50 reasons why Kevin Nash is better than CM Punk

[AnthonyM4]

Some of the points the OP made are good, but I'd rather watch Punk wrestle on a bad day then Nash on a good day. Kevin Nash's booking is one of the reasons wcw died. Punk never booked a promotion to oblivion. I don't think he ever will either. WWE put out a best of Punk dvd. I doubt we will ever see one of Nash. There not going to release one dvd of just two matches on it!

 

[Nate DaMac]

Obviously another butthurt CM Punk fanboy. Go figure...

What, couldn't find any "U mad?" memes? Why do you even exist?

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

GUYS!

Neither of them are busy getting a push or even on WWE TV, so why are they bothering you so much? Don't fight over guys who are off TV.

Isn't that the whole point of the WZ Tournament for the most part?

We're nerds on a forum that over analyse wrestling. Of course we're going to take stuff too seriously.

 

[Dirk]

Isn't that the whole point of the WZ Tournament for the most part?

We're nerds on a forum that over analyse wrestling. Of course we're going to take stuff too seriously.

Just think how much better that tourney will be if we all saved our irrelevant butthurt for then.

 

[Барбоса]

During the Monday Night Wars, the cool heel/anti hero was in vogue. Society had changed. It was a sign of the times. Good guy vs. bad guy was passé.

The biggest detriment today is that Vince McMahon still believes the patriotic red, white & blue, wholesome babyface is the way to go. This isn't the 1980's anymore.

Fans should decide who is a babyface or heel based on how they perceive a talent & their actions. In reality nobody is 100% percent white & nobody is 100% black, there is only shades of grey.

Did you watch Breaking Bad? Walter White was neither a babyface or a heel...

WWE & people like you need to get with the times. You're out of touch.

I fully understand the Shades of Grey idea but when it comes to wrestling, particularly in the case of the NWO, there should not be any cool heels.

Cool heel is in fact basically an oxymoron. If they are to be considered "cool," they need to be a face. Considering that there is usually only two sides to any wrestling feud, what does that leave their opponents to be? Dull faces, that the fans have no interest in. At times it became a problem with the Horsemen. It became a major issue with the NWO.

And to say that the patriotic, wholesome character has no place at the top of the wrestling business is ridiculous. The continued popularity of John Cena remains a testament to that.

Oh, and the story of Breaking Bad is the face Walter White turning heel only to then gain some redemption at the end. Motives don't really matter. He became a villain. Essentially, he plays the same role as Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader so to hold up White as some kind of paragon of grey and as the movie/TV industry catching up to what people want is incorrect.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

During the Monday Night Wars, the cool heel/anti hero was in vogue. Society had changed. It was a sign of the times. Good guy vs. bad guy was passé.

The biggest detriment today is that Vince McMahon still believes the patriotic red, white & blue, wholesome babyface is the way to go. This isn't the 1980's anymore.

Fans should decide who is a babyface or heel based on how they perceive a talent & their actions. In reality nobody is 100% percent white & nobody is 100% black, there is only shades of grey.

Did you watch Breaking Bad? Walter White was neither a babyface or a heel...

WWE & people like you need to get with the times. You're out of touch.

100% agreed. I have been saying this for a long time.

As Vince McMahon says in this video:

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Vince McMahon: We, in the WWF, think that you, the audience, are quite frankly, tired of having your "intelligence insulted". We also think that you're tired of the same old simplistic theory of "Good Guys VS Bad Guys". Surely the era of "The super-hero urge you to say your prayers and take your vitamins" is definitely, passe.

 

[obamartins]

Some of the points the OP made are good, but I'd rather watch Punk wrestle on a bad day then Nash on a good day. Kevin Nash's booking is one of the reasons wcw died. Punk never booked a promotion to oblivion. I don't think he ever will either. WWE put out a best of Punk dvd. I doubt we will ever see one of Nash. There not going to release one dvd of just two matches on it!

The $360 Billion (£221 Billion) merger, announced on 10th January 2000 between AOL and Time Warner, is widely viewed as one of the most significant failure of corporate activity in modern times. The merger's collapse was a result not only of the bursting of the dot-com bubble but also of the failings by AOL Time Warner management to ever actually integrate the two companies.

Rise & fall of WCW? it was the rise & fall of Time Warner/AOL. It was an implosion through the entire corporation. How can one subsidiary make it when the parent company is taking funds out that you make to stop the bleeding in other places?

