3.3.11 Vignette; Is Sting Is Coming Back to TNA?

[It's Damn Real!]

The sheer volume of response this thread and the activity the TNA section has had since last night is all the proof you people should need that this was in fact "shocking".

If 225+ responses in less than 24 hours in a forum who's threads normally max out around 50 posts per topic isn't shock, I have no idea what is. Similar thing happened when Hogan signed, debuted, and when RVD signed, debuted and won the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. Guess none of those things were "shocking" either?

 

[FroudeyBrand]

I like TNA but to blatantly copy another promotion like TNA copied the WWE's promos for the Undertakers return was such a let down. To call the the biggest surprise ever or of the year is just pathetic. I dont personally even care about sting I think he is old overrated and had stayed in the business to long. He isn't very good in the ring he's not entertaining he should retire and stay retired.

I am not a sting fan either, but he has pressence, but again over rated, Ohhh a black bat.... lol

I am from aussie land, not that interested in TNA but read things that are happening cause who knows something great might happen in TNA *bawahahahaha nah sorry couldn't hold a straight face typing that.


No wait, sorry we all know if TNA went to a live format and had other shows outside the sound stage etc etc ra ra ra (we all know that thing).

As it has been said, it is a up yours to vince, further rubbing it in that Sting is in TNA, even that is very mediocre Sting might actually be the first I said never.

But It might come to a time when, WWE which has the WCW rights to bring out a sting dvd to have the final fuck you to TNA, cause most of stings career was NWA/WCW.

 

[Lucha-Libre is wrestling]

Here's a thought, smart guy; did they actually have a commitment from Sting when the WWE promos began? You know that for sure? My theory has been that the WWE left those promos open-ended so that, if they did sign Sting, he could've debuted on 2-21-11 and Undertaker would've just come back some other way. Obviously they couldn't land him so they went with Undertaker as the backup plan.

Don't agree with me? Then tell me... when was the last time Triple H came out to the ring and said NOTHING? Everything about that Taker/HHH segment came off as "last minute" and it tells me that they were simply the fallback for a failed attempt to sign Sting.

I could be totally wrong, but I doubt Russo or Bischoff would've let an opportunity to sabotage the WWE's attempted Sting hype pass if they had the means. But they didn't know that Sting was returning for sure until recently, so they couldn't set themselves up to have major egg on the face.

I was waiting for someone to mention the Taker & HHH silent Promo, I'm going break it down but like half of the folks here you may be one sided. I for one watched and still watch all type of wrestling promotions and I try to be fair on my opinions so here it goes:
1. From the 1st 2-21-11 video I knew it had to do with Taker, and I also admit I was hoping it was Taker vs Sting at Mania, what real wrestling fan wouldn't want to see that match.
2. Taker was your usual silent treatment entrance.
3. HHH entrance was his usual.
4. They did a stare down and both looked at the mania sign.
5. They both stared each other down Taker smiled & knotted his head no looking at HHH. This is where it gets tricky and I had to watch it 4x's, I believe they both was talking to Sting with their actions. For me Taker said with his head action why wouldn't Sting or anyone wouldn't want to be part of Mania. The cut throat by Taker meant, Sting will never have this opportunity again to do mania. And when HHH did his suck it I don't think it was meant for Taker, He was telling Sting to Suck IT. Don't forget HHH is corporate / Performer . That silent Promo we saw was a silent message for Sting. WWE may not acknowledge it on TV, But i bet that when HHH writes his 1st solo book this topic will be in it. I don't have a problem with TNA copying the video but why a company that has only 1,350 fans at their events mock any fans from any promotion, does that makes any sense business wise? I have always said TNA has talent on the roster but creative is killing them, and yes wwe creative ain't perfect but vince doesn't gets on the net and says tonight we are going to have the shocker of the year.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

For everyone saying that was a ripoff they must not watch TNA much. Sting comes back after several months off every year for the last five years, every time to the same storming, rain falling, black boots stomping promo. TNA hasn't even bothered to film a new one.

TNA has been using that so long with Sting it could very easily be said that for once WWE ripped off TNA because they were so similar and TNA has been using the same clip for years. That is the same clip TNA used the first time Sting left and came back some 4 plus years ago.

For once TNA's laziness in their production may have actually screwed up the IWC because most dont do anything but bash TNA and talk about how much of a ripoff they are without watching the show. Kind or ironic that they use the clip for years and get no press, WWE uses a similar one once for Undertaker and TNA is ripping off WWE even though TNA did it years prior. Kind of funny.

 

[SpecialFNK]

I like TNA but to blatantly copy another promotion like TNA copied the WWE's promos for the Undertakers return was such a let down. To call the the biggest surprise ever or of the year is just pathetic. I dont personally even care about sting I think he is old overrated and had stayed in the business to long. He isn't very good in the ring he's not entertaining he should retire and stay retired.

