A question for the men

[HBK-aholic]

Turns out I have less to say about this than I thought, without jumping to unnecessary conclusions that is.

I just want to ask KB and to an lesser extent, Becca, a question: Why do you behave the way you do towards these certain members? This aura of self-righteousness (even if you are right, in the case of Rock Lesnar) and with it, this pretension to inflict humiliation onto others you disagree with isn't exactly an attitude many would consider healthy for the forum. Sure, those not in the firing line can have a laugh at it, particularly if the poster deserves it, but otherwise, you come across as megalomaniacs, which I did notice in the case of deanerandterry.

You mean, why do I behave the way I do to Rock Lesnar, a poster I hadn't conversed with until he referred to me as a bitch? If you have to ask, I can't explain.

Regarding dearnerandterry, if you're going to express nonsense, I can call you out for it; not that I said anything particularly awful to him, considering it was the Bar Room. And as you'll see, I had civil discussions with the people in that thread who were not spouting nonsense and lying through their teeth to sound better when called out.

 

[klunderbunker]

Turns out I have less to say about this than I thought, without jumping to unnecessary conclusions that is.

I just want to ask KB and to an lesser extent, Becca, a question: Why do you behave the way you do towards these certain members? This aura of self-righteousness (even if you are right, in the case of Rock Lesnar) and with it, this pretension to inflict humiliation onto others you disagree with isn't exactly an attitude many would consider healthy for the forum. Sure, those not in the firing line can have a laugh at it, particularly if the poster deserves it, but otherwise, you come across as megalomaniacs, which I did notice in the case of deanerandterry.

Because we're smart enough to make people foolish people look even stupider than they already do.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

You mean, why do I behave the way I do to Rock Lesnar, a poster I hadn't conversed with until he referred to me as a bitch? If you have to ask, I can't explain.

Regarding dearnerandterry, if you're going to express nonsense, I can call you out for it; not that I said anything particularly awful to him, considering it was the Bar Room. And as you'll see, I had civil discussions with the people in that thread who were not spouting nonsense and lying through their teeth to sound better when called out.

With regards to Rock Lesnar, I'd just laugh it off. It's one of those things that's not worth your time of day. I found myself liking some of what he posts here, but him calling you a bitch was pretty stupid.

With regards to deaner, while I generally disagreed with him in the thread, I didn't really think he toed the line, at least to the point of deserving a name change and basically being shunned for aggressively debating a subject. The debate got heated on both ends of things, let's be honest here, it just so happens you and KB are the ones in the power position here.

To be honest, this applies less to you than I find KB, especially given a dig through the archives. You seem to have changed a lot as a poster. Whether that's a bad thing or a good thing, I can't really comment on as it's a matter of perspective. But there definitely seems to be more of a KB-style of posting to you.

Because we're smart enough to make people foolish people look even stupider than they already do.

Here's the thing though: Do so with your words, and not your actions. Actions don't make you anymore right or wrong. It takes true proficiency to convince as opposed to intimidate.

I forgot whether it was Sam or Tasty who said it, but even though I agreed with you on the WZT controversy from what I heard of it, you do have a tendency to assume you are correct on things from the offset. There's a difference between having conviction in your positions and automatically assuming you are correct on something.

 

[klunderbunker]

Here's the thing though: Do so with your words, and not your actions. Actions don't make you anymore right or wrong. It takes true proficiency to convince as opposed to intimidate.

I forgot whether it was Sam or Tasty who said it, but even though I agreed with you on the WZT controversy from what I heard of it, you do have a tendency to assume you are correct on things from the offset. There's a difference between having conviction in your positions and automatically assuming you are correct on something.

Or they could not leave because their precious name has been changed and their worthless thread been closed. It's almost like one was overreacting and the other was talking about hitting my wife in the face. Not exactly rational people worth conversing with.

Ah yes the tournament. The time where I can put in more effort than anyone else while everyone else screams conspiracy because it's not how they want it to go. How tragic.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

Or they could not leave because their precious name has been changed and their worthless thread been closed. It's almost like one was overreacting and the other was talking about hitting my wife in the face. Not exactly rational people worth conversing with.

You're trying to justify intimidation tactics though. It doesn't matter that you consider these people not worth conversing with, to enact your powers on these people in this way is a way for you to try and win an argument and nothing more.

