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Any other TNA fans a little worried about Impact going against RAW?

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I'm all for competition the wrestling business but I just don't want to see TNA go the same way as WCW. I've enjoyed watching the company for a few years and while it hasn't always been great, I've liked it a lot lately and have enjoyed it more than the WWE product over the past month or so. It's an alternative and I like having that option.

I'm just not sure if now is the time for them to be taking such a big step. They're really not THAT big yet. They're growing but I think they need to grow a little more before they go against Vince. I Of course, if it isn't working out then I guess they could always go back to Thursday nights but Hogan and Bischoff probably wouldn't like that because it would be like admitting failure again.

If the two going head to head means great television then that is all well and good but not if yet another promotion goes out of business due to the WWE.
 
Well I was about to post something about this and you beat me to it.
But, I was watching old w.c.w episodes and I never really notice what they did before until now and it may help tna. Ok call me a w.c.w rip off idea but i dont care. I am in central time so wwe goes from 8 to 10. Lets have tna go from 7 to 9. Like w.c.w did. When I was watching old w.c.w episodes , I did notice that they would save story lines for the first hour and then the second hour. For example they would do a few things with the highflyers the first hour and all the n.w.o segments the second hour.
I think if tna did something along the same line then people would cross the line lol.
Another example...lets have the x division the first hour and get people going WOW look at that crazy shit. Then lets get to the more adult stuff and have the kurt angle temper tantrum for the second hour.
That way in the last hour , they would get more action then wwe during that hour time fram. Do you think this would help people cross over to tna? When tna would be over wwe would be half way done and who would go and watch half of a show?
Just some fuel for your mind.
 
Not in the slightest way, shape, or form. They already know they can draw the same ratings on a Monday as on a Thursday, so why not make the change? It obviously won't hurt them if they know they can maintain the same kind of ratings, and gradually increase them as well. That is what I think is inevitable if they go to Mondays permanently, it can only help them. It's not like they rely on top ratings at the moment the way WCW did, they are pulling a solid 1. whatever and that's good enough for now so long as they improve. My bet is that they siphon viewers from WWE since there will be an alternative on Monday nights again. Their ratings will go up due to the amount of WWE viewers switching back and forth making it look like they are growing bigger than they actually are. That might be enough to prompt the WWE into stepping their game up not just leading into Wrestlemania but after that as well. TNA has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 
Nope Although i don't like seeing hogan every 10 minutes I have to say They have Young guys who can do anything in the ring. We are gonna see WWE finely Step it up maybe give a guy like Evan Bourne a shot at doing something other than jobbing his ass off I mean they push Rey Rey and not Him I Don't get it..I don't see TNA having much of a problem getting viewers since if they get 2.0 million viewers thats a fucking Win...in the eyes of SpikeTV so look at it however you want less Mr. Bolea more talent more storylines more action less Sean Morley the better...Repackage some of the talent like Abyss get rid of the mask. make him a monster that never gets beat give him a attitude that he is better than everyone because of who he is and what he has done. he is a former world champ. TNA Brodcasters don't really talk about that much. they can do alot more than what WWE can at this point WWE will have to wait til they have the Draft then Smackdown and ECW can get Jewed again.
 
the problem i see with going head to head with the wwe is it kinda defeats the object of what dixie hogan and bischoff said they wanted to achieve which was to give the fans and wrestlers a second choice by going head to head it is mearly bischoff trying to sink the wwe yet again think about it if tna wins the war wwe is no more then they become the only option if wwe wins then its gonna be just the same bischoff thinks he can put the wwe out of buisness but he couldnt do it with turners money and carter aint gonna give him that much lets look at what he has done so far got rid of the six sided ring which has annoyed alot of fans brought the band in great two pill popping morons who cant get through a promo without slurring the words orlando jordan and the nasty boys turned aj styles heel anderson and hardy are the only things they have got right they even got kendrick who i think is a great wrestler but a pot head they have treated the man that created the company jeff jarrett like a bitch and so he has a problem with them this is not the righ time to go head to head this is the time to get yer house in order because when the time is right and when he feels compelled vince will turn his game up and when vince does that we all know from the past he tears through the competition tna at the moment looks like wcw worlwide they should wait to go head to head untill it looks like nitro then they stand a chance having the same numbers on a monday that they draw on a thursday aint enough i mean the promoted the hell out of the uk tour even having ads in the commercials when raw aired and what was the result well manchester was 5000 in an arena that holds 20,000 approx i say this to tna dont worry about the wwe right now sort out your international market the uk have just lost the ppvs so whats the point in watching impact or going to house shows well thats my two cents for what its worth all i ask is that if you respond dont be a jerk and attack me personally as i aint thank you
 
