Any other TNA fans a little worried about Impact going against RAW?

[Weems2k]

Raw has sucked bad since going to that lame celebrity host week in, week out. Does Seth Green, and Al Sharpton really make you think, oh, I have to watch that show? Hell no.

The one thing TNA has to do better at is the finishes of some of the matches. That X Division match on Jan 4th was good all the way up till the end. Speaking of which, where has Botch Hardy been since Jan. 4th?

 

[Kinghaspoken]

the only thing that would keep them from being completely burried by Raw is to Go on from 8-10 that way they would have a cushion of 8-9 by themselves and 9-10 their last hour vs raws first hour, raws first hour consist of more talking than wrestling so this could help tna out if they put on a good show. but tna will be buried either way in the long run

 

[iHateTNA]

WWE used to be a good show, til they all got lazy being unopposed for so many years, do you honestly think that the last Few RAWs really rocked? if so, it shows what a moron you truly are. all RAW is these days, is predictable, repetitive, and lame.

Wow, since I'm a loyal WWE fan, yes I thought the past RAW's were good but didn't rock. But you TNA drunkard fans have to admit TNA copies WWE and is jampacked with WWE stars. TNA is getting popular by just copied and STEALING WWE stars. Bro, TNA is like a mouse who keeps taking bites out of the cheese (WWE), but TNA has to watch out... the mouse might get trapped.

Vince is just being nice right now. If he wanted, he could destroy TNA and buy it and say IN YOU FACE DIXIE!. Dixie is a failure and TNA is a major fail.

Have a terrible day TNA jerks. x-(
Have an awesome, fantastic, STRAIGHTEDGE day WWE loyal fans!!!!

 

[nwo4381]

All those people who critical about TNA are just WWE koolaid drinkers! WWE has sucked for the last decade. When WCW folded, WWE didnt bother doing anything creative. TNA has the X-Division (which is outstanding), a far better womens divison (meaning they actually know how to wrestle), and have actual tag teams (meaning not just guys thrown together calling it a team). TNA is going to kick WWE ass! Bring on the Monday night Wars! Honestly, this might actually make WWE better!

P.S.

John Cena sucks!

 

[bythehorns10]

It's not going to make any difference. I like watching Impact on Thursday nights, as there really isn't much else on Thursdays that I do like from 9-11. Now, I have to choose, and I'll choose Raw every single week. I'll have to just watch Impact Thursday nights on the internet.

I feel kind of similar. I'm sure I will flip around once in a while, but I think I'll prefer Raw.

I just don't see what TNA has to gain with this move. If you force people to choose, for sure some people that watched on Thurs will be lost if they prefer WWE more. On another day of the week, there are plenty of those people like me who will still watch even though they prefer another brand. Seems high risk, low reward to me.

In fact, I think it probably suits WWE more in the big picture, since it keeps them honest and is just a bit more pressure to deliver

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Yes, I think TNA should be worried. I'm all for good competition, and there's a part of me that wants to see TNA become a threat to WWE because it would be "boom" time again as far as the wrestling wars go. We all have to face the fact that at the moment, TNA ISN'T ON WWE'S LEVEL. I'm talking about every aspect from, ratings, to money,overall popularity, and merchandise sales. Those are the facts, but there's a chance all that could change.

TNA is going to need more firepower if they are going to challenge Vince. Let's face it, it's not like they're going to have a huge name like Hogan debut every Impact, so they can't always bank on something like that. As far as the firepower goes, TNA already has plenty of it, they just need to do a better job of using it.

 

[psykohurricane]

What i'm scared off is if the WWE start Raw 1 hour earlier and goes 3 hours every weeks then TNA does have the advantage anymore and the good ratings they had the first time around might not happen because most people might turn to Raw at 8 P.M and forget that IMPACT is on at 9 p.m. Personally that does effect me because in Canada, even if Raw start at 8 p.m in the states, we always gets it a 9:15 pm so i can always watch the first 15 minutes of IMPACT and decides if i want to continue watching TNA or start watching RAW but peoples in the states don't have that luxury and that could hurt TNA in the long run, especially if they continue the look like a minor league operation.

 

[Pedro08]

To answer the original question, yes I am a little worried about Impact going up against RAW. Having the pleasure of witnessing the 1st Monday Night War, the prospect of a second war is intriguing, but as more of a WCW fan than WWE fan, I also witnessed the end result of that war, the loss of WCW.

So am I worried that the same fate could happen to TNA, absolutely. The last thing I want is for Vince to buy up TNA and making profit off their video library.

Now I understand Hogan / Bischoff wanting to move to Monday Nights permentally to compete with RAW now to strike while the iron is hot. Personally, I would prefer the live Monday Impacts once a month first before a permenent shift to get a better feel for how they would do ratings-wise. I would definately feel more confortable with the permanent move to Mondays if they could sustain a 2.0 rating on Thursday, as someone previously posted.

