TNA top Wrestling Company

[ScruffDog]

This is not an opinion this is a Fact.

WWE publicist sent an email to a web site that called the WWE a Wrestling Company, and here's what is said.

"We are no longer a wrestling company but rather a global entertainment company with a movie studio, international licensing deals, publisher of three magazines, consumer good distributor and more." "we don't do wrestling events. They're entertainments. And we don't call them wrestlers. They're superstars and divas."

So now TNA is the Top Wrestling Company, and I thought I would never see the day.

I can't believe that the WWE would send a statement like this. What could the possible benefits be?

The publicist is right, they are a global entertainment company, but their entertainment is wrestling. You can dress yourself up all you want, but in the end the WWE is still a Wrestling Company

So what do you guys think of this?

 

[Calderownz]

I think it's ridiculous. Obviously.

Nonetheless, I do slightly hate that WWE tries to distance themselves from their bread and butter. They make their money off of wrestling. Certainly not off of movies. Either way, everyone knows what it is.

 

[GI Cake]

WWE Public Relations is attempting to "Have the cake, and eat it" policy. WWE doesn't want to base it's fame and image on storylines and scripted events of violence. But yet times like the Attitude Era gave the WWE the power to rise above WCW and make it the billion dollar company it is. For the WWE public Relations to go out and say "We are no longer a wrestling company" when currently they dominate and have a choke hold on the market is a spit in the face of the fans.

But to call TNA the top "Wrestling company" is a bit insane to say the least. Majority of the storylines feel mashed together and not strongly thought out. But in terms of ratings and sales, TNA could say it is better than companies like ROH...

 

[Davi323]

Yep. The WWE calling itself an entertainment company is to generate more mainstream appeal. Do they make movies? Yep. Do they publish 3 magazines? Yep. They even produce CDs and DVDs every now and then...but, they are a wrestling company. errr...sports entertainment company.

But, then again, technically TNA is a sports entertainment company too. They haven't done movies, but they produce DVDs like the WWE, they have been involved with making video games like the WWE, they produce memorabilia and collectibles like the WWE as well.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Actually i would call companies like Ring of Honor, Dragon Gate USA, Evolve the best wrestling companies out there, TNA is an utter disaster.

Your refering to TNA as the top wrestling company by default, If that is your best arguement in regards to why TNA is the best wrestling company out there than i feel really sorry for TNA.

The company has had little to no wrestling on television, PPVs, and storylines have been used to fill the egos of the old timers the company hires on staff, In order for TNA to become the best they need to allow the talent to do the one thing that braught the company to the dance and thats actually wrestle.

Whats the point of having guys like AJ styles, Beer Money, Kazarian on the roster if they arent going to be used, whats the point of having the best roster out there if they arent going to be allowed to actually do what they are being paid to do and thats wrestle.

TNA is by far one of the worst wrestling companies out there, and your arguement has proven that.

 

[Freddy4190]

I think it's stupid, but it doesn't surprise me any. To completely deny they're a wrestling company is absolutely ignorant. Haha, really? World Wrestling Entertainment. The focal point being WRESTLING! I get that they do entertainment as well; movies, music, etc. Their main thing is wrestling though. I find that whole statement to be just dumb on the WWE's part, and to be fair. It wouldn't surprise me to hear TNA brag about being the #1 Wrestling Company or mention something about WWE not being a wrestling company. Haha

 

[Decarow]

Stop playing to semantics here. WWE and TNA are both in sports entertainment. If they were a pure wrestling company, they'd only have wrestling. But both of these company offer so much more than wrestling.

TNA doesn't have "wrestlers" either. They have superstars and knockouts.

TNA doesn't even have the word Wrestling in their title. They are "action". Idk if they even claim to be a wrestling company.

 

[Lucha-Libre is wrestling]

Stop playing to semantics here. WWE and TNA are both in sports entertainment. If they were a pure wrestling company, they'd only have wrestling. But both of these company offer so much more than wrestling.

TNA doesn't have "wrestlers" either. They have superstars and knockouts.

TNA doesn't even have the word Wrestling in their title. They are "action". Idk if they even claim to be a wrestling company.

1. Your right on both WWE & TNA being Sport Entertainment.
2. Your wrong on TNA belt not saying wrestling on it. Its right under TNA in caps " WRESTLING" but it doesn't say World.
3. WWE Big Gold, The one edge has on SD says " World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion.''
4. The people we see on WWE and TNA are Performers with the title of superstars and Divas or KO that just happen to wrestle in a wrestling ring.
To be honest I don't care what they both want to call themselves as long as the perform on Monday's, Thursday's, Friday's and do their PPV's, I'm still going to watch since I been doing since 1978. I never been a Rock fan but he is right when he says " It doesn't matter, what your name is."