..and this does not fit with Undertaker?

EDIT: I should edit this so that one could not say it is spam and warn me yet again.

Sting might be old and hasn't really been much of a factor in recent memory of TNA, but it's still Sting. the same could be said with the likes of Undertaker in WWE.
I'm interested to see how this all plays out next week. I would assume next week's Impact should end up getting a good rating. no clue how last night's shocking/surprise Impact did in the ratings.

 

[Lucha-Libre is wrestling]

One thing I'm failing to understand in all this is the hypocrisy of calling TNA unoriginal with this promo, considering when the first 21/2/11 promo showed up and lots of people were recalling how similar it was to the Starrcade promo of 97? Hasn't Sting always had rain in his promo vids too, so it's not as if Sting has jumped from being all sunshine and rainbows to rain because of Taker/WWE.
If it's just the lettering at the end that's being seen as unoriginal, who really thinks that TNA copied it without a hint of irony? Also, TNA are residents in the same building for the vast vast vast majority of their tapings, have poor entrance music for most of the talent so why are people surprised that their video production for promos isn't as polished as those of an absolute giant who have the money and resources to produce well-crafted promos/teasers? Jeese.

Ouch WWE owns that 97 Starcade promo it came along with the purchase of WCW. So in fact wwe had all the rights to recycle that promo.

 

[MPWFchairman]

I have read all 24 pages of this thread so far and i seriously cannot understand why people on here think that this promo was a big fuck you to the WWE. It was a god-awful attempt at getting people to tune into TNA. Why would TNA not air similar videos during the build up to Undertaker's return. That way they would actually have people speculating where Sting was going. And when he eventually arrived in TNA it would be holy shit momment because so many people thought he was going to WWE.

But even if it played out that way WWE wouldn't give a rats ass because they had never planned on Sting coming on that date anyways. From day one it was Undertaker. The tuesday after the first promo the WWE said they hadn't even contacted Sting. And during about week 3 they flipping showed the Undertakers face!! So how was this a let down to WWE when they never even planned this! Again TNA fails! I just wish that this company would stop acknowledging WWE and just focus on TNA. They should never be doing this bad.

 

[3/4 Facelock]

The only thing "shocking" is the fact that the TNA supermarks are consistantly saying that this promo was either great and/or smart.

It was a dig at the WWE? What for? Just to jab? Dumb. Waste.

TNA missed the boat with this promo. It should have been done earlier. The WWE did nothing except run 3 different promos over the course of 3 weeks It was the WWE marks hoping it was Sting and after week 2 we all knew it wasn't. Good thing too. I'm guessing the Undertaker's return is not something the WWE wanted their internet fans to be disapointed in.

The big shocker on 2/24 was a vignette for 3/3? A vignette that was nearly identical to the WWE's? Is that supposed to saciate the people who wanted the original vignette to be Sting?

It was poor. Plain and simple. Sting's 20th return to TNA is not shocking anyone. The only thing shocking is that TNA outright copied the WWE (not the first time either; btw whatever happened with Angle spitting at Hogan ala Hart/McMahon?). That is why this TNA promo was garbage.

Someone had said that Sting is TNA's Undertaker. Well, Sting is unique. He is not a clone or copy of anyone. He deserved a more unique vignette. I can see other people's point of views but after reading TNA supermarks like IDR and Zevin Zion and shattered dreams try to explain this and scrounge for excuses and reasons, all credibility has been exhausted.

This vignette was pure suck. Sting deserves a better road back into TNA than what he was given. That's a fact. TNA's shocking and unpredictability are once again becoming stale and predictable.

 

[SpecialFNK]

I have read all 24 pages of this thread so far and i seriously cannot understand why people on here think that this promo was a big fuck you to the WWE. It was a god-awful attempt at getting people to tune into TNA. Why would TNA not air similar videos during the build up to Undertaker's return. That way they would actually have people speculating where Sting was going. And when he eventually arrived in TNA it would be holy shit momment because so many people thought he was going to WWE.

But even if it played out that way WWE wouldn't give a rats ass because they had never planned on Sting coming on that date anyways. From day one it was Undertaker. The tuesday after the first promo the WWE said they hadn't even contacted Sting. And during about week 3 they flipping showed the Undertakers face!! So how was this a let down to WWE when they never even planned this! Again TNA fails! I just wish that this company would stop acknowledging WWE and just focus on TNA. They should never be doing this bad.

isn't this all similar to what people said about TNA and MEM? it "appeared" as if TNA was going to reform MEM, even though TNA said after the fact that that was not what they were going to do. doesn't surprise me to see WWE say they hadn't contacted Sting, because if they did contact Sting and he said no that would be a rejection. maybe TNA was going to reform MEM, maybe not. maybe WWE never contacted Sting, maybe not.