It's OK to lose arguments. It's OK to have a stalemate. You don't need to enforce actions upon people for the sake of presenting yourself as correct and them as incorrect. Let that stand to the perception of others instead of altering how people view them, just because you're in a position of power, and they're not.

Ah yes the tournament. The time where I can put in more effort than anyone else while everyone else screams conspiracy because it's not how they want it to go. How tragic.

I agree with you, and you deserve kudos for your efforts. But it's not The Ides Of March.

 

[klunderbunker]

You're trying to justify intimidation tactics though.

I don't have to justify them. Don't treat people like garbage or say a bunch of nonsense and you have nothing to worry about.

It doesn't matter that you consider these people not worth conversing with, to enact your powers on these people in this way is a way for you to try and win an argument and nothing more.

There was no argument in either case.

It's OK to lose arguments. It's OK to have a stalemate. You don't need to enforce actions upon people for the sake of presenting yourself as correct and them as incorrect. Let that stand to the perception of others instead of altering how people view them, just because you're in a position of power, and they're not.

Yeah....hitting a woman because she's outsmarting you and SCREW THE LAW IT'S ALL ABOUT ME isn't winning arguments.

I agree with you, and you deserve kudos for your efforts. But it's not The Ides Of March.

And this is nothing I'm going to pay attention to.

 

[HBK-aholic]

With regards to Rock Lesnar, I'd just laugh it off. It's one of those things that's not worth your time of day. I found myself liking some of what he posts here, but him calling you a bitch was pretty stupid.

I had nothing against him until about 18 hours ago when he decided to attack me, I didn't even know who he was. I laughed it off in the sense it in no way affected my life, but I'm also going to give as good as I get.

With regards to deaner, while I generally disagreed with him in the thread, I didn't really think he toed the line, at least to the point of deserving a name change and basically being shunned for aggressively debating a subject. The debate got heated on both ends of things, let's be honest here,

I adore a heated debate; I was moderator of the Symposium for that reason, and I green repped the other 2 people I was debating with. What I don't like is deanerandterry's lies in that thread. His lies, not his opinions, which are different.

Just a couple of examples: He has used the womens restroom hundreds of times. Later changed to less than a hundred, and a majority of them were when he was working, rather than an urgent need to use the bathroom.

That the bar he works at is longer than several football fields, as apparently it'd take him 20 minutes to walk to the mens room from the womens.

That suddenly when called out for his lack of caring for anyone else, a 'medical issue' was brought up. Maybe true, maybe not, but very conveniently only mentioned when he was called out for lack of respect.

That he frequents an insane amount of places where the mens line is so much longer than the womens, that he couldn't possibly wait. I don't know about you, but I may have seen that once in my life, usually it is the complete opposite.

That he knows without a doubt all the women he has ever met, or shared a bathroom with, were totally comfortable with him there.

That, while he apparently SO URGENTLY needs to use the bathroom, he cannot possibly wait to use the mens room, yet can knock on the womens restroom, wait for someone to go to the door, explain the situation to each woman in there, and ensure their comfort. Which is a) bullshit, and b) only mentioned when he is called out. Again.

And they are just from memory.

it just so happens you and KB are the ones in the power position here.

KB is, I'm not, and, contrary to popular belief, I didn't ask him to rename deanerandterry, and actually told him not to imprison Rock Lesnar. He's the admin, and he does what he wants to, it has nothing to do with me.

Aside from when I told him to release Rock Lesnar. He listened then.

To be honest, this applies less to you than I find KB, especially given a dig through the archives. You seem to have changed a lot as a poster. Whether that's a bad thing or a good thing, I can't really comment on as it's a matter of perspective. But there definitely seems to be more of a KB-style of posting to you.

I have changed as a poster, because I joined these forums 9 years ago at age 16. And I stopped posted with any regularity maybe 5/6 years ago. Better/worse, everyone will have their opinions.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I don't have to justify them. Don't treat people like garbage or say a bunch of nonsense and you have nothing to worry about.

So you're complacent with the fact that you have to resort to intimidation tactics in order for people to fully appreciate your argument?

Here's a suggestion: If you actually have well-placed confidence in your rhetoric, actually let it stand instead of resorting to actions. It's like punching someone in the face because you think they did something stupid. You may be in the right, but punching them added nothing and just makes you look insecure.

