in the WWE. All these things put together make for a very impressive career so Yes he does deserve a place in the HOF.
No: As for the WWE HOF, Goldberg had a 1 Year Contract and although had a very successful year, that isn't enough to go into the HOF, compared to HOF'ers such as HBK's 25 Year WWE Career, or Rick Flair's God Knows how many year long career in the WWE, It would kind of be a slap in the face for these guys to let a 1 Year, 1 Time champ into the HOF in my mind!

Brock Lesner
No
Brock had a 2 Year run with the WWE, although he achieved incredible heights such as a 3 Time WWE Champion, Winning the 2003 Royal Rumble and consequently going on to Main Event (And Win) that year's Wrestlemaina, however, like I said, a big slap in the face to guys like HBK and Ric Flair to let a 2 year long, 3 Time champion into the HOF. As for Brock's success in UFC, If were being honest, it's a totally different sport and if they were to let him into the WWE HOF on those basis, that would be like putting Shaq into the HOF because he is supposedly going to face the Big Show at 'Mania 28!

 

[Unsold Bacon]

First of all this should be in the HOF section, it's okay just learn your way around.

Bill Goldberg maybe might deserve it. In WCW he went like 180 matches before being defeated and Became World and US Champ. He was highly successful and one of the most popular guys in the company. When he jumped ship to WWE he was once again very over with fans and won the world title. He didn't have the greatest run in wWE but still have decent. He could also deliver the vicious spear.

Brock No. He didn't stay long enough and didn't do enough things that will stay in fans memories forever. Mostly because he only stayed for two years.

 

[Dude_Love87]

Goldberg is deserving. Goldberg was a phenomonon in WCW, but if the WWE isn't going to add a WCW section, then I don't think we're going to see many WCW stars get in.(Sting declined when Vince asked him to do a one time appearance at WM against the Undertaker, and he offered him a spot in the HOF)

You need more than a 2 year run to be in the HOF. Rose and Carey are celebrity inductees. Wasn't Lesnar on top during one of WWE's lowpoints?

 

[mrpops]

Both should be inducted someday.

Look at it this way... Brock lesnar and Goldberg(despite his shittyness at wrestling) were HUGE draws and are legends. 95% of the wrestlers in the world will never reach the success they achieved. Everyone knows who goldberg and brock are. They are famous for a reason. They arent some shitty jobber like yoshi tatsu, tyler black or zack ryder. Those no names should not be allowed.

Brock lesnar was an awesome wwe champ, ALWAYS had great matches/feuds, main evented wrestlemania, Had a video game named after him, won the royal rumble, broke the fucking ring with big show, killed zach gowen and tons of other memorable moments. He easily deserves it.

Goldberg deserves it too.

 

[hollowpoint]

The HOF is a career achievement. You can't even call Brock's run in WWE a career. The only record he ever broke was youngest Champion, but that was immediately broken. Again if he spent a couple more years in and then bolt, then maybe, but all the Superstars that are HOF'ers have done it for a lot longer.

 

[Shakin' Abe]

Goldberg made an impact in WCW. He didn't do squat in WWE. Lesner never lived up to the hype that Vince made. He had no charisma or ring skills, other than being bloated on roids. Now since we're talking about a fake Hall of Fame in a fake "Sport's entrtainment worldt". Why not Doink the Clown or the Brooklyn Brawler? Or even Barry Horriwitz? Those guys were around longer and made more of an impact on sports entertainment putting the top guys over. I mean, who doesn't belong? Or is it just a popularity contest?

 

[izzyinsanity666]

I agree with one of the above posts in that Lesnar's not gonna get inducted ever.

The only way I could see Lesnar getting inducted into the Hall is if he builds some kind of MMA legacy, and becomes some sort of global phenomenon, and get inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame as well. Then WWE might say, "Well, he was in WWE for a while, so why not?"
I think they did the same thing with Pete Rose, and Drew Carey. Though Pete Rose couldn't get into the baseball hall of fame, he had some moments in WWE, and they said "Hell, let's throw him in there!" Who knows, though, that's just what I think. I doubt he WILL get in, but I'm just saying, that would probably be the only way he ever would get inducted.

Now, I think Goldberg's a different story. Goldberg, in my opinion, was a wrestling legend. Although he, unfortunately, didn't have a 20-year career (I think it would be very amazing to see what he would've done in the next ten years after he retired if he kept wrestling), he solidified himself as a great character. Even from the beginning of his career, he was this unstoppable force, with that undefeated streak going, winning the WCW United States Championship, and eventually the World Championship. Nash finally broke it, and that was a great thing that they could've toyed around with, but didn't. Even so, he created a great mini-career in WCW by itself, then went to WWE, won the World Title, main evented RAW's, RAW PPV's, and everything else you could think of from 2003-2004. So with a great mini-career in WCW, and a solid, successful career in WWE, I think that's enough where it SHOULD be able to get him into the Hall, but whether he will get in or not is a different story. But yes, I think he deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. I know WWE's been thinking about a WCW wing in the Hall of Fame, and I would definitely put him in there.