TNA copying WWE, except this was done by others long before WWE did it for 2/21/11. so if TNA copied WWE, then WWE copied someone else.
this copying thing is kind of ridiculous. there is probably so much in wrestling that gets done over and over by multiple other promotions, difference is more people will know it was done in WWE since they have been one of the biggest wrestling companies for such a long time now.
and even if there has been blatant copying, I think it could also be how it's done.. like as a joke rather than to be taken seriously.

 

[MPWFchairman]

isn't this all similar to what people said about TNA and MEM? it "appeared" as if TNA was going to reform MEM, even though TNA said after the fact that that was not what they were going to do. doesn't surprise me to see WWE say they hadn't contacted Sting, because if they did contact Sting and he said no that would be a rejection. maybe TNA was going to reform MEM, maybe not. maybe WWE never contacted Sting, maybe not.

TNA copying WWE, except this was done by others long before WWE did it for 2/21/11. so if TNA copied WWE, then WWE copied someone else.
this copying thing is kind of ridiculous. there is probably so much in wrestling that gets done over and over by multiple other promotions, difference is more people will know it was done in WWE since they have been one of the biggest wrestling companies for such a long time now.
and even if there has been blatant copying, I think it could also be how it's done.. like as a joke rather than to be taken seriously.

Your copying argument is very valid lol. I cannot argue with that but why do it as a joke. Why would you not take advantage and air the vignettes at the same time as WWE to create speculation. Their joke was only funny to them and a few fans. Anyone who watched TNA for the first time would have just thought they were ******ed which means they lost a viewer.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

The only thing "shocking" is the fact that the TNA supermarks are consistantly saying that this promo was either great and/or smart.

It was a dig at the WWE? What for? Just to jab? Dumb. Waste.

TNA missed the boat with this promo. It should have been done earlier. The WWE did nothing except run 3 different promos over the course of 3 weeks It was the WWE marks hoping it was Sting and after week 2 we all knew it wasn't. Good thing too. I'm guessing the Undertaker's return is not something the WWE wanted their internet fans to be disapointed in.

The big shocker on 2/24 was a vignette for 3/3? A vignette that was nearly identical to the WWE's? Is that supposed to saciate the people who wanted the original vignette to be Sting?

It was poor. Plain and simple. Sting's 20th return to TNA is not shocking anyone. The only thing shocking is that TNA outright copied the WWE (not the first time either; btw whatever happened with Angle spitting at Hogan ala Hart/McMahon?). That is why this TNA promo was garbage.

Someone had said that Sting is TNA's Undertaker. Well, Sting is unique. He is not a clone or copy of anyone. He deserved a more unique vignette. I can see other people's point of views but after reading TNA supermarks like IDR and Zevin Zion and shattered dreams try to explain this and scrounge for excuses and reasons, all credibility has been exhausted.

This vignette was pure suck. Sting deserves a better road back into TNA than what he was given. That's a fact. TNA's shocking and unpredictability are once again becoming stale and predictable.

You dont get it, TNA didnt copy WWE because it was the same comeback promo they have been using for Sting the last FOUR YEARS. The only thing that changed was that TNA cut out the part showing Sting's face. Every time Sting would leave and come back the TNA Front Office would recycle that clip rather than make a new one.

So TNA really didn't change anything, if they change nothing from how they have done it for years and just show it after a similar NEW promo by a bigger promotion how could TNA rip them off when TNA has done it once a year for 4 years? If you can answer me that you have yourself a winner. And Time Traveling to the future to see the Undertaker's 2011 comeback promo doesnt count.

 

[Rayne]

The sheer volume of response this thread and the activity the TNA section has had since last night is all the proof you people should need that this was in fact "shocking".

If 225+ responses in less than 24 hours in a forum who's threads normally max out around 50 posts per topic isn't shock, I have no idea what is. Similar thing happened when Hogan signed, debuted, and when RVD signed, debuted and won the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. Guess none of those things were "shocking" either?

A popular topic != a shocking topic. Disingenuous of you, because I know you're smarter then that. As a moderator you should have noticed that people love to talk about TNA's failings.

Many of the posts in this thread are about how disappointed people were in the 'biggest surprise of the year'; are we counting the people who were shocked that they weren't surprised?

 

[CrayzChris]

Did TNA really get what they wanted with this promo? Honestly, this entire thread (all 24pages thus far) has been about TNA vs. WWE. I don't think there's been one single post on this thread where anyone actually talked about being excited to see Sting back in TNA.

TNA may have been able to get attention by airing this promo, but I guarantee, it's not the attention they want.

First of all, no one but the normal TNA audience has even seen this promo, and they watch no matter what TNA does. Sting is back, big deal...the ratings won't change.

If you show any WWE fan this video, they will laugh and say "Sting's stupid, he should have came to the WWE" or "TNA sucks, they just copied the WWE promo". You are not going to attract new fans like this.

