Are they burying The Miz?

[Good Golly It's Ollie]

You guys are jumping all over the thread starter, but I think he has a point. I mean WWE is doing a lot of things differently lately, but classicly, I'd say he's getting buried.

"Buried" is a lot more extreme than that. "Buried" is one of the most extreme words you can use in wrestling. The truly most recent example I can think of is Chavo losing the ECW title in 8 seconds at WM to Kane, combined with jobbing out to Hornswoggle. But then, Chavo was never a main eventer anyway, so it's not that important. Plus, it took more than one match over a long period of time for this to happen, but it doesn't matter because both Kane and Swoggle are over more with casuals than Chavo was anyway. Burials don't happen in one match, unless they're at the start of a career - the Shockmaster, for example, could be said to have pretty much buried himself.

Lets look at some precedent within the past year though. Jack Swagger got a title run and was subsequently buried(although I don't think he's a main eventer anyway). Wade Barrett got that massive push last year, then BAM, John Cena beat him at TLC and he's been getting buried since.

Swagger was never buried. He was overpushed before he was ready and that's what fucked him.

Second of all, Barrett? He feuded with Cena and Orton, the top two faces. Not to mention Cena was his bitch for a couple of months. When he went to SD, Cena and Orton weren't there so of course he was going to take a step down, but then he became Intercontinental Champion. That's not getting buried. And yeah he lost it to Zeke who may or may not be deserving of that title but look now. Zeke is over. Why? Because in the fans' minds he put down that nasty bastard Wade Barrett. But Barrett's still doing alright. He lost to Kane this week, so what? Doesn't make him the new Chavo.

Someone mentioned CM Punk not being buried just because he finally got this one big storyline last week, but lets not forget what it was about, it was about him being buried. Kane was face for a long time before they decided to push him last year, til he lost the title and now things are same with him as they ever were.

That Punk storyline is a work. The stuff he was saying is what generally uninformed internet fanboys are saying and he knows it. Has no-one been watching Punk's career for the past 3 years? WWE clearly values him highly to even let him cut that kind of a promo. Punk has always run his mouth on everything and anything that bothers him, but he's never really bitch-slapped WWE themselves before. And yes, he spent the last year losing to Rey and Show a lot, but he was a heel. Look at all the people everyone says is 'being buried'. Well, usually they're heels i.e. cheaters, chickenshits and losers.

As for Kane well he's a similar story to Chavo in a lot of ways ... the main difference though is no matter what you say about ring skills or whatever, Kane has always been more over, and has been utilised well in his not-quite-main-event 'star jobber' position. That last push was either a 'reward' push or just the WWE being honest that all they had to carry the next Taker feud at that time was good ol' Kane.

Back to The Miz(who I also don't quite think is a Main-Eventer), when has the "winner" at Wrestlemania ever gone downhill this fast. I mean, I think this storyline with Alex Riley is perfect for him, not for someone who just Main-Evented WM. How many matches has Alex Riley even been in? Miz is getting squashed by a rookie man. Even if this is to elevate Alex Riley, he's been on top of this feud since it started. Normally the heel gets to do some vicious shit to the face before the face eventually starts gaining the upper hand.

Whether he's Main Event material or not, he did have momentum behind him as Wade Barrett did and now its getting squashed. After years of WWE doing things very slowly, they are now fast tracking everything, and it started with Sheamus. I'm not saying that I don't want to see new faces at the top, its just that WWE went from one extreme to the other. It seems like with the amount of talent thats been leaving the WWE lately, they're throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. Think about it, Sheamus' biggest claim to fame before the title was ending Jamie Noble's career. R-Truth went from a Santino type level to feuding for the title.

I feel sometimes like Vince does this just to prove the IWC wrong, like hey you wanted us to push new guys now we're doing it and you're not responding.

The IWC doesn't matter to Vince. If Bischoff was right about anything (and man do I hate agreeing with Bischoff), it's that. The IWC is 10%. Probably less.

Sheamus is still at the top. Not the very top, but the top nonetheless. He's still near the title scene even though he's not actually in it.

R-Truth is a filler feud, the dude is getting old, but even so he was over as a face, his heel turn was good and he's not fallen any great way. He's more like Kane than anyone else mentioned here. Big name over jobber who's put to good use. He was never as low as "Santino type level".

