2pac vs . The Beetles

[BooCocky]

2pac Made Hip hop what it is today.

Brian you put up #1 hits I put up songs with MEANING

yeah the Beatles didn't create songs with meaning. Did you ever fucking listen to the Beatles?

 

[Jane]

We're just debating.

 

[Jane]

One more. You say that The Beatles had no meaning? I know this isn't The Beatles, but it's Lennon. Close enough.

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Now that is meaning.

 

[BooCocky]

The Beatles are so fucking great, Michael Jackson outbid McCartney for the rights to the Beatles.

 

[The Dewbliners]

yeah the Beatles didn't create songs with meaning. Did you ever fucking listen to the Beatles?

I know, right? Granted, Pac had a couple of "meaningful" songs, I guess. But, the majority of his cuts were about one of three subjects. 1) Bitches and Hoes. 2)Money. 3)How "California knows how to party". That's all his songs, broken down to three bullet points. BTW, kid wasn't even from Cali.

 

[Jane]

Im gonna go a different route and say that, even though The Beatle's were a huge influence on music, this isn't the reason I would call them rated correctly. They just are a great band. Actually, they are probably my favourite band. Pink Floyd and Hendrix were more influential, but does that make them better? No, just different. A band could come around one day and start screaming into a microphone and it would be called influential to all the idiots who flocked to buy this genre. Actually, that exact thing happened with all the crap music today. But what i'm saying is, a band doesn't have to be the most influential to be the best. Not to put down Floyd and Hendrix. Others of my favourites. But The Beatles are great.

Anyway, back on topic. The Beatles were around 8 years. And in these years they accomplished alot more than a band like the Rolling Stones has done in 43 years. This was a big part of it. Who knows if The Beatles could of still kept it up. The best part is they never reached that point where they were releasing songs just to release songs, and I really don't hate any one. "Revolution 9" isn't a song. There are a few I don't love, but they all have their own charm. Someone said "Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da." This song is fun and I think it was just so they could have some fun, and alot of people like the upbeat tune. The Beatle's were on top of the world when they quit. Maybe it wasn't the high point of Beatlemania, but they were still huge. They had released the most controversial album of all time, The White Ablum, put out the incredible Abbey Road, and were already completed Let It Be, which had some amazing songs. They were young and still at the top of there game.

Now for the individual songs. The early ones were great, "Please Please Me," "She Loves You," and "Love Me Do," all set the tone for a great future. Though these songs were good, they weren't even the best they could do, because next up we have a couple of albums I kind of group, despite being pretty different. The sound tracks you could say. "A Hard Days Night" and "Help!" became two of the most played radio songs of all time, and the albums included some great songs that can sometimes be overlooked, such as "Can't Buy Me Love," "It's Only Love," and "I've Just Seen a Face," are all good songs and it was around this time The Beatles began their transformation from the mop tops to the new Beatles of Rubber Soul. Speaking of which, next up is my third favourite album of all time. Rubber Soul had some of the most incredible songs I have ever listened to, and it all flowed nicely. I love the catchy songs like "Drive My Car," "The Word," and "You Won't See Me." We had some dark tones with "Girl," and the weakest point of the album, "Run For Your Life." Of course you also have the incredible "In My Life," a song that really gets to me. Some other good ones are "Nowhere Man," "Norwegian Wood," and "Michelle." Then in 1966 came Revolver, the most revolutionary album of the time period, I think. The song had some of the best there ever will be. My second favourite album included the acid-ridden "She Said, She Said," the beautiful "For No One," the trippy "Tommorow Never Knows," the million dollar childrens song "Yellow Submarine," and my favourite of the album, "I'm Only Sleeping." The album completed the transition: The Cavern playing boys from Liverpool to the mysterious death faking Beatles of the late 60s. The next year we got Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. We got megahits like "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds," "A Day in the Life," and "With a Little Help from My Friends." Their are also a handful of underrated tracks like "Getting Better," "Lovely Rita and "She's Leaving Home." Up next is Magical Mystery Tour. Ok, so despite all the criticism of the movie, and the "reused" tracks, this album has three things that make it what it is. "I Am The Walrus," "Penny Lane," and "Strawberry Fields Forever." These songs are incredible. They are three different styles, all on one album, and all going down in history. The next album is probably the most confusing and mysterious album of all time. People would buy this album just to listen to "Revolution 9," or the little bit of "I'm So Tired" backwards. But it wasn't all about that. You had so many songs on one album. I'll just name some of the best. You had "Rocky Racoon" covering your "country," "Julia" to relax you and take you away to another place, "Yer Blues" for, uh, blues? I don't really know. Anyway, every sone has special meaning. Great album, but next comes the greatest album of all time. Abbey Road took everything great about the Beatles and put it on one album. "Octopus Garden" was just a fun song giving Ringo something to do. "Here Comes the Sun" is Georges greatest song of all time. "Oh! Darling" was a masterpeice in my opinion. "Come Together" was a nice one too. Listening to the side two medley, you just sit there and get transported away to a new world. When "The End" comes, even years later, you feel as if something, a legacy, is over. Then comes Let It Be, which included some good ones, though this is an example of why The Beatles saved themselves by breaking up early. I kinda wish it never came out, and "Let It Be" and "Across the Universe" were singles cause the rest kinda weren't worth it. But it still couldn't tarnish thier reputation.