Vince won't really care about TNA until they start competeting and beating him in the ratings. Once, that happends, you know he will do everything in his power to destroy TNA. While it's true that Raw will become a better product, remember that WWE is a Billion dollar corporation and Vince will use all his resources to get back on top.

TNA will never put WWE out of bussiness, while WWF/E has put plenty of other promotions out of bussiness. In a war, someone wins and someone loses. My hope is that if TNA loses, it goes back to Thursdays and not out of bussiness.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I think it's natural for some to feel some anxiety about this in some ways. I'm not going to get into a debate as to who is better and why because everyone can bring up valid points to back up why they feel which company is best. In the end, it's all about the numbers as far as WWE and TNA goes.

At the end of the day when all the marks have gone to bed and the smarks have logged off for the night, it all comes down to the numbers each company is able to pull in. TNA has some momentum going for it right now, it's done very well for itself in the ratings so far this year. Even though it's still quite early in the Hogan-Bischoff regime, TNA has to be feeling good about the numbers they've pulled. TNA has done the smart thing and actually waited to see if they're able to sustain numbers close to the 1.5 they took on January 4th. However, while the show has been doing better than it has been, it still has a major uphill climb ahead of it. A lot of comparissons have been made in the past between TNA and WCW, most of them have been less than flattering, and TNA isn't nearly as strong right now as WCW was in the first three years of the Monday Night Wars. When the War began in late 1995, WCW Monday Nitro was drawing in the mid to upper 2s, had the near limitless financial resources of Ted Turner feeding the company and WCW had a dynasty of its own. Before it became WCW, it was Jim Crockett's Mid-Atlantic promotion that had bought up companies like Georgia Championship Wrestling, Championship Wrestling from Florida, Central States Wrestling and several others. Basically, the foundation for WCW was literally made up of some of the best wrestling companies to ever exist.

If TNA is able to maintain numbers like what it's been doing for the past month once it makes the permanent move to Monday nights, I think TNA management and Spike will be generally happy. The ultimate test, however, will be if iMPACT! is able to maintain their audience and, possibly, even winding increasing their numbers by stealing viewers from Raw. While iMPACT! has been doing some of the best numbers it's done this month, there are still a few troubling signs that might be cause to worry. These are the quarterly hour ratings for each 15 minute segment of last week's iMPACT! (1.51, 1.46, 1.44, 1.43, 1.42, 1.27, 1.22 and 1.30). The first hour drew a 1.46, rounded to a 1.5 and the second hour drew a 1.30. Over the course of each segment of the show, excluding the last one, iMPACT! lost viewers over the course of the night and that's never a positive sign. On the January 4th show, the same thing happened. I'm not saying that all those viewers switched over to Raw that night, but a lot of viewers did change the channel at least to something else.

Overall right now, it's just too early to tell how it's going to turn out for iMPACT! on Monday nights. To not feel a touch of anxiety, however, I think is to ignore a few basic realities that are simply there for anyone to see.

 

[gtajoker01]

Im a little worried myself I think tna needs to grow and expand some more before they declare war on wwe. they dont need every wwe hall of famer over there taking the spotlight from wrestlers like joe,daniels, and others. those guys are the reason why tna still remains.

 

[Gods Gift]

I think it's a dumb idea all around.I think that Hulk & Bischoff will put tna out of business.It's not about trying to improve tna it's about hurting the wwe.Think about it this way if they stayed on thursday nights would'nt they have a potentially much larger audience then going head to head with raw,as long as the show was good.I also think it's not smart to lite a fire under Vince look what he did to WCW the last time Bischoff Pissed Him Off!I just don't see any benefits for tna going head to head with raw.I say put on better shows with better storylines,get rid off the WCW has beens and build an audience.I'm a wrestling fan I don't want to see the industry get hurt any more than it has over the last couple of years.Hulk& Bischoff stop being selfish sons of bitches and think of the fans, not trying to hurt WWE! That's my opinion ...

 

[Morpheus101]

TNA Impact going against Raw on Monday nights is a horrendous idea and will only result in the demise of TNA (unless WWE programming continues to worsen).

I could have understood this move if TNA had reached the heights of WCW in the 90's. However, it has a long way to go and TNA programming needs to be shown on days when WWE programming is not shown, in order to build more of a fanbase so that it can seriously compete with WWE (that's the goal, after all).

Besides, now that Impact is shown on Thursday, I really like having 3 nights of wrestling during the week.

 

[Hbkmacdad]

I'm new to this site, and so far, I like many of the topics that members discuss. The latest one, this TNA vs WWE thing is very interesting to me. I am a wrestling fan, mostly, WWE. I'm 31 years old and have been watching since I was 2. I like what I see in TNA and WWE. I'm always sad to see a favorite WWE superstar go to TNA, and looking at TNA's roster, I think I counted over 20 former WWE superstars on there now. The WWE is a strange place right now, I guess we all miss the days of Stone Cold and The Rock. I used to watch WWE just for The Rock's interviews, they were always good times. Anyway, I'm rambling....I'll get to the point. Both companies, to me, are rebuilding, with younger talent and using older talent to help them. I read over and over again that TNA is where WWE rejects end up. That may or may not be true. Some WWE wrestlers leave due to the difficult WWE road scheduling or not being used too much on TV, or being released outright. They then sign with TNA hoping to make a bigger splash.

