A Very Regal Three Hour RAW: King Of The Ring LD - 11/29/10

[Big Sexy]

Some thoughts on the tourney. Overall it wasn't bad, though I didn't want to see Sheamus win. I didn't like Big Zeke being a part of the double count out as I thought it would have been better for him to crush McIntyre and then have Sheamus get a cheap count out victory over him, but I do understand the reasoning as they wanted a fresh Sheamus against a tired John Morrison.

Alberto Del Rio is really starting to grow on me. I already was a fan of the guy but he keeps getting better every week. Hopefully his feud with Rey ends soon so he can move on to bigger and better things. He has a JBL type character but I think he does it better then JBL ever did.

 

[Coco]

The fact that you're on a wrestling forum live discussion of a wrestling event. If you aren't watching, then you're trolling. Isn't that infraction-able?

Can't be any worse than playing mod.

you mentioned good guys always looking better then the bad guys. I proved you wrong with multiple examples from tonight where bad guys won cleanly over good guys. The only "unclean" finisher tonight was the Main Event, and you said every heel wins dirty. I proved YOU wrong, actually. Now shut the fuck up, and go away, since you're being worse then Shattered Dreams (which is nearly impossible).

EXACT quote:

Everything Miz has ever done, and really any modern heel ever does, is one giant concession that they can't beat top babyfaces on an even field.

How about arguing with what I'm actually saying, dullard?

As Doug said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It obviously has worked for years, since WWE is still a profitable company, and they are pumping out more programming then ever, and still putting asses in seats.

Dancing With The Stars puts asses in seats too. Doesn't mean it's not shit.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Some thoughts on the tourney. Overall it wasn't bad, though I didn't want to see Sheamus win. I didn't like Big Zeke being a part of the double count out as I thought it would have been better for him to crush McIntyre and then have Sheamus get a cheap count out victory over him, but I do understand the reasoning as they wanted a fresh Sheamus against a tired John Morrison.

I agree about Zeke. However, it was the best case scenario given the brackets. They didn't want Zeke to face Sheamus, since Zeke losing (which he would) would hurt his push, while the double Countout doesn't do much damage to it, if at all. Especially since after the match he continued the assault on Drew.

Alberto Del Rio is really starting to grow on me. I already was a fan of the guy but he keeps getting better every week. Hopefully his feud with Rey ends soon so he can move on to bigger and better things. He has a JBL type character but I think he does it better then JBL ever did.

I'm really digging my limited exposure to ADR (I don't watch much Smackdown). I understand the similarities to JBL, but as a JBL fan I can't say he's out-JBLing JBL. JBL was one of (if not the) best things on all WWE TV during his prime (from the birth of the character through his title run).

 

[Coco]

you yourself said that wrestling has never been intellectually stimulating. Now you want it to be? It's been successful for 100 years being NOT intellectually stimulating, why change now? Your interests changed, and you no longer like wresting. That's fine. Just get the fuck out of a WRESTLING discussing then.

The notion that wrestling can't be both intellectually stimulating AND successful is a cop-out. If people loved themselves enough to demand better, we could have both.

I'm not giving up on you guys.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Imagine if the IWC booked RAW? It would be full of heel turns and everyone returning without build up.

Just like it used to be, when you never knew what to expect. Raw is live, it gives it an anything can happen feel, if nothing really ever does happen (Outside of the occasional cash-ins) the shit gets predictable, especially when you start having return promos saying "Triple H returns in 3 weeks".

It doesn't fucking mean anything anymore, and it's all about the money. So they hype it up, instead of forcing us to watch with compelling television, they force us to watch because they let us know when it's going to happen. If say a TV show like Lost were to give everything away in the second season, would people still care to watch it?

Blue Cardinal, you're my boy, I love you, but you couldn't be more wrong. Miz is not booked as weak, he is smaller in stature than anyone else, including Lawler, so yeah interference, big deal. He's not being booked as weak, he's being booked the same way he was a year ago, and I only see him moving up.

If you want to look at someone who was booked as a weak champion, look no further than when CM Punk won his first World Title in the WWE.

 

[shattered dreams]

Bristol Palin would be a more credible champ than Miz

 

[Big Sexy]

I'm really digging my limited exposure to ADR (I don't watch much Smackdown). I understand the similarities to JBL, but as a JBL fan I can't say he's out-JBLing JBL. JBL was one of (if not the) best things on all WWE TV during his prime (from the birth of the character through his title run).

Not sure why but I've never been a JBL fan. I loved Bradshaw in the APA but once he became JBL I just never got into his character.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Can't be any worse than playing mod.

Since I wasn't playing mod, that has no affect on me.

How about arguing with what I'm actually saying, dullard?

OK then. Sheamus. Triple H. Nuff said. Kane. Mysterio. Nuff said.

Shut the hell up.

Dancing With The Stars puts asses in seats too. Doesn't mean it's not shit.[/quote]
I hate Dancing With The Stars. However, the HUUUUUGE ratings it pulls would mean that it is, in fact FAR from shit. It's not intellectually stimulating television, but NON-INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING TELEVISION =/= SHIT TELEVISION, JUST LIKE INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING TELEVISION =/= GOOD TELEVISION. OR VICE VERSA.

If you want to be intellectually stimulated, watch the history channel, or read a fucking book. Don't watch professional wrestling. And don't comment on professional wrestling.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Just like it used to be, when you never knew what to expect. Raw is live, it gives it an anything can happen feel, if nothing really ever does happen (Outside of the occasional cash-ins) the shit gets predictable, especially when you start having return promos saying "Triple H returns in 3 weeks".

It doesn't fucking mean anything anymore, and it's all about the money. So they hype it up, instead of forcing us to watch with compelling television, they force us to watch because they let us know when it's going to happen. If say a TV show like Lost were to give everything away in the second season, would people still care to watch it?