Miz is not being buried. And he clearly is a main eventer. Just because you're not actually competing for the title doesn't make you less of one. He's now in the second biggest feud on Raw. Miz broke the "first title reign sucks" stigma of the last few years and had the longest title reign in quite a while. Miz had one of the best first reigns in years - seriously, compare it to Punk's first reign as WHC - and he walked out of freaking Mania still the champion. I see why people are all worried about it, but many ways it's the same situation as Barrett - he needed to take a step down for a bit as well.

Miz and Riley have been paired with each other to help each other get over and it's working. Sometimes that may in fact mean that one has to lose to the other but this doesn't equate with a burial.

 

[iwinulose]

they are using the miz to put over alex riley atm, and if you dont remember, the miz did get the better of alex riley a week ago or so? of course miz really is awful and he isnt really a top star, he is a top heel, but not a top star. why are we complaining though? the wwe is finally starting to make new stars here, alex riley, i think he could be a big time star in the future.

 

[The Duke]

They did it to Jack Swagger to see if he could carry the big one. Now they're doing it with Miz. Swagger sucked with the title and was boring. The only good part was people making fun of him. The Miz is getting better yes but he's not THE guy at this point. I think he'll be a high mid carder, low main eventer sometimes but he's not the guy to carry this. That's why the Punk/Cena thing is going on and I'm not shocked when Punk wins at MITB and disappears with the title and Cena takes a few months off. Either way, the answer is no, he's not being buried like Swagger was but he is being de-pushed.

 

[#hamler]

They did it to Jack Swagger to see if he could carry the big one. Now they're doing it with Miz. Swagger sucked with the title and was boring. The only good part was people making fun of him. The Miz is getting better yes but he's not THE guy at this point. I think he'll be a high mid carder, low main eventer sometimes but he's not the guy to carry this. That's why the Punk/Cena thing is going on and I'm not shocked when Punk wins at MITB and disappears with the title and Cena takes a few months off. Either way, the answer is no, he's not being buried like Swagger was but he is being de-pushed.

The Miz cannot always be in the main event. He's not being de-pushed. He's taking time putting over his former lackey in Alex Riley. Just because you are away from the spot light doesn't mean you are being de-pushed. The difference between Jack Swagger's title reign and The Miz's was The Miz was phenomenally over at the time. The Miz's WWE Championship reign was very successful and the WWE realizes this (hence the reason they are using him to help put over Alex Riley). Jack Swagger couldn't keep himself over as World Champion thus, pushing him severely down the card. Miz is not being buried, he's not being de-pushed. He's still a very relevant part of Monday Night RAW and that does not mean he's being de-pushed in anyway.

 

[mubzylicious]

No they're not burying him but they're using him to put over Alex Riley. But i see big things in the future for The Miz. I see him potentially feuding with HHH. Hopefully HHH won't be such a douche and refuse to put the Miz over. If Miz does win a feud against HHH, it will solidify his status as a main eventer no matter what.

 

[The Duke]

The Miz cannot always be in the main event. He's not being de-pushed. He's taking time putting over his former lackey in Alex Riley. Just because you are away from the spot light doesn't mean you are being de-pushed. The difference between Jack Swagger's title reign and The Miz's was The Miz was phenomenally over at the time. The Miz's WWE Championship reign was very successful and the WWE realizes this (hence the reason they are using him to help put over Alex Riley). Jack Swagger couldn't keep himself over as World Champion thus, pushing him severely down the card. Miz is not being buried, he's not being de-pushed. He's still a very relevant part of Monday Night RAW and that does not mean he's being de-pushed in anyway.

So when you say the Miz was phenomenally over are you talking about the time that he spoke or his music hit and no one in the arena did anything? I'm pretty sure that's not over. I'm pretty sure when he was the title no one really cared. The end of EVERY Raw in which himself and Cena went back and forth it was quiet in the arena. That's not over. He's getting better sure but they are backing off the gas on this one big time.

 

[#hamler]

So when you say the Miz was phenomenally over are you talking about the time that he spoke or his music hit and no one in the arena did anything? I'm pretty sure that's not over. I'm pretty sure when he was the title no one really cared. The end of EVERY Raw in which himself and Cena went back and forth it was quiet in the arena. That's not over. He's getting better sure but they are backing off the gas on this one big time.

