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:lmao: whatever. Keep living in denial buddy.

Why the fuck am i even wasting my time with you? how can you say that losing two times to Cena make you look like someone special?

Even KB who is a massive Cena mark admitted that Kevin Owens 1st victory is looking like a fluke.. I'm sure Owens will be fine, but he will never reach mega-star status like Lesnar did when he first debuted. They killed a massive opportunity..

I can't tell if you are trolling or just this stupid
 
Why the fuck am i even wasting my time with you? how can you say that losing two times to Cena make you look like someone special?

Even KB who is a massive Cena mark admitted that Kevin Owens 1st victory is looking like a fluke.. I'm sure Owens will be fine, but he will never reach mega-star status like Lesnar did when he first debuted. They killed a massive opportunity..

I can't tell if you are trolling or just this stupid

I'm not a Cena mark.
 
Why the fuck am i even wasting my time with you? how can you say that losing two times to Cena make you look like someone special?

Even KB who is a massive Cena mark admitted that Kevin Owens 1st victory is looking like a fluke.. I'm sure Owens will be fine, but he will never reach mega-star status like Lesnar did when he first debuted. They killed a massive opportunity..

I can't tell if you are trolling or just this stupid

Because it's not the losses that matter. It's the matches. Owens took Cena to the limit and has even beaten him clean. He's on the same level as Cena and would be a threat to him at any time. Only stupid people would think differently.
 
Because it's not the losses that matter. It's the matches. Owens took Cena to the limit and has even beaten him clean. He's on the same level as Cena and would be a threat to him at any time. Only stupid people would think differently.

Protected/well-fought losses can only go so far before casuals start to realize whos the clear better man.. Owens is on the same level as Rusev and Bray Wyatt now. Also taking Cena to the limit because is not as big of a rub as you cena marks are making it seem to be because mostly everybody does it, even Neville, Sami Zayn, and ZACK RYDER of all people. The question is who DOESN'T take cena to the limit? I mean thats part of his damn character routine. Getting taken to the limit, but somehow winning in the end.

What not many people can do is actually defeating cena. Defeating him twice, thats a massive rub right there. but after losing clean twice and even tapping like that, on top of losing clean to Fin Balor. his 1st win is looking like a fluke, like KB said.
 
I still can't believe to this day, we're still putting this much stock in losses. Owens losing last night did nothing to hurt him. John Cena was once an upstart heel who got a big win in a championship tournament only to follow that with losing to Lesnar, Undertaker, Guerrero, and Angle the following months. If you're truly one of the best, as people been claiming Owens is, then wins or losses don't dictate how your career turns out.
 
I still can't believe to this day, we're still putting this much stock in losses. Owens losing last night did nothing to hurt him. John Cena was once an upstart heel who got a big win in a championship tournament only to follow that with losing to Lesnar, Undertaker, Guerrero, and Angle the following months. If you're truly one of the best, as people been claiming Owens is, then wins or losses don't dictate how your career turns out.

You just contradicted yourself.. if wins and losses don't dictate how your career turns out, then whats the harm in having Cena lose? Also wins and losses do dictate your career.. those were only Cena's early years as a mid carder. After he won his 1st world title, he started to win 90% of his matches. Theres a reason why top stars always win
 
Yes owens will still have his smarky fans, but what about the casuals? They're just gonna view Owens as another Cena opponent; nothing special

Oh! I didn't realize you had the ability of foresight.

Oh god we're reaching new levels of delusion here.. are you seriously saying that Wyatt is at the high position he is at because of the Cena feud? Owens will be fine, for sure. But he won't be the next "big thing" beacuse of 2 cnosecutive losses. They had a major opportunity to make him the next monster heel, but that opportunity is now lost.

You're an idiot. Seriously, the last two people he had feuded with is Lesnar and Wyatt, both of whom have been dragged as top level superstars. Wyatt can feud with anyone and we'll buy it, the same goes with Lesnar. Like I said you don't know what will happen. So get off your period and give him a chance...
 
You're an idiot. Seriously, the last two people he had feuded with is Lesnar and Wyatt, both of whom have been dragged as top level superstars. Wyatt can feud with anyone and we'll buy it, the same goes with Lesnar. Like I said you don't know what will happen. So get off your period and give him a chance...

Lesnar didn't need Cena. Wyatt is off rambling somewhere and Rusev looked like a bitch
 
Oh! I didn't realize you had the ability of foresight.



