I feel so happy... a thread i created, not only going to 3 pages, but to be a home for the funniest rant i've ever fucking seen! Y 2 Jake, you are amazing, and i'm behind you 100% on this thing, Torrie Wilson, Cherry, Maryse, Kristal, Vickie Guerrero, all of these could have gone and i wouldn't give a flying fuck about it. But Ariel? Steph probably popped one of her boobs on the end of a sharp pencil and took it out on Shelly Martinez. Bitch.
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Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
Damn Jake you seem to have repressed feelings about this. LOL
I agree why the hell would they fire ariel she was actually doing something worthwhile in ECW. To me her Gimmick was very entertaining along with Kevin Thorn. But no Steph has to go fuck it up pretty royally I might add.
I really could give a shit less about the other wrestlers yeah they are good but they havent been used and it was bound to happen anyway.
I also expect more releases coming soon as well because Steph is on a major power trip right now.
A funny note though isnt it weird how when they fire wrestlers usually within two years they are hired ack and still not being used.
I agree why the hell would they fire ariel she was actually doing something worthwhile in ECW. To me her Gimmick was very entertaining along with Kevin Thorn. But no Steph has to go fuck it up pretty royally I might add.
I really could give a shit less about the other wrestlers yeah they are good but they havent been used and it was bound to happen anyway.
I also expect more releases coming soon as well because Steph is on a major power trip right now.
A funny note though isnt it weird how when they fire wrestlers usually within two years they are hired ack and still not being used.
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Well, not that it really means much either way, but add Henry Godwinn to the list. Anyway, Colamania hit it on the head, all these other pieces of eye candy..umm, well, not sure if you could call Vickie Eye Candy, but anywayts, they could go and I wouldn't shed a tear, but this shit with ariel sucks major dick. Who knows, maybe when her 90 day no compete expires, she can go to tNA and join James Mitchell, or be the leader of Seritonin, if they are still around, either way, stephanie is a dumb ass cunt, must be nice to get a high paying job from daddy.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
TMI!!! We didn't need to know that Y2Jake, that is the kind of image that will haunt me forever...No sleep for a week. Ariel is ok, but not that good. I like Torrie and Mickie james better, if they are canned Steph will find me on her doorstep with a steel chair and some barbedwire!
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
I feel I must say this as it is weird to say but in under a week, Stephanie McMahon-Levesque has made me miss the screw up that was Johnny Ace's tenure as head of Talent Relations. God I miss the man that was hiring worthless peices of crap like Batista and Khali. Now we have Stephanie McMahon-Levesque who gets wet for the same kind of guys that Vince gets a hard on for. Im not going to say much on Dan Rodimer, but he looks and acts in the ring almost like Randy Orton, but with less talent.
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Why Ariel Was Fired - Backstage Fight With Batista?
05/20/2007 by Ryan Clark
Partial Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
One of the most surprising names released, given the amount of television time devoted to her, was Ariel, real name Shelly Martinez. The release appears to be related to a backstage incident involving Martinez and Batista at last Tuesday's SmackDown tapings in Baltimore, Maryland.
The two of them got into an argument in front of a number of talents while watching the taping on a monitor backstage. Whatever the argument was about hasn't come out yet, but the feeling among those spoken to was that Martinez was defending herself against Batista. Seeing how she was on the wrong side of things politically, she ended up in the crosshairs of the company. When push came to shove, she became an enemy of Batista, who happens to be a friend of Triple H, husband of the woman who can now fire you.
Stephanie McMahon, who is now in charge of who gets fired and who gets hired, was never a fan of her. She also felt as though that she didn't have the "WWE Diva look." It also didn't help matters that she was a talent hand-picked by Paul Heyman for ECW when it was originally launched, and as we all know, Stephanie absolutely loathes Heyman. All those factors worked against her and she was shown the door.
With the departure of Ariel, Kevin Thorn has been told that he may be receiving a makeover/new look, which leads some to believe that the darker/vampire elements of his character will go away. There were a few people who felt that since ECW writer Dave Lagana isn't one to rock the boat, he's going to go with whatever WWE management wants, instead of trying to fight for the characters and making it work.
This is such bullshit, just because Ariel got into an argument with HHH's butt buddy, she gets fired. Notice how there isn't a whole lot of details about it...probably Batista hitting on her and she took exception. Not to mention, Stephanie is a child, letting her personal feelings for Paul haeyman get in the way of good buisiness decisions.