Please tell me you have some sort of backup - like as in Youtube. The Miz gets heat, anyone with a fully functioning television set could hear that. And how is he getting buried? Because he lost the WWE Championship? Like I said earlier, you can't hold the title your entire career. Of course you can't always be on top but being buried is not the Miz's case. So yeah, pretty much show me a video on youtube where The Miz wasn't getting heat while WWE Champion.

 

[FSWWE]

A lot of things in this thread makes me to have a desire of slapping the OP poster to bring that up...

I can't see any reason for him being buried, he is the WWE Superstar that his "must-see", he is pushing one of the guys with more potential on the roster and I'm happy with that, but before that he was fighting against John Cena for the WWE Championship, and more, he won a singles match against him at WrestleMania something that was never done before and even after that he won in "heelish" way the WWE Title 2x, however both times the referee found out.

Really I can't see the reason for people to say that he is getting buried when he is in one of the most interesting feuds currently.
I have a question, if tonight WWE just thought about making him vs Cena for the WWE Champion, would you be surprised?
I wasn't, he is over to have a world championship any day and he has a lot of years for him to be better.
The Miz is a major player now and I'm proud of that, probably the best thing that WWE made last year...

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Just because Miz is not fighting for the title every week doesn't mean they are burying him. His recent loss to Riley was done to benefit A-Ri, not to bury Miz. I think that succeeded, as Riley oozes star quality to me.

He did pretty well as champion, so I can't see WWE losing faith in the guy. He is one of the few younger guys who knows how to talk well and get heat, plus he can put on a pretty decent match. He will be back as a main eventer again sooner, rather than later. This is just a detour on his route to the top once again.

 

[Captain Morgan Freeman]

So let me get this straight The Miz loses ONE PPV match to Alex Riley and gets beat down on by Riley on two raw's ans suddenly he's getting buried. In that case 90% of the damm roster must get buried every year. WWE have big plans for The Miz but they also know that Riley has a lot of potential and judging by the pop he got when he turned on The Miz they are right on this one.

It's simply a case of The Miz giving Riley a rub and putting him over. We are in the middle of the Youth movement after all. Having him feud with other mid carders like Kofi or Drew will only slow down his development but having him feud with The Miz like this will kick start his carrear and show he can cut it at a higher level.

The Miz is far from being buried he will be challenging for the title again come August.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Nah, he's not being buried at all. I'm not really sure why so many net fans start believing a wrestler is being buried whenever he loses a few matches.

Nobody can win all the time, everybody has to come out on the short end of the stick every now and again. The Miz is someone that's been red hot for the better part of 2 years now. He won the United States Championship in mid October 2009 and held the title from then and wound up holding it for most of 2010 as well. At the same time, he won the tag titles while teaming with Big Show. How often do you see or have you ever seen a wrestler walking around in WWE carrying 3 championship belts? Then, he wins the Raw MITB match at the first MITB ppv roughly a year ago, carries it for several months before cashing it in against Randy Orton in November 2010 and becomes the WWE Champion. Since then, Miz has been one of the most talked about WWE Champions in years. Whether you like Miz or hated him, whether you thought he should be there or he shouldn't, he had you talking. More people were generally interested in the WWE Championship picture after Miz won the title than I'd seen for the past several years.

Miz has had a helluva ride since October 2009 and it had to slow down a little at some point. Right now, he's helping get Alex Riley over as an upcoming babyface. The crowd is responding to him, he's won a few matches over one of the top and most hated heels in wrestling today. Miz will eventually be back in the main event picture.

 

[Kwang]

Not burying The Miz, but kinda pushing Alex Riley a bit more. Just because he's losing doesn't mean he's getting buried, he's still solid in the Riley vs Miz fued.

 

[xsKiitz]

I understand that they're trying to get Riley over, and yes, he's certainly making his way up there. And fast.

There are 2 problems with this.
1. Miz isn't established enough to start putting new talent over.
- Don't get me wrong, The Miz is my favourite superstar and I love seeing him win and in the ME and being as active as he can be. I thoroughly enjoyed his title reign and his feud with Cena. But to be fair, that's all he's done in the mainevent scene. 1 WWE title reign and 1 major Wrestlemania win.