You're an idiot. Seriously, the last two people he had feuded with is Lesnar and Wyatt, both of whom have been dragged as top level superstars. Wyatt can feud with anyone and we'll buy it, the same goes with Lesnar. Like I said you don't know what will happen. So get off your period and give him a chance...

what? a LONG LONG time has passed since his feud with Wyatt. what the literal fuck? Since his feud with wyatt, cena has feuded with Ambrose, Orton, Seth, Lesnar, Rusev, and Owens.. are you serious??

I'm just seeing the similarities with owens and all of cena's other opponents who he conquered.. whats the difference between cena's feud with owens and cena's feud with wyatt, rusev, etc.. they all took cena to the limit; everybody does so it doesn't mean anything. thats his god damn character routine. everybody takes him to the limit, then he conquers it all in the end, with the rare rare exception of Lesnar.

Let me give you an example that even you can comprehend.. if i had an opportunity to enter a tournament where the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place gets a prize, then obviously i would want to get 1st place.. but if i get in 2nd place, thats still VERY good, but its not the BEST that i can do.. just like kevin owens, sure losing to cena isn't going to absolutely destroy his career, but it stops him from being the absolute BEST he can be.
 
Owens took Cena to the limit and has even beaten him clean. He's on the same level as Cena and would be a threat to him at any time. Only stupid people would think differently.
Not to be nitpicking, but except for maybe "beat clean" part how many wrestlers "took Cena to the limit" in series of matches and acctually won the feud? Can remember just Punk and Lesnar. And even Punk had to take backseat to Cena most times after that.

On the other hand you have hips of athletes like Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev and now Owens. They all "took Cena to the limit" and lost. And they all have gone almost nowhere in that feud and beyond it. So it does kinda kills momentum.

Dont get me wrong, I am not one of those "Cena haters". Just saying that "taking Cena to the limit" isnt some accomplishment. Its in his character for opponent to take him to some limits, he "rises above opponent" and wins. But ultimatly in like 90% of cases it leads nowhere. Which doesnt mean that Owens winning clean in his first match on PPV against no1 face of WWE isnt accomplishent. Just that its almost nothing if it doesnt follows with acctually doing something with that win like acctually beating Cena in feud. :)
 
On the other hand you have hips of athletes like Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev and now Owens. They all "took Cena to the limit" and lost. And they all have gone almost nowhere in that feud and beyond it. So it does kinda kills momentum.

Ryback and especially Wyatt have carved out nice paths for themselves, so that is definitely false. Not enough time has been removed for Rusev or Owens to do the same.
 
Ryback and especially Wyatt have carved out nice paths for themselves, so that is definitely false. Not enough time has been removed for Rusev or Owens to do the same.

Yes, but it wasn't because of the Cena feud.. Wyatt recovered because of his feud with Reigns, being booked as someone who gets into peoples minds, and beating Ryback clean.

Ryback went downhill ever since his heel turn 2 years ago. He jobbed to Cena, then Punk a ton of times. It wasn't until he came back from injury that he gained his momentum back.

A lot of time has passed since Cena last feuded with those two. You can't possibly credit Cena for both of their positions on the roster atm. The Cena feud did nothing for both men. I'm not a Cena hater, I just don't like the way he's booked, or his fans who treat him like he's a god, and hes responsible for every good thing
 
Ryback and especially Wyatt have carved out nice paths for themselves, so that is definitely false. Not enough time has been removed for Rusev or Owens to do the same.

Can anybody possibly be this stupid? I'm starting to think you're a troll now.. baffling how you think Cena is responsible for Wyatt and Ryback's momentum when their last feud was like 1 or 2 years ago
 
And here you go with the unnecessary attack on my superior Falcons, I do look forward to sweeping them Aints again this year.

Hey man, don't take it out on me that the Falcunts gave away 20 years of greatness for literally nothing. I didn't make that trade.

BTW, congrats on that sweep. I'm glad you got to witness that at least once in your adult life, while I've gotten to see the Saints sweep the Falcunts 5 times since the Sean Payton/Drew Brees era began ;)

For the record, Seth has never once looked strong in any match since his heel turn last year. This is his character why the fuck can't you understand that?

Wrong. He kicked Dean Ambrose's ass at MITB the entire duration of the match. And throughout his MITB run he looked strong plenty of times, including in the Triple Threat match against Cena and Lesnar at the Royal Rumble.

Now, I did have a huge problem with how he was booked post 'Mania, and again I don't mind Brock dominating someone if he's going to beat them and it leads to something bigger. But there was no point to it last night. The match should have been ten minutes longer with Seth getting more offense in. By the end of it, all the match did was make the World Champion look less than a Cruiserweight Champion, while Brock got manhandled by a guy who was WWF World Champion before you were even born yet, after being booked to look like an unstoppable monster for almost 2 years now.