If TNA is hoping that WWE fans will hear about this, and think "We wanted to see Sting, let's watch TNA". That absolutely will not happen. People wanted to see Sting, IN THE WWE. Sting has been in TNA since the beginning, and no one has ever cared to see him. If they did, the ratings and buy rates, etc. would reflect that.

The excitement about Sting the past month, has been the idea of seeing him in the WWE for the first time. Sting isn't worth anything in TNA, and neither is anyone else. Unfortunately, the WWE is THE major player in the industry. I would LOVE to see TNA step up and give them a run for their money, but stunts like this are the reason that is never going to happen.

TNA is constantly acknowledging the WWE as the superior product, they might not come out and say it - but their actions clearly demonstrate that they feel they are an inferior product.

Every single thing TNA does, is advertised as "the biggest moment in TNA history". Any time someone new is brought in, a new boss is given "power" - they talk about how they are going to "turn the company around". This company has been "turning around" for so long, it's just a dizzy disoriented mess. They constantly put down their own product, every time someone new comes along and "changes the face of TNA". They pretty much go out on TV and say "Everything we have done up to this point, was shit." How can you really support TNA, when they take have no pride in themselves.

Sting will NOT make a difference. He hasn't in the past, and he won't now either.

 

[sfury2005]

Your copying argument is very valid lol. I cannot argue with that but why do it as a joke. Why would you not take advantage and air the vignettes at the same time as WWE to create speculation. Their joke was only funny to them and a few fans. Anyone who watched TNA for the first time would have just thought they were ******ed which means they lost a viewer.

Maybe Sting wasn't signed until after last Thursday so they couldn't do it before.

 

[A Mod's Best Friend (aka Bitch)]

Did TNA really get what they wanted with this promo? Honestly, this entire thread (all 24pages thus far) has been about TNA vs. WWE. I don't think there's been one single post on this thread where anyone actually talked about being excited to see Sting back in TNA.

No, the intent was not for us loyal TNA fans to be excited with Sting coming back to TNA. It's for all the fans that were disappointed with the WWE surprise promo's and vignette's, who will now tune in as they know Sting is actually going to be back in wrestling, only with TNA.

TNA is going to cash in on all the disappointment, which there undoubtedly is due to all the pwned WWE fans who cant handle TNA getting a one up on the WWE. If Sting comes out next week, cuts a promo that he denied a WWE offer, it will make OTHER fans of OTHER organisations take TNA legitimately in the wrestling world.

Im all for it.

 

[SharpShooter083]

No, the intent was not for us loyal TNA fans to be excited with Sting coming back to TNA. It's for all the fans that were disappointed with the WWE surprise promo's and vignette's, who will now tune in as they know Sting is actually going to be back in wrestling, only with TNA.

TNA is going to cash in on all the disappointment, which there undoubtedly is due to all the pwned WWE fans who cant handle TNA getting a one up on the WWE. If Sting comes out next week, cuts a promo that he denied a WWE offer, it will make OTHER fans of OTHER organisations take TNA legitimately in the wrestling world.

Im all for it.

TNA isn't going to cash in on this by any means. Sting coming back to TNA isn't going to change anything for them by any means. The promos WWE did were to hype The Undertaker's return in time for WrestleMania. WWE even acknowledged during the time the promos aired that they haven't even been in talks with Sting, therefore TNA didn't get one over on them. This is TNA trying to be cool and stick it to the internet fans, which ironically is who they cater to the most. That makes sense right?? There aren't many firsts anymore in pro wrestling. If Sting did come to WWE it would have been fun to watch because it's something that has NEVER happened in this business before, a rarity. But in reality anyone would have known that Sting coming to WWE at this stage in his life isn't a reality. TNA needs to worry more about they're own product then taking jabs at WWE whenever they can. Makes them look extremely 2nd rate.

 

[CrayzChris]

No, the intent was not for us loyal TNA fans to be excited with Sting coming back to TNA. It's for all the fans that were disappointed with the WWE surprise promo's and vignette's, who will now tune in as they know Sting is actually going to be back in wrestling, only with TNA.

That's my point. He's in TNA. WWE fans don't just want to see STING, they want to see him in a WWE ring. They hoped to see Sting vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania. Two legendary guys facing off for the first time, at the biggest show of the year. TNA cannot possibly deliver something even remotely similar to what the fans were hoping for. WWE fans want to see Sting fight WWE guys, not a bunch of guys they've never heard of.

Fans have had the opportunity to see Sting in TNA for years, no one cared.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

And that's your own, personal opinion. You're entitled to it and there's nothing wrong with that. I like Sting and I hope he returns. He's TNA's Undertaker if you will.

What I have a problem with are angry WWE fans who crap on TNA for doing something smart. What I have a problem with are WWE fans who claim that TNA is copying WWE, when it's doing the exact opposite - it's making fun of it.

Gonna stop you right there. Are you saying that TNA needs to rely on the WWE's own marketing, WWE's own ideas to hype the return of (arguably) one of TNA's biggest stars on the roster?