In conclusion, I know I went a bit off topic, but I wanted to just say that The Beatles had so many great songs that they could never be overrated. You were probably thinking that I forgot "Get Back," and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps," and, of course, "Hey Jude." Well thats the thing. They have so many songs that I can't even list them all. They have to many. They deserve all the praise not for influence, but for the memory of what they were. All the girls who fainted at the sight, all the people who spent days listening to the end of "Strawberry Fields Forever," all the people who rushed home to hear what The Beatles released next. That is why they are the most incredible band of all time, and why nobody could ever overrate them.

And they were more popular than Jesus. Not better, more popular.

Just something I wrote in my mega noob days. Just thought I would throw it out there.

 

[Lil Wes]

Beatles fucking suck.

Pac FTW.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

The Beetles and Pac had one thing in common, they both got high when recording, and where both seen as geniouses of there time, The fact is that if you love hip hop or love pop or even love christian music , the beetles have been sampled in hip hop before and pac has probably used some beetles samples in his music, so as far as im concerned you saying they suck means that you have no idea who they are or even respect there music, but its still a valid opinion because its your opinion non the less, but take some time to listen to them before making a judgement call on weather they suck or not

 

[Deadman]

The Beetles and Pac had one thing in common, they both got high when recording, and where both seen as geniouses of there time, The fact is that if you love hip hop or love pop or even love christian music , the beetles have been sampled in hip hop before and pac has probably used some beetles samples in his music, so as far as im concerned you saying they suck means that you have no idea who they are or even respect there music, but its still a valid opinion because its your opinion non the less, but take some time to listen to them before making a judgement call on weather they suck or not

When did I say they suck?

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Look at Big Wes's post im not talking about you Deadman just adding to the topic of discussion at hand, In fact i was attempting to let Wes and any one else know that hip hop has alot of history in rock, pop and other genres, the constant sampling of other peoples music has helped hip hop carve its niche, and material such as those of groups like the beetles helped pave the way, so he needs to look at history first before commenting

 

[klunderbunker]

You want to talk influence? Ok then, let's talk influence. Where to begin?

Ok, you want to talk about music videos? First band ever to have what is now considered a music video? The Beatles.

February 4, 1964-The Beatles appear on the Ed Sullivan Show. 74 million people, or approximately half of the country watch them. Not half of a demographic or half of the people with televisions, half of the country period.

First huge stadium show-Shea Stadium in front of 55,600 people who sold out in 17 minutes. First time ever that a band had played a huge stadium.

The Beatles were the first band to wear their hair long, which was called the mop top. This was viewed as a big step in counter culture. Mixing this with their advocation of legalizing drug use and many of their drug induced songs and they are arguably one of the bigger reasons for the American counter culture movement of the 1970s.