The NBA’s Atlanta Hawks, NHL’s Atlanta Thrashers, MLB’s Atlanta Braves and operating rights to Philips Arena were eventually all sold also because the company went belly up.

How simple-minded & naive can one be to believe that Kevin Nash's booking contributed to the fall of WCW - even if it did in in the big picture it's irrelevant. A combination of a lack of support from Time Warner (due to Ted Turner's decreased influence), corporate sabotage from people who had never wanted WCW (Turner Broadcasting’s redheaded stepchild) to be successful in the first place, introduction of *EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization) etc. contributed to the fall of WCW.

*The emphasis of EBITDA means the easiest way to increase profits in the short run is by cutting expenses. Of course, that’s a very short-sighted approach. Looking at EBITDA instead of thinking about ways to grow the company can choke a business as many corporations, Time Warner/AOL in particular, eventually discovered.

Nash had to book without the star power of various top stars for extended periods of time e.g. Lex Luger (torn bicep), Scott Hall (personal problems), Hollywood Hogan (knee surgery), Bret Hart (bereavement leave), Goldberg (knee surgery/movie commitment/contract dispute), Scott Steiner (back & shoulder injuries). Nash was also handcuffed creatively by standards & practices & therefore was unable to compete with raunchy WWF Attitude content.

Eric Bischoff stated the following in Controversy Creates Cash in regards to giving Kevin Nash the book.

I’d lost my passion. I was so disillusioned and bitter and betrayed about everything that I didn’t have the desire to wrap my head around stories. In all the pressure of the situation, I couldn’t think of anything that excited me. I knew that meant I couldn’t come up with anything that would excite the audience either. We needed a fresh mind. Kevin Nash stepped up. He’d always been pretty creative, and he was the best person we had internally for the job. But he wasn’t a booker. With all the strong points he had, he remained a performer first, and thought like one. He also had to work under all of the ridiculous restrictions handed down from above, which made his job even harder. People criticized Kevin for using the position to get himself over. I don’t agree with that at all. If a performer is also functioning as the head writer, and the head writer knows that he needs to find a performer whom he can trust for a difficult part, who will he go to first? Himself. It’s unfortunate, but natural. I think Kevin wanted to be a success. There was a lot of discord in WCW at the time, and he knew that if he used himself in a difficult situation, he’d show up and give it one hundred percent, without bitching. That goes a long way when you’re working under that kind of pressure.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Holy crap, I wish I had such strong feelings for my family, friends, the world and even myself as the OP has for Kevin Nash.

Weird.

 

[nightmare]

This jackass again? Is he using this thread to write long winded love letters to Big Sexy in hopes that he reads them? Seriously man, you are trying to make Nash out to be waaaay more than he is\was. Calm down loverboy.


Also FYI obamamartinsheen, throwing jabs at Nate & Barbosa will not likely end well for you. Maybe you should just quit while you are behind.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Both are shit.

 

[obamartins]

This jackass again? Is he using this thread to write long winded love letters to Big Sexy in hopes that he reads them? Seriously man, you are trying to make Nash out to be waaaay more than he is\was. Calm down loverboy.


Also FYI obamamartinsheen, throwing jabs at Nate & Barbosa will not likely end well for you. Maybe you should just quit while you are behind.

You again!

Kevin Nash = IWC troll bait & you bit...& bit...& bit...& bit...& bit...& bit...

I created this thread & you've made more posts then me.

You're incapable of contributing the topic in an intelligent manner. You fail to find the funny side. You're attacking me with childish insults. In conclusion this thread has worked you up into a shoot - which was part of my intention.

I'll throw jabs at who I want kid & BTW I only throw them when they are thrown at me first. Anyway what's the worst that could happen? I get banned from WrestleZone forums? *Scott Hall wiggles fingers*

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

You again!

Kevin Nash = IWC troll bait & you bit...& bit...& bit...& bit...& bit...& bit...

I created this thread you've made more posts then me.

You're incapable of contributing the topic in an intelligent manner. You fail to find the funny side. You're attacking me with verbal insults. In conclusion this thread has worked you up into a shoot.

I'll throw jabs at who I want kid & BTW I only throw them they are thrown at me first. Anyway what's the worst that could happen? I get banned from WrestleZone forums? *Scott Hall wiggles fingers*

Fuck 'em all! You go boy! You defend Nash as much as you want. You've that right to like who the hell you want. Big Daddy Cool 4 life!