I commend TNA for their efforts. Truly they have some of my favorite former WWE superstars wrestling there. And honestly, I watch TNA to see those "old WWE guys" and not necessarily for their own talent. Though I do enjoy watching AJ Styles and one or two other guys. But honestly, I mostly watch TNA to see the old WWE guys, as I'm sure many of you guys do too. They are trying to compete against the WWE, and to me, you just can't do that. In the end, they know Vince and company will prevail. All they are doing is making him mad. Look at what happened to WCW. Below is a list of some of TNA's biggest problems, in my humble opinion of course. If they want to get serious about this Monday Night War, they have to fix these things...

1. TNA arena way too small...what is the capacity, less than 1000 fans?
2. TNA wrestling ring too small, even when they still had the 6 sides
3. Backstage interviews and story angles are horrible, too personal, not enough going on, camera man follows too closely it seems, looks homemade
4. Wrestlers too green, other talent too old, not selling their matches well
5. Atmosphere not lively enough, looks dull (compare the production value and what you see with a TNA broadcast or pay per view compared to a WWE pay per view).

Those are just 5 of my biggest pet peeves of TNA. Most of it deals with the fact that they just don't have the pockets that the WWE has... Though the WWE is getting dull with their stories and their superstars, they are just better to watch, because they have the money to produce a better show. Look at Wrestlemania each year...they book the event at the biggest venue they can find and fill it with over 50K people every single time. If I was a wrestler, that would be the stage I would want to wrestle on more than any other, even if it was just one time...do you ever see TNA holding something like that? Did you ever see WCW back then, be able to hold something like that? And what if TNA did not have any "WWE rejects" on their roster? Would you watch them? I'm saying, TNA has a long way to go and yes, I would be worried if I was a TNA fan. I sound pro WWE I know, but honestly, I barely watch wrestling now but when I do, I know for sure that the WWE has nothing to worry about. Do you guys remember Chris Jericho's first WWE debut back in 1999? Do you remember when the Radicalz and ECW and WCW "invaded" the WWE? Or the past 5 Wrestlemanias? Or that one Monday Night Raw when Stone Cold came in and Stunner'd like 25 guys? Or when The Rock and The Hurricane used to go at it with their put down jokes on each other? I don't see TNA doing anything like that whatsoever...and it is moments like that which they need to create a company that can compete with the WWE. Sadly though, they try, you guys have seen their attempts at hyping story lines and superstars.... That is what the fans want to see, that is what sells. You cannot win the WWE fans over with 1000 seat capacity arenas and low budget production sets. They need to fix these problems first, they need to do what WCW did. Bringing in Hogan and Bischoff and some other guys will help for a little bit...but remember, Raw comes hard and live and fierce almost every Monday Night. And in the end, Vince will figure something out. Guys will want to come back to the WWE after their run with TNA because they miss the Wrestlemania's, they miss the fans, the atmosphere, the big stage. I am annoyed with TNA's product, but not their effort, like I said, it's commendable. I do see Kurt Angle coming back to the WWE one day though...my final thought...the Impact on January 4th, the one that went head to head with Raw for the first time, the match between AJ Styles and Kurt Angle, when each of them coudn't pin the other despite finisher after finisher from both guys....they were trying to create drama like the WWE does, but they just couldn't do it...they were trying to create a match like the WM match from last year between HBK and the Undertaker, when HBK kicked out of every sinlge finisher Taker gave to him, as did Taker with HBK...remember the look on Taker's eyes when he caught HBK off the ropes and gave him the Tombstone Piledriver, when HBK kicked out? And how the fans reacted? That is what the WWE is all about, that is what sports entertainment is all about...and that is something that I just don't see TNA being able to pull off. I honestly don't know what they are trying to do or how they are going to do it.

Anyone who wasted the last 10 minutes of their lives reading this stupid post of mine, I'm sorry...but I had to vent to someone....

 

[ncwriter2908]

I dont think it will hurt TNA at all. Look at it this way WWE already has its fans for monday night. TNA already has its fans on thursday night. I think the thursday fans will get use to watching on mondays. Then you have your flip flop fans who just like wrestling so they will be the ones to try and drag in. TNA is trying to go more adult which means they have to bring back those older fans who stopped watching wrestling when the monday night wars ended. Those are the guys they have to attract now. WWE is PG now which is a totally different approach then what TNA is going for so I dont see those younger kids being able to switch to TNA anyway. So TNA has to bring in those guys who just gave up on wrestling when the original Monday Night Wars died. I myself was one of those. I admit I did watch TNA but it never interested me until now. Before I would mark out just to see the older guys and get bored because they didnt have any decent storylines in place. Now they are much much better.