Bischoff doesn't have the money this time around that he had in WCW. Panda Energy is not Time Warner. What WCW did cannot be done by TNA. But, TNA shouldn't be worried...this won't affect their ratings much. How can their ratings be all that adversely affected? Their ratings already abyssmal.
 
I think its an awesome time for TNA to go head to head... Especially if they run commercials during RAW, wrestling fans that miss Hogan, Angle, Bishoff, The Band, Sting, Hardy (if if ever gets used), Anderson will tune in to see what's going on over on the other channel... Old school wrestling fans have been waiting on a reason to channel surf again...

They will always have their main fan base who will watch TNA over WWE anyway... So as long as they keep putting on good TV, they will steal some of WWE's viewers...

TNA is a very solid promotion right now, the Jarrett and Hogan thing is a work, people critized Russo for only having 16 min of wrestling last week and the next week was a wrestling dominated show, the ratings went up both weeks... They are on the right track, and expect a shit load more suprises in March... Hopefully, RVD and Heyman... Russo, Heyman, Bishoff and Hogan all against WWE on Mondays would be great TV...
 
I don't like it. It if they go 7-9 it might screw ROH as well, and I'm becoming a ROHbot, plus I can only dvr so many shows at once, including non wrestling television. If ROH gets screwed, where are TNA and WWE going to poach talent from, all both companies best young stars come from there. Plus vince has the money to Burry TNA, just wait until Linda loses the election and Vince plays for keeps. I like TNA and I want it to stay around. I like what they are doing right now, and I think they should keep building. Plus how many "shocking moments" and surprises can TNA have, until they run out and the shock factor wears off.
 
the problem i see with going head to head with the wwe is it kinda defeats the object of what dixie hogan and bischoff said they wanted to achieve which was to give the fans and wrestlers a second choice by going head to head it is mearly bischoff trying to sink the wwe yet again think about it if tna wins the war wwe is no more then they become the only option if wwe wins then its gonna be just the same bischoff thinks he can put the wwe out of buisness but he couldnt do it with turners money and carter aint gonna give him that much lets look at what he has done so far got rid of the six sided ring which has annoyed alot of fans brought the band in great two pill popping morons who cant get through a promo without slurring the words orlando jordan and the nasty boys turned aj styles heel anderson and hardy are the only things they have got right they even got kendrick who i think is a great wrestler but a pot head they have treated the man that created the company jeff jarrett like a bitch and so he has a problem with them this is not the righ time to go head to head this is the time to get yer house in order because when the time is right and when he feels compelled vince will turn his game up and when vince does that we all know from the past he tears through the competition tna at the moment looks like wcw worlwide they should wait to go head to head untill it looks like nitro then they stand a chance having the same numbers on a monday that they draw on a thursday aint enough i mean the promoted the hell out of the uk tour even having ads in the commercials when raw aired and what was the result well manchester was 5000 in an arena that holds 20,000 approx i say this to tna dont worry about the wwe right now sort out your international market the uk have just lost the ppvs so whats the point in watching impact or going to house shows well thats my two cents for what its worth all i ask is that if you respond dont be a jerk and attack me personally as i aint thank you

While I don't intend to attack you personally, I am going to suggest that you use grammer in your posts. Good lord that was a chore to read!

First off, to your comment about them changing the six sided ring. If people are so "annoyed" by this, then why was last Thursday nights rating as high as the live episode back on Jan. 4th?