There was no argument in either case.

Umm, yes there was. Don't try and play it up as if it wasn't.

Yeah....hitting a woman because she's outsmarting you and SCREW THE LAW IT'S ALL ABOUT ME isn't winning arguments.

They're bad arguments, I agree. And I think most here would agree, in particular with Rock's argument. Using your position of power in both cases adds no positive contribution other to fuel your own self-righteousness and maybe getting a laugh or two.

And this is nothing I'm going to pay attention to.

How insecure are you? It's fine to have self-confidence in yourself, but not at the detriment of at least acknowledging constructive criticism when presented to you.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I had nothing against him until about 18 hours ago when he decided to attack me, I didn't even know who he was. I laughed it off in the sense it in no way affected my life, but I'm also going to give as good as I get.

That's fair and I have no reason to doubt you. Your response just seemed as if he got under your skin a little bit, when it really should just be pitied.

I adore a heated debate; I was moderator of the Symposium for that reason, and I green repped the other 2 people I was debating with. What I don't like is deanerandterry's lies in that thread. His lies, not his opinions, which are different.


Just a couple of examples: He has used the womens restroom hundreds of times. Later changed to less than a hundred, and a majority of them were when he was working, rather than an urgent need to use the bathroom.

That's probably more initial hyperbole to make a point than a flat-out lie. I'm very much guilty of this in my Daily Express thread.

That the bar he works at is longer than several football fields, as apparently it'd take him 20 minutes to walk to the mens room from the womens.

Again, probably hyperbole, I don't necessarily think he was lying, at least with malicious intent.

That suddenly when called out for his lack of caring for anyone else, a 'medical issue' was brought up. Maybe true, maybe not, but very conveniently only mentioned when he was called out for lack of respect.

People do often keep those things close to home and only bring them out in an argument if necessary. No reason to doubt him here.

That he frequents an insane amount of places where the mens line is so much longer than the womens, that he couldn't possibly wait. I don't know about you, but I may have seen that once in my life, usually it is the complete opposite.

Your anecdote is supported by my own anecdote, but let's not immediately doubt him on it. Maybe the places he frequents have a lot more men than women there. It's unlikely, but it could be true.

That he knows without a doubt all the women he has ever met, or shared a bathroom with, were totally comfortable with him there.

He's wrong, but I wouldn't call it a lie as much as a mis-peception.

That, while he apparently SO URGENTLY needs to use the bathroom, he cannot possibly wait to use the mens room, yet can knock on the womens restroom, wait for someone to go to the door, explain the situation to each woman in there, and ensure their comfort. Which is a) bullshit, and b) only mentioned when he is called out. Again.

Making sure he's covering his tracks, perhaps a bit too carefully. Not a lie.

KB is, I'm not, and, contrary to popular belief, I didn't ask him to rename deanerandterry, and actually told him not to imprison Rock Lesnar. He's the admin, and he does what he wants to, it has nothing to do with me.

Aside from when I told him to release Rock Lesnar. He listened then.

You're a beneficiary from the power is what's safe to say here. Whilst you don't wield the power, you can in some ways influence it. Not to suggest that you use it for malice, I have no reason to suspect you do, but you are amongst the top echelon on this forum.

I have changed as a poster, because I joined these forums 9 years ago at age 16. And I stopped posted with any regularity maybe 5/6 years ago. Better/worse, everyone will have their opinions.

Fair enough. Changing is a normal thing, it just seems a fair amount different compared to your previous, more recent posts before your recent return.

 

[Stone Cold Tea]

Or they could not leave because their precious name has been changed and their worthless thread been closed. It's almost like one was overreacting and the other was talking about hitting my wife in the face. Not exactly rational people worth conversing with.

Ah yes the tournament. The time where I can put in more effort than anyone else while everyone else screams conspiracy because it's not how they want it to go. How tragic.

Orrrrr you could be a Pusssssy arse drunk arse trick stick bitch

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

You're really not helping yourself here.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Orrrrr you could be a Pusssssy arse drunk arse trick stick bitch

Is not responding that difficult?

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

Milenko is the kind of fish that will bite the hook with no bait on it.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Milenko is the kind of fish that will bite the hook with no bait on it.