05/20/2007 by Ryan Clark
Partial Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
One of the most surprising names released, given the amount of television time devoted to her, was Ariel, real name Shelly Martinez. The release appears to be related to a backstage incident involving Martinez and Batista at last Tuesday's SmackDown tapings in Baltimore, Maryland.
The two of them got into an argument in front of a number of talents while watching the taping on a monitor backstage. Whatever the argument was about hasn't come out yet, but the feeling among those spoken to was that Martinez was defending herself against Batista. Seeing how she was on the wrong side of things politically, she ended up in the crosshairs of the company. When push came to shove, she became an enemy of Batista, who happens to be a friend of Triple H, husband of the woman who can now fire you.
Stephanie McMahon, who is now in charge of who gets fired and who gets hired, was never a fan of her. She also felt as though that she didn't have the "WWE Diva look." It also didn't help matters that she was a talent hand-picked by Paul Heyman for ECW when it was originally launched, and as we all know, Stephanie absolutely loathes Heyman. All those factors worked against her and she was shown the door.
With the departure of Ariel, Kevin Thorn has been told that he may be receiving a makeover/new look, which leads some to believe that the darker/vampire elements of his character will go away. There were a few people who felt that since ECW writer Dave Lagana isn't one to rock the boat, he's going to go with whatever WWE management wants, instead of trying to fight for the characters and making it work.
This is such bullshit, just because Ariel got into an argument with HHH's butt buddy, she gets fired. Notice how there isn't a whole lot of details about it...probably Batista hitting on her and she took exception. Not to mention, Stephanie is a child, letting her personal feelings for Paul haeyman get in the way of good buisiness decisions.
It's just going to be this way for many years to come guys. Unfortunately we're all going to have to make a decision whether to support this shit, or take our business elsewhere. Honestly, it's a fucking powertrip over at Titan towers. Firign people because they were defending themselves against an asshole who happens to help the boss's daughters husband to squats. What a bunch of horseshit. So Sabu gets fired because he stands by his principals, Conway gets fired because creative doesn't know their own ass's from a hole in the ground, Scott 2 Hotty gets fired because he's injured, and Ariel gets fired because Big Dave probably tried to cop a feel, yup, sounds real professional over at WWE.
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My sentiments exactly Shockmaster. Sadly, tNA is looking more and more inviting. I mean, seriously, what's next, Triple H himself decides it'll be fun to just walk into the Divas' dressing room and because they protest, the entire Women's Divisin gets fired? Or maybe Steph decides she want more than HHH, hits on, oh, say, Chris Benoit, he says no, and fucking bam, like thru some form of cunt magic, she fires Benoit for sexual misconduct.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
I loved your rant Y2 Jake I really did but I feel I have to add this. Steph does not know shit about the wrestling business. She is daddy's spoiled little daughter and everytime I read an article about what she is doing I think of kicking her in the face. She has no business having control over any wrestlers or writers. Remember reading the story about how she already wanted to bring Daniel Rodimer up to the main roster cause he's "already an amazing talent." Thats bullshit, the guy is only big, and his wrestling skills are so bad only Batista can relate to them. She is just a spoiled little brat who got where she is simply by being born. I'm sure we could go on and on about who hates Steph more but I think we've made our point.
As for Ariel being fired because of the Batista situation. The fact that there are that little details and Batista's reputation is horrible leads me to believe something is up. I am leaning towards him making a comment or remark most likely sexual (thing most of us think of her but would never say out loud) and she stood up for herself. Stephs solution, fire Ariel and save her husbands friend.
As for Ariel being fired because of the Batista situation. The fact that there are that little details and Batista's reputation is horrible leads me to believe something is up. I am leaning towards him making a comment or remark most likely sexual (thing most of us think of her but would never say out loud) and she stood up for herself. Stephs solution, fire Ariel and save her husbands friend.
Ok, a couple of things...
First of all, it was NOT Nicky who got fired. It was not Nicky. It was Nick Mitchell who played "Mitch" in the Spirit squad. To the best of my knowledge, Nick Nemeth, who played "Nicky" is still with the company for the moment.
Once again, it was NOT Nicky that was fired, but rather Mitch.
Second of all, Ariel being released is not really a big deal. She was doing nothing in ECW, other than hang upside down and bend over to show everyone her large fake breasts.
And, as far as the backstage argument goes...
A couple of things.
1)Who is to say that the person who reported it or was the source for the report wasn't good friends with Ariel or hated Batista and/or Stephanie?
2)
Now, how exactly is that possible? How can we not know what the argument was about, but know that Ariel was defending herself? Did the reporter not think to ask what the argument was about? Highly unlikely. So, the people around the scene knew that they were arguing, heard enough to know that Ariel was defending herself, but don't know what the argument was about?