 

[thedukeofpearls]

TNA has a long way to go before I'd ever consider it a top wrestling company.
Sure, on one hand, many wrestlers get much more opportunity (but moreso, if they're an ex-wwe wrestler), but I'm not impressed with TNA as a company being that they're not willing to build wrestlers the right way.(other than Styles, Daniels etc)

I do see better wrestling on TNA...

 

[Chrome]

LOL whats funny and ironic about all this is that the spokesperson says that they are not a Wrestling company yet they have the the word ..

world WRESTLING entertainment as what WWE stands for??

lol this is all horse shit LOL

 

[Rayne]

I'll take "Threads That Don't Matter" for 400, Alex.

There is a longstanding and well known social bias against professional wrestling. Suggesting to someone that's never followed wrestling that they invest their money in the WWE is tantamount to saying you should invest your money in jacks and nickel candy. "The WWF" (using the old initials to indicate public perception) is a bunch of oiled up men in their underwear on 'roids.

It's all a matter of perception- people would much rather invest in a media company that produces weekly, episodic television and specializes in live events, then they would invest in a company that does professional wrestling. The semantic difference isn't intended for you, the wrestling fan, but for the investor.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Yeah yeah, people can play with semantics and all the little word games they like but the simple fact of the matter is that WWE will always be seen primarily as a wrestling company. There's no way around that and it's idiotic for Vince or anyone else in the WWE brass to believe otherwise.

As for TNA being the top wrestling company, I'd laugh if TNA wasn't so pityful at the moment. As of right now, TNA has damn near nothing going for it. Even TNA's tag team scene is weaker than it's ever been as it really has only two good teams on the roster, one of which has been MIA since one of it's members broke his collarbone.

So yeah, I don't think anyone except the most devoted, die hard hardcore TNA marks could honestly say that to someone with a straight face at this point.

 

[ABMorales787]

"Hey! World Wrestling Entertainment is not a wrestling company! It's Sport Entertainment. Please refer to it as such".​

And people wonder why wrestling get's ridiculed? I'd mock an organization too if it ran on oxymoron lane the way WWE does. Why is Vinnie so insistent with this? Wrestling is what's making him millions. Why in the blue fuck shove that fact aside? For mainstream appeal? Moronic statements that sum up with my little "quote" above just make it worse. Accept who you are run with it. It worked in the 80's and the 90's. But how's it working now?

Yep. The WWE calling itself an entertainment company is to generate more mainstream appeal. Do they make movies? Yep. Do they publish 3 magazines? Yep. They even produce CDs and DVDs every now and then...but, they are a wrestling company. errr...sports entertainment company.

But, then again, technically TNA is a sports entertainment company too. They haven't done movies, but they produce DVDs like the WWE, they have been involved with making video games like the WWE, they produce memorabilia and collectibles like the WWE as well.

Then I guess there's no such thing as wrestling more. I mean ROH, CHIKARA and pretty much any company that doesn't work an open yard basketball course must be a sports entertainment fed seeing how they all release DVD's.

Actually i would call companies like Ring of Honor, Dragon Gate USA, Evolve the best wrestling companies out there, TNA is an utter disaster.

Really? I see TNA on my TV. Not ROH or Dragon Gate. ROH can't even keep it's TV deal straight from what I've heard.

Your refering to TNA as the top wrestling company by default, If that is your best arguement in regards to why TNA is the best wrestling company out there than i feel really sorry for TNA.

Really? The way you say it, it sound's more like you should feel sorry for the indies. You make TNA sound so little, yet it dwarfs the other companies. Are use sure it's by default?

The company has had little to no wrestling on television, PPVs, and storylines have been used to fill the egos of the old timers the company hires on staff, In order for TNA to become the best they need to allow the talent to do the one thing that braught the company to the dance and thats actually wrestle.

Whats the point of having guys like AJ styles, Beer Money, Kazarian on the roster if they arent going to be used, whats the point of having the best roster out there if they arent going to be allowed to actually do what they are being paid to do and thats wrestle.

Hmm.... A nice 20 in my ass pocket is telling me you haven't been paying attention to TNA programming.

TNA is by far one of the worst wrestling companies out there, and your arguement has proven that.

Yet they're the one with the TV deal not named WWE, they are the one's with PPV via cable companies and not internet pay services, they are the ones who attract the higher talent, they are one's expanding globally. Hmm... Something ain't clicking here. How's it worse than the other companies I barely even hear about?

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

As a fan of professional wrestling, this bothers me a bit. I'm not a WWE mark, I'm not a TNA mark, I wasn't a WCW or ECW mark. I'm a fan of wrestling in general, and this move WWE is making to distance itself from the wrestling title is ridiculous.

It's not the end of the world, but it definitely bothers me. If it weren't for wrestling, WWE wouldn't have the opportunity to make shitty movies and sell idiotic magazines. They are alienating what makes them money, and it stinks. Will it hurt the WWE? No, because it's still a wrestling show, and there isn't a strong alternative.