Also no matter if you like seeing Hogan,the band,the nasty boys, and the direction of TNA at the current momment that doesnt really matter because its being proved week after week that its working. TNA will always go with the majority and the majority wants to see exactly whats been happening on TNA the last 3 to 4 weeks. All the proof is in the ratings. Also while people get on these old guys read the ratings report Jarrett vs Anderson recieved 1.50 rating during thier match. Which is also proof to what I have said before people want to see the people they already know. If you main event a PPV with AJ Styles vs Sting or one of those so called old guys then it will sell for right now. TNA is bringing back those fans from 10 years ago trying to get them interested in thier product. Those guys want to see the same guys from 10 years ago when they loved wrestling. Also while the level of wrestling TNA has been bashed. Well the more adult years from ten years ago was more about stories and entertainment. It focused less on wrestling and those lovable TNA AJ Styles high spots during matches. Oh yeah anyway if you want to do it right then you have to use tv shows to build up the story and do wrestling on the pay per views. If I dont care about the story or the personality of the character I could care less if you cut a couple of flips and high spots in a match that doesnt make me want to pay $30. You have to entertain me.

Ten years ago attendance was up, PPV buyrates were up, and ratings for tv shows were at like 7 and 8's. Now wwe does good to do a 3.6. Tens years ago wrestling had more entertainers than wrestlers. I think TNA is right to bring in these old guy who can entertain and get back to wrestling most profitable era. Why wouldnt you? It seems like the smartest thing to do is it not?

 

[therealicon86]

Just a thought....

I think that if there is ever going to be a time to jump....i mean how do you know if you will sink or swim if you don't take a jump.

i mean how appropriate will it be considering that TNA is doing what vince is scared to do....."cross the line" TNA is not force feeding someone down your throat that you don't like...they are giving you a chance to enjoy who you want not who they want you to enjoy.

Think about it, how many times have we heard, "We are tired of the Cena, Triple H and The Viper title pictures"? How many die hard fans like myself have got tired of seeing HBK and HHH translate for a "muppet" who isn't nothing more than entertainment for Mcmahon's grandkids?

What im saying is, if TNA makes the jump to monday nights, it will not only be a good move, but it will also be a great move! because TNA is giving us what we have longed for. TNA is giving us young guys who don't have to worry about the "Son-In-Laws shovel" Or the grandpataker's "streak" or put the sons of 2 Hall of famers create a faction just to bury them and protect their "leader"

TNA is going against the grain of wCw. sure, they got some old faces but its still fresh i mean you got Ric Flair molding AJ in to what he did for Triple h. you got Jeff Jarrett starting from the bottom to prove he is still the mountain and a potential Foley/Bischoff rivaly and all of that sounds better than anything that the "E" is doing so TNA has the first say on this war.

So the question still remains....How will you know if you will sink or swim if you don't jump?

So yeah its time to cross the line

 

[prophefixz]

Even during the monday night wars, Was it just me that found themselves edging back towards WWE everytime?
It was a true war then as both WCW and WWE were not only competing at the same time in the US, but also in Europe.

Personally, if i had to choose between WWE and TNA I'd pick wwe anyday...At the moment.
I can only watch one live. WWE. I would record TNA to watch at a later date, but still I'd always choose WWE. It may be predictable but it's still better than TNA. I personally DON'T want another war just yet, because we all seen what happened with WCW. What i want is TNA to grow and to take over smackdown. What people are missing is the fact that Raw AND smackdown during the monday night war were the same show. You would see austin AND the Rock on both shows continuing storylines before the brand extension. THIS is where WWE became stale. The same small roster pool over two brands with ECW boosting a few others. People overlook the fact that TNA has fired all the shots recently and WWE has done nothing. Same old Shows. Bret hart was always going to return. I read online that HArt was due in january sometime BEFORE hogan signed for TNA. WWE has done nothing to even acknowledge the TNA threat. Here's to hoping TNA come close to RAW so vince will pull his finger out

 

[hogan is the greatest]

first of all why would tna be worried about going to compete with raw? because tna has a much better show than raw plain and simple thats not even in question. next you would have a choice and not have to watch lame raw all the time (that puts me to sleep by 930 by the way) tna has better storylines i mean what exactly does raw have lets see you got an albino champion that nobody gives a crap about. than you got orton and cena that people got tired of i dont know how long ago. next im getting tired of all you dumm ass idiots out there that keep saying wwe put wcw out of biss.bla bla bla whatever. let me ease your litlle p-brains ok wwe didnt put wcw out of biss aol did plain and simple so please shut up about that unless you dont mind looking like a moron than its fine. next tna has the best mind in the biss. eric bishoff. ok after that they have the single greatest wrestler of all time bar nunn hulk hogan he is the biggest draw and biggest money maker of all time no dout thats another thing wwe dosent have not to mention hogan made mcmahon and wwe every company he has ever been with went to number 1. im trying to find some good points about wwe but honestly i cant,but the list goes on and on why tna is better tham wwe so to make along story short the clear and best choice is tna plain and simple without noboby in there right mind can argue that but im sure they will be some slow simple minded individual ****** that will try but thats ok because you are slow

 

[Jack-Hammer]

first of all why would tna be worried about going to compete with raw?