2. Alex Riley went from being an NXT rookie. To Miz's bitch who never had matches. And I'm not going to lie, I loved the face turn and the vicious beatdown he gave Miz. I love Riley. But I find it hard to swallow that Alex Riley beat Miz in his first match with him, CLEANLY, and then a second time on Raw. A few weeks ago Riley was just a guy carrying around an empty briefcase. Now he's cleanly going over the man that beat Cena at WM for the title. Miz is soooo much further up the food chain then Alex Riley.

Riley's being rushed into everything, whether it's going 2-0 over the former-WWE champion, or being tag team partners with the face of the company. I'm just not buying Alex Riley, or even R-Truth (another rushed talent) as legit mainevent players. They're nowhere NEAR established enough to hang with Miz or Cena. They should give a victory or 2 to the Miz, THEN have Riley show signs of improvement and eventually go over Miz. Having 2 matches with your mentor and winning them both is crap. Where do you go from there ?


Miz has only had Cena as a really memorable feud. Orton was okay. Ish. But I don't think he's qualified to be one to put over new talent. Even if he's the only one to be able to do it for Riley.

So in answer to your question. Yes, I do think Miz is getting buried. But only with a little bit of dirt. Not a whole grave full. Which still isn't good.

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[XXJJ]

Miz is right where he should be. He should of never been the wwe champion. Extremely overrated mic skills (think a very poors man mix of Jericho/Rock) and below average in the ring.

Honestly, their is not a big difference between him and Alex Riley. They even kind of look a like. I have no problem with Miz losing to Riley.

 

[Cappii]

Hi everyone. First post here. I would like to start off by saying, whereas I dislike The Miz's character, I do very much think he has worked his rear end off to get to where he is. I am proud of him. The fact that I care enough to dislike "The Miz" says something about him. A lot of heels bore me, or seem to be trying way too hard to get over with the fans.

His mic work alone puts him in the top 3 or 4 of the company. As someone else posted earlier, he is the 2nd best heel in the WWE right now, behind CM Punk. His lengthy title run is a testament to his popularity. He may have cheated to win, but he still won. May I remind you all of Eddie Guerrero? He was a top face, but he cheated often. That was his entire moniker.

Is he being buried or de-pushed? I say no to both. He is getting A-Ri over right now, which is important since the entire IWC has complained for years about the old dogs getting all of the bones. That fact is still very evident in TNA. At least the WWE is trying to change it. The Miz is still at, and will remain at, the top of the heap, so-to-speak, in the WWE. A-Ri will be moved to mid-card to work his way up, and The Miz will go back to feuding with whomever has the title.

Say what you want about the Miz... I'd much sooner see him champ again that I would Del Rio, Rey "The Botch" Mysterio, or Ron "I should have just done what Vince wanted me to do in 2001 and I wouldn't be in such a bad spot now" R-Truth Killings.

 

[Toroc102]

"Buried" is a lot more extreme than that. "Buried" is one of the most extreme words you can use in wrestling. The truly most recent example I can think of is Chavo losing the ECW title in 8 seconds at WM to Kane, combined with jobbing out to Hornswoggle. But then, Chavo was never a main eventer anyway, so it's not that important. Plus, it took more than one match over a long period of time for this to happen, but it doesn't matter because both Kane and Swoggle are over more with casuals than Chavo was anyway. Burials don't happen in one match, unless they're at the start of a career - the Shockmaster, for example, could be said to have pretty much buried himself.
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I completely disagree, I think one match is enough to start a burial, to me it seemed like Cena's match with Barrett at TLC buried him pretty good. Not to say you can't come back from something like that, its just why kill the momentum?

Second of all, Barrett? He feuded with Cena and Orton, the top two faces. Not to mention Cena was his bitch for a couple of months. When he went to SD, Cena and Orton weren't there so of course he was going to take a step down, but then he became Intercontinental Champion. That's not getting buried. And yeah he lost it to Zeke who may or may not be deserving of that title but look now. Zeke is over. Why? Because in the fans' minds he put down that nasty bastard Wade Barrett. But Barrett's still doing alright. He lost to Kane this week, so what? Doesn't make him the new Chavo.
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What kind of logic is that, how do you go from feuding with the top 2 guys for the better part of the year and then go to the brand without those two guys and start jobbing? If anything he should've started racking up some good wins. And I don't know about Zeke, I don't feel like he's over. Like its more than wins and losses its everything that goes along with it. Sure Barrett got the IC title, but what does that even mean? The Nexus/Corre trades tag-Titles like their Pokemon cards.