Am I the only one who thinks that sounds a little strange? Possibly made up? Possibly because, Batista is not well liked backstage, and Steph probably isn't as well?
Something just doesn't quite sit well with me about that.
So, until we know what the argument about, and WHY it got heated, let's lay off Batista and Stephanie.
First of all, it was NOT Nicky who got fired. It was not Nicky. It was Nick Mitchell who played "Mitch" in the Spirit squad. To the best of my knowledge, Nick Nemeth, who played "Nicky" is still with the company for the moment.
source: http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/scottyarielnickreleased
Once again, it was NOT Nicky that was fired, but rather Mitch.
Second of all, Ariel being released is not really a big deal. She was doing nothing in ECW, other than hang upside down and bend over to show everyone her large fake breasts.
And, as far as the backstage argument goes...
A couple of things.
1)Who is to say that the person who reported it or was the source for the report wasn't good friends with Ariel or hated Batista and/or Stephanie?
2)
Now, how exactly is that possible? How can we not know what the argument was about, but know that Ariel was defending herself? Did the reporter not think to ask what the argument was about? Highly unlikely. So, the people around the scene knew that they were arguing, heard enough to know that Ariel was defending herself, but don't know what the argument was about?
Am I the only one who thinks that sounds a little strange? Possibly made up? Possibly because, Batista is not well liked backstage, and Steph probably isn't as well?
Something just doesn't quite sit well with me about that.
So, until we know what the argument about, and WHY it got heated, let's lay off Batista and Stephanie.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
Actually we are going to be laying into Stephanie in particular because of the fact that she is the one who decides who is hired and who is fired. With the firing of Credible wrestlers, Im not sure about Nick Mitchell but that is another story altogether. scotty was in their for 9 years and out with Injury, they fire Him, that is considered a big no-no by most people in the wresting Business, Shelley Martinez is a very good wrestler that could have helped bring the womens championship some prestige back. Rob Conway is a solid worker who could have made it to the main event if they gave him a proper build up instead of sticking him in a feud with Eugene. Vito was going to be brought up to ECW to be in a tag team with little Guido it is also low to fire a guy that went out of his way to keep in gimmick while out and about outside the ring, which i can imagine as being very uncomfortable or embarassing for him. sabu is understandable for the most part. As for the article about the supposed argument, it could have happened and the people that the reporter talked to may not know or they don't want to say, it is plausible either way.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
Um Ariel being released is kind of a big deal. Even if she wasn't doing anything in ECW, WWE could have sent her to RAW were she could have helped the other divas out. WWE needs to try and keep all of the women that they have who can wrestle, firing any of them would be a stupid move as the division needs all the help they can get. Im sure WWE knows this, as they wouldn't have fired Ariel because they couldn't think of anything for her to do. I'm guessing for WWE to release one of their only women with actual wrestling talent, there would have to have been some kind of internal struggle fueling the flames, and this fall out that she had with Batista was most likely the reason she was fired.
Scotty 2 Hotty was a jobber who never even made it on camera. Ariel was never going to make the WWE any money, and if you're not even a potential moneymaker, you better not piss off the ones who are. Rob Conway is a joke. He was given gimmick after gimmick and none of the them took, because the guy doesn't have what it takes. Vito...meh. He's probably the one I would have the most problem with considering he showed his dedication to the company and got over with a ridiculous gimmick. Not a single one of these firings matter. And, like you said, Sabu is understandable, considering he basically cut himself.
Ariel being released is not a big deal. She was not doing anything on camera, and she was currently being used as a dead weight manager. Women wrestlers, although entertaining, have never made the WWF/E any money and to keep one around that gets into an argument with a main-eventer, less than one year with the company...meh, she's gone.
If Ariel is worthy of being re-hired, she'll be re-hired. If not, then she won't. In one year, no one is going to give a damn, and people are going to be complaining about the next wave of wrestlers that got fired who "had talent if the WWE just knew how to use it properly". It happens every year.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
But like you said yourself, we don't know yet what the argument she got into was about. If she was the one who started it, then I'll agree that despite her standings and past training as a wrestler, that she should be fired, but If she was defending herself and the firing was unjust, then I'll stand by what I said that WWE just made a mistake.
And your right, if Shelly is worthy of being rehired then she'll be rehired, but I would bet that this quarrel that she had with Batista will probably play a future role in whether or not WWE rehires her regardless if Shelly was in the wrong or right.