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Clearly he's an intelligent individual if he's calling his thread a shoot and everyone that disagrees with him a mark.

 

[nightmare]

He sure does confuse the meaning of words, huh. What a strange & angry little guy.

 

[Danger Burger]

Ha.

 

[nightmare]

I wonder what will happen when he meets his idol & Nash rejects his sexual advances? A strongly worded youtube video diary will surely follow.

 

[obamartins]

I wonder what will happen when he meets his idol & Nash rejects his sexual advances? A strongly worded youtube video diary will surely follow.

Closet homosexual in the house! You seem to enjoy talking about men on men action. Perhaps you need to visit a gloryhole so you can fantasise about CM Punk blowing you.

 

[Alex]

Closet homosexual in the house! You seem to enjoy talking about men on men action. Perhaps you need to visit a gloryhole so you can fantasise about CM Punk blowing you.

Says the person going on about how Kevin Nash is so much better than CM Punk

Onto who's better. Punk does stuff better than Nash and there's a few things Nash does/did better than Punk

 

[nightmare]

Closet homosexual in the house! You seem to enjoy talking about men on men action. Perhaps you need to visit a gloryhole so you can fantasise about CM Punk blowing you.

Spoken by the man who writes long winded tirades in defense of a currently irrelevant giant who calls himself Big Sexy. You sure do get overly defensive of those who dont share your love for your fantasy husband.

You do realize that this is a forum dedicated to the conversational topic of 'men on men' action, right smartmouth?

 

[ABMorales787]

How simple-minded & naive can one be to believe that Kevin Nash's booking contributed to the fall of WCW - even if it did in in the big picture it's irrelevant. A combination of a lack of support from Time Warner (due to Ted Turner's decreased influence), corporate sabotage from people who had never wanted WCW (Turner Broadcasting’s redheaded stepchild) to be successful in the first place, introduction of *EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization) etc. contributed to the fall of WCW.

And why was there a lack of support for WCW? Because it was shit. Otherwise, it would've been purchased by a party that didn't want to shut it down like the other sports franchises. But it clearly wasn't shit because of Nash. Just his booking and laziness.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

And why was there a lack of support for WCW? Because it was shit. Otherwise, it would've been purchased by a party that didn't want to shut it down like the other sports franchises. But it clearly wasn't shit because of Nash. Just his booking and laziness.

There was lack of support for WCW because AOL/Time Warner didn't wanted "wrestling" on their network.They considered it "low-brow".

 

[ABMorales787]

There was lack of support for WCW because AOL/Time Warner didn't wanted "wrestling" on their network.They considered it "low-brow".

It was up for sale. For very cheap money. And no one gave a shit. Why? Because it was shit. How about you people think for a bit? If WCW was in any shape to be profitable anyone would've jumped at the chance to buy it just like the other francises given that WWE just walked out of it's most successful year ever at that point. But no. It was bleeding money. Ratings plummeted. And the inmates ran the asylum. Just because AOL didn't like it, didn't mean no one else thought the same. WCW was just too far off for salvation. And Nash is a known contributor to that downfall.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

It was up for sale. For very cheap money. And no one gave a shit. Why? Because it was shit. How about you people think for a bit? If WCW was in any shape to be profitable anyone would've jumped at the chance to buy it just like the other francises given that WWE just walked out of it's most successful year ever at that point. But no. It was bleeding money. Ratings plummeted. And the inmates ran the asylum. Just because AOL didn't like it, didn't mean no one else thought the same. WCW was just too far off for salvation. And Nash is a known contributor to that downfall.

This is from an Eric Bischoff interview:

"When I left WCW in 1999, I was still under contract. They basically told me to go home, relax, and stay away from wrestling. It's called a Pay or Play, which was a provision in my agreement that says 'We don't have to let you out of your contract as long as we continue to pay you.' And I had like two or two-and-a-half years left on my deal. So I went out, I jumped in my plane. I went to Wyoming and I fished for about three months, had a great time. And… after that time I got a phone call from Turner and they asked me if I would consider coming back. I did, and in short order, I determined that they were more screwed up when I came back than they were when I left in terms of the way the company operated within Time Warner, meaning, my frustration and things leading up to me leaving on September of 1999, despite what the Internet says and what a lot of people who write books like to say. The truth of the matter is, from a financial point of view the company was still doing quite well. We only had one quarter out of 16 consecutive quarters where we didn't show a profit."