I don't care if it make sense, business-wise. I'm sure we have several guys around here who will say we're being stupid, it's great for business, etc. I don't care, I'm being selfish. I'm a fan of pro wrestling, not sports entertainment. Good in-ring action and dramatic storylines make wrestling what it is. Not all of that combined with terrible movies and t-shirts. Sorry, just the way I feel about it.

 

[Jason Scene]

I don't see the issue with WWE stating they aren't a wrestling company. If that's what they want to unaffiliate themselves from due to a poor history, then let them. It's good for business.

As for the "TNA top wrestling company" title, all I can post for that is

Ring of Honor is the best wrestling company in North America. If it had the money, production and storylines of the WWE as well as the talent, and WWE refered to themselves as a wrestling company, ROH would be known obviously as the best wrestling company in North America.

TNA has a match a month of ROH's level, hence, ROH is the better wrestling company in America.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

"Hey! World Wrestling Entertainment is not a wrestling company! It's Sport Entertainment. Please refer to it as such".​

And people wonder why wrestling get's ridiculed? I'd mock an organization too if it ran on oxymoron lane the way WWE does. Why is Vinnie so insistent with this? Wrestling is what's making him millions. Why in the blue fuck shove that fact aside? For mainstream appeal? Moronic statements that sum up with my little "quote" above just make it worse. Accept who you are run with it. It worked in the 80's and the 90's. But how's it working now?

Mcmahon wants the WWE to remain a media company that deals with different sides of entertainment from Film, Television, and live entertainment, they have strived for years to maintain the status que but to also break away from the media's opinion of the organisation as a whole, to the upper brass its all about money, and in order to make it they need to consider themselves alot more than a wrestling company, sad but true.

Then I guess there's no such thing as wrestling more. I mean ROH, CHIKARA and pretty much any company that doesn't work an open yard basketball course must be a sports entertainment fed seeing how they all release DVD's.

No because they brand themselves as wrestling companies, their market is diehard wrestling fans, not casual fans who go to see WWE shows, they caterer to a rather smaller audiance who know that they are around.

Really? I see TNA on my TV. Not ROH or Dragon Gate. ROH can't even keep it's TV deal straight from what I've heard.

Just because you see something doesn't make it any good, reality television is beating out scripted media inregards to ratings doesn't mean that shows like jersey shore should win an emey for best drama does it?.

The only reason TNA has survived in its current state is because of the money being plowed into it from panda energy, Ring Of Honor, Dragon Gate and other wrestling promotions in the independants do not have that advantage and i actually find their products more of a wrestling alternative to the WWE than TNA's cluster f**k.

Really? The way you say it, it sound's more like you should feel sorry for the indies. You make TNA sound so little, yet it dwarfs the other companies. Are use sure it's by default?

The company is little, they dont draw as much as the WWE, hell most of their PPV buys are rather marginal compared to Ring Of Honor that has a consitant fanbase on IPPV, If i had a big financial backer i could probably get a wrestling promotion on Ondemand PPV also, doesnt mean it would be any good.

Hmm.... A nice 20 in my ass pocket is telling me you haven't been paying attention to TNA programming.

Actually i've been watching it consistantly, They made a mockery out of their Television championship, put a guy on drug charges as their maineventer who ended up proving why he should have never held the damn belt in the first place, they have a television champion who won the title on his first night out of the tag team division, their womens tag titles are a joke, should i continue?.

Yet they're the one with the TV deal not named WWE, they are the one's with PPV via cable companies and not internet pay services, they are the ones who attract the higher talent, they are one's expanding globally. Hmm... Something ain't clicking here. How's it worse than the other companies I barely even hear about?

Higher talent?, you mean the guys they dont utilise at all?, and just because they are on PPV doesnt make them on par with the WWE or any other promotion, have you seen the buyrates? let me show you

According to the latest issue of Figure Four Weekly, the average number of buys per TNA Wrestling pay-per-view event is approximately 17,000 in North America.

By comparison, the average TNA Wrestling pay-per-view event garnered approximately 26,500 North American buys in 2007, according to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

TNA has a huge talent pool and talents established from WWE, WCW and the companies ppv's are actually underperforming compared to 2007?, i'll reiterate a tv show and PPV's does not make a wrestling company.

 

[ABMorales787]

Mcmahon wants the WWE to remain a media company that deals with different sides of entertainment from Film, Television, and live entertainment, they have strived for years to maintain the status que but to also break away from the media's opinion of the organisation as a whole, to the upper brass its all about money, and in order to make it they need to consider themselves alot more than a wrestling company, sad but true.

Yes, I get that it's more than a wrestling company. It does it's share of other ventures. But lets face it, when they opened XFL, those were football players. When they opened Smackdown! Records and signed Neurotica, that was a rock band. They now have WWE Studios for movies and use wrestlers for their movies. They pluck their wrestlers and place them there. Their full-time job is to wrestle and that is WWE's main source of revenue. Their core product is wrestling. Obvious assumption when discussing said company is "this is a wrestling company". Why get butt hurt over it? It's what you are. It would be like a homosexual a man. He comes up to you and tells you to apologize for calling him by what he appears. "No sir, I am not a man, I am a homsexual". He's still a man. Sexual affiliation aside. No offense to any homosexual.

