Are You Serious, Bro?

[akrassikauda]

So let me get this straight, a few months ago everybody and their mother was all over the internet saying WWE should be pushing Zach Ryder, he's sooo great, he's soo awesome, WWE is dropping the ball by not having Zach Ryder on tv more, he should be main eventing, yadda yadda yadda, & now WWE literally gives the fans exactly what they asked for, the push the shit out of Ryder, & now all those same people and their mothers decide to jump back onto the internet and bash WWE for giving them what they wanted... yep sound about right, same typical IWC bullshit. Look their was literally no one on the roster last night you could have stuck into that match that would have made as much sense as Ryder. I beleive it was 2 weeks ago when Laurenitis booked John Cena in a tag match with Ryder against Awesome Truth, Awesome Truth took out Ryder backstage which lead to the match being a handicap match, so their was reason for Ryder to be there, it made perfect sense. Perhaps instead of being an whiny bunch of bitchy assholes, you should sit back & be fans & enjoy the shows instead of complaining when WWE literally gives you exactly what you fucking asked for.

That's the IWC for you. IWC has a track record of rooting for a wrestler then turning on them. CM Punk is next on that list count on it.

I have no problem with Cena main eventing a tag match with I guy he publicly shills for all the time "Follow Zach Ryder on twitter @ZachRyder" and who was suppose to team up with him 2 weeks ago but was taken out by Awesome Truth so that makes sense. Ryder is a guy who got himself over ( even though he still can't get over a fence ) by being himself and making himself be seen without embarrassing the company. This guy didn't wait for the hand off he took the ball and now he's running with it. Kudos to Ryder for not waiting for his moment and just doing what he had to do for his career.

 

[snakebite313]

Ok, so you ended this post with Ryder's catchphrase. Are you 12 years old?

My comparison with Santino was on a character level. They're both, basically, comic relief. In all honesty, I feel Ryder is better in the ring than Santino. But if in-ring skill is all it took to move up within the WWE, they'd really need to revamp their rankings, don't you think?

Ryder is a comic act who was brilliant in promoting himself when he was being swept under the rug. I respect that but that doesn't convince me that there's more to him that I don't see. He's an average guy with a funny gimmick. No need to push him to the moon just because he makes us smile a few times per week.

Comic relief... Goofy face/heel... Crowd entertainer.... Thats what they used to label Chris Jericho & since this is a wrestling forum, we should all know the rest of the story. I mean, true wrestling fans should know his accomplishments right? If not, then i'll list it out. Here goes: WWE Championship; World Heavyweight Championship; WCW Championship; Intercontinental Championship; European Championship; Hardcore Championship; World Tag Team Championship; ECW TV Championship; WCW TV Championship; WCW Cruiserweight Championship; Unified Tag Team Championship. Correct me if i'm wrong but other than the US Championship & the Divas Championship, thats basically almost every title there is to win in the industry. What a legacy!!! Who would've believed it since he started as a comical, goofy character with a high pitched tone to his voice & had the funniest facial expressions. Comical... Goofy... Just like Zack Ryder. WOO WOO WOO

 

[FarFromFine]

I don't hate it and i'm definitely not a Ryder guy. I've never seen his youtube show and dont follow him on twitter and dont care to do either. I took him as a complete joke up until the most recent Ziggler match. I actually felt bad for him during the Hugh Jackman guest hosting show. At that time Ryder had built up a decent amount of steam yet he gets picked to be coached by Jackman because he says he's the biggest underdog in the company and that he's delusional. I felt like that made him look like a joke.

But in recent weeks I've actually become more impressed with Ryder in the ring. Plus he's good on the mic and the people love him and he has the type of body build that Vince loves. He'll ride this wave of popularity for his comedic gimmick until it slows then he'll change his character. He's already shown us he understands the business and he has the talent. I see no reason he won't be on our TVs for a long time.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Not a fan of Ryder, Sally? Looks like you and I might finally have found something to debate on since we usually agree in just about every thread.

I thought it was brilliant that they included Ryder in the main event last night as the "future hall of famer" that Cena claimed him to be because this felt like WWE finally opening the door for a big Ryder push. He'll get the US title from Ziggler and after a strong run with that could potentially move up the card to main event some day. Silly antics or not, Ryder's popularity keeps increasing and WWE being out there to make money will eventually realize they need to capitalize on Ryder's growing fanbase. He is someone to push as a future top guy. Cena's promo put him over very well and his involvement in a main event was a great choice. You can't tell me that "WWE Champion Zack Ryder" won't have a nice ring to it someday a couple of years from now.