If they wanted to make fun of WWE, they should have, you know, actually made fun of the WWE rather than use WWE's own marketing tactic to advertise an actual, major return. It wasn't a parody. It was a blatant steal. Nobody is supposed to be laughing. They used WWE's marketing to advertise Sting. Period.

A month ago WWE fans felt high and mighty that Booker and Nash signed with WWE instead of staying with TNA and ruined TNA's alledged plans for an MEM reunion. They were praising Nash's twitter posts about TNA, loving every moment of it and liking it a bit more because it was a slap in the face of TNA. Did the threads garner 20.000 views? I really don't think so.

I don't know what that has to do with Sting, or TNA, but you have a major victim complex, as if you, the TNA fan, are somehow being persecuted.

Now TNA slaps WWE and its fans in the face by mocking THEIR Undertaker return, parodying it and (hopefully) bringing in the ACTUAL Stinger. The thread blew up, 21 pages, over 20.000 views thanks to all the WWE fans who got all ********* over it.

The fact that TNA even have to mention the WWE at all in order to advertise one of their biggest stars is pretty pathetic, wouldn't you think?

WWE can fuck with TNA, but TNA can't fuck with WWE and its fans WITH A REASON. Is that how it is these days?

When did WWE fuck with TNA? The last time the WWE even acknowledged TNA's existence, and this is HIGHLY debatable, is when Kaval referred to his own gimmick as "Total Nonstop Action."

You fuckers had it coming. You've been on TNA's ass for the last 8 years, hating it no matter what they have on TV. This is the least they could do.

What fuckers? You're not talking to the WWE personally. You're talking to WWE or TNA fans, neither of which have shit to do with their respective companies. Take it easy.

 

[Dizzy]

That's my point. He's in TNA. WWE fans don't just want to see STING, they want to see him in a WWE ring. They hoped to see Sting vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania. Two legendary guys facing off for the first time, at the biggest show of the year. TNA cannot possibly deliver something even remotely similar to what the fans were hoping for. WWE fans want to see Sting fight WWE guys, not a bunch of guys they've never heard of.

Fans have had the opportunity to see Sting in TNA for years, no one cared.

They want to see Sting. They don't want to see him in TNA. That's the problem.

If Sting went to WWE, the WWE marks would basically praise him for leaving the company. If he stays with TNA, he's wasting his time and wasting his career.

It's just hypocritical.

 

[CrayzChris]

They want to see Sting. They don't want to see him in TNA. That's the problem.

If Sting went to WWE, the WWE marks would basically praise him for leaving the company. If he stays with TNA, he's wasting his time and wasting his career.

It's just hypocritical.

It's not hypocritical, it's the truth. WWE fans want to see Sting, in a WWE ring - not in TNA. It's not like Sting is coming back from a 10 year hiatus. He was in TNA just a few months ago. If the fans REALLY honestly cared about Sting, they would have been watching TNA for the past 8 years to see him.

Besides, what could TNA possibly do with Sting that they haven't already done? Who, in TNA can Sting fight, that he's never fought before?

People wanted to see Sting in the WWE for the historical value. Sting back in TNA again...not a big deal. Sting in the WWE for the first time in his career...big deal!

Hulk Hogan hobbling down to the ring in TNA...meaningless. Hulk Hogan hobbling down to a WWE ring, in red and yellow with "Real American" blasting through the arena...HUGE.

The WWE has been around way longer, and has a way deeper and richer history than TNA does. That's why everything means more in the WWE.

The WWE's marketing team is top notch. That's why Flair, Angle, Foley, Anderson, The Hardys, Hogan, etc. can all go to TNA, and the WWE doesn't miss a beat. TNA has HUGE stars, but they don't know how to market them.

Sting is just another example of this.

 

[SpecialFNK]

most of what WWE does, awesome!
most of what TNA does, that sucks!
this is what WWE fans think, regardless of what it is is WWE or TNA does.
ridiculous. smh.

I wish people would stop with the copying/stealing of WWE. if WWE did it first fine, but they didn't! TNA has already hyped a Sting return with a video numerous times! and if you want to say TNA is using 3/3/11 copying WWE 2/21/11 then I guess you could say WWE is copying TNA because TNA just recently did 10/10/10.

WWE said they had no contact with Sting. and of course everything that is said is the truth right? so I guess then TNA had no intention of reforming MEM, because they said that is not what they were doing. yet everyone assumed WWE screwed TNA because TNA was going to reform MEM but WWE signed Nash and Booker. but WWE had no contact with Sting? at the same time they were bringing back Nash/Booker?

this Sting return is going to be bigger, I guarantee.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

It's not hypocritical, it's the truth. WWE fans want to see Sting, in a WWE ring - not in TNA. It's not like Sting is coming back from a 10 year hiatus. He was in TNA just a few months ago. If the fans REALLY honestly cared about Sting, they would have been watching TNA for the past 8 years to see him.