No because they brand themselves as wrestling companies, their market is diehard wrestling fans, not casual fans who go to see WWE shows, they caterer to a rather smaller audiance who know that they are around.

And what do casual wrestling fans watch? Casual wrestling? Sports entertainment? A wrestling fan is a wrestling fan. Bottomline. You corner that fan, that means you're a wrestling company. Broad or hardcore. We're talking about people in general. Not age groups. Every company's objective is to expand. Not play for the same 300 people every day. TNA want's to expand, so does ROH. WCW wasn't a wrestling company? Yes it was. What was it attracting? Fan's. Casual, hardcore, who cares. Fans are fans regardless.

Just because you see something doesn't make it any good, reality television is beating out scripted media inregards to ratings doesn't mean that shows like jersey shore should win an emey for best drama does it?.

I hate reality TV from the bottom of my heart and I would gladly punch the living fuck out of any reality TV star I would encounter. But it can't be denied how huge of a success they are. I absolutely hate to death the rapper Pitbull. He's nothing but a parasite. Meanwhile, I like the band Powerglove. They are a unique heavy metal band. But while they sit in the small time, despite how good I feel they are, that piece of shit, Pitbull is making loads of money despite the mediocrity that is his singing and ability to latch on to larger musicians. Who's the better one? Why the more successful one would be the answer, much to my displeasure.

The only reason TNA has survived in its current state is because of the money being plowed into it from panda energy, Ring Of Honor, Dragon Gate and other wrestling promotions in the independants do not have that advantage and i actually find their products more of a wrestling alternative to the WWE than TNA's cluster f**k.

Really? So what? They pulled those tapings in Fayetteville out of their asses or something? And I find your definition of "alternative" pretty funny. I get it, their product is of a different variety. But TNA is an alternative to WWE no matter how you spin it simply because it isn't WWE. I don't see a dude wearing street clothes beating up evil people. I don't see an overtanned piece of eye candy punting other evil people. I see four dudes fighting old guys, a mexican with a really bad accent and a bunch of crazy bitches. See? Not the same.

The company is little, they dont draw as much as the WWE, hell most of their PPV buys are rather marginal compared to Ring Of Honor that has a consitant fanbase on IPPV, If i had a big financial backer i could probably get a wrestling promotion on Ondemand PPV also, doesnt mean it would be any good.

So TNA isn't consistent? Despite it's abundant "failures" the fact that their ratings are either straight (1.1's -1.3's) or growing a bit says it's just as consistent as any other company. If TNA's buyrates were an issue, why keep making more? Because there are winnings to it.

Actually i've been watching it consistantly, They made a mockery out of their Television championship, put a guy on drug charges as their maineventer who ended up proving why he should have never held the damn belt in the first place, they have a television champion who won the title on his first night out of the tag team division, their womens tag titles are a joke, should i continue?.

And still having consistent ratings. It would seem an average 1.8 mill just simply don't care what you think and watch regardless. Is that inconsistent?

Higher talent?, you mean the guys they dont utilise at all?, and just because they are on PPV doesnt make them on par with the WWE or any other promotion, have you seen the buyrates? let me show you


TNA has a huge talent pool and talents established from WWE, WCW and the companies ppv's are actually underperforming compared to 2007?, i'll reiterate a tv show and PPV's does not make a wrestling company.

And exactly where are you pulling there PPV numbers from? TNA is privately owned. They don't release buyrates. Dirtsheets have been proven to be wrong on so many occasions and just toss out the near obvious and pass it out as groundbreaking news. They are not a solid source. Why should I take their word that TNA isn't making money when they are signing talent to extended contracts, attempting to take their shows permanently on the road and hold a consistent fanbase? Higher talent? Yeah. Bet your ass, higher talent? I don't see Eddie Edwards on Country Music Videos. I don't see Davey Richards on A&E. I don't see Delirious running a show with midgets.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Yes, I get that it's more than a wrestling company. It does it's share of other ventures. But lets face it, when they opened XFL, those were football players. When they opened Smackdown! Records and signed Neurotica, that was a rock band. They now have WWE Studios for movies and use wrestlers for their movies. They pluck their wrestlers and place them there. Their full-time job is to wrestle and that is WWE's main source of revenue. Their core product is wrestling. Obvious assumption when discussing said company is "this is a wrestling company". Why get butt hurt over it? It's what you are. It would be like a homosexual a man. He comes up to you and tells you to apologize for calling him by what he appears. "No sir, I am not a man, I am a homsexual". He's still a man. Sexual affiliation aside. No offense to any homosexual.