 

[The Future Rises]

I was never really a member of the so called "Zack Pack" I mean, I do enjoy watching Z! True Long Island Story but I never actually wanted to see Ryder get some TV time. Why? Simply because I can't take him seriously as one of the main guys on the roster. When ECW ended and Ryder was drafted to Raw I was hoping he'd make his character a little more serious and be a decent midcarder but what happens? He jobs to Mark Henry(during MARK'S jobbing days) and gets scissor kicked by Alicia Fox in the middle of the ring. So then I just lost interest in him as a serious character. And now, fast forward a little over a year later and where's Ryder? Main eventing Monday Night Raw, WWE's flagship show. And he has done absolutely nothing to prove himself other than being funny and showing little ring improvement. If Zack doesn't make his character a little more serious ASAP then I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon. I just can't take this "goofy" character of his seriously. And I definitely don't feel like he should be main eventing yet even if it is a one time thing.

 

[j2dlyc]

I usually just read the forums but felt compelled to sign up and voice an opinion on this matter. I dont know the OP and wouldnt want to set out by bashing anyone, but it seems that he/she/they regard themselves as too cool or too into wrestling to like Ryder. Perhaps im wrong, as I said I dont wish to judge, but the arguments for him not being worthy are utterly flawed in my opinion.

Beginning with the comments on Ryder as a person/character, I dont feel they are at all correct. First of all he is a very talented wrestler, he sells well and performs well in the ring. His matches with Ziggler and superstars performances showcase his talents, he certainly offers more variety and form than other wrestlers who have been pushed quicker. As for the Gimmick, yeah its a gimmick but this is wrestling, EVERY SINGLE WRESTLER has one. Cena has chain gang/thug-a-nomics, Orton was the legend killer, The rock was part of the nation of domination, its a part of wrestling. Look at some of the biggest names in the industry as a whole and who are competing now; Jericho was a goofy heel, Mark Henry was "sexual chocolate", even Edge, one of my personal favourite wrestlers of all time started off in one of the goofiest gimmicks imaginable. Goofy isnt necessarily bad, I certainly prefer it over Daniel Bryans hobo beard and boring personality.

As for why Ryder was in the main event, think about it for a moment. Ryder, through his internet show and backstage segments is shown as a massive fan of Cena, he idolizes the guy. Who else backstage can you think of who is shown to even like Cena? I personally cant think of anyone who stands out as a tag-team partner for him, other than Ryder. Ryder also has a motive to be in the fight, he was blind-sighted by Miz and Truth a few weeks back, robbing him of his first ever Main event on TV, personally I'd want revenge if I were in his shoes/this was real.

I gather that not everyone will like Ryder, but not liking someone isnt a reason for them to not deserve to be in a certain match/event/show. Ryder has built himself up from basically nothing, he got himself over with the crowd without a major push and is now enjoying the benefits of his hard work, give the guy a chance, he hasnt let himself down once so far.

 

[snakebite313]

I remember listening to an interview with Edge soon after he retired. Remember the doppleganger storyline when Zack Ryder & Hawkins became Edge look-alikes called the Edgeheads? In the interview, Edge revealed that it was Ryder & Hawkins who came up with that idea (which ran for several months). That just shows me that he's got a knack for coming up with creative ideas (see Z True Long Island Story). Wrestlers know potential when they see it, even if the brass don't, and thats why they're trying to get Ryder over. Okay he might not be the best on the mic (yet) or in the ring (yet) but he's still relatively young as has years to refine his craft. Having said all that, his mic & ring skills are not the best but they're close to being great. Here's a guy who brought back catchphrases when it was a dying trend. But catchprases are what make us remember the greats (see Bret Hart, Steve Austin, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Chris Jericho). So for that, I strongly feel that Zack deserves his current push
p/s: From my posts u all prolly could tell by now that I'm pro-Ryder. Hehehe I promise this will be my last. WOO WOO WOO

 

[Miz_Mark]

Comic relief... Goofy face/heel... Crowd entertainer.... Thats what they used to label Chris Jericho & since this is a wrestling forum, we should all know the rest of the story. I mean, true wrestling fans should know his accomplishments right? If not, then i'll list it out. Here goes: WWE Championship; World Heavyweight Championship; WCW Championship; Intercontinental Championship; European Championship; Hardcore Championship; World Tag Team Championship; ECW TV Championship; WCW TV Championship; WCW Cruiserweight Championship; Unified Tag Team Championship. Correct me if i'm wrong but other than the US Championship & the Divas Championship, thats basically almost every title there is to win in the industry. What a legacy!!! Who would've believed it since he started as a comical, goofy character with a high pitched tone to his voice & had the funniest facial expressions. Comical... Goofy... Just like Zack Ryder. WOO WOO WOO

Another great exampled: Kurt Angle. He was a complete goofball character, and had (at the time) the fastest rise in the WWE, becoming a grand slam champion and King of the Ring inside of a year.