As far as Mr. Billy goes, what do you mean they can't continue to have these surprises? What surprise was there on Impact last week or the week before that? The only episode that has had any surprises was the Jan. 4th live episode. Then of course at the PPV they unveild Kendrick and Anderson, but it's not like people are tuning in to see Kendrick.

Last weeks episode with Jarrett and Anderson in the main event was awesome. The 8 card stud matches were great. The six man x-division bout was phenomenal. They have guys that are simply better wrestlers than WWE and the benefit to many of their guys is that their characters aren't played out right now.

Who else is tired of... THE VIPER! Good grief, suck the charisma right out of the guy. What about Cena? The fans boo that guy all the time and the WWE tries way harder to force him down our throat than TNA does the Nasty Boys. I'll admit, when I buy the next TNA PPV, it will have nothing to do with Team 3D vs. the Nastys... In fact, I'll probably get up to go get a beer during that match.

Davi323, you are calling TNA's ratings "abyssmal"? How? Superstars scores lower than them, ECW scores lower than them, and right now TNA is knocking on the door of WWE's Smackdown. A brand that started off drawing ratings in the 5.0 area, and now is struggling to draw 2.5s, and has during this very month been as low as 1.8. Raw is drawing around a 3.5 or better right now and with football season over now they will not have to worry about competing with MNF for that 18-35 Male demographic. Having said all that, there is no more of an opportune time to unveil a live Monday night wrestling show to go head to head with WWE than right now.

Let's be frank, they are not expected to win right out of the box. If and when they do win it will be huge for them. Dixie Carter and TNA are not going to merge with some major company like AOL and because of that you can rest your fears on TNA being shut down over a 2.5, it's not gonna happen. From reading Bischoff's book, watching the Monday Night Wars, and looking into other sources online, it appears as though there is no other reason for WCW's collapse other than the fact that AOL didn't want it to succeed. Bischoff now has the power again.

Better yet, think about how many wrestlers McMahon has run over since he became the only wrestling company. Guys will jump to TNA in a heartbeat to work 5 days a month and make a little cash doing what they love to do.

To put it simply, you people are way off that are saying this is a bad idea. This is a great idea. As a fan who grew up watching WWE and WCW as far back as 92, I can say that when TNA does go to Monday nights, I'm going with them.

JcCool, you hit the nail on the head about old school fans channel surfing and inflating TNAs rating. That is going to happen.
 
I'm all for competition the wrestling business but I just don't want to see TNA go the same way as WCW. I've enjoyed watching the company for a few years and while it hasn't always been great, I've liked it a lot lately and have enjoyed it more than the WWE product over the past month or so. It's an alternative and I like having that option.

I'm just not sure if now is the time for them to be taking such a big step. They're really not THAT big yet. They're growing but I think they need to grow a little more before they go against Vince. I Of course, if it isn't working out then I guess they could always go back to Thursday nights but Hogan and Bischoff probably wouldn't like that because it would be like admitting failure again.

If the two going head to head means great television then that is all well and good but not if yet another promotion goes out of business due to the WWE.

Yes, I do agree fully with that. I mean, I am a HUGE WWE fan, and I see TNA as a "back-up" which it's my back-up on Thursday (and maybe Monday, if RAW sucks), for Superstars.. I think the reason the WWE made Superstars is just to insure that TNA won't get so popular. I like TNA myself. They have a strong mid-card and pretty much always have a good Main Event in-store, but AndyUK has a point. I don't want to see then get taken down by WWE like WCW did
 
Yes, TNA fans should be worried. You know what I think of TNA? It is Total Nuisance Action. Never liked TNA, Never will. It copies WWE. So why not watch WWE, a more entertaining product? Some idiots might say WWE is lame because of the PG rating. HEY. Atleast WWE isn't filled with drunkards like TNA. TNA fans, be afraid and if you all have brains, you'll watch RAW. WWE rocks.
 