Blue Cardinal, you're my boy, I love you, but you couldn't be more wrong. Miz is not booked as weak, he is smaller in stature than anyone else, including Lawler, so yeah interference, big deal. He's not being booked as weak, he's being booked the same way he was a year ago, and I only see him moving up.

If you want to look at someone who was booked as a weak champion, look no further than when CM Punk won his first World Title in the WWE.

This man speaks the fucking truth.

Are we really arguing wrestling with DWTS? For fucks sake man....

 

[shattered dreams]

The notion that wrestling can't be both intellectually stimulating AND successful is a cop-out. If people loved themselves enough to demand better, we could have both.

I'm not giving up on you guys.

I'll sign your petition. We should at least get the signatures of everyone that has been called a sidious which would be a nice start.

 

[Stormtrooper]

The notion that wrestling can't be both intellectually stimulating AND successful is a cop-out. If people loved themselves enough to demand better, we could have both.

No, Wrestling can't be intellectually stimulating. It's pseudo-sport/action. Action isn't intellectually stimulating. Besides, no one watches wrestling for intellectual stimulation. They watch it because it ISN'T intellectually stimulated.

I'm not giving up on you guys.

Please do "give up on us". We DON'T need to be saved, so no need for you to try.

Not sure why but I've never been a JBL fan. I loved Bradshaw in the APA but once he became JBL I just never got into his character.

I loved APA Bradshaw too, but once he went Wall Street, I fell in love with the character more. That being said, I wish we could somehow get a return of the APA for one night only.

 

[Stormtrooper]

I'll sign your petition. We should at least get the signatures of everyone that has been called a sidious which would be a nice start.

You want wrestling to be intellectually stimulating, yet you watch TNA? lulz.

 

[Coco]

OK then. Sheamus. Triple H.

Triple H beat Sheamus clean at Mania. Sheamus needed to used dirty tactics to win at Extreme Rules. I still win.

Kane. Mysterio. Nuff said.

Mysterio's never been a real headliner. Heaven's sake, John Morrison's beaten Mysterio. He's nothing.

Shut the hell up.

Too much of a spineless pussy to contine?

I hate Dancing With The Stars. However, the HUUUUUGE ratings it pulls would mean that it is, in fact FAR from shit. It's not intellectually stimulating television, but NON-INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING TELEVISION =/= SHIT TELEVISION, JUST LIKE INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING TELEVISION =/= GOOD TELEVISION. OR VICE VERSA.

Oh, look: WWE Shareholder mentality has returned to WrestleZone.

Do you actually enjoy anything, you fucking robot? Or are you just another of the soulless puppets who dances when people put money in Vince's pocket?

 

[Coco]

No, Wrestling can't be intellectually stimulating. It's pseudo-sport/action. Action isn't intellectually stimulating. Besides, no one watches wrestling for intellectual stimulation. They watch it because it ISN'T intellectually stimulated.

Who doesn't want to be intellectually stimulated? What are you? A robot?

Also, anything can be intellectually stimulating if written properly. Your lack of faith in wrestling is sad. Probably has something to do with you not being breastfed and not loving yourself.

 

[shattered dreams]

Miz win "justified" because he works hard. Lawler title shot "justified" because its his birthday. I can only wait to see Hornswoggle get a shot next week because he won the Uno game backstage.

 

[shattered dreams]

You want wrestling to be intellectually stimulating, yet you watch TNA? lulz.

Well, you have said 12 times WWE isn't so why not give TNA a chance?

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Miz win "justified" because he works hard. Lawler title shot "justified" because its his birthday. I can only wait to see Hornswoggle get a shot next week because he won the Uno game backstage.

I love TNA, but it's almost about as justified as Matt Morgan getting a title shot at last months PPV, only because Anderson was hurt. Dude, put the sauce down.

 

[shattered dreams]

Are you really comparing Matt Morgan to Jerry Lawler in 2010?

 

[Marky-Marc]

Well, you have said 12 times WWE isn't so why not give TNA a chance?

We've given TNA a chance and it sucks every single week.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Are you really comparing Matt Morgan to Jerry Lawler in 2010?

Ok you have no comprehension. Morgan hated Anderson...HATED HIM. But all of a sudden he stands up for him, because one of his brothers in arms gives him a concussion, and gets rewarded a title shot. How can you hate someone so much, but then stand up for them? Mustve been his birthday too.

 

[shattered dreams]

When did Morgan hate Anderson? Anyway that is not the type of justified we are talking about. You are saying the story isn't seamless which is obviously due to the injury. The reason Morgan is justified is that he is a huge athletic dude. Precisely the type of guy that is believable in getting a title shot. His kayfabe character justifies it, not some random babbling about shit that is irrelevant to the kayfabe world of the show.

 

[Big Sexy]

Matt Morgan is horrendous. Being big and athletic doesn't mean much when you're shit.

 

[shattered dreams]

Care to elaborate? Being big, possibly athletic and shit is part of that "proven" wwe formula, isn't it?

 

[Big Sexy]

I never said the WWE didn't have similar types of guys. Morgan is just exceptionally bad. I've never seen him have a good match, despite many opportunities, with the exception of his match with Kurt Angle (which isn't saying much considering it's hard to have a bad match with Angle). He is also just atrocious on the mic. He was more entertaining stuttering in the WWE then he is currently cutting promos. At least back then I was laughing at him for the right reasons. TNA has some good, young talent but Morgan just isn't one of those guys.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Care to elaborate? Being big, possibly athletic and shit is part of that "proven" wwe formula, isn't it?

You say this, yet WWE had Morgan, they didnt find anything good about him.

In TNA anyone can be a star, just look at Curry Man.