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2017 Royal Rumble: Who The Hell Knows?

Because there was no need to have him in at number 30. He didn't need to be in the Rumble tonight especially after his history in the Rumble. Of course he was going to get booed when it looked like he was going to win it.

I appreciated the way WWE surprised me when he lost.

He was also probably in the top five performers tonight. The guy put in a really good match with Owens and did well in his role in the Rumble.

Cena and Styles were some variation of 1 and 1a but Reigns was terrific tonight as well.

Honorable mention to Charlotte even though I didn't see her match.

Anyone else want AJ v Charlotte for the main event of WM this year? Just kidding, sort of.
 
There's definitely a reason. He's one of the most popular young(er) guys they have, despite smarks being loudly opposed to his very existence. That's the reason, and it was the right choice. Who else could it be? There were no surprise entrants to use and they had to set up Reigns vs. Taker.

Don't say he shouldn't have been there when you actually mean you just didn't want him there.

He shouldn't need have been there because me and a hell of a lot of other people were pissed off by him been number 30. They may as well have had him run in and take 'Taker out instead of putting a sour taste in a lot of mouths.

I aren't denying he was good tonight against Owens but over saturation is the reason he's in the position he in.
 
This was one hell of a Rumble for me.

WM 33 is not Taker's last Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania 34 takes place in Orlando, the same city the Streak was broken. I think Undertaker will suffer his second loss there, the same city he suffered his first and then retire. I hope Cena vs Taker is being saved for then.

One thing though...

DON'T DO STYLES VS SHANE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
 
There's definitely a reason. He's one of the most popular young(er) guys they have, despite smarks being loudly opposed to his very existence. That's the reason, and it was the right choice. Who else could it be? There were no surprise entrants to use and they had to set up Reigns vs. Taker.

Don't say he shouldn't have been there when you actually mean you just didn't want him there.

Nobody hates Reigns for his wrestling skills, can't happen since once again the guy just delivered an amazing bout. But it gets to a point that you can't deny how forced he is being down people's throats and something forced never works. Or in this case, it becomes popular. Try and book Kane the same way you book Reigns and you'll see if he doesn't get booed out of the building every week. I genuinely don't believe he's a big sell to anyone but kids and even those seem to have a lot to cheer for right now.

I don't know. I'm not feeling this Reigns vs. The Undertaker match for WrestleMania unless Reigns turns heel as he should. His character would get so much more exposure if they just did what's natural for him. You can make him beat The Undertaker if you turn him heel and people who complain about the result are marks who got worked. In 2018 you turn him babyface again and this time with people behind him properly.

Seriously people throw around the word popular and it gets annoying. Of course Reigns is popular, he's in every single promotional material. He's always on a big feud. He main evented WrestleMania twice. Of course he's popular, but he's popular the same way I would be if they put me in his position. Force someone and you create an amazing heel. Don't use someone talented or bury the fuck out of him and you'll have an amazing babyface. Then you call marks to everyone and say how good you worked them, instead of delivering a good organic story that gives people pleasure to follow.

Eg: John Cena. The guy beat AJ Styles, the darling, the best in the world and he got cheered out of the building. Cena, the part-timer. Cena, the super-Cena. Why? The story was good. The match was great. We okay with you John. You did good.
 
He shouldn't need have been there because me and a hell of a lot of other people were pissed off by him been number 30. They may as well have had him run in and take 'Taker out instead of putting a sour taste in a lot of mouths.

You and who? Smarks? Yes, I said that. The number of people complaining are in the thousands, not millions, so WWE doesn't need to pander to you. Reigns is extremely popular, and needed to be there. I don't know how fans can possibly dispute that without feeling idiotic.

I aren't denying he was good tonight against Owens but over saturation is the reason he's in the position he in.

No, fans never say he isn't good. They just complain he's being forced down their throats. I've always been curious, though - if he is, in fact, a good wrestler, why the hate in the first place? Ohhh, right, he wasn't Daniel Bryan. I almost forgot that shitshow logic people had. Boo anything that isn't Daniel Bryan because the company is holding him down. Then it turned out he had the health of an 80 year old man. I could keep going, but I think I've made my point.
 
