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BEST TIME FOR A NEW COMPANY....

Well last week has been one of the most controversial and media rampage week in the history of wrestling. DANIEL BRYAN not being involved in the special and most important ROYAL RUMBLE match heading into WM 30... Fans getting furious over the internet..
Now reportedly CM PUNK the hottest merchandise selling star in the WWE is gone away from the company due to the frustration against the authorities lame booking and non-logic storylines.. So the reputation of the company is getting low..
SO what better time to start a new company if not now. this is the time you can get CM PUNK.. This is the time that u can grab ratings away from WWE by providing some attitude and signing big stars.. So what is your thoughts on this.. Will a new larger company brew up being a legit competition to the WWE. Only one thing.. If this happens it should be a huge investor..You free Thoughts...
 
You think it's a good time to start a wrestling company when WWE is at its most popular and are going to be giving wrestling fans more wrestling than they can ever hope to watch? You chase those big bucks in life, the_peoples_adam!
 
No. It's not. The WWE is financially stonger than ever. They will crush any and all attempts to "take them down" with ease.


And CM Punk isn't that important.


#StopmakingstupidCMPunkthreads
 
Do you realize how long it takes to get a company up and running? Then you have to factor in the cost and the fact that no one has heard of the company so a ridiculous amount of media attention. Not to mention in order to attract new viewers, you would need big names. Not CM Punk, but names that are recognized outside of the wrestling world that could attract a new audience. Let's face it, WWE fans will watch WWE no matter how crappy the product is. Also, CM Punk leaving isn't exactly a crippling blow to the WWE. Also Daniel Bryan not being in the Rumble arguably got him more over than him winning could have.
 
"most controversial media rampage week" Haha, what? Sorry, that made me chuckle.

Anyways, you don't just make a wrestling company out of thin air just because another one is having a crazy week. If it were that easy, TNA would have used the week of the Benoit murders to talk up the fact that none of their performers are murderers, making them the must-see organization. In short, this is a dumb idea as the second biggest company is still light-years away from touching WWE, so how much better would a new one fare?
 
In fact just stop making threads about how the WWE is such a bad company and how Vince doesn't like a guy that people do because he's a midget. The company will never unfold, CM Punk will never be a draw that big to change the landscape of wrestling and neither will be Daniel Bryan. It has been two of the best weeks for WWE, they are getting "heat" and working everyone for the first time in years. Kudos to them.
 
This is the worst time for a new company. WWE Network is going to pretty much ensure that no other company can ever compete with them again. They own the AWA, WCW, ECW, WWE, etc. libraries. There is literally nothing that a company can do at this point to compete. And that's the way it should be.

Ideally, I wish that the Indies would basically shut down for young guys, but that the WWE would incorporate an exceptionally large amount of different style trainers in the Performance Center. Honestly, I can't stand watching wrestling if it isn't the WWE, but that's because I'm spoiled by quality of show, instead of spots. And now, with the brilliant booking of Daniel Bryan, who I'm not even a fan of, the WWE is more popular than ever going into WM30.

Punk never mattered in the grand scheme, and he was nowhere near being the biggest merchandise seller in the WWE. I think he might have edged Cena for a brief period, but I'm not certain on that. Any company picking up Punk at this point is picking up a liability. He's a sloppy ring worker, and he's got the attitude of a spoiled kid.

There is some talent in the Indies left, albiet a very small amount. And TNA has a few people that could fit into the WWE. I say make the PC bigger, and let's get WWE back to where it should be.
 