slikrik84, going up against Monday Night Raw is not the same as going up against Superstars or ECW. Nor did I suggest that Superstars ratings weren't abyssmal, because they are. But, they are trying to compete with RAW. They issued a press release on January 5, claiming that the January 4 episode of Impact drew their highest ratings ever...but, what was that rating? A 1.5. That was their best ever. That is what I mean by abyssmal. What you will see on Mondays is going to be decent (for TNA) ratings from 8-9, and then as soon as Raw starts, TNA's ratings tank, as all the casual fans switch over to the real show, and not the curiosity. They will see the difference in production values (TNA has none) and will see that RAW is simply a much better looking show. Diehards like you will still watch TNA, but TNA doesn't care about you, you will watch them regardless. They want the casual wrestling fan, the one that might not watch them every week. That is who they have to get in order to increase their ratings, not you. They already have you. But, where are those casual wrestling fans going to come from? The only alternative is the juggernaut, the one that spends more on pyrotechnics each week than TNA brings in total. They have to come from the one that they grew up watching, they have to have an incentive to come over.

What is that incentive? What does TNA offer that WWE cannot match? 50-60 year olds who can't wrestle anymore getting all the TV time? Are they going to win them over with the same over the hill past their prime talent that they did it with 12 years ago? Because Kevin Nash, Sean Waltman, Scott Hall are so relevant now? 14 minutes of wrestling for an entire show? Wow. Blow me away. A bunch of light heavyweights (excuse me, X division) wrestlers that nobody outside of TNA has ever heard of? People are going to turn off John Cena for Christopher Daniels? Really? They going to win them over with creative booking like having cage matches that end in no contests? That should work. I know it won me over. Vince Russo is a genius!

The point is, TNA is nowhere near being in a position to be any kind of real threat to the WWE. They don't have the names, they don't have the money, they don't have the household recognition. WCW only succeeded because they had Ted Turner's money backing them up, and were able to throw away millions and millions of dollars in ridiculous contracts to draw away WWE wrestlers. Panda Energy does not have the money Ted Turner did. TNA won't be luring away John Cena, Edge, or Randy Orton, like WCW lured Nash and Hall. Oh, but TNA has Jeff Hardy!!!! yeah, until he has to go to prison for 3-5 years because of the mobile pharmacy he had in his car...good job TNA. You really struck gold by getting Jeff Hardy to make a 1 time appearance.

Wake up. TNA has a long ways to go before they can ever hope to be a challenger to the WWE. Right now, they are like a semi-pro football team thinking that their televised games can compete with the NFL. Don't get me wrong, at some point, I hope TNA does get to the point where they are big enough...but, you TNA fans are delusional if you think the garbage they are turning out currently has any chance.
 
They should be. If this is now TNA's time-slot permanently, they better hope they can change it back whenever is necessary. People like to complain about the WWE and McMahon, but this is the company that put WCW out of business. They had to put on a hell of a show, but they managed to do it. And WCW was twice the show, with twice the repution that TNA currently is. I don't think McMahon feels too threatened now, but if TNA's audience grows and begins to detract from Monday Night Raw, TNA should be scared. McMahon could still crush them.
 
I think this is an interesting move by TNA. However, I feel they are not ready for it. Right now, they need to worry about drawing in more fans without stealing from up north. TNA's focus right now should be building a larger core audience, not competing with the WWE.

Rising to the top, or at least rising to the WWE's level, it doesn't happen overnight. There are many, many things TNA needs to do before they consider permanently staying a position to compete with the WWE.

TNA needs to expand it's horizon, but they are not ready for this yet. TNA should do something along the lines of one live show on a Monday night per month until they have built up a large enough audience/viewership to even consider permanently putting themselves on Mondays.

Honestly right now I feel Hogan is moving too quickly. But at the same time, his quick moves are creating all the buzz around TNA, and if he feels what he is doing is best for business, who are we to stop him?
 
I think the last few posters are the ones that are delusional...

TNA's production value, may not be as good as WWE, but the product looks good on TV... The last guy who is still talking about the 16 minutes of wrestling two weeks ago must have missed this Thursday's Impact or he might just be too hung up on WWE to give TNA any credit...