That Punk storyline is a work. The stuff he was saying is what generally uninformed internet fanboys are saying and he knows it. Has no-one been watching Punk's career for the past 3 years? WWE clearly values him highly to even let him cut that kind of a promo. Punk has always run his mouth on everything and anything that bothers him, but he's never really bitch-slapped WWE themselves before. And yes, he spent the last year losing to Rey and Show a lot, but he was a heel. Look at all the people everyone says is 'being buried'. Well, usually they're heels i.e. cheaters, chickenshits and losers.
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Lets stop this crap that says heels lose, duh. Triple H, JBL, Flair, Edge, Kurt Angle, you don't have to lose relentlessly if you're a heel. You don't have to follow some formula that says heels never win matches. And obviously its a work, that doesn't mean its not based on real shit. Wouldn't be the first time wouldn't be the last.

The IWC doesn't matter to Vince. If Bischoff was right about anything (and man do I hate agreeing with Bischoff), it's that. The IWC is 10%. Probably less.
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Lol, I'm pretty tired of this whole 10% bs. Do you really believe that shit? I mean, wrestlings been fighting the internet for years now instead of getting ahead of the curb like any reasonable business would because the internet is the future. Hell WWE just based the storyline of the year on the internet and its gotten a bigger response then anything since The Nexus. Jim Rome gives CM Punk a stage to speak on? Colin Cowherd wrestling hater, plugs WWE? When was the last time a storyline that didn't involve celebrities got any mainstream exposure? Not till they involved the IWC. Its crazy CM Punk was the IWC poster boy since he arrived in the WWE, yet they decide not to try to capitalize on that till he has a month left in the company? And when he said Brass rings, what he meant was his other faux pushes. getting the title then getting punted in the head. Getting the title then getting demolished by UT. The SES seemed more cursed than anything since Mercury went down and Serena was fired. But then they get the perfect opportunity to push him with the New nexus and instead let Randy Orton bury him.

Back to the IWC thing how about Edge. His momentum went to another level when they decided to acknowledge the whole Lita/Hardy thing. If the IWC is only 10% then that 10% have big mouths and inform the rest of the crowd because that was a hot feud.

 

[MizFit Brocko]

Not even close to being buried. They have realised the potential Riley has, and have been teasing a split between Miz and Riley for a while now. This is a great way to get the younger guy over, and it's not like Miz has looked terrible in their matches. Take last this weeks RAW for example, it was a rollup.

Miz will help get Riley over, then go into another feud. Which if the House Show i went to last night in Brisbane is anything to go by, will be against Mysterio. Then he'll be straight back in the title picture, whilst Riley does his own thing.

 

[Lebell lock]

i hope they aren't, i think they are trying to get Riley over as they need a new star and miz is helping with that. Am sure he will start winning soon again on tv and ppv. For me miz is future of the wwe

 

[LSN80]

How exactly is Miz being buried? He main evented three PPV's in a row before losing his title and moving on to face Alex Riley. While it certainly was a curious decision to put Riley over, I think the idea of what a true "burial" isn't understood. Riley got the better of Miz over and over again for weeks, but they were using that time to get Riley over. Miz is still getting promo time on a weekly basis, the same as he had before. It takes a credible heel to make a good face, and thats the role Miz is playing right now. Its not as if Riley got a decisive win in either matchup between the two. In match #1, Miz tried bringing in a chair, and while struggling with the ref for said chair, Riley caught him and hit the Impaler DDT. In the second match, Miz dominated and Riley caught him in a backslide. Miz got his heat back with a great beatdown after the match, so what exactly has Miz lost?

Was John Cena buried when he lost to Wade Barrett several times, and was away from the title for almost a year? It's important for any main eventer to be able to establish themselves away from the title as well as near it, as it adds depth to their character. As for Miz' loss to Cena at OTL, Miz is a heel. He would avoid punishment and live to fight another day. That's what heels do. Miz has spent virtually the last two years holding a title or Money in the Bank, so him not being in any title picture seems like a step backwards on the surface. But what it truly allows is for a main event level talent such as Miz, much like Cena did last year with Nexus, to make new stars and add depth to their characters. Miz isn't being buried, not even close.