Well, the WWE is the largest and most successful wrestling company in the world and Raw's audience in America alone is sometimes triple that of TNA iMPACT!. When you have a program that you're running against another that often outdraws yours on a three to one basis, that's reason to be worried.

because tna has a much better show than raw plain and simple thats not even in question.

Then why is TNA iMPACT only drawing a fraction of what Raw is? And please, don't insult me by feeding me the old "a lot of people just don't know about TNA" line because it's garbage. TNA and Spike put forth some great advertising for TNA iMPACT! for January 4th, including a billboard in Times Square. It's a safe bet that every pro wrestling fan in America knows of TNA's existence, and probably has for quite some time. They simply don't care much for what TNA has to offer.

next im getting tired of all you dumm ass idiots out there that keep saying wwe put wcw out of biss.bla bla bla whatever. let me ease your litlle p-brains ok wwe didnt put wcw out of biss aol did plain and simple so please shut up about that unless you dont mind looking like a moron than its fine.

Before I go any further, let me give you some advice. Don't insult the intelligence of any potential posters when you don't use proper spelling, puncuation or capitalization in your own posts. It only winds up making you look like the idiot when it's all said and done. As to your comment, it makes no logical sense whatsoever. WWE did have a major hand in putting WCW out of business. Ultimately, Time Warner did want WCW off of TNT and it happened only after Vince McMahon purchased WCW from them. Vince McMahon currently owns WCW and anything that was connected with WCW. So, at the very least, the WWE played a major part in WCW's demise.

next tna has the best mind in the biss. eric bishoff. ok after that they have the single greatest wrestler of all time bar nunn hulk hogan he is the biggest draw and biggest money maker of all time no dout thats another thing wwe dosent have not to mention hogan made mcmahon and wwe every company he has ever been with went to number 1.

Bischoff does have a great wrestling mind, but I wouldn't call him the best. Hogan was the biggest draw and moneymaker of all time, but he hasn't quite delivered on his promises. Hogan boasted that TNA iMPACT! on January 4th would draw a 3.0 in the Nielsen Ratings and the show only pulled half that. Also, Hulk Hogan did not make Vince McMahon and didn't teach him everything he knows. Now that, my friend, is a load of garbage that only the biggest Hulk Hogan mark would believe. Hulk Hogan had that charismatic x-factor and a character that Vince McMahon did have some hand in creating and Vince McMahon's marketing of Hulk Hogan's character also definitely helped get him over. Both Hogan and McMahon played a big part in putting the WWF on top in the 80s. As to Hogan's time in WCW, Hogan didn't put WCW over the top. It was the nWo that put WCW over the top. Hogan came to WCW in 1994 and, even with him on board, WCW wasn't outdrawing Raw. In late 1995, Nitro and Raw were usually running neck at neck in the ratings and it was ultimately the nWo that gave WCW a boost. It wasn't Hogan by himself by any means. He did play a part in it, but he also had a lot of help as well.

im trying to find some good points about wwe but honestly i cant,but the list goes on and on why tna is better tham wwe so to make along story short the clear and best choice is tna plain and simple without noboby in there right mind can argue that but im sure they will be some slow simple minded individual ****** that will try but thats ok because you are slow

As I said earlier, I wouldn't insult the intelligence of someone that doesn't agree with you since you have the grammar skills and sentence structure of a five year old. There are plenty of arguments to make about TNA and you haven't provided any specific reasons as to why TNA is the better choice. All you've done is made a few insults to the WWE and, metaphorically speaking, sucked the dicks of Hogan and Bischoff. TNA, in my view, is becoming the unofficial rest home of professional wrestling. Here's what I mean by that: Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sting and Ric Flair are all wrestling personalities that currently have or are going to have major on air roles in TNA. All six of those personalities are between 50 and 60 years of age and most of them are only in TNA because the WWE doesn't want them. Hulk Hogan wanted another run in the WWE last year and the WWE wasn't interested, which left Hulk Hogan with only one place to go. Ric Flair also wanted to be back in the WWE but the WWE had nothing for him really until the Raw Guest Host angle ran its course, so Flair went to TNA rather than wait. Scott Hall is a complete burn out that the WWE wants nothing to do with, so his friends in TNA threw him a bone. Those three men I mentioned would be in the WWE right now if the WWE wanted them, that's just simply how it is. And, truth be known, Kevin Nash would probably be in the WWE as well if they were interested in him. He'd be working a schedule similar to what he's working now in TNA but he'd be making a lot more money. He can't work worth a shit anymore, however, so the WWE doesn't want him.

