AJ Lee Gone From WWE

Paige was spoken of the same way. She is rocking the world in those 3 minute RAW matches and fluff matches on PPV, ain't she.


What you should be hoping for is for Paige to go BACK to NXT.

On this, we agree. I can wait to see Sasha Banks get her hair pulled on by The Bellas - or, more likely, have it revealed she's going out with Bad News Barrett on Total Divas, the show even wrestling fans don't realise is fake.

Well, lets not go fucking nuts here.

On this, I demand a list war. I'll go first:

1. AJ Lee
2. Everyone else

Please note, this isn't an indictment of WWE's women wrestlers (well, not entirely) but an affirmation of how highly I think of AJ.

Edit: I also don't think it's fair to spout conjecture as to her reasons for retiring (i.e. jmt's post).
 
Sam, I cant believe after all the late 90s WCW you have watched lately we really need to have an argument.


She does not touch prime Alundra Blayze/Madusa.

Like I said though, a lot of that is attributable to the gals both individuals had to work with
 
Yeah, I've totally been watching the women's matches. I mean, let's discuss our favourite ones - the ones that somebody who hadn't been watching the women's matches should go watch. You go first.
 
The shame I feel.



Spring Stampede 97, Great american Bash 97, Starrcade 96, Hog Wild 96, Slamborree 97.

Mid card mainstay, really. Matches are over as shit, and comparable to, say, a lot of the cruiswerweight matches back then.
 
Her slammy award speech makes me believe WWE knew about this at least since Dec.
 
Edit: I also don't think it's fair to spout conjecture as to her reasons for retiring (i.e. jmt's post).

You're right. It was my honest opinion but still unfair to jump to such a harsh conclusion, especially so bluntly.

Yeah, I've totally been watching the women's matches. I mean, let's discuss our favourite ones - the ones that somebody who hadn't been watching the women's matches should go watch. You go first.

The shame I feel.



Spring Stampede 97, Great american Bash 97, Starrcade 96, Hog Wild 96, Slamborree 97.

Mid card mainstay, really. Matches are over as shit, and comparable to, say, a lot of the cruiswerweight matches back then.

Honestly I never thought Madusa's work in WCW ever came close to comparing to her work in WWE as Alundra Blaze.

A couple of those matches she had against Bull Nakano were true classics, not just for women, but for wrestling period. Sam check out the match they had on the August 1, 1994 edition of Raw and then the match they had at Summerslam 1994. Both are so damn good.
 
It doesnt matter whether she is the best or worst female wrestler of this generation. It doesn't matter whether she is the best or worst female wrestler in history. It also doesn't matter whether you feel if she is underrated, overrated or somewhere in between. And finally it does not matter whether AJ was the most attractive diva in the company or the ugliest diva in the company. All that does matter is that for 2-3 years she singlehandedly kept that
division treading water.

Was she the best? Maybe, maybe not. But her importance to women's wrestling at this point in WWE cannot be dismissed. AJ Lee was the diva's division. What other diva has been involved in as many main event men's storylines as her? No woman in that company in the past 3-5 years compares to AJ.

If WWE is serious about this divas's division, this is a huge blow
 
Of course they are; Ask them.

They'll talk about the Bellas and then point to NXT where the upcoming crop of divas are the shitz (which they are at the moment).
 
Really enjoyed her work from 2012 to 2013. Just missed that one great rivalry to really put her over the top as a top women's wrestler of all time.

Can they now bring up Charlotte to destroy the Bellas a la Lesnar destroying the Hardys back in 02.
 
why are you hating on total divas? it's three best thing that has happened to the divas division in a long time, they've been treading water with the women since 2006

total divas is generating money.

those ppvs with aj involved in the mainevents didn't draw well in 2012 and raw ratings were bad as well.
 
One thing that has not been mentioned in this thread is her contribution towards making Bryan a great heel. Bryan constantly berating her and AJ's sad puppy faced reactions helped Bryan a lot during his run as the WHC.
 
I like AJ but considering the Divas division is all about putting over a couple of twins who can barely wrestle it's gonna be hard to miss her. It's not AJ's fault that I won't miss her it's just she hasn't been used enough or we'll enough to miss her.
 
They have a better one in Japan where the WWF Women's Title changes hands.

Indeed, 'twas a great match. They had many matches over the years in Japan, one of the great women's rivalries. It's awesome that the late 80s, early 90s joshi boom in Japan managed to extend to WWE and WCW in bits and pieces, giving us a few great matches here and there to cherish in our vaults. I'm looking at you Jumping Bomb Angels.

That division is dead as long as Kevin Dunn is around.

Dunn's time has come and gone and then some. Man needs to be as far away from decision making in the WWE as possible at this juncture.
 
Dunn's time has come and gone and then some. Man needs to be as far away from decision making in the WWE as possible at this juncture.