And your right, if Shelly is worthy of being rehired then she'll be rehired, but I would bet that this quarrel that she had with Batista will probably play a future role in whether or not WWE rehires her regardless if Shelly was in the wrong or right.
And I totally agree with that. If she was unjustly fired, then I will have no problem admitting this was a case of abuse of power.
At the same time though, even if it turns out the WWE was wrong, Ariel should understand who its ok to argue with and who it's not. For instance: Batista? Probably not. Randy Orton: Would probably get Orton suspended. John Cena? See ya later. Triple H? You never existed.
Ariel has to be smarter who she gets into an argument with, even if she is justified in the argument.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
And that thinking as whole says a lot about the backstage politics that surround WWE. IMO thats complete bullshit, that Shelly would get fired for standing up for herself, (not saying thats what happened, as she could have just as easily started the argument) and you have to add in gender issues. Most divas anyway have a short shelf life in WWE, and from what I've read on the indy circuit, most of the good female talents no longer want to come to WWE because of not only are they running the risk of being held back and having their moveset's stripped or being giving worthless or demeaning gimmicks (ex. Jillian Hall, Trinity) but now they have to deal with sexism.
But then again, this is just a theory, as we don't know the reasoning behind the argument.
But then again, this is just a theory, as we don't know the reasoning behind the argument.
If by backstage politics you mean the family, that owns and raised the company from a small territorial promotion to a worldwide dominant promotion, decides who they want working for them and who they don't want working for them, then yes, I suppose so.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
Can't argue with you there, but it just seemed wrong to fire someone when they didn't do anything to deserve it (granted if that was the case). By firing Ariel over some petty argument that she didn't start tells me that WWE really doesn't care that much about the opinions of their employees. It also says alot on Batista's part because if he was the one that started it and allowed Ariel to take the fall for his actions, then that doesn't say much about his character either.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
Me too, If Batista started this argument, then I stick with my argument that WWE made a mistake in firing Ariel, but If Ariel really was at fault, then It wasn't anybodies fault that she got fired but her own.
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This whole load of BS with Ariel and batista actually goes to show that there is a HUGE gender bias in WWE. Think about it, Booker T, who, yeah, is a main event player, but anyways, gets into it with Batista last year, actually is the one that confronted Batista, and nothing is done about it..BUT, Ariel, who, just because she doesn't have "the diva look"*, isn't a main event player..thanks in HUGE part to WWE niot pushing the Women's WRESTLING division at all, and is a woman, who Stephanie probably felt threatened by in some way, gets into an argument with Bore-tista, and is gone. But, whatever, I just wanted to get that out there.
*Note to those who aren't blonde and have wrestling ability don't bother applying for the WWE, those spots have been filled...all, what? 4 of them?
*Note to those who aren't blonde and have wrestling ability don't bother applying for the WWE, those spots have been filled...all, what? 4 of them?
Why would the WWE get rid of people who make them money? Why would the WWE push the women's division which has never made them money?
Let's put the comparison this way. Pretend you are a business in sales. One employee is a beautiful buxom blonde, who knows very little about the product, but is one of your highest sellers. The other one is a 40 year old balding male, who knows the product inside and out, but cannot get anyone to buy from him.
Who do you get rid of?
That's one hilarious quote your just said there slyfox. You actually just proved EP Punk's point. The beautiful buxom blonde who knows very little about the product would apply to people like Ashley Massaro, and guys like Batista(obviously without the buxom blonde look). The people without the look who know the product inside and out ARE people like Shelly Martinez(Ariel). So, really, you just agreed with EP Punk.
I never denied it. Hell, I'll even agree with it.
My point is that why should they keep someone like Ariel, who makes them no money, and get rid of people like King Booker and Batista who do make them money? From a business perspective, which is how the WWE looks at it, that would make no sense.
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Yes, but eventually, people like Batista and, not so much Booker, but Cena and Lashley, who rely on little skill mainly their rediculous muscle mass, could start costing the company. Look at it like this, thay have had these three basically destroy everyone they have come up against for the last year+. Fine, let's say that eventually, the WWE sees the light and these 3 are no linger in the title picture...they have been focusing on them for so long that others, with skill, like the Nitros, The MVP's, The Benoit's, etc. have no momentum, and have probably, by the point this would happen, been squashed by the meatheat patrol, that no one is going to want to see guys who got their asses handed to them suddenly battling for world titles. Whereas people LIKE Shelly Martinez, Rob Conway, etc. get the boot even though they have made countless stars look good night after night. People still want to see those who Conway defeated wrestle because he got a good match out of those people. So, like I said, in time, guys like Bore-tista will cause the WWE to lose money.