2 more great examples of goofy characters who made it big- Edge and Christian. A lot of great performers start out and/or get over as a goofy character, ride that wave of fan support to new heights, and then beging to transition into a more serious character as time goes on. There's no reason a goofball character can't have great success. There's no denying that he's over like a bastard and selling merchandise left and right, WWE is of course going to use him, and he made perfect sense in that spot, with his current position on the card, his overness with the crowd, the previous Awesome Truth beat down, and the well established dynamic of Cena as Ryder fan... YOU KNOW IT!

 

[Mustang Sally]

You can't tell me that "WWE Champion Zack Ryder" won't have a nice ring to it someday a couple of years from now.

Yes, I can, at least under his present persona.

The thing is, Dagger, it's not that I have much against Zack Ryder himself, it's concern that his manner of promoting himself actually seems to be working......which upsets the apple cart, as I see it. Take a man like Vince McMahon, who is one of the greatest promoters of all time. On the one hand, he might appreciate what a guy like Zack has accomplished by blowing his own horn and getting himself noticed, which very well might not have happened had he not taken to cyberspace. On one level, I can see McMahon admiring the chutzpah it took to do it.

On the other hand, though, I mentioned Matt Hardy's efforts at self-promotion earlier, and how much McMahon apparently hated it. Yes, I realize that Matt's Internet rantings were interfering with actual running storylines, while Zack doesn't actually have any storylines to disrupt.

Still, the company clamped down on Matt.....and I thought it would eventually come to that with Zack, too. Instead, he benefits from it......and I wonder how McMahon will see things if other performers start to do the same. After all, they may figure if it works for a guy like Zack Ryder, then why not them?

I'm not a Zack Ryder hater. I think his persona is ridiculous (for a guy who's apparently being pushed), but no more so than Santino or Eugene. It's more that a silly Internet show can persuade so many fans that this guy is someone to reckon with.....and that the company would along with it, which seems wildly out of the ordinary.

I still can't get over this guy being in the main event last night. John Cena.....The Miz.....R-Truth..............and Zack Ryder?

 

[jnapoli85]

I have to say internet fans are the worst, first all they do is complain that Ryder isn't on TV then he is finally on and they complain go figure.

 

[TheGreatLegend]

Completely agreed with the creator of this thread. WWE is making a mockery out of Pro-Wrestling. Any person (leaving Ryder's Internet marks) who will see a guy like Zack Ryder in the main-event can't take it seriously.People complain about WWE being childish and PG nowadays but they want WWE to push Zack Ryder.That is completely hypocritical.

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[Jack-Hammer]

I agree that Ryder's ability is pretty overrated. I enjoy Ryder, he can be entertaining, but he's not the huge, main event level talent that many online fans have touted him to be. I don't see him reaching that level with the character. He's still extremely young, he's good in the ring, he's good on the mic and his's loaded with personality. But I don't think most people will ultimately take him seriously as a main eventer with his Jersey Shore type of gimmick.

Ryder has a match against Ziggler for the United States Championship at Survivor Series. With his character, Ryder is a perfectly believable mid-card guy in my view. He's entertaining and he's somewhat silly, but not so much that you can't look at him and say that he could be a very solid presence in the WWE's mid-card. As I said, he's silly but he's nowhere near as silly as the likes of Hornswoggle or Santino or even Robbie E in TNA.

I'm not too worried at this point. Ryder is over with fans and he can put on good matches. I'll start to grow concerned if they decide to, at some point, elevate him to main event status while he still looks, talks and behaves like a cast member from Jersey Shore.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I can't see the problem with the move to be honest. I mean John Cena teaming with midcarders in a Raw main event is nothing new and I think that if you are okay with Evan Bourne teaming with Cena then it would be blatant hypocrisy to complain about Zack teaming with him. I mean I am no Ryder fan but you have to admit that he is quite over, albeit as a goof. Evan Bourne was over because he had a good finisher. If that is reason enough for getting a chance to perform at the main event, being an entertaining goofball is an equally good reason if not better.