The list of things Kevin Dunn has done to effect the course of the WWE was staggering. Was reading a Meltzer article from a few years ago the other day regarding how things went down regarding ECW/WCW/WWF, and Dunn pretty much changed the course of history when he got into Vince's ear.
 
The list of things Kevin Dunn has done to effect the course of the WWE was staggering. Was reading a Meltzer article from a few years ago the other day regarding how things went down regarding ECW/WCW/WWF, and Dunn pretty much changed the course of history when he got into Vince's ear.

Link?
 

Chunk of the article relating to this below:

The idea at the time was that WWF would continue to operate WCW as a separate entity. It would be Shane McMahon’s WCW (later expanded into a unit with Stephanie McMahon’s ECW in a quickly changing and eventually failing storyline) against Vince McMahon’s WWF.

The idea was that Vince McMahon would be caught with his pants down, with WCW’s Torrie Wilson, and Linda McMahon would catch him. This angle actually did air, but all the follow-up was abruptly dropped and never referred to again.

The on-camera storyline of Vince and Linda’s divorce would lead to Linda getting control of Monday night on USA in the dividing of the family assets. She would side with a babyface Shane, and WCW would continue as a separate group on the USA Network.

The WWF brand would use Thursday nights on UPN for Smackdown, as its flagship.

That showed how serious the company was, at first. You have to understand the situation in 2001 at the time. When Vince McMahon laid out his plans to me, his key point was that WCW would need help at first. WWF was established and on fire. In his mind, WCW would have to get the primary time slot to be perceived as an even match-up as opposed to a secondary brand. However, when it later came to actual practice, in booking, WCW’s stars were clearly positioned as not being on the same level of WWF’s stars. The argument was made that WCW didn’t have the stars who could compete, but it’s pro wrestling and you make the best of what you have. In addition, the obvious way to set up the big change, WCW getting the Monday USA time slot, would be to set up a major match for the slot that WCW wins. Instead, no such match giving them that credibility was to take place. Instead, WCW was supposed to get Monday based on breaking up of assets in a storyline divorce of Vince and Linda McMahon.

The feeling was the WWF brand was at an all-time peak, and in those days, the viewership on Thursdays for Smackdown was often ahead of that of Raw. Other company executives noted that there could be no failure with WCW. Vince and the company had a highly publicized failure in the XFL, and simply could not afford a failed relaunch of WCW, because that would be a failure in their own field.

In addition, Vince felt that by running the same stars every Monday and Thursday, that he was in danger of burning out the talent to the public. This would move back to where the stars would only be seen once a week on television. He continued that thought after the dropping of the WCW angle, with the brand extension and separate rosters for Raw and Smackdown. Eventually his thoughts were different and the same talent appeared for the most part on both shows.

Touring schedules with those marching orders had already been put together with arenas booked for “Shane McMahon’s WCW,” including Monday TV tapings. But it was on the first night of the beginning of the angle, in Tacoma, when the WWF fan base were so completely negative on everything WCW, including a test run match of Booker T vs. Buff Bagwell with Scott Hudson and Arn Anderson as announcers, that Vince changed his mind on everything.

I can recall that Monday night watching just how badly the crowd reacted, talking to a high ranking WWF executive about how, knowing Vince, that reaction being so negative was probably going to make him drop the idea.

I was told it was impossible, because everything had been laid out, with schedules, rosters, etc.

The next morning, Vince made the call his inner circle said he wouldn’t. He ordered everything changed. WCW would not continue as a separate company, but would just be used as an invading heel group in a feud with WWF. Not too many weeks later, with the Stephanie McMahon buying ECW storyline, it was “The Alliance” of WCW and ECW against WWF. The storyline was one of pro wrestling’s all-time disappointments. Few remember that the first PPV, called “Invasion,” did 775,000 buys, at the time the third biggest of all-time behind only the 2000 and 2001 WrestleManias. But ratings were falling weekly.

Behind the scenes, Kevin Dunn had convinced Vince McMahon that they had spent decades building up the WWF brand, and thus the idea of treating outsiders equal would undermine all they had created.

Even before the Tacoma disaster, Dunn was in McMahon’s ear about how the WCW guys coming in shouldn’t be beating the WWF guys in the ring because it would send the message that WWF wasn’t always the best, which may be why the idea of winning Monday night in the ring was not planned.

While WCW did get some wins, from the start, when WCW needed the early wins for credibility, not only didn’t that happen but some of the early matches were outright squashes.

By November, the storyline was dropped. To this day, WWE and pro wrestling in general in this country has never reached that level of real mainstream interest and popularity, whether it came to ratings, attendance or consistent PPV numbers, as the boom period that ended at that time.

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/class...-wcw-attempt-keeping-ecw-alive-long-read.html
 

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