But of course, none of these things are as important as being shot. Lennon of course was shot, but Tupac was shot better right? It's not like the Beatles are in their 70s and have a reunion concert coming up next month for the surviving members or anything. It's not like they're STILL releasing albums of their stuff, forty plus years later or anything. Let's just go with this. Ask 100 people over the age of 30 to tell you Tupac's last name. Then ask them to give you the Beatles full name. See what happens.

 

[Deadman]

You want to talk influence? Ok then, let's talk influence. Where to begin?

Ok, you want to talk about music videos? First band ever to have what is now considered a music video? The Beatles.

February 4, 1964-The Beatles appear on the Ed Sullivan Show. 74 million people, or approximately half of the country watch them. Not half of a demographic or half of the people with televisions, half of the country period.

First huge stadium show-Shea Stadium in front of 55,600 people who sold out in 17 minutes. First time ever that a band had played a huge stadium.

The Beatles were the first band to wear their hair long, which was called the mop top. This was viewed as a big step in counter culture. Mixing this with their advocation of legalizing drug use and many of their drug induced songs and they are arguably one of the bigger reasons for the American counter culture movement of the 1970s.

But of course, none of these things are as important as being shot. Lennon of course was shot, but Tupac was shot better right? It's not like the Beatles are in their 70s and have a reunion concert coming up next month for the surviving members or anything. It's not like they're STILL releasing albums of their stuff, forty plus years later or anything. Let's just go with this. Ask 100 people over the age of 30 to tell you Tupac's last name. Then ask them to give you the Beatles full name. See what happens.

I said nothing about being shot is important. The aftermath of that made him a king.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

You want to talk influence? Ok then, let's talk influence. Where to begin?

Ok, you want to talk about music videos? First band ever to have what is now considered a music video? The Beatles.

February 4, 1964-The Beatles appear on the Ed Sullivan Show. 74 million people, or approximately half of the country watch them. Not half of a demographic or half of the people with televisions, half of the country period.

First huge stadium show-Shea Stadium in front of 55,600 people who sold out in 17 minutes. First time ever that a band had played a huge stadium.

The Beatles were the first band to wear their hair long, which was called the mop top. This was viewed as a big step in counter culture. Mixing this with their advocation of legalizing drug use and many of their drug induced songs and they are arguably one of the bigger reasons for the American counter culture movement of the 1970s.

But of course, none of these things are as important as being shot. Lennon of course was shot, but Tupac was shot better right? It's not like the Beatles are in their 70s and have a reunion concert coming up next month for the surviving members or anything. It's not like they're STILL releasing albums of their stuff, forty plus years later or anything. Let's just go with this. Ask 100 people over the age of 30 to tell you Tupac's last name. Then ask them to give you the Beatles full name. See what happens.

Youve totally solidified my point Klunder, if you where a girl i would seriously would buy you a drink lol, thats exactly right the Beetles have more influence over the industry today and are still recognized, Tupac has influence inside of hip hop but outside he barley scratches the surface

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I said nothing about being shot is important. The aftermath of that made him a king.

Tupac was talented but the fact is it was the whole stigma of him getting shot that has made him great, the sad truth is that hes merely a tool of oversaturation. used by Interscope to make more and more records, also if you want to check a list of all time selling artists, check out Pac's sales and compare them to the beetles and trust me the beetles will win hands down

 

[klunderbunker]

So what if he was shot? That gives him more credibility or something? Why does that make him more impressive?

 

[Deadman]

I can not believe you don't get it.


2pac after getting shot had rage anger in his mind he had a story to tell KB. FACT

His story changed rap. Fact

African Culture FACT.

Made a gang war Bloods vs. Crips

and civil war 2 West vs. East

 

[klunderbunker]

So, it's good that his getting shot started a war that caused more death and violence?

 

[Deadman]

So, it's good that his getting shot started a war that caused more death and violence?

lawz

KB Pac was not responsible truly so you know who Suge Knight is?

Puff Dady? What about him?