Now, let's look at some of the other talent that's arrived in TNA after Hogan. We've got Bubba the Love Sponge and the Nasty Boys to start things off. These are three of Hulk Hogan's biggest stooges and bring nothing to TNA. Bubba is a loud mouthed shock jock that knows nothing about wrestling and doesn't really even care about wrestling. The Nasty Boys are a couple of overrated, has been burn outs that haven't been a relevant factor in pro wrestling since the mid 90s. There's also Sean Morley, Orlando Jordan, Brian Kendrick and Ken Anderson on the TNA roster. I don't like using the term "WWE rejects" but it could apply to these four men as all of them were let go by the WWE. Morley, Kendrick and Anderson were all released within the past year. Morley hasn't been relevant since the very early 2000s, Anderson is a fragile wrestler that spent nearly half of his time in the WWE off television for months at a time, usually due to injury and Brian Kendrick is....well he's Brian Kendrick. TNA is becoming populated with has beens and never wases and they don't excite me in the least. By bringing in all this "talent" that the WWE has no interest in, it makes TNA look like a second rate promotion filling its roster with WWE leftovers.

 

[hogan is the greatest]

Well, the WWE is the largest and most successful wrestling company in the world and Raw's audience in America alone is sometimes triple that of TNA iMPACT!. When you have a program that you're running against another that often outdraws yours on a three to one basis, that's reason to be worried.




Then why is TNA iMPACT only drawing a fraction of what Raw is? And please, don't insult me by feeding me the old "a lot of people just don't know about TNA" line because it's garbage. TNA and Spike put forth some great advertising for TNA iMPACT! for January 4th, including a billboard in Times Square. It's a safe bet that every pro wrestling fan in America knows of TNA's existence, and probably has for quite some time. They simply don't care much for what TNA has to offer.



Before I go any further, let me give you some advice. Don't insult the intelligence of any potential posters when you don't use proper spelling, puncuation or capitalization in your own posts. It only winds up making you look like the idiot when it's all said and done. As to your comment, it makes no logical sense whatsoever. WWE did have a major hand in putting WCW out of business. Ultimately, Time Warner did want WCW off of TNT and it happened only after Vince McMahon purchased WCW from them. Vince McMahon currently owns WCW and anything that was connected with WCW. So, at the very least, the WWE played a major part in WCW's demise.




Bischoff does have a great wrestling mind, but I wouldn't call him the best. Hogan was the biggest draw and moneymaker of all time, but he hasn't quite delivered on his promises. Hogan boasted that TNA iMPACT! on January 4th would draw a 3.0 in the Nielsen Ratings and the show only pulled half that. Also, Hulk Hogan did not make Vince McMahon and didn't teach him everything he knows. Now that, my friend, is a load of garbage that only the biggest Hulk Hogan mark would believe. Hulk Hogan had that charismatic x-factor and a character that Vince McMahon did have some hand in creating and Vince McMahon's marketing of Hulk Hogan's character also definitely helped get him over. Both Hogan and McMahon played a big part in putting the WWF on top in the 80s. As to Hogan's time in WCW, Hogan didn't put WCW over the top. It was the nWo that put WCW over the top. Hogan came to WCW in 1994 and, even with him on board, WCW wasn't outdrawing Raw. In late 1995, Nitro and Raw were usually running neck at neck in the ratings and it was ultimately the nWo that gave WCW a boost. It wasn't Hogan by himself by any means. He did play a part in it, but he also had a lot of help as well.



As I said earlier, I wouldn't insult the intelligence of someone that doesn't agree with you since you have the grammar skills and sentence structure of a five year old. There are plenty of arguments to make about TNA and you haven't provided any specific reasons as to why TNA is the better choice. All you've done is made a few insults to the WWE and, metaphorically speaking, sucked the dicks of Hogan and Bischoff. TNA, in my view, is becoming the unofficial rest home of professional wrestling. Here's what I mean by that: Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sting and Ric Flair are all wrestling personalities that currently have or are going to have major on air roles in TNA. All six of those personalities are between 50 and 60 years of age and most of them are only in TNA because the WWE doesn't want them. Hulk Hogan wanted another run in the WWE last year and the WWE wasn't interested, which left Hulk Hogan with only one place to go. Ric Flair also wanted to be back in the WWE but the WWE had nothing for him really until the Raw Guest Host angle ran its course, so Flair went to TNA rather than wait. Scott Hall is a complete burn out that the WWE wants nothing to do with, so his friends in TNA threw him a bone. Those three men I mentioned would be in the WWE right now if the WWE wanted them, that's just simply how it is. And, truth be known, Kevin Nash would probably be in the WWE as well if they were interested in him. He'd be working a schedule similar to what he's working now in TNA but he'd be making a lot more money. He can't work worth a shit anymore, however, so the WWE doesn't want him.