WWE has the market on professional wrestling cornered, one could argue that this has been the case ever since the then-WWF bought WCW and started acquiring the archive footage of other defunct promotions, i.e. the AWA, ECW, Mid-South, and so on. When WWF/E started the 2002 Brand Extension, they were essentially making their equivalent to what the AFC/NFC is in the NFL and AL/NL are in the MLB, and so on. Obviously over the past couple of years the Brand Extension has indeed ended but just the same with the WWE Network starting up now, it's even more evident that "competition" won't ever occur again for WWE, at least in all likelihood. TNA hasn't been able to match WWE, and they've even been around for 12 years, despite what naysayers have said about them, and the fact that there have been other ill-fated attempts at competition, one of which TNA ended up absorbing, that being World Wrestling All-Stars. Well, let's just say, I highly doubt you'll ever get anything close to ever competing with WWE. Not even the legends of wrestling that TNA has lured over the years have done a thing, and to be honest, despite my on and off viewing of TNA, there's nothing wrong with having them as an alternative. Arena Football knows it could never be the NFL, and yet they still managed to have an audience. TNA can have that same benefit and still be around.

The way Vince McMahon has systematically operated over the past 30 years, it's hard for there to be any other brand of wrestling that can share billing with WWE. Look at it this way, this all really started when territories became obsolete and defunct, people my age only barely know of what the territory system truly was and growing up as a fan I was conditioned to the "Big Two" WWF and JCP (NWA)/WCW . You could even throw the AWA in there for a third, despite its being in its last years of life. ECW of course had a great presence and a hell of a niche audience, its contributions to wrestling can't be denied. However, as every generation passes by, the ideas of territories, and multiple big time promotions for wrestlers to jump ship to has become a long since antiquated model. WWE for better or worse is THE place to be as far as being in the big time of wrestling on this side of the world, and internationally they do very well also.

Trying to start a stateside promotion that does the same thing as WWE, isn't likely to happen. Not with the way WWE has manipulated things since Vince bought the company from his father back in the 80s. For relatively old farts like me that enjoy their nostalgia, the WWE Network is one vestige of the company I'll gladly support. But even without having a business major's degree, I'm very certain that a new wrestling promotion that TRULY tries to be a WWE like entity, just isn't going to work...EVER.
 
You think it's a good time to start a wrestling company when WWE is at its most popular and are going to be giving wrestling fans more wrestling than they can ever hope to watch? You chase those big bucks in life, the_peoples_adam!

To op's defense, I think he actually makes a good point. Think of how many people watch WWE right now because of Bryan and Punk. I'm pretty sure that most people right now watch WWE because of those 2 and Cena. If Punk leaves to join another company and Bryan leaves also, I have to imagine that people will tune in to the other company to see them perform. If they provide better story lines and more edgy product, I can see that new company getting close to rivaling WWE.

The WWE Network might be a big thing, basically clogging any other wrestling product out there, but it is up to the fans in which way they want to be entertained. It's completely different than how TNA failed to rival WWE. First of all, the management of TNA sucks. And then, there comes the argument that "Hogan wasn't able to draw attention". Yes, and that's because Hogan was relevant 15 years ago. Jeff Hardy wasn't able to draw, because, sure he was a big draw for WWE, but he wasn't the sole guy to watch at that time. You still had HBK, Orton (who was actually good back then), Cm Punk, Undertaker, Batista and so many other great names, so Jeff leaving the WWE wasn't so crucial.

Thing is, if Punk or Bryan or both leave right now, it will be crucial. They, along with Cena, have been carrying the WWE the past 3 years, so WWE will lose a lot of star power and probably viewers who will instead watch another company's product who will involve Bryan and Punk.

Personally, I'd hire Jim Ross and Paul Heyman, along with a great financial advisor to get started or something like that. Good economics, right advertisement and great TV would certainly bring the attention to the new company.

It is all just speculation though, and we can't be sure about anything. If someone has a dream/vision and enough money to get started, I can say that it is worth the risk.
 
To be honest, Punk nearly made me stop watching WWE when he was getting pushed through the roof. He's not a good in ring worker.

I don't like Bryan at all, but I watch because the WWE is pushing him and booking him so brilliantly right now, this hasn't been seen in so many years, I have to watch.
 