What the WWE smarks don't realize is that TNA doesn't have to beat RAW in the ratings to win the war, there is no war yet... They are simply offering an alternative on Monday nights and they will steal some of RAWs viewers... As long as their ratings go up, slowly or not the move will be good for TNA...
 
TNA has nothing to lose going on Monday nights. They have gained viewers and have reached record ratings on Monday and Thursday nights. They could always go back on Thursdays if they wanted to. What TNA did before was good but didn't have enough momentum. I think with Hogan and the new talent they have the capability of gaining more audience members.

The difference between WCW and TNA is that Hogan isn't running the shots, Dixie Carter's father is. Hogan isn't wrestling and is in charge of only his character. There is no way Hogan can do what he wants to do without Dixie and her father's approval. Talent such as AJ Styles, Wolfe, Pope, Morgan, and Hernandez, are getting the exposure they deserve. Whether people like him or not, Kennedy is getting a nice push too.

I honestly think that by the end of the year, TNA can pull a solid 2.0. They are on Monday not just for ratings like WCW was before, they're on Mondays to give fans and talent an alternative. Its too early for Vince to "crush them". Vince had Russo's booking along with Steve Austin, The Rock, Foley, and DX, in a crash TV attitude environment.

Now Raw has Cena and Orton who are huge stars, but never as huge as Austin or The Rock. They have the same stars main eventing now as they did 5 years ago. Some even 10 years ago such as Triple H, Undertaker, and HBK. Sheamus is the only exception. They also have a lot of frustrated talent who have been in talks with Hogan. TNA is more relaxed family environment, so maybe talent prefer that compared to constant backstabbing and politics.

Another huge difference between WCW and TNA is that Time Warner merged with AOL, and AOL didn't want wrestling on Turner broadcasting. After WWE left Spike mid contract, It's safe to say TNA has a safe home in Spike TV. Also, Spike TV is a man's station with Sports, and UFC which is their most popular show. UFC went up against WWE on the 11th, and gained maybe a 1.1 1.2. That was against Mike Tyson with no football games.

So you know if TNA can draw a 1.5 during Bret Hart's return and a bowl game, then TNA can do anything. Even if they can't trump Raw in the ratings, I just want a company with good wrestling to succeed. I want an alternative. I've been loyal to WWE for over 20 years, but I need a change. I need to be excited for once. TNA is the good alternative for that.
 
Yes, TNA fans should be worried. You know what I think of TNA? It is Total Nuisance Action. Never liked TNA, Never will. It copies WWE. So why not watch WWE, a more entertaining product? Some idiots might say WWE is lame because of the PG rating. HEY. Atleast WWE isn't filled with drunkards like TNA. TNA fans, be afraid and if you all have brains, you'll watch RAW. WWE rocks.

WWE used to be a good show, til they all got lazy being unopposed for so many years, do you honestly think that the last Few RAWs really rocked? if so, it shows what a moron you truly are. all RAW is these days, is predictable, repetitive, and lame.

TNA is putting out a more intriguing product as of late. great storylines, top-notch wrestling action, and no midgets, can RAW say the same? no! what do they really offer us for story content? I can usually spot the swerve way before it happens on RAW.

TNA is building up to something huge for the big night on March 1st.

go back and watch RAW and drool on yourself, i'm sure that your lobotomy is causing you to do that a lot, change your depends also, you're stinking up the joint

have a great day!
 