Secondly you mentioned Scotty 2 Hotty, Sally. Scotty was pretty popular in the Attitude Era and in an environment with more vacancies in the midcard, I cannot see how he could not have been more successful. I am not saying that he would have been a World Champion but he could have easily been a multi time IC champ which is the maximum potential that I believe Zack has anyway.

This move would not lead to a main event push for Ryder but there was nothing wrong with the move either. He is entertaining and popular, possibly the third biggest babyface on Raw at the moment. What's wrong with making use of his popularity to entertain the fans?

 

[RD_21]

I'm not a Zack Ryder hater. I think his persona is ridiculous (for a guy who's apparently being pushed), but no more so than Santino or Eugene. It's more that a silly Internet show can persuade so many fans that this guy is someone to reckon with.....and that the company would along with it, which seems wildly out of the ordinary.

I still can't get over this guy being in the main event last night. John Cena.....The Miz.....R-Truth..............and Zack Ryder?

First Ryder in the main event was PERFECT, but not for his hater I guess even if you say that you aren't one of them.

For the show I think you are missing the big picture here. The guy showed that he had potential to these shows and people than ask WWE to give Ryder the ball to see what he could do with it. If you stop being so serious about your wrestling, is character is kind of funny (but then again I don't REALLY like Santino and some people do so I am guilty here to), he has funny and silly catchphrase and if entertainning to see in the ring.

Of course some people may really think that he should be WWE champion, but me I just want to see him being used and see what he can do. I also like the fact that I can get behind 2 guys now Punk and Ryder that will FORCE Vince to use them because he wouldn't push them otherwise.

You may see where I am going, but I am beyond tired of Cena's act and even if we are all voicing our opinion on it Vince refuse to give us what we want (not a heel turn but a major change in his personna/act/matches) so I am happy that I can have them acknowledge that we represent something in the grand scheme and that's why I think everyone should be getting behind Ryder, because it shows the consumers that you really have power.

 

[stephenjpunk317]

I almost view Ryder as Hurricane Helms when he got the air time with the Rock. It's not a bad thing at all to me. Give him a shot, and see where it goes. Yea eventually you'll have to tweak the character, but ride the wave now.

 

[supernatural1981]

I was there last night and heard just how over ryder is. I have read so many times about how over he is but to actually hear the noise when he came out was something i would never expect. To say he is now a main eventer is something i would disagree with......however i would say it looks like he is in line for a mid card push which he has brought about by using us lot to his advantage and in the end vince must of realised he could make money from zach ryder.

I read recently that wwe are looking to push twitter and the internet a lot more to the fans so dont expect a guy who got over from the iwc (and being cenas mate ) to drop from high midcard anytime soon.

 

[bxbigshow]

I'd rather see Z. Ryder get this, his first real singles push as oppose to Ted DiBiase's 3rd? Drew Mac's 3rd?

They tried, they failed, they tried again.

Give someone else, who is over by the way, a chance to see what reactions/$$$ they can draw. We know Ted is a bust, Drew is looking like a bust.

Zack Ryder is a least getting a response, love him or hate him...people respond.

 

[Rated sj]

Seriously Bro!!! Ryder's fortunes have changed from Super part time backstage jobber to RAW Super Show main event. I think ryder just proved that if you work your butt off you will achieve results in the WWE. Ryder got fed up with not being featured on WWE programming

 

[arcticfox04]

WWE atm is in a Face crunch in general. There's way too many heels. Stoned Boom is derailed atm with someone on the 30 day no-no list. The fans like Ryder and makes alot of money. CM Punks makes alot of money is more over then Cena now because the Fans get what the fans want now. Even JoMo has won a match and Daniel Bryan will most likely be a World Champion @ WM28.

 

[H33LTurn]

Well this is another example of having the right friends in the business and getting ahead as a result of that. I dont think the Zack Ryder character will ever be taken seriously and as far as HOF material, right now I definitely dont see it. I liked when he first got pushed because he was really trying hard and it was a shame that he was going through the trouble of making his own show just to have a couple matches on superstars but it seems like the push has run its course and if they're going to do anything significant with him then they should do it now. I think its the appropriate time to put the US championship on him and have his character take a little more serious and intense turn.