It may be the WWE'S main source of revenue but it still doesnt mean they are not an entertainment company, the Walt Disney brand are known for there entertainment realated theme parks, their television shows, films and other marketable material they are considered an entertainment company in general and a rather markatable brand thats why they are a billion dollar industry.

as for the WWE they attempt and sometimes fail in this regard but it doesnt stop them from trying to attain something bigger and better, hence the rebrand.

The companies foray into movies has made them money and once the channel goes online you'll find that they will drift more and more towards other media such as television, animation, and will continue to make films, comics and other source of merchandise much like disney has done.

if you called Walt Disney a cartoon studio people would laugh at your face because they are so much more now.

And what do casual wrestling fans watch? Casual wrestling? Sports entertainment? A wrestling fan is a wrestling fan. Bottomline. You corner that fan, that means you're a wrestling company. Broad or hardcore. We're talking about people in general. Not age groups. Every company's objective is to expand. Not play for the same 300 people every day. TNA want's to expand, so does ROH. WCW wasn't a wrestling company? Yes it was. What was it attracting? Fan's. Casual, hardcore, who cares. Fans are fans regardless.

No they are not, a casual fan will tune in if their is something good going on, take their kids to see a wwe show now and then but will not acknowledge other brands, the guys who watch Ring of Honor, Dragongate and other indie companies are looking for people that will consitantly buy their tickets, if Ring Of Honor attempted to do what the WWE is doing they would fail, same as TNA is doing right now!.

If TNA continue down the WCW route they will surely suffer the same fate.

I hate reality TV from the bottom of my heart and I would gladly punch the living fuck out of any reality TV star I would encounter. But it can't be denied how huge of a success they are. I absolutely hate to death the rapper Pitbull. He's nothing but a parasite. Meanwhile, I like the band Powerglove. They are a unique heavy metal band. But while they sit in the small time, despite how good I feel they are, that piece of shit, Pitbull is making loads of money despite the mediocrity that is his singing and ability to latch on to larger musicians. Who's the better one? Why the more successful one would be the answer, much to my displeasure.

TNA is not sucessful by any means, the only reason they still operate is because of the fact they have a huge financial backer, thats one of the sole reasons wcw went bust because Warner got tired of the company hemiraging money just like TNA is doing at this moment in time.

Really? So what? They pulled those tapings in Fayetteville out of their asses or something? And I find your definition of "alternative" pretty funny. I get it, their product is of a different variety. But TNA is an alternative to WWE no matter how you spin it simply because it isn't WWE. I don't see a dude wearing street clothes beating up evil people. I don't see an overtanned piece of eye candy punting other evil people. I see four dudes fighting old guys, a mexican with a really bad accent and a bunch of crazy bitches. See? Not the same.

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as far as im concerned TNA has yet to differentiate itself from the WWE and the one reasons for that is is because of poor booking, the company has a wealth of talent and yet attempts to use the WWE as a basis in order to create a similar kind of revenue stream, if they actually stop doing this than maybe they will be looked upon as a true alternative instead of a bad copy.

So TNA isn't consistent? Despite it's abundant "failures" the fact that their ratings are either straight (1.1's -1.3's) or growing a bit says it's just as consistent as any other company. If TNA's buyrates were an issue, why keep making more? Because there are winnings to it.

No, because Dixie wants to keep playing with her little toy, the company is considerably inconsistant, from the pope turning face, then heel, than face again, samoa joes constant turns, suicide coming, going than coming again, the constant changing hands of the TNA tv title that is rarely being defended, do you understand where i'm coming from here or are you going to blindly object again?.

And still having consistent ratings. It would seem an average 1.8 mill just simply don't care what you think and watch regardless. Is that inconsistent?

But shouldn't their ratings have increased with the slew of uppercard WWE talent that they are purchasing, Hogan at one point was promising 3.0's similar to Raw but yet there had been little to no gain at all.

And exactly where are you pulling there PPV numbers from? TNA is privately owned. They don't release buyrates. Dirtsheets have been proven to be wrong on so many occasions and just toss out the near obvious and pass it out as groundbreaking news. They are not a solid source. Why should I take their word that TNA isn't making money when they are signing talent to extended contracts, attempting to take their shows permanently on the road and hold a consistent fanbase? Higher talent? Yeah. Bet your ass, higher talent? I don't see Eddie Edwards on Country Music Videos. I don't see Davey Richards on A&E. I don't see Delirious running a show with midgets.

The reason they don't publish their numbers is because they are not pulling in the WWE numbers, every time their is a small jump in ratings Dixie is publishing reports, so why not tout the sucess of their ppv's? maybe because they have had little sucess since Hogan and Hardys involvement with the company.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Why the hell are people all of a sudden so shocked about this? For the longest time Vince McMahon has said over and over "We are not in the wrestling business, we're in the sports entertainment business." It's been that way for AT LEAST 20 years now, so why all of a sudden is this such a shocker or something to be mad about.