The product looks good, until you start to compare them. TNA fills their 2,000 seat arena, while the WWE is touring live in 20,000 seat arenas. Fans notice things like that, and as soon as they compare the two, they will see TNA is being minor league at best, and go right back to watching WWE. TNA does not have the fan base, does not have the production values, does not have the roster, does not have the financial backing to be a threat. Hulk Hogan is not the answer. You know from my avatar that I am, have been, and always will be a huge Hogan fan. I grew with him, he is a legend, he is the most influential wrestler to have ever lived, considering how he has changed the business. But this is beyond him. Just being Hulk Hogan is not going to make TNA matter. Eric Bischoff without Ted Turner's money is not going to make TNA matter. TNA is banking everything on faulty premises. They assume that since Hulk Hogan is Hulk Hogan, that everything will work out fine. They assume that because Bischoff made WCW work with the help of untold amounts of Turner's money, that he can make TNA work without it. They assume that the same old has beens can draw like they did in 1993. They assume that just because Vince Russo destroyed WCW with his booking, doesn't mean he will do the same to TNA. They don't realize Vince Russo is a cancer.

TNA might very well steal some of the WWE's viewers...at least initially. Some people will simply be looking at TNA, because its different. But different isn't always a good thing, and they will realize how good they had it watching RAW. No matter how much you TNA fans want to pretend your product can realistically compete, you can't. You TNA fanboys remind me of Apple fanboys, who brag about Apple having a 7% market share, and how that makes them a real alternative. TNA will never be serious competition to the WWE, unless they change almost everything they do. Get used to it.
 
I don't know, maybe they should be a little worried. But the truth is TNA has been working itself up for this moment since it debuted. It has to move to monday nights to remain in real competetion with WWE and to be truly successful. if they did'nt move it would seem like they are not competetion at all, or it would seem like that they are ducking the real competition. The time has come for them to go head to head and I for one couldn't be more excited about the possibilities. No matter which side wins in the end , the truth of the matter is this. Only good things can come of it.
 
You really think the average wrestling fan pays attention to the size of the crowd or the arena they are in? Hell no! The only people who think or care about that are the people running the companys and smarks like you who think they know everything about the business...

The averaga fan watches wrestling to be entertained, to be caught up in the drama of the stoerylines and the excitement of the matches, the size of the arena is just an after thought that shouldn't even matter if the quality of the show is good... And week after week Impact has gotten better...

Bishoff has been in this business for decades... He's more than just the corporate nerd turned big boss that Vince makes him out to be... Bishoff and Hogan know how to produce good TV something that was proven eighty something weeks in a row...

Granted TnA won't wake off like Nitro did, but in time you will see bigger arenas and better ratings...
 
No, TNA already went head to head with RAW and did pretty damn well actually on January 4th.

This isn't like the late '90s with McMahon having the right people (Russo and Ferrara) in creative working for him and talent such as Austin and The Rock. Stephanie is very uncreative and Vince just likes booking to please himself. WWE is PG now so they can't do anything real edgy... they can't even show blood. Sure, they have some of the bigger names right now but TNA is catching up and their roster is almost right up there with WWE's, IMO.

This is the best time for TNA to compete with the WWE. They really need to focus on putting on a more edgy product for that 18-34 demographic that has mostly stopped watching the WWE.
 
If not now, then when? TNA has many wrestling fans attention now so why not give them what they want and that's a choice on Monday nights. Yes ROH is on but I'm talking about the big leagues here. I think the young talent in TNA is much more entertaining that the WWE any day of the week. How many Gen X vs Rhodes/Dibase or Cena vs Sheamus do we need to see week in and week out? WWE needs a wake up call and this just might do the trick.
 
It's not going to make any difference. I like watching Impact on Thursday nights, as there really isn't much else on Thursdays that I do like from 9-11. Now, I have to choose, and I'll choose Raw every single week. I'll have to just watch Impact Thursday nights on the internet.
 
I said this before, If TNA wants to truly go up against Raw, they have to get their ratings up on Thursdays first, if they consistantly get in the 2s then they should move to Monday and not before. But I don't care im in the UK so it doesn't bother me :)
 
I can't wait for them to go head to head.. I'm excited for another Monday Night Wars.. some people keep saying it's not the right time to make the move, but when is the right time.. TNA has been around for what, 8 years? They can't keep putting it off and putting it off.. just make the jump and let's do it.. I know I'll be watching Impact on Mondays and DVR-ing Raw, but I'm sure I'll make the occasional flip back and forth like the old days :)
 

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