Any reasoning behind this or are you still stuck in the past like most of the people who think insulting me is still the cool thing to do?

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

Your replies in this thread speak for themselves, unintentional or not.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I'll be honest, Milenko's improved a lot from five years ago.

Then again, I wasn't around to experience 2011 Milenko first-hand.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

I'll be honest, Milenko's improved a lot from five years ago.

Then again, I wasn't around to experience 2011 Milenko first-hand.

It was bad. Think of one of the worst prisoners (minus the rule breaking) only all over the forum.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I've mostly just heard tales. But you seem to be a lot more grounded than I expected you to be. And you've improved a lot from what I've seen of you in the archives. Hell, Coco told you himself before he got banned that you aren't a bad guy.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Everyone has to grow up some time. It just took me longer than most.

Getting rid of the drugs helped as well

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

What drugs, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Mostly pot & alcohol which I don't think are bad I just had no self control so I finally realized I can't handle them and needed to quit

Also dabbled in pills when I could get my hands on them which thankfully wasn't to often.

 

[klunderbunker]

So you're complacent with the fact that you have to resort to intimidation tactics in order for people to fully appreciate your argument?

No. I'm complacent with the fact that I can do it and they can't. If you have an issue with that, I really don't care.

Here's a suggestion: If you actually have well-placed confidence in your rhetoric, actually let it stand instead of resorting to actions. It's like punching someone in the face because you think they did something stupid. You may be in the right, but punching them added nothing and just makes you look insecure.

Or, another perspective:

I changed his name to a fecal joke on a wrestling forum and it really doesn't deserve this much thinking.

Umm, yes there was. Don't try and play it up as if it wasn't.

Actually I will. Now if I were insecure or whatever I apparently am, I'd change your name to fall in or something around now.

They're bad arguments, I agree. And I think most here would agree, in particular with Rock's argument. Using your position of power in both cases adds no positive contribution other to fuel your own self-righteousness and maybe getting a laugh or two.

Indeed. I had a good laugh both times. That's the extent of how much I care about either of these schnooks.

How insecure are you? It's fine to have self-confidence in yourself, but not at the detriment of at least acknowledging constructive criticism when presented to you.

Hmm.....the most successful poster ever around here.....yeah I'm pretty secure in that.

Your criticisms have been as constructive as the construction worker in the Village People.

 

[klunderbunker]

Orrrrr you could be a Pusssssy arse drunk arse trick stick bitch

Never had a drop of alcohol so probably not.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

No. I'm complacent with the fact that I can do it and they can't. If you have an issue with that, I really don't care.

I'm pretty sure a fair few people have an issue with it, and not just me. In fact, I imagine I'm more moderate about it than a few others. If you really don't care, than you're just being deliberately obtuse.

Or, another perspective:

I changed his name to a fecal joke on a wrestling forum and it really doesn't deserve this much thinking.

Except when you force a respected user to leave (which I have heard isn't unheard of from your previous actions), then yes, it does deserve an element of thinking.

Actually I will. Now if I were insecure or whatever I apparently am, I'd change your name to fall in or something around now.

Not entirely unheard of to be frank.

Indeed. I had a good laugh both times. That's the extent of how much I care about either of these schnooks.

I'm talking about from the perspective of other users here. Though I suppose your own personal amusement is a priority as opposed to presenting yourself in a respectable manner.

Hmm.....the most successful poster ever around here.....yeah I'm pretty secure in that.

Your criticisms have been as constructive as the construction worker in the Village People.

You do realise you aren't infallible, right?

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm pretty sure a fair few people have an issue with it, and not just me. In fact, I imagine I'm more moderate about it than a few others. If you really don't care, than you're just being deliberately obtuse.

Let them. I really don't care.

Except when you force a respected user to leave (which I have heard isn't unheard of from your previous actions), then yes, it does deserve an element of thinking.

You mean Gelgarin? The guy who is back, as people predicted he would be?

Other than that I see no respected posters.

Not entirely unheard of to be frank.

You want to be frank? Deal.

I'm talking about from the perspective of other users here. Though I suppose your own personal amusement is a priority as opposed to presenting yourself in a respectable manner.

Who in the world thinks I'm respectable?

You do realise you aren't infallible, right?

I'm......pretty sure I am actually.