I also find it a bit hypocritical that people have the nerve to be pissed at Rollins looking weak when Brock did the same thing to Cena last year and you cheered it. Then had the audacity to be offended at Cena actually putting up a fight at NOC.

Please find posts where I was celebrating that match and shitting on the NOC match. :lmao:

The Summerslam match was something different at the time, so I applauded that, but at the same time I shitted on WWE for not booking Lesnar like that from the get-go (the HHH matches, specifically).

And I didn't get offended at all about Cena putting up a fight at NOC. But why not let Seth put up some kind of fight? Is it really not that believable? If not, then he shouldn't be fucking champ in the first place. But Brock and Seth could have torn the house down last night, and instead we got a one-sided 9 minute match with a ******ed ending.

As for the Taker interference, I have no problem with it b/c I have no problem with the story it's trying to tell. I believe Taker is still pissed over Brock taking away his biggest price and bragging about it to no end, and like any normal person would do, he exacted revenge. And it seems Brock "looking like a chump" really didn't affect anyone except for us on the internet, as the people in the audience realize that it's still fucking Taker. I find this much like the ending of HIAC of people taking this way too seriously and really just can't sit back and enjoy the show.

Funny how this block of text doesn't address one thing I said about Taker's appearance. Once again, I'm not mad he showed up and interfered; I just didn't like how the ref and Seth disappeared to nowhere and the show just ended with a 50-year-old man kicking Lesnar's ass like he was some chump.
 
Can anybody possibly be this stupid? I'm starting to think you're a troll now.. baffling how you think Cena is responsible for Wyatt and Ryback's momentum when their last feud was like 1 or 2 years ago

You don't get it. And never will.
 
Ugh we need more logical people like jmt225 and Shadowmancer, and less naive and delusional people like Bernkastel and Dave. Get what? Youre saying that Cena is responsible for Wyatt and Ryback's momentums when their feuds were 1-2 years ago.. its You who will never get it. You know what? i don't get why I keep feeding the troll. Just gonna ignore your posts from now on
 
Ugh we need more logical people like jmt225 and Shadowmancer, and less naive and delusional people like Bernkastel and Dave. Get what? Youre saying that Cena is responsible for Wyatt and Ryback's momentums when their feuds were 1-2 years ago.. its You who will never get it. You know what? i don't get why I keep feeding the troll. Just gonna ignore your posts from now on

I never said that. Not once. I said their feuds with Cena elevated them so that they would have the chance to carve those paths. Both of those men looked better after feuding with Cena than they did before. You cannot deny that.
 
Love me some Ambreigns! Hopefully this gets some attention from Creative and prove to be an awesome feud and match at SummerSlam!
 
I never said that. Not once. I said their feuds with Cena elevated them so that they would have the chance to carve those paths. Both of those men looked better after feuding with Cena than they did before. You cannot deny that.

How many times do I have to repeat it to get it through your god damn THICK skull?

Taking Cena to the limit does NOTTTTT mean SHIT! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

EVERYBODY does it. You know why? Because thats part of John Cena's CHARACTER. The odds are stacked against him, but he ALWAYS finds a way to win. Its the same old routine every feud.. the ones who break this routine are the ones that get put over, like Bryan, Punk, Edge, Orton and Lesnar. Those are the people that Cena put over

On the other hand, you have guys who are just regular Cena opponents, like Owens, Rusev, Wyatt, Ryback, Miz, etc.. they take him to the limit, but don't actually come out of the feud on top.

hell, even Zack Ryder, Neville, Sami Zayn, Cesaro and Stardust took Cena "to the limit"..

I'll restate it again so you can proceess it.. the point i'm trying to make is pretty much EVERYBODY that Cena faces takes him to the limit because its part of his damn character.
 
Ryback and especially Wyatt have carved out nice paths for themselves, so that is definitely false. Not enough time has been removed for Rusev or Owens to do the same.

Even if you count them as success(and Ryback was almost a jobber for a while lol) feuding with Cena and losing even after they "took him to do limits" has taken them nowhere after that. Which means they lost their momentum after that feud and almost fade away.

Rusev and Owens will probably be fine, but they got almost nothing for "taking Cena to the limits". As I said, its not too much of a acomplishment. Anyone who feuds with him is "taking him to the limits" so it means almost nothing at all after a while.
 
I'll restate it again so you can proceess it.. the point i'm trying to make is pretty much EVERYBODY that Cena faces takes him to the limit because its part of his damn character.

You've unsurprisingly missed the point. By taking Cena to the limit those superstars were elevated to his level and seen as threats. Thus they looked better than they did before fighting Cena.
 

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