Besides, what could TNA possibly do with Sting that they haven't already done? Who, in TNA can Sting fight, that he's never fought before?

People wanted to see Sting in the WWE for the historical value. Sting back in TNA again...not a big deal. Sting in the WWE for the first time in his career...big deal!

Hulk Hogan hobbling down to the ring in TNA...meaningless. Hulk Hogan hobbling down to a WWE ring, in red and yellow with "Real American" blasting through the arena...HUGE.

The WWE has been around way longer, and has a way deeper and richer history than TNA does. That's why everything means more in the WWE.

The WWE's marketing team is top notch. That's why Flair, Angle, Foley, Anderson, The Hardys, Hogan, etc. can all go to TNA, and the WWE doesn't miss a beat. TNA has HUGE stars, but they don't know how to market them.

Sting is just another example of this.

So if that's the case, TNA can't expand and grow bigger because the fans are MORONS. They'd enjoy Hogan in WWE, but not in TNA. That means that TNA could bring God in the center of the ring, and WWE fans will turn atheist so fast it'll make your head spin.

"WE WANT STING! ... but not in TNA!".

What does that prove? That WWE fans watch WWE because of the big arena, the loud music, the pyros, and so on. If WWE was running their shows in a small arena like the Impact Zone, WWE fans wouldn't watch. SO HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CALL YOURSELVES FANS?

Here's the difference. TNA fans will watch and enjoy TNA in a small arena, in an alley, in a bingo hall or a huge arena BECAUSE WE LOVE THE PRODUCT! To us Hogan walking down the isle is as exciting as Hogan walking down the WWE isle with "Real American" blasting through the PA system in the WWE for the WWE fans. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU FUCKTARDS COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND!

We watch TNA because we love it, regardless of the production. And you just said that WWE fans will love Hogan if he's in WWE thanks to all the huge production and the marketing, but hate him in TNA because of those same reasons. Those people are not fans, they're idiots, and it's not WWE killing the business - it's them.

Case fucking closed. The majority of the WWE fans are pieces of shit.

 

[Rayne]

I've spent the past few weeks tearing apart the logical fallacies people throw out on these boards, but I like tearing apart your logical fallacies the most. They're very obvious and it makes my job easier.

From the top!

So if that's the case, TNA can't expand and grow bigger because the fans are MORONS. They'd enjoy Hogan in WWE, but not in TNA. That means that TNA could bring God in the center of the ring, and WWE fans will turn atheist so fast it'll make your head spin.

"WE WANT STING! ... but not in TNA!".

What does that prove? That WWE fans watch WWE because of the big arena, the loud music, the pyros, and so on. If WWE was running their shows in a small arena like the Impact Zone, WWE fans wouldn't watch. SO HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CALL YOURSELVES FANS?

Let's start with this leap to conclusions. Because some people would like to see one particular wrestler wrestle a couple of matches against people he's never worked with, you seem to think that implies that those people would like to see anyone wrestling in TNA over in the WWE. From here, we take the further leap that anyone who watches the WWE only does it because they're a brainwashed slob.

Here's an alternate solution that makes a hell of a lot more sense then having to refer to everyone who disagrees with you as morons blinded by television glitz- maybe some people just wanted to watch Sting work with people they haven't seen him work with before. They don't want to see "Sting"; they want to see a wrestling legend wrestle people he hasn't before.

Of course, it makes for easier posting if you just refer to everyone who disagrees with you as a moron.

Here's the difference. TNA fans will watch and enjoy TNA in a small arena, in an alley, in a bingo hall or a huge arena BECAUSE WE LOVE THE PRODUCT! To us Hogan walking down the isle is as exciting as Hogan walking down the WWE isle with "Real American" blasting through the PA system in the WWE for the WWE fans. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU FUCKTARDS COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND!

Actually? Reading these boards? TNA's most loyal supporters seem to be fans because they're angry at the WWE. I've heard rants from yourself, shattered dreams, and IDR, all about how they watch TNA because the WWE offers them nothing.

It's pretty easy to understand, actually. You were dissatisfied with one product, and moved onto another. You, personally, have an absolutely raging martyr complex, so playing the put-upon TNA fan is right up your alley.

And you just said that WWE fans will love Hogan if he's in WWE thanks to all the huge production and the marketing, but hate him in TNA because of those same reasons. Those people are not fans, they're idiots, and it's not WWE killing the business - it's them.

No, he didn't say that. YOU made that up. Remember that "strawman" thing we discussed just a couple of days ago? There it is again. You aren't arguing what he said; you're telling him what his opinion is, then arguing against that.

Case fucking closed. The majority of the WWE fans are pieces of shit.

And you are just the paragon of integrity, aren't you?