I dont think it'll be a problem though, Ryder is pretty aware of when something gets old. He was able to acknowledge that his web show had run its course as well.

 

[dansaun77]

Cena had to lose, so he needed to tag with somebody who the loss would not affect or bury, somebody not in a proper storyline. They have already botched the Rock return something fierce, wont even bother watching Raw

 

[Gavschenko]

So let me get this straight, a few months ago everybody and their mother was all over the internet saying WWE should be pushing Zach Ryder, he's sooo great, he's soo awesome, WWE is dropping the ball by not having Zach Ryder on tv more, he should be main eventing, yadda yadda yadda, & now WWE literally gives the fans exactly what they asked for, the push the shit out of Ryder, & now all those same people and their mothers decide to jump back onto the internet and bash WWE for giving them what they wanted... yep sound about right, same typical IWC bullshit. Look their was literally no one on the roster last night you could have stuck into that match that would have made as much sense as Ryder. I beleive it was 2 weeks ago when Laurenitis booked John Cena in a tag match with Ryder against Awesome Truth, Awesome Truth took out Ryder backstage which lead to the match being a handicap match, so their was reason for Ryder to be there, it made perfect sense. Perhaps instead of being an whiny bunch of bitchy assholes, you should sit back & be fans & enjoy the shows instead of complaining when WWE literally gives you exactly what you fucking asked for.

This is probably the best post ive read on this forum people beg and beg for one think to happen then when it happens they yap stop wtf did u want he's only main evented 1 raw and he did a amazing job if he main events it again i wont complain everyone on this website has to find something to complain about everyday watch the program and enjoy it

 

[Fear&Loathing]

WWE need people like Zack Ryder to be in the spotlight he genuinely loves what he does and is so passionate about getting to the top he turned to the internet and the guy can actually wrestle. and the best thing about it is superstars even see it CM Punk on numerous occasions has said Ryder needs to be on the air more. i just hope he doesnt get shoved down our throats each and every week like Cena. and if WWE want this guy to be so over he needs to stop teaming with Cena

 

[Mustang Sally]

Cena had to lose, so he needed to tag with somebody who the loss would not affect or bury, somebody not in a proper storyline.

Could be. In fact, I had the notion that Zack would join Ryder in the ring after the loss......and Cena would beat the living shit out of him for allowing Awesome Truth to double-team him for the winning pin.

No, there's no particular logic there, but at that point I will still wondering what Zack Ryder was doing in the main event.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

So let me get this straight, a few months ago everybody and their mother was all over the internet saying WWE should be pushing Zach Ryder, he's sooo great, he's soo awesome, WWE is dropping the ball by not having Zach Ryder on tv more, he should be main eventing, yadda yadda yadda, & now WWE literally gives the fans exactly what they asked for, the push the shit out of Ryder, & now all those same people and their mothers decide to jump back onto the internet and bash WWE for giving them what they wanted... yep sound about right, same typical IWC bullshit. Look their was literally no one on the roster last night you could have stuck into that match that would have made as much sense as Ryder. I beleive it was 2 weeks ago when Laurenitis booked John Cena in a tag match with Ryder against Awesome Truth, Awesome Truth took out Ryder backstage which lead to the match being a handicap match, so their was reason for Ryder to be there, it made perfect sense. Perhaps instead of being an whiny bunch of bitchy assholes, you should sit back & be fans & enjoy the shows instead of complaining when WWE literally gives you exactly what you fucking asked for.

I'm gonna go on the record and say I was not one of the people who was asking for a Ryder push. At all.

What happened was a lot of people who saw his YouTube videos supported him because he broke the norm of how to appeal to fans and so brought attention to his cause by using his catchphrases, then other people who had seen his videos would respond to posters using his catchphrases. Over time, more and more Ryder mentions and threads were born so it may have seemed like "everyone and their mother" were supporting him, but trust me, not everyone was. It wasn't that I was against him, I just didn't, and still don't care about him.


As for last night, it made sense to put him in the match-up, but I agree with Sally that people shouldn't get too carried away. There is indeed a lot of buzz around him generated by his videos and his fans, but I think there is a chance that people will get carried away with how far he can go. I mean, it wasn't THAT long ago that people would go nuts just for a quick glimpse of him backstage on Raw, so now he's featured with Cena I think people may go a bit over the top with demands for where he should be on the card etc.

Miz did prove you can't write anyone off, but I still don't see a lot in Ryder just now.