The WWE ISN'T a pro-wrestling company... they're a soap opera with excellently planned fight scenes. They're a weekly action tv show with drama and comedy mixed into it. The WWE hasn't been wrestling for years. Sure, they may look like it, but when it comes down to it WWE's more promo than matches which means they're more entertainment than wrestling.

Seriously people, this stuff isn't even NEWS it's old... like 20 years old.

 

[ABMorales787]

It may be the WWE'S main source of revenue but it still doesnt mean they are not an entertainment company, the Walt Disney brand are known for there entertainment realated theme parks, their television shows, films and other marketable material they are considered an entertainment company in general and a rather markatable brand thats why they are a billion dollar industry.

as for the WWE they attempt and sometimes fail in this regard but it doesnt stop them from trying to attain something bigger and better, hence the rebrand.

The companies foray into movies has made them money and once the channel goes online you'll find that they will drift more and more towards other media such as television, animation, and will continue to make films, comics and other source of merchandise much like disney has done.

if you called Walt Disney a cartoon studio people would laugh at your face because they are so much more now.

Difference between Disney and WWE? Disney is a production company. They are expanding in their own territory. Not only that, but they have expanded for decades. WWE is trying to expand now in these last 10 years. With abrupt failure after failure. WWE still heavily rely on it's wrestlers for it's schemes. The proof is in it's only "successful" outside venture, WWE Films. Starring, WWE wrestlers. Vince can spin it however he wants, but his "superstars" wrestle. No matter what. Those are his assetts, therefor it's a wrestling company. When I see WWE movies not starring WWE wrestlers or cartoons with no WWE wrestlers voicing or music not made specifically for WWE TV, and drop "World Wrestling Entertainment" as their name, I'll change my opinion. But until then, I'll just laugh with the rest of the media.

No they are not, a casual fan will tune in if their is something good going on, take their kids to see a wwe show now and then but will not acknowledge other brands, the guys who watch Ring of Honor, Dragongate and other indie companies are looking for people that will consitantly buy their tickets, if Ring Of Honor attempted to do what the WWE is doing they would fail, same as TNA is doing right now!.

TNA's failing? Shit really? Why is the company growing then? People still buy more tickets to TNA than ROH.

If TNA continue down the WCW route they will surely suffer the same fate.

Shouldn't they be on the same lane first? Quit kidding yourself. When WCW was dying, people were leaving, ratings plummeted and wrestlers controlled the company. Why am I seeing the opposite with TNA?

TNA is not sucessful by any means, the only reason they still operate is because of the fact they have a huge financial backer, thats one of the sole reasons wcw went bust because Warner got tired of the company hemiraging money just like TNA is doing at this moment in time.

Wow. Really? Huge financial backer? If they had a huge financial backer, they wouldn't be in the Impact Zone. You base yourself on popular opinion instead of looking at facts. TNA has been up for 9 years. Since then they've become the U.S. second biggest wrestling company (#1 if you're following the idiotic mantra McMahon follows) have secured talent that played major roles in WWE in past and present times and are doing it with the help of a small energy drink company. As of now, they've attempted to move out of Orlando filming PPV's outside back in '08, but had issues filling the venues. They're trying again now and were successful at the Fayetteville, North Carolina, filling the arena. But somehow, they are failing. Yeah, sure. Why do you ignore the facts that stare you in the face?

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Wow. TNA ribs WWE and it's fans after they believed Sting was coming to WWE. Big deal.

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You're just laughable. Parodies get you butthurt?

as far as im concerned TNA has yet to differentiate itself from the WWE and the one reasons for that is is because of poor booking, the company has a wealth of talent and yet attempts to use the WWE as a basis in order to create a similar kind of revenue stream, if they actually stop doing this than maybe they will be looked upon as a true alternative instead of a bad copy.

The fact that there is a split wrestling fanbase so predominant in this forum obviously shows that TNA is in fact an alternative to WWE regardless of it's "bad booking". What they are doing is no different than what any company would do to be successful. If it were a bad WWE copy, we would see them being PG as well. We would see them trying to call themselves "sports entertainment, we are not wrestling even if our name has wrestling in it". You claim WWE is a successful expanding media circuit and then dismiss TNA for marginally attempting to do the same. Do you plan to keep rambling in 8's?

No, because Dixie wants to keep playing with her little toy, the company is considerably inconsistant, from the pope turning face, then heel, than face again, samoa joes constant turns, suicide coming, going than coming again, the constant changing hands of the TNA tv title that is rarely being defended, do you understand where i'm coming from here or are you going to blindly object again?.

Blindly? I've given a straight answer to you each and every single reply and you call me blind?

While we're talking about stupid booking? How about those U.S. and I.C. titles? Great build for their matches heading into SportEntertainmentMania, huh? Glad to see Sheamus be such a huge monster in the main... Oh wait. Well, there's always Wade Barrett. Main eventing so many PPV's last year in his rookie year. He must have a high place on the card. Oh wait? How about The Undertaker vs Triple H in their rematch first encounter EVER.

Stop kidding yourself. Both companies have their faults. The same way both their fanbases are consistent but not growing much.