 

[CrayzChris]

So if that's the case, TNA can't expand and grow bigger because the fans are MORONS. They'd enjoy Hogan in WWE, but not in TNA. That means that TNA could bring God in the center of the ring, and WWE fans will turn atheist so fast it'll make your head spin.

"WE WANT STING! ... but not in TNA!".

What does that prove? That WWE fans watch WWE because of the big arena, the loud music, the pyros, and so on. If WWE was running their shows in a small arena like the Impact Zone, WWE fans wouldn't watch. SO HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CALL YOURSELVES FANS?

Here's the difference. TNA fans will watch and enjoy TNA in a small arena, in an alley, in a bingo hall or a huge arena BECAUSE WE LOVE THE PRODUCT! To us Hogan walking down the isle is as exciting as Hogan walking down the WWE isle with "Real American" blasting through the PA system in the WWE for the WWE fans. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU FUCKTARDS COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND!

We watch TNA because we love it, regardless of the production. And you just said that WWE fans will love Hogan if he's in WWE thanks to all the huge production and the marketing, but hate him in TNA because of those same reasons. Those people are not fans, they're idiots, and it's not WWE killing the business - it's them.

Case fucking closed. The majority of the WWE fans are pieces of shit.

First of all, I wouldn't consider myself a "fucktard"...thanks. Nor am I a WWE Mark. I have been a wrestling fan my entire life, and I have watched pretty much any company that has been accessible to me. I go to ROH, Chikara, and other indy shows on a regular basis.

The problem with "TNA Marks" is that they want TNA to be the best promotion in the world. They want TNA to take a serious shot at the WWE. However, when the comparisons are made to the WWE product, everyone is a "fucktard".

The WWE is the number one promotion in LARGE part because of the production value, and their ability to market their talent. That is a fact!!

TNA has an awesome roster, full of great IN RING performers. However, they have terrible "characters" and it's very difficult to become emotionally invested in their storylines, when you don't know or care about their characters.

They hire former WWE and WCW talent, and all that does is make them look even worse. Not because they are "stealing" talent, because I don't believe in that nonsense. But because they take established stars, and then don't know what to do with them. There is not one former WWE or WCW talent that is BETTER OFF in TNA, than they were at their previous employer.

I have been watching TNA since Ken Shamrock was world champion. I have seen AJ Styles, Kazarian, Beer Money, and the rest, since day one. And not one of those guys have a "character". I know that every one of them can put on a great match, and I look forward to seeing those matches. But I just don't CARE about them, and I have no reason to. They are just generic guys who put on great matches. Big deal.

The WWE takes the time to develop their characters. That's why a guy like Hogan means more in the WWE. Hogan is just a man, but in the WWE, he is a God. The Red & Yellow, Real American...that is a huge part of the Hulk Hogan character. That is how he made his money, that's how he made his mark on this industry. So when he goes somewhere else, and doesn't have all that with him, his stock goes down.

Case in point, the Dudley Boys. WWE owned their name, and their "gimmick". They have been in TNA for years, and still have not been able to find a way to market themsleves.

People want to see Sting in the WWE, because they know that the WWE would make him relevent again. Sting could have matches, that would cement his fading Legendary status in the business. Sting vs. Undertaker or Triple H = Money. Sting vs. anyone in TNA? We've seen it already, and it's never really mattered.

I don't consider myself a WWE Fan, or a TNA fan....I consider myself a wrestling fan.

If TNA wants to seriously compete with the WWE, and the "TNA marks" want TNA to compete with the WWE, they have to sit back and try to understand what makes the WWE a better product. It's not a blow to TNA to say the WWE is the superior product. It's fact.

TNA can deliver the goods in the ring. They have a very talented roster who can put on great matches. So what? So does ROH, so does Evolve, so does DragonGate, so does Chikara. I am happy to support all of those organizations, and I'm a fan of every one of them.

What sets TNA apart from those companies, is their obsession with over-taking the WWE. TNA and their "fans" talk a huge game. They are constantly taking shots at the WWE, but when ANYONE calls out TNA, they back pedal or resort to name calling.

Is John Morrison better than Kazarian? Maybe, maybe not....but he sure as hell looks more like a star.

Is Sheamus better than Matt Morgan? Maybe...maybe not...but he sure looks more like a star.

Is Mr. Anderson better than The Miz? Probably....but the Miz looks like a star.

Even the Legendary, "Custom made from head to toe" Ric Flair...just looks like an old guy who's down on his luck.

Samoa Joe? C'mon...you get the idea.

Go down the list...it's true in every case. The WWE talent look better...so they are better. Period. That's all because of the WWE's production value, and marketing ability.

If TNA seriously wants to compete with the WWE, which they do (except when they are called out on it), then they need to acknowledge their faults, and fix them.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Let's start with this leap to conclusions. Because some people would like to see one particular wrestler wrestle a couple of matches against people he's never worked with, you seem to think that implies that those people would like to see anyone wrestling in TNA over in the WWE. From here, we take the further leap that anyone who watches the WWE only does it because they're a brainwashed slob.