Now, let's look at some of the other talent that's arrived in TNA after Hogan. We've got Bubba the Love Sponge and the Nasty Boys to start things off. These are three of Hulk Hogan's biggest stooges and bring nothing to TNA. Bubba is a loud mouthed shock jock that knows nothing about wrestling and doesn't really even care about wrestling. The Nasty Boys are a couple of overrated, has been burn outs that haven't been a relevant factor in pro wrestling since the mid 90s. There's also Sean Morley, Orlando Jordan, Brian Kendrick and Ken Anderson on the TNA roster. I don't like using the term "WWE rejects" but it could apply to these four men as all of them were let go by the WWE. Morley, Kendrick and Anderson were all released within the past year. Morley hasn't been relevant since the very early 2000s, Anderson is a fragile wrestler that spent nearly half of his time in the WWE off television for months at a time, usually due to injury and Brian Kendrick is....well he's Brian Kendrick. TNA is becoming populated with has beens and never wases and they don't excite me in the least. By bringing in all this "talent" that the WWE has no interest in, it makes TNA look like a second rate promotion filling its roster with WWE leftovers.

all im going to say about you and your wwe book of crap moron is this. read slowly ok i got a four year degree from ga.tech so dont let it go over your head. hogan came to wcw in 94 the first ppv he wrestled he outsold wwes pay per view ok. then he formed the nwo who was the face of the nwo let me see oh yeah that was hogan to. then shortly after that he almost put big bad wwe out of biss. alot due to bearing them 85 weeks in a row on mondays,and as far as him wanting to go back to wwe i dont think so the last thing i heard is he didnt want to go back to wwe because he didnt want to deal with vince and triple h and shawn micheals silly ass politics which is understood since he is a bigger star than any of them have ever been so mcmahon knows what can happen when the wrapth of hogan comes down on him hogan could have got him sent to prison in 94 for his steroid case with the federal government and he would still be locked up today but he didnt because he felt sorry for him but maybe he should have vince owes everything he has to hogan. plus im real sure if hogan really wanted to go back to wwe vince would have made some changes and worked it out. basicly its like this vince should be careful of the toes he steps on today because they maybe connected to the ass he has to kiss tomorrow that ass in this case being hogan. like i said in my first post i knew they would be some p-brain moron ****** that would try ro come up with someting. apprently that p-brain is you but thats ok im tring to break it down for you.just read it slowly ok and maybe you will understand. i have alot of patience even for slow people

 

[Hbkmacdad]

Wow, this TNA vs. WWE forum is getting heated. We have guys with 4 year college degrees getting upset at other guys who misspell words and have bad punctuation and all that other stuff getting upset....I am a wrestling fan, but more of a WWE fan, even though the WWE is pretty lame right now, I still think that no one is going to ever be able to compete against this juggernaut ever again. They can try and sure, they will draw ratings and such, but not the kind where they can keep up with the WWE. The TNA January 4th show was pretty good, but again, they really need to think about getting a bigger, flashier ring and a bigger venue to hold their live Impact tapings. These bingo size crowds just ain't cuttin' it. And yeah, to be fair, it's really too early to tell what's going to happen in this war but at the end, I see TNA dropping out or losing...perhaps moving to a different day and never again pulling a stunt like this. The WWE, despite their lame stories and often times horrilbe treatment of talent, it's still the big time and we all know that.

TNA is not like WCW...and before they seriously think about competing against the WWE, they need to get as big as WCW. The WWE is like the Major League of baseball, WCW was the minor league, and TNA is like a high school team...right now at least...am I wrong or right? Anyway, when going up against Vince, he pretty much always wins and gets his way. That's the bottom line. And Hulk Hogan...he will forever be the greatest Icon of all time, but those days are over. I read in one of these posts that Hulk Hogan was the reason why WCW started beating the WWE back in 1995 and 1996 when the ratings war first started...actually, in my humble opinion, it was actually Razor Ramon aka Scott Hall and Diesel aka Kevin Nash who people wanted to see...not Hulk Hogan. They wanted to see Razor put every single WCW wrestler in the Razor's Edge. They wanted to see Diesel jacknife powerbomb every single WCW wrestler. Fans thought they were WWE wrestlers who went to WCW to kick ass and take names...They didn't want to see Hogan's Atomic leg drop. The trend would continue...they wanted to see Mr. Perfect, and Rick Rude, and the Million Dollar Man, and XPac, and the Macho Man...and every other former WWE wrestler. The same is happening now. I find myself watching TNA to see what my old favorites are doing. Honestly, aside from AJ Styles, how many of us give 2 quarts of Gorilla piss about any of the original TNA stars? They go to the WWE and they don't cut it. In TNA, they barely cut it....I could go on and on. It's just sad to see it though. How could you not want to perform once a year on a stage like Wrestlemania? Isn't that what all wrestlers dream about? Do you think TNA will even perform on a venue like that?

Good for TNA though, for trying and for all their efforts. But it will not be enough in the end. All these WWE haters and TNA lovers are just like the old pro WCW lovers back when we were writing forums about WCW vs. WWE. What happened to WCW? It's all just funny to me now. TNA is cool and right now the WWE is pretty gay...but again, at the end, the WWE will prevail like they always do....