But shouldn't their ratings have increased with the slew of uppercard WWE talent that they are purchasing, Hogan at one point was promising 3.0's similar to Raw but yet there had been little to no gain at all.

Shouldn't WWE's rating hit higher than their typical 3.3's after so many huge returns? Yeah, Hogan was pretty damn wrong. But is that really your testimony as to why TNA is supposedly gonna crumble? Michael Cole claims every PPV was the greatest ever. TNA may not be in those 3 ratings but they have expanded with many ventures like TNA's Video Vault, Reaction, the Xplosion revamp, securing wrestlers to longer contracts, attempting to go on the road, and such. You keep saying TNA is going down, but I see them going up.






The reason they don't publish their numbers is because they are not pulling in the WWE numbers, every time their is a small jump in ratings Dixie is publishing reports, so why not tout the sucess of their ppv's? maybe because they have had little sucess since Hogan and Hardys involvement with the company.

 

[Kenny Powers]

WWE really hasn't thought of themselves as a pro wrestling company for quite a while now. I don't even think they thought of themselves as pro wrestling in the 80's. Its always been sports entertainment. They are the #1 wrestling company, no matter what you call them. I can't with straight face call TNA the top pro wrestling company. TNA has ventured into more sports entertainment then pro wrestling.

As far as Pure Wrestling goes, ROH, Dragon Gate, Chikara, and others are on the top of the list. I haven't watched their programs, only a little bit of ROH on HDNET. TNA is arguably the #2 wrestling company even if they have little wrestling. WWE is still #1 though which won't change. If someone wants pure wrestling like the old NWA days though, the Indies are your best bet.

 

[itssoeasy123]

Um, WWE has never been a wrestling company, just like pro-wrestling, whether it be WWE, TNA, ECW, WCW, ROH, are all not real wrestling. If you have promo's, pre-determined matches and storylines, your part of sports-entertainment.

I don't see how this is supposed to be a shock. Vince McMahon said in his E60 interview that "promoter's have been trying to promote this as a real sport, it never has been." And, to call him wrong would, when he own's a billion dollar company, would just be dumb on so many level's.

It's not wrestling, it's a soap opera with violence. It's got people playing character's, doing promo's, storylines. It's been like this since 1980.

And to say TNA is the top wrestling company is just so hilarous. TNA are not even in the same league at WWE right now it's laughable. WWE is 2011, TNA is 1997.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Difference between Disney and WWE? Disney is a production company. They are expanding in their own territory. Not only that, but they have expanded for decades. WWE is trying to expand now in these last 10 years. With abrupt failure after failure. WWE still heavily rely on it's wrestlers for it's schemes. The proof is in it's only "successful" outside venture, WWE Films. Starring, WWE wrestlers. Vince can spin it however he wants, but his "superstars" wrestle. No matter what. Those are his assetts, therefor it's a wrestling company. When I see WWE movies not starring WWE wrestlers or cartoons with no WWE wrestlers voicing or music not made specifically for WWE TV, and drop "World Wrestling Entertainment" as their name, I'll change my opinion. But until then, I'll just laugh with the rest of the media.

Thats why WWE stock is marked as one of the safest stocks to invest in, thats not stated by JBL its actually stated on CNN they referred to it as a company of growth and opportunity and something people are plying money into even though businesses are being hit hard by the current climate.

TNA's failing? Shit really? Why is the company growing then? People still buy more tickets to TNA than ROH.

No, people have been let in to TNA impact for free, they give their tickets away to paying customers at universal.

Shouldn't they be on the same lane first? Quit kidding yourself. When WCW was dying, people were leaving, ratings plummeted and wrestlers controlled the company. Why am I seeing the opposite with TNA?

Wrong, WCW where still hitting better ratings than TNA is today, there was still alot of value left in the product, the reason why the company went out of business is because Warner wanted done with it and sold it to vince even though a private investment company spearheaded by bischoff offered them a better deal.

Wow. Really? Huge financial backer? If they had a huge financial backer, they wouldn't be in the Impact Zone. You base yourself on popular opinion instead of looking at facts.

In October 2002, Panda Energy purchased a controlling interest (72%) of the Nashville, Tennessee-based professional wrestling promotion Total Nonstop Action Wrestling from founder and CEO Jerry Jarrett.[citation needed] The seemingly unlikely acquisition came about after Dixie Carter, the daughter of Robert W. Carter and a TNA publicist, contacted her father and persuaded him to purchase the company (which was facing bankruptcy after a major financial backer withdrew their support).
On October 31, 2002, Panda Energy created the limited liability company TNA Entertainment in order to administer TNA. While Jeff Jarrett, the former President of TNA, was appointed Vice President, the majority of other management positions were filled by former Panda executives. Chris Sobol, the Panda Manager of Business Development, was appointed Vice President of Operations, and Frank Dickerson (and later Kevin Day) was appointed chief executive officer, while Dixie Carter was made President.

