Battleground 2015 LD

[Bernkastel]

I have to sort of agree with ******fuckboy here. Owens started as something special. Now, he's just another guy.

Is he though? Even if Owens won the title, wouldn't he just become "some other guy" when he lost it? If anything this story showed that Owens got a little too cocky and came up short. If he wants to win again he'll have to try a different approach, whether that be admitting his mistakes or letting his bitterness take him to a different state of mind. Either way it's some character development. And Owens would still be a threat to Cena regardless of losing.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I have to sort of agree with ******fuckboy here. Owens started as something special. Now, he's just another guy.

But sometimes you just have to be a little bit patient and let things develop. Hopefully his feud with Cena is over, at least for a while. And he can enter into some interesting feuds with other guys.

Cesaro. Rusev. Neville. Zayn. Baylor. Joe. The list goes on and on.

Generally speaking, when guys burst onto the scene and accomplish too much too soon, things don't always go well, so I'm not too distraught about Owens not becoming US Champion mere months after his main roster debut. Let's face it, a significant chunk of the WWE Universe has no idea who Kevin Steen is. I wouldn't if it weren't for wrestlezone. So seeing the "new guy" take out a Mount Rushmore guy for the U.S. title after just a few months would not necessarily be such a great idea. Making him look like an absolute beast, albeit in defeat, and letting him establish a WWE track record, now that works for me. Have him face Cena again a little farther down the road. For a bigger prize. And a different result.

To me, he hasn't looked like just another guy so far. And he won't as he continues to succeed on the grandest stage of them all.

 

[Nate DaMac]

But sometimes you just have to be a little bit patient and let things develop.

I am so tired of hearing this. We said the same thing when Cena beat Bray Wyatt over and over again. What happened? Bray became just another guy. What happened when Cena beat Rusev 3 times in a row? He's just another guy.

I had high hopes that they were finally about to put someone new on equal footing with Cena. Instead, his win looks like a fluke for the sake of keeping Cena strong. It's getting very old.

 

[Crocker]

I am so tired of hearing this. We said the same thing when Cena beat Bray Wyatt over and over again. What happened? Bray became just another guy. What happened when Cena beat Rusev 3 times in a row? He's just another guy.

I had high hopes that they were finally about to put someone new on equal footing with Cena. Instead, his win looks like a fluke for the sake of keeping Cena strong. It's getting very old.

Finally we are on the same page on something

 

[Nate DaMac]

Ugh.

 

[Bernkastel]

I am so tired of hearing this. We said the same thing when Cena beat Bray Wyatt over and over again. What happened? Bray became just another guy. What happened when Cena beat Rusev 3 times in a row? He's just another guy.

I had high hopes that they were finally about to put someone new on equal footing with Cena. Instead, his win looks like a fluke for the sake of keeping Cena strong. It's getting very old.

Bray Wyatt went on to feud with the damn Undertaker, as well as pretty much every other big star in the main event. He just scored a win over the guy that took Brock Lesnar to the limit. So not a good example. Rusev damn near made a fresh Cena tap out after going 20 minutes against Owens and Cesaro. Both of those men would be still be instant threats to Cena any day of the week regardless if Cena has beaten them in the past, as that's the point. Neither are "just some other guys."

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Let's see where Owens goes from here on. Although I feel he should've won it's what comes next that will determine if he's just another guy. I fear that it's exactly what will happen to Owens which is a real shame. Most guys that feud with Cena really show their inexperience and show they aren't ready for that level (like Ziggler) but it really sucks when guys like Cesaro get pushed aside when they prove they are in fact ready for that level but for whatever reason creative doesn't feel the same.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I am so tired of hearing this. We said the same thing when Cena beat Bray Wyatt over and over again. What happened? Bray became just another guy. What happened when Cena beat Rusev 3 times in a row? He's just another guy.

I had high hopes that they were finally about to put someone new on equal footing with Cena. Instead, his win looks like a fluke for the sake of keeping Cena strong. It's getting very old.

I hear what you are saying, but there's one fundamental problem with thought process. Please let's not compare Kevin Owens to Bray Wyatt. He's so much superior to Wyatt that it doesn't even merit discussion. Wyatt became "just another guy" because the same fact of the matter is, he isn't that good. He's become just another guy not because of Cena, but because he's simply not that interesting, at least not to me. Just a series of rambling, incoherent nonsensical promos that say nothing. Kevin Owens will surpass Wyatt because he is far better than him.

And Rusev became just another guy mostly due to his injury. Now that he is in the process of recovering, I fully expect to see him become a force again, especially if they reunite him with Lana as they should.

They shouldn't put a new guy on equal footing with the face of the company after just a couple of months, regardless of his ROH and other indy related pedigree. Let him earn his way up the card, as I have no doubt that he will.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Finally we are on the same page on something

Ugh.

I will be on the lookout in the obituaries for young males named Nate who committed suicide over their laptop at home in Independence, MO.

 

[Crocker]

Except WWE does have several new main eventers

Oh really? Lets break this down then.. Ambrose, Reigns, and Rollins, the so called future of the WWE. Reigns push has been halted due to crowd reactions and rushed booking, so i wouldn't call him a legit main eventer YET. Ambrose is CLEARLY not thought of highly by the higher ups, if he was he would be more protected, he is definitely not a main eventer yet. I'd say Rollins is a main eventer.. Sheamus is a flop, nobody seems to care about him and he isn't exactly best for business. Punk and Bryan were massively successful, but one quit, and one is on the verge of retirement due to neck injuries.