This is the worst time for a new company. WWE Network is going to pretty much ensure that no other company can ever compete with them again. They own the AWA, WCW, ECW, WWE, etc. libraries. There is literally nothing that a company can do at this point to compete. And that's the way it should be.

This pretty much sums it up. Unlike when Ted Turner and WCW came to be, WWF and Vince simply owned WWF. Right now the WWE pretty much owns the entire 100 year history of professional wrestling in North America. Those are huge assets the WWE has.

So whoever starts a new company is going to need more resources than Ted Turner has to eventually compete long term.

If CM Punk should leave WWE would still be financially sound since they have pretty much built an empire over the entire wrestling industry. WWE will move on with or without CM Punk and I say this as a Punk fun, what I have learned in any organization is that in a good company no person is bigger than the company, and this includes guys like Hogan, Austin, The Rock, or Cena. The first three I mentioned WWE/WWF moved on without them eventually.
 
It depends on who's starting the company.

WWE is flat out awful, if some major corporation or a billionaire partnered up with a great wrestling mind like J.R. or Paul Heyman, WWE would get rolled over, network or no network.

The bad news is, that's very unlikely to happen any time soon. It's like Cornette says. "The people that have the money don't know how and the people that know how, don't have the money".
 
WWE is better now than it has been since probably 2001. And even then, looking back, the AE was really bad, it's just that I was 15 when it kicked off, so I marked all the time. The WWE is full of talent and as the current booking is showing, has brilliant writers as well.
 
You obviously don't know what goes into starting a company financially, let alone getting media attention (which is already hard to get for pro wrestling thats not WWE) so people know you even exist, getting a roster together, getting star power on that roster, and then a TV Deal.

I think what you meant to say was that this is a perfect time for ROH or Impact to swoop in and take those disgruntled fans by providing an alternative to the WWE. Not only for the fans but also to potentially sway CM Punk's decision when he decides to come back to pro wrestling.

And indeed it is. Perfect time for TNA to switch directions and provide the alternative. Perfect time for ROH to drastically expand or at least get a major TV deal.
 
RoH will never get a TV deal because they're too worried about doing idiotic spots than putting on an entertaining product. TNA is just hemorrhaging cash.
 
Where would this "new company" get their roster from? CM Punk and who else? Think WWE and TNA guys are just going to break their contracts to join this new company? That's not how it works.

NO ONE is going to watch if it's just a bunch of no-namers that are great in the ring but can't talk on the mic and if no one has ever heard of them.


THIS IS THE WORST TIME FOR A NEW COMPANY.
 
If TNA hadn't started out as ECW 2.0, it probably would have been way more successful. While the blood and gore does attract a certain demographic of fans, if they had bought talent instead of bladers and garbage can wrestlers, they would probably be poised pretty well right now. However, that product for the first few years looked like ECW 1994, but not in a good way. That's the last time I think there was an opening for a company to rise up with WWE.
 
The market is very full, with a legal monopoly sitting at the very top. However, it wouldn't be "impossible" for a new company to gain traction if some criteria were met.

1) The person/entity opening the business would have to be as rich or richer than the entirety of WWE, INC.

2) The person/entity must have guaranteed access to one or two 2 hour prime time slots on a major network. ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, TNT, TBS, USA, and maybe FX qualify. ESPN wouldn't touch pro wrestling like that anymore, so while they'd work, it's not likely.

3) Several top name talents, of which 99% currently work for one company, would need to sign on at the same time. Getting CM Punk wouldn't be enough. WCW had Sting and Flair, brought in Hogan, but still had to add Savage, Luger, Giant, and others before they actually topped Raw in the ratings. If Hogan in the mid 90s wasn't enough to do it, Punk has no shot. Basically, you'd need about a half dozen of WWE's top guys whether they be current full time or part time guys.

4) You'd have to have a legit plan/formula to produce compelling, episodic television. TNA got a bump in ratings when Hogan showed up and they moved to monday nights. However the show really sucked and the viewership dropped again. You cannot slow build or take strikes when you're going up against a giant. Every single time you swing, it has to be for the fences and the ball better go out of the park. Damn near every single minute or every single episode has to be attention holding and compelling. If not, the average fan will turn right back to watching the known entity.