Panda energy is a billion dollar company, they invest in environmental energy sources and alternative fuels, fact Dixie called daddy to buy her a wrestling company fact!!!.

TNA has been up for 9 years. Since then they've become the U.S. second biggest wrestling company (#1 if you're following the idiotic mantra McMahon follows) have secured talent that played major roles in WWE

drug users who didn't want to go to rehab and a guy that nearly re-injured randy after coming back from stalled push after stalled push due to his own injuries isnt securing major talent, yes these guys did stuff in the past but now they are nothing but former shells of themselves, and they have done nothing to elevate the ratings in the company at all.

in past and present times and are doing it with the help of a small energy drink company

see Panda energy....

As of now, they've attempted to move out of Orlando filming PPV's outside back in '08, but had issues filling the venues.

They have issues filling venuse?, maybe its because they dont do the clever strategy of giving tickets away....

They're trying again now and were successful at the Fayetteville, North Carolina, filling the arena. But somehow, they are failing. Yeah, sure. Why do you ignore the facts that stare you in the face?

I never ignored the fact that Hardy is a drug addict, that Hogan is using TNA for a paycheck and they are staring at me moreso than a pare of big boobs.

Wow. TNA ribs WWE and it's fans after they believed Sting was coming to WWE. Big deal.

Oh i get it, your a tna mark, now i understand why you believe the sun shines out of their backsides, bravo (slow claps)

Actually they ripped the video off inorder to be more like wwe, that my friend is what we call non original thinking also known as playjurism.

You're just laughable. Parodies get you butthurt?

Non-original material gets me annoyed because unlike you i actually used to love TNA before they attempted to be WWE ver 2.0.

but instead of actually working with the storylines they where developing with the talent they had they went to everyone in wrestling that made some sort of impact in hopes they could recreate that, and so far not so good.

The fact that there is a split wrestling fanbase so predominant in this forum obviously shows that TNA is in fact an alternative to WWE regardless of it's "bad booking". What they are doing is no different than what any company would do to be successful. If it were a bad WWE copy, we would see them being PG as well. We would see them trying to call themselves "sports entertainment, we are not wrestling even if our name has wrestling in it". You claim WWE is a successful expanding media circuit and then dismiss TNA for marginally attempting to do the same. Do you plan to keep rambling in 8's?

Copying isnt exactly attempting to do the same now is it?, and the split in this forum isn't more-so WWE vs TNA it's actually the realists vs the TNA marks, seriously if you took a step back and actually looked at the current product maybe you would actually see that the company that is supposed to be an alternative is introuble.

Blindly? I've given a straight answer to you each and every single reply and you call me blind?

You are blind, your a TNA mark, you look at everything as positive, you probably see this whole Jeff Hardy debacle as a positive, thats how blind you are.

While we're talking about stupid booking? How about those U.S. and I.C. titles? Great build for their matches heading into SportEntertainmentMania, huh? Glad to see Sheamus be such a huge monster in the main... Oh wait. Well, there's always Wade Barrett. Main eventing so many PPV's last year in his rookie year. He must have a high place on the card. Oh wait? How about The Undertaker vs Triple H in their rematch first encounter EVER.

I get frustrated with WWE booking also, but thats moreso for a WWE thread, not this one, were talking about TNA being number 1 by default

Stop kidding yourself. Both companies have their faults. The same way both their fanbases are consistent but not growing much.

TNA has a major fault, Vince Russo, the guy needs to be thrown out of the company and they need to bring In someone with a better mind for the business.

Shouldn't WWE's rating hit higher than their typical 3.3's after so many huge returns? Yeah, Hogan was pretty damn wrong. But is that really your testimony as to why TNA is supposedly gonna crumble?

When TNA'S ratings bypass smackdowns then we will talk about them actually becoming a threat.

Michael Cole claims every PPV was the greatest ever. TNA may not be in those 3 ratings but they have expanded with many ventures like TNA's Video Vault, Reaction, the Xplosion revamp, securing wrestlers to longer contracts, attempting to go on the road, and such. You keep saying TNA is going down, but I see them going up.

Reaction was cancelled after it's initial run, great concept but Spike had no faith in it, and securing wrestlers to longer contracts?, that isn't an achievement, that's just Dixie attempting to bring some sanity to the crappy promotion, TNA needs a fix, they need someone who has a better understanding to come in and clean the company up, Why not even bring Gabe Spolsky into the fold to actually do something with the company, you see all the guys who are on TNA's creative where great because they where under vince (with the exception of bischoff of course) each man made themselves a sucess due to vince's input, you can bitch about the WWE all you want but none of these men have proven of any value outside of the E.

The reason they don't publish their numbers is because they are not pulling in the WWE numbers, every time their is a small jump in ratings Dixie is publishing reports, so why not tout the sucess of their ppv's? maybe because they have had little sucess since Hogan and Hardys involvement with the company.

So their embaressed