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I can not believe you don't get it.


2pac after getting shot had rage anger in his mind he had a story to tell KB. FACT

His story changed rap. Fact

African Culture FACT.

Made a gang war Bloods vs. Crips

and civil war 2 West vs. East

Dude you need to check your facts, East vs West was a label wide situation nothing to do with Pac getting shot, It was more to do with bad boy records vs death row, secondly he made hip hop more commercial he didnt change the face of rap fact

He is not apart of african culture, because your saying drugs and guns are apart of african culture because Pac mainly stood for gangster rap

Please do me a favour do some research before you comment anymore on Pac because this is getting silly

 

[klunderbunker]

I can not believe you don't get it.


2pac after getting shot had rage anger in his mind he had a story to tell KB. FACT

His story changed rap. Fact

African Culture FACT.

Made a gang war Bloods vs. Crips

and civil war 2 West vs. East

His getting shot makes a gang war. Gang wars are now good?

 

[KombatAlt]

Lol, Tupac got shot and died... 1 Of the Beatles got shot and died.
Beatles had more influence on music, and created psychedellic rock, and Tupac had BETTER music and turned hip-hop mainstream.
The Beetles would get high and write random bs, but it ended sounding really good. Tupac use to think of black poetry and apply it to his life, then he'd keep it gangsta and rap it out. The Beetles and Tupac both started out prmoting bad things like drugs and gang-banging, but then after a while they then started to promote things like activism, anti-gang stuff, the power of music, love, and peace. They are both icons, both legends, but the award goes to Tupac. He accomplished more in his short-lived career, inspired more people, and was the first rapper to promote good later on in his career. It was really hard deciding between these two. I think Deadman just made my mind menstruate...

 

[klunderbunker]

Kombatstar, you're wrong.

Tupac did not sell more albums, period. The Beatles have sold more albums than any artist in history.

What are these accomplishments?

The idea that he inspired more people is just wrong. The Beatles inspired just about every rock band in post 1965 rock history. I'm going on a limb and saying that's more than Tupac did.

 

[Deadman]

Dude you need to check your facts, East vs West was a label wide situation nothing to do with Pac getting shot, It was more to do with bad boy records vs death row, secondly he made hip hop more commercial he didnt change the face of rap fact

He is not apart of african culture, because your saying drugs and guns are apart of african culture because Pac mainly stood for gangster rap

Please do me a favour do some research before you comment anymore on Pac because this is getting silly

PAC vs BIGGIE was what made the Eats and the West feud and the 94 shooting blown up by the media dumbass

The comment about African culture you are taking his music a diffrent way

Pac was one of the most respectful rappers you could meet Hell most of his music was helping a black person when he is down.


Rap 80: Rock

Rap 90's: Gangster + Black Power all Pac FACT

 

[klunderbunker]

Deadman, as usual you're missing the point.

No one is saying Tupac wasn't influential because he certainly was. he's likely the most influential rapper of all time.

The Beatles however blow him and every other musician of all time away. They changed American culture, not just hip hop culture.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Lol, Tupac got shot and died... 1 Of the Beatles got shot and died.
Beatles had more influence on music, and created psychedellic rock, and Tupac had BETTER music and turned hip-hop mainstream.
The Beetles would get high and write random bs, but it ended sounding really good. Tupac use to think of black poetry and apply it to his life, then he'd keep it gangsta and rap it out. The Beetles and Tupac both started out prmoting bad things like drugs and gang-banging, but then after a while they then started to promote things like activism, anti-gang stuff, the power of music, love, and peace. They are both icons, both legends, but the award goes to Tupac. He accomplished more in his short-lived career, sold more albums, inspired more people, and was the first rapper to promote good later on in his career. It was really hard deciding between these two. I think Deadman just made my mind menstruate...

Ok Im gonna break this down for you

Tupac Album Sales 16 Million +

Beetles Album Sales 172 Million +

Credit Soundscan.com and Wikipedia.org

The sales records alone shows that The Beatles still thrive and that Tupace Shakures sales dont match