Here's an alternate solution that makes a hell of a lot more sense then having to refer to everyone who disagrees with you as morons blinded by television glitz- maybe some people just wanted to watch Sting work with people they haven't seen him work with before. They don't want to see "Sting"; they want to see a wrestling legend wrestle people he hasn't before.

Of course, it makes for easier posting if you just refer to everyone who disagrees with you as a moron.

Not everyone, just the morons.

Yes, WWE fans wanted to see Sting face someone he's never worked with. They marked out, they wanted him. But why did they mark out for Booker T and Nash? You heard the pops. Was it because of the possibility of them working with someone, or because they heard their classic theme songs, they saw their entrances, remembered of how it used to be when these guys were around? Was it because they're such great assets to the company, or was it because it was a blast from the past. The excitement was generated by the music, the entrance, the lights, the fact that they're back in WWE, not the possibility of them wrestling Jack Swagger.

And here's a fun thought. If WWE fans are so excited about Sting being in WWE to wrestle someone he never wrestled before, why are they not equally as excited to see Ric Flair wrestle Jay Lethal or AJ Styles. Why are they not excited to maybe see Sting vs Jeff Hardy or Sting versus Mr.Anderson? Are wrestlers only good when they're in the WWE? Is that why people turn on former WWE wrestlers for going to TNA? The same wrestlers they praised? This is where the brainwashing comes from. "If it's WWE, it's good. If it goes to TNA, it's bad". Look around the forums, it's always been like that.

Actually? Reading these boards? TNA's most loyal supporters seem to be fans because they're angry at the WWE. I've heard rants from yourself, shattered dreams, and IDR, all about how they watch TNA because the WWE offers them nothing.

It's pretty easy to understand, actually. You were dissatisfied with one product, and moved onto another. You, personally, have an absolutely raging martyr complex, so playing the put-upon TNA fan is right up your alley.

OR I can't stand the WWE's bromidic, boring, repetitive product, infested with half-assing wrestlers who don't know what the hell they're doing in the ring - so they're told to "slow down", and don't know the first thing about cutting a promo - so their promos are scripted word for word. God am I wrong for not liking it.

No, he didn't say that. YOU made that up. Remember that "strawman" thing we discussed just a couple of days ago? There it is again. You aren't arguing what he said; you're telling him what his opinion is, then arguing against that.

He didn't say that? Let's rewind.

"Hulk Hogan hobbling down to the ring in TNA...meaningless. Hulk Hogan hobbling down to a WWE ring, in red and yellow with "Real American" blasting through the arena...HUGE."

He goes on to say that TNA doesn't know how to market them. I suppose it's true in some other dimension, but how has TNA marketed them differently from the WWE? Hogan can't go down the ramp with his Real American tune blasting because it's copyrighted, he doesn't go down the ramp in his gear because he can't wrestle. Flair on the other hand is even better than he was in the WWE, and Foley is the same except for a theme song.

What differs is the history they have with WWE, and I understand that. It means something when they're in WWE. But how come it doesn't mean anything when they're in TNA? Is because they're not "marketed well", or is it because you wouldn't allow yourself to like them in another company? They're still the same wrestlers you mark out for. Or are they when they're in TNA? Hogan in WWE is The Real American, the man who made it what it is. Hogan in TNA is old, broken down, egomaniac, there for the money. Hypocritical to the bone aren't we?

See, I used to be a WWE fan, a mark just like the rest and I hated TNA for absolutely no reason other than the fact it's not WWE. I loved Foley in WWE, but when I found out that he went to TNA the first thought that crossed my mind was "fucking traitor". I know for a fact that the majority of this forum thinks the exact same way about all the WWE guys who got fired/left and went to TNA, because they act in the same ignorant fashion I did.

Fortunately, I did what a lot of WWE fans can't do. I gave TNA a chance. I looked past the IWC remarks about TNA being a spot-fest, a hillbilly company, TNA this, TNA that, and I started enjoying it to the point where WWE's product looked stale, boring and couldn't match TNA's. I don't like WWE, because it's not as good as TNA in my eyes.

WWE fans watch WWE as just that - fans, but at the same time feel entitled to watch TNA as critics, as bookers, as CEOs. "Oh they did this wrong, they should've done that". Look at most of the threads in the TNA section. They're not started by TNA fans, they're started by TNA critics. Even ninja critics. "First of all, I don't hate TNA, I'm a fan .. BUT MAN TNA SUCKS!". TNA gets buried for the exact same shit WWE's doing. There are mistakes they do that cannot possibly be justified, and TNA is getting chastized for them with a reason. But everything? For fuck's sake I've heard fans complain that TNA ReAction was spelled ReAction not Reaction.

And you are just the paragon of integrity, aren't you?

Not by a long shot.