"The problem with WCW was that it really didn't fit within the Time Warner profile, meaning a lot of senior executives at the highest levels didn't want the company to be there and didn't support it. When I came back, that situation was a lot worse than when I came left originally. So, I left again, and basically I was honest with Brad Siegel, who I was dealing with at the time. And I said 'Brad, the company is so screwed up, no one's going to fix it. Why don't you let me buy it. And he laughed at me, he thought I was nuts. And I left again, I went home again. And about two months later they called me back and said 'If you're serious and you can raise the money, we'll talk to you.' So, I raised the money. And we had commitments from some of the biggest blue chip investment bankers on Wall Street supporting us and some very, very smart people.And we spent about six to eight months going through a process called Due Diligence, where you do all the things you would need to do to buy a company, going through the books and making sure the documents are all in order and all the crap that goes along with it. We had a deal in place, a letter of intent had been signed, everything was going fine..."

"Now, keep in mind, AOL was merging with Time Warner. And AOL assigned a guy by the name of Jamie Kellner who was the former head of the WB network under Time Warner, they assigned him to take over all of TBS and all of TNT. And the first thing that Jamie Kellner did was sit down and look over all the pending contracts that were on the desk, one of which was obviously ours, it was a big transaction. And the first thing that Jamie Kellner did was he looked at the deal that we had which said that we were going to acquire trademarks, copyrights, video libraries, all the things that Vince acquired, we were going to acquire all of that, and we were going to get a ten-year commitment from TBS to air WCW on their network. Kellner didn't want WCW on the network in any way, shape or form, he was absolutely dead set against wrestling, he didn't care how much money it made or didn't make. So he said 'Fine, you can sell the company to this group but you cannot give them television time, you cannot sell them the television time. Well, once you took the television part out of the deal, it really wasn't worth anything. Without television, that company wasn't worth anything to us. So we walked away from it. Quite frankly, we just walked away and Vince was able to come in and buy it for literally pennies on the dollar, just for the video library really, and copyrights and trademarks." Bischoff says that once Time Warner didn't want wrestling on any of its channels, Viacom already had a deal, and USA and Fox were against wrestling on their stations, there was really nowhere else to go to so the deal was worthless.

 

[obamartins]

@ProWrestlingFan

Great insight. Shame others can't come up to our level. Do you know the source of that Eric Bischoff interview?

In regards to you debating that guy...you can't argue with stupid.

 

[obamartins]

I received an infraction for flaming another user using a homophobic slur on page 10 yet ...

- It's wrong for me to be blatant using a homophobic slur but it's ok to subtly imply that I have homosexual feelings in a derogatory manner? like what the user d_henderson1810 did on Page 2 when he stated "Kevin knows that he has the OP waiting in bed for him". Anybody with half a brain knows this was meant in a derogatory manner.

- It's wrong for me to be blatant using a homophobic slur but it's ok to subtly imply that I have homosexual feelings in a derogatory manner? like what the user Galvatron did on Page 2 when he stated "This thread should be called 50 Reasons Why I'd Give Kevin Nash A Handjob". Anybody with half a brain knows this was meant in a derogatory manner.

- I was insulted by user Spidey on page 3 with the following comment "I remember TheWrestlingGurus handing the original uploader his ass on this vid. But in all honesty both Youtubers are pretty ******ed."

- The following derogatory remark was clearly aimed at myself on Page 4 by the user nightmare "Must be an annual inbred key party happening somewhere given the amount you lot seem to reproduce each year."

- I was insulted by user Spidey on page 4 with the following comment "lil bitch kid".

- It's wrong for me to be blatant using a homophobic slur but it's ok to subtly imply that I have homosexual feelings in a derogatory manner? like what the user Spidey did on Page 5 when he stated "Nobody cares that much for any wrestler except in terms of homoeroticism". Anybody with half a brain knows this was meant in a derogatory manner.

- I was insulted by user Spidey on page 6 with the following comment "Surely you know this since you spent a good deal of time going back and forth with the Gurus trying to prove who's vagina was tighter".

- I was insulted by user nightmare on page 8 with the following comment "This jackass again".

- It's wrong for me to be blatant using a homophobic slur but it's ok to subtly imply that I have homosexual feelings in a derogatory manner? like what the user nightmare did on Page 10 when he stated "I wonder what will happen when he meets his idol & Nash rejects his sexual advances?". Anybody with half a brain knows this was meant in a derogatory manner.

All I can say is I hope these other guys were also given infractions for flaming...