5) The person/entity who invested the money to get the company up and running needs to be realistic about the cost and how long it will take for them to make a real return. They could spend a half billion dollars and take a decade to recoup just the costs. However, if it were profitable, then in the long term, it would have been worth it. Even Panda didn't understand just how much it truly costs to tour, pay top level talent, etc. They were out $30-$50 million at one point and were surprised. WCW lost that on just talent every year let alone arena costs, production costs, etc.

6) You'd need an out of this world advertising budget. I'm talking Super Bowl ads, prime time spots all over broadcast television. Spot after spot after spot. You could not over-saturate if you tried. I think I've seen maybe a half dozen ads for TNA not on Spike, and maybe a couple dozen WWE ads not on an affiliated network in the last 5 years or so. You want real market penetration, you got to place ads where people are. Youtube, Hulu, walking dead, NFL games, world series, final four, the biggest shows every week.

But hell for the amount of money/effort we're talking about, you could start a huge tech company, or a minor league football company and have a much higher chance of success. The XFL cost less than $100 million to start and it damn near worked. Throwing $500 million to a billion at it might give a viable alternative to college football players who would rather get paid to play cutting into the NCAA's $8 billion a year market.

Could it work? Sure. However Can/Could only denotes the ability to do something. The world "could" blow up tomorrow. It's just not very probable.
 
You're over rating punk. I'm an enormous Punk fan too. Also, the WWE is so rich it's almost gross. They are so much richer than the next closest wrestling company that I'm surprised Congress hasn't stepped in. People don't realize just how massive they are.

Another thing, WWE's competition isn't really other wrestling companies, it's everything else in the entertainment industry. We need to stop acting like "WWE will get better with competition" and "WWE has no competition" because it's bullshit. USA doesn't care that WWE beat TNA in the ratings. They want them to beat everyone.
 
Congress doesn't have to step in. WWE is a legal monopoly. No different than the NFL, MLB, or NBA.
 
you really think cm punk single handly create a new company. No. He may join another company and make some money. That company gets some merchendise sale and some number of viewers like jeff hardy in tna.

But wwe can easily make another fan favorite stars. So its wont affect the product.
 
you really think cm punk single handly create a new company. No. He may join another company and make some money. That company gets some merchendise sale and some number of viewers like jeff hardy in tna.

But wwe can easily make another fan favorite stars. So its wont affect the product.

the only thing they handle now is how to cool the wwe universe. In spoiler they mention at nxt taping fans heavily chanting cm punk name. Imagine how it affects this week raw. The only Solution is vince solved the problem and make punk to come back to wwe and leave in good terms.
 
In spoiler they mention at nxt taping fans heavily chanting cm punk name. Imagine how it affects this week raw.

Oh god, I can see it now. Some of the same people who claim that this is all a work will also come on here and preach about how the fans are being disrespectful to the current performers by "hijacking the show" and chanting the name of someone who walked out on the company.
 
Wrestling is in a massive downswing. It's not just in America, either. Plus, Ring of Honor tried filling that niche, and they're barely on life support right now. What makes you think yet another wrestling promotion is going to work out?

Punk is big, but not big enough to carry a fledgling company. In Japan, it took Misawa, Kobashi, and Kawada, three of the biggest stars Japan has had since Rikidozan, to form NOAH in a massive exodus from All Japan. And once Misawa died, Kawada retired, and Kobashi beat cancer, NOAH just didn't have it anymore. They've been on a death spiral ever since Misawa's death. Plus, they were never able to break New Japan's hold on Japan anyway.

And the OP thinks CM Punk is enough to build a company around? If three of the industry's biggest names couldn't do it in Japan of all places, why would CM Punk be able to do it in America, where the wrestling industry is on a huge downturn?
 

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