 

[Tougie]

I'm extremely worried for TNA, and the fact that I "crossed the line" 1/4 and jumped back after the Rumble makes me even more worried. Hogan and Bischoff are trying to change things way too fast. The long early 90's WCW ramp and a 4 sided ring, i mean that goes without saying but TNA's identity has gotten raped by Hogan. And then you bring in completely irrelevant people like Morely and Orlando Jordan. I mean its just ridiculous. The only major addition has been Anderson. And now moving iMPACT to Monday's starting in March, unless something drastic happens in the next month, im sorry to say but TNA will be dead by mid 2011 in my book. Which pains me to see considering I've been a fan since 02. Raw will kill iMPACT. Bottom Line. Raw already has the solid fanbase who watch regardless (including myself), they have better stories going on atm especially with HBK, Legacy, and the SES. There is no chance in hell for TNA right now

 

[NYSandman]

Nah. I'm not worried. If TNA did start getting slaughtered, they could always move back to Thursday. I am, however, worried that TNA is going to botch this. Here are a few reasons why.

1. TNA doesn't have the financial backing that WCW had. Dixie has money, but she's no Turner.

2. Lack of big talent in WWE. Yes, that's right. WCW mainly succeeded because they were able to lure top names from WWE. TOP names. What WWE top name guys could they try to win over? Trips, Cena, Orton, Taker, guys like that, are all WWE lifers. If TNA can do a better job building on what and who they have, it might work.

3. Hogan. I like Hogan, but look at who he's wasting our time with. The Nastys should just be taken out back and shot. At least try to lose some damn weight when you know you're coming back to the business. Scott Hall is a burnt out shell, and so is Waltman. STOP WASTING TIME WITH THESE LOSERS! I'm not trying to take away anything these guys have done in the past, but I also don't take away from the fact that the long dead T-Rex was the greatest predator ever. The bones in the museum aren't, and these old men aren't draws anymore.

4. TNA is having huge problems defining heels and faces. Is Hogan behind Eric, who seems to be playing a heel? Or, is Hogan the genuine babyface who wants to help the company? They've been doing this shit with Foley since he got there. Fans can make up their own minds, but you must direct them one way or the other. Having Hogan stand by with a smirk one week while Dinosaurs beat up Foley, and then putting Foley over as a great talent and "rehiring" him a week or two later is confusing. The whole Jarrett angle makes my head hurt, too.

There's still a lot of work to be done. I hope they make it. I'd kiss Hogan's bare ass if he can make this work. We all need to get behind TNA. I'm still a WWE fan, but I want competition.

Has anyone else noticed that Raw has been better? Last night's Raw was very, very good. Good wrestling, just enough humor, different guys fighting each other. It was cool, and I think Vince is already getting himself in competitor mode.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready for World War 2!

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I am absolutely not concerned about any negative effects of TNA going up against Raw.

TNA has shown that they can hold their own and the base of their primary audience against Raw on January 4th. TNA experienced a surge in the first hour to a 1.9. Where as they did lose that surge to Raw for the second and third hours, it took the rating down to a 1.3. There is nothing wrong with that.

Now, people may say "Lord Sidious, what do you mean? That is a loss of .6 ratings points!"

And to that I reply, "That's true, however a 1.3 is still higher than what Impact was doing for the past several weeks in the ratings, so they not only held their audience they usually have on Thursday nights, they actually increased it."

And that is exactly why Spike was thrilled with the results. So going into this thing, this shows me that with stale programming on WWE, and Bret Hart's return being a much to-do-about-nothing, that TNA has the advantage in their court with everything to gain and nothing to lose. They are not only going to keep their audience from disgruntled WWE viewers, but they are going to increase it.

There are a lot of WWE viewers that are very brainwashed with this misplaced ideology that they feel they have to be "loyal" to WWE. I had that same thought process when I was a mark, but when I became smart to the business, where as I remained loyal, my loyalty died a little bit each year .... and especially went right out the window with the birth of the PG Era. Vince showed he wasn't loyal to people like me, so I'm not going to be loyal to him. I will go to whoever produces the best programming that I find most enjoyable.

And I think a lot more people are adopting this approach.

TNA is hoping to attract older disgruntled viewers who left WWE and may have stopped watching wrestling, in addition to disgruntled viewers who are still watching WWE television, and looking for an alternative.

Older viewers seem to have a bigger appreciation for the actual characters and storylines (like myself), where as newer viewers of wrestling seem to prefer quality of in-ring action and aren't quite as concerned about storyline or characters as much as the older viewers are, who grew up on that type of wrestling.

TNA is providing BOTH of those elements to BOTH of these audiences and are being smart about it.

So, it's just a matter of time, in my view, because TNA is doing everything right in the Creative department, by differentiating their product from WWE, and WWE is just catering to the Audience of One, as it normally does.

So no, I am not worried about TNA going head to head against Raw. They have absolutely everything to gain in this equation and can prove that they can maintain their audience base against Raw.

 

[uchihaorton]

Going head to head with raw occasionally is good for TNA as it brings a different type of advertisement. However i feel that it will be hard to maintain a TNA impact which will have WWE fans watching TNA instead of RAW.

Unless TNA can get someone as big as the Rock,Austin or Goldberg...it will not be able to attract the viewers currently watching WWE