So, the only 3 LEGIT main eventers are Rollins, Bryan, and Punk. 3 main eventers in the span of 10 years. Not looking good man. If they continue booking Reigns well, which they are right now (but who knows they might fuck it up like they always do), then he will for sure be a huge draw. Ambrose I am skeptical about.. Cesaro's momentum was killed last year for god knows what. Wyatt's momentum also stalled from bad booking

and if I believed that I could do a better job than creative then I would be up in Stamford doing just that. Also blatant generalizations will get you nowhere.

I'm sure there are tons of people that are better singers than Justin Bieber, yet they cannot reach the same success as him. Doesn't mean that Bieber is better than them though

 

[klunderbunker]

Owens took a huge hit last night and the first win is looking more like a fluke every day. Since the win:

Lost to Cena
Lost to Balor
Lost to Cena again

That first win was huge, but he hasn't done anything significant since.

 

[Dave]

Maybe. But he is so over that it doesn't matter. Realistically, in this situation, Owens is the babyface and Cena is the heel. The fans will always like Owens since his debut.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Cena's merch sales took a hit after that first loss and they panicked. Sounding more and more like an irrational decision to have Owens lose. I said after the first loss to cena that this was the direction it was going

 

[Bernkastel]

Cena's merch sales took a hit after that first loss and they panicked. Sounding more and more like an irrational decision to have Owens lose. I said after the first loss to cena that this was the direction it was going

That's certainly one justification. Do you have a source for that?

 

[Dave]

Owens doesn't need to win again, also. Bray Wyatt has been set since his feud with Cena and he didn't even beat him at all. A feud with Cena really sets up people into the stratosphere. Owens will go on to beat multiple people with decent credibility and will be absolutely fine. If you don't think that the WWE has faith in Owens then you're crazy.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

I think management knows exactly what to do with Kevin Owens. Smarks just don't like repetitiveness. And for that they need to suck it up. You can never have too much gold.

If you're referring to multiple Owens/Cena matches yes you can. They've dipped in quality every time with basically the same spots.

 

[Bernkastel]

If you're referring to multiple Owens/Cena matches yes you can. They've dipped in quality every time with basically the same spots.

That's subjective. I would argue the opposite.

 

[Crocker]

Maybe. But he is so over that it doesn't matter. Realistically, in this situation, Owens is the babyface and Cena is the heel. The fans will always like Owens since his debut.

Yes owens will still have his smarky fans, but what about the casuals? They're just gonna view Owens as another Cena opponent; nothing special

 

[Bernkastel]

Yes owens will still have his smarky fans, but what about the casuals? They're just gonna view Owens as another Cena opponent; nothing special

That's not true in the slightest. It's the opposite actually.

 

[Crocker]

Owens doesn't need to win again, also. Bray Wyatt has been set since his feud with Cena and he didn't even beat him at all. A feud with Cena really sets up people into the stratosphere. Owens will go on to beat multiple people with decent credibility and will be absolutely fine. If you don't think that the WWE has faith in Owens then you're crazy.

Oh god we're reaching new levels of delusion here.. are you seriously saying that Wyatt is at the high position he is at because of the Cena feud? Owens will be fine, for sure. But he won't be the next "big thing" beacuse of 2 cnosecutive losses. They had a major opportunity to make him the next monster heel, but that opportunity is now lost.

 

[Dream]

That was a heel promo for taker

 

[Crocker]

That's not true in the slightest. It's the opposite actually.

Oh please.. the optimism from WWE apologists is getting as stale as Cena's character..

 

[Dream]

he is using the late 90s ministry of darkness video theme...or has he always???

 

[Bernkastel]

Oh please.. the optimism from WWE apologists is getting as stale as Cena's character..

whatever. Keep living in denial buddy.

 

[The Holy One]

Nah there's no defending this crap. They made Seth look super weak, which is fine if Brock is going to win, but then you make BROCK look like a chump just so you can make a 50 year old man look good (despite him looking so flabby and sick), all to give us a rematch of one of the shittiest matches ever.

Then on top of that, you don't give the Seth/Brock match a finish. Not even an official DQ ruling. The ref and Seth just disappear. Like, I know this is pro wrestling, but sheesh...

The whole thing was almost as dumb as the Falcunts trading Brett Favre for Tony Smith.

And here you go with the unnecessary attack on my superior Falcons, I do look forward to sweeping them Aints again this year. For the record, Seth has never once looked strong in any match since his heel turn last year. This is his character why the fuck can't you understand that? The entire story coming in was that Rollins was getting the band back together b/c he knew Brock was going to kill him otherwise, and when it failed that's exactly what happened. I also find it a bit hypocritical that people have the nerve to be pissed at Rollins looking weak when Brock did the same thing to Cena last year and you cheered it. Then had the audacity to be offended at Cena actually putting up a fight at NOC.

As for the Taker interference, I have no problem with it b/c I have no problem with the story it's trying to tell. I believe Taker is still pissed over Brock taking away his biggest price and bragging about it to no end, and like any normal person would do, he exacted revenge. And it seems Brock "looking like a chump" really didn't affect anyone except for us on the internet, as the people in the audience realize that it's still fucking Taker. I find this much like the ending of HIAC of people taking this way too seriously and really just can't sit back and enjoy the show.