Nobody hates Reigns for his wrestling skills, can't happen since once again the guy just delivered an amazing bout. But it gets to a point that you can't deny how forced he is being down people's throats and something forced never works. Or in this case, it becomes popular. Try and book Kane the same way you book Reigns and you'll see if he doesn't get booed out of the building every week. I genuinely don't believe he's a big sell to anyone but kids and even those seem to have a lot to cheer for right now.

I don't know. I'm not feeling this Reigns vs. The Undertaker match for WrestleMania unless Reigns turns heel as he should. His character would get so much more exposure if they just did what's natural for him. You can make him beat The Undertaker if you turn him heel and people who complain about the result are marks who got worked. In 2018 you turn him babyface again and this time with people behind him properly.

Seriously people throw around the word popular and it gets annoying. Of course Reigns is popular, he's in every single promotional material. He's always on a big feud. He main evented WrestleMania twice. Of course he's popular, but he's popular the same way I would be if they put me in his position. Force someone and you create an amazing heel. Don't use someone talented or bury the fuck out of him and you'll have an amazing babyface. Then you call marks to everyone and say how good you worked them, instead of delivering a good organic story that gives people pleasure to follow.

Eg: John Cena. The guy beat AJ Styles, the darling, the best in the world and he got cheered out of the building. Cena, the part-timer. Cena, the super-Cena. Why? The story was good. The match was great. We okay with you John. You did good.

I think that the Reigns/Taker showdown got the same reaction as Goldberg/Taker and Goldberg/Lesnar. I think that says a lot. The fact that people care enough to boo so passionately Roman Reigns says a lot. Reigns is definately a star, but not the star WWE would him to be. But he's at the top superstars right now.
 
There's definitely a reason. He's one of the most popular young(er) guys they have, despite smarks being loudly opposed to his very existence. That's the reason, and it was the right choice. Who else could it be? There were no surprise entrants to use and they had to set up Reigns vs. Taker.

Don't say he shouldn't have been there when you actually mean you just didn't want him there.

For some people all they care about is hating. It's the reason Reigns will be pushed regardless of his reaction. People who watch/show up to boo are the most loyal customers.
 
You know what? This is the first Wrestlemania since WM 28, that I'm not pissed about anything (except Styles vs Shane, please no), because the talent they have right now is golden.

So I'll just sit back and for the first time in years, enjoy the Road to Wrestlemania, like a fan, without shit in my head.
 
You and who? Smarks? Yes, I said that. The number of people complaining are in the thousands, not millions, so WWE doesn't need to pander to you. Reigns is extremely popular, and needed to be there. I don't know how fans can possibly dispute that without feeling idiotic.



No, fans never say he isn't good. They just complain he's being forced down their throats. I've always been curious, though - if he is, in fact, a good wrestler, why the hate in the first place? Ohhh, right, he wasn't Daniel Bryan. I almost forgot that shitshow logic people had. Boo anything that isn't Daniel Bryan because the company is holding him down. Then it turned out he had the health of an 80 year old man. I could keep going, but I think I've made my point.

Yeah because that was 50,000 smarks right? He gets a fraction of cheers. Don't feed me the Cena shit either because he gets way more. That was straight up bullshit to have him enter at 30 like that. I don't dislike the guy but there's enough and then there's too much.


Tell me why Reigns needed to be there?

Btw I didn't like Daniel Bryan.
 
Reigns is a terrible actor who spams his moves and makes silly faces during serious times.

So he's pretty much Cesaro but with the push fanboys wanted for Cesaro.
 
Happy Orton won! I didn't want to see some1 like Goldberg or Taker winning the rumble....

I do find the hatred for Reigns very entertaining. I hope he retires the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. I would love to see the crowd reaction to that. :lmao:

It doesn't really make sense because his fellow shield member Rollins is pushed just as much as Reigns is.. but whatever it's entertaining.
 
You and who? Smarks? Yes, I said that. The number of people complaining are in the thousands, not millions, so WWE doesn't need to pander to you. Reigns is extremely popular, and needed to be there. I don't know how fans can possibly dispute that without feeling idiotic.

No, fans never say he isn't good. They just complain he's being forced down their throats. I've always been curious, though - if he is, in fact, a good wrestler, why the hate in the first place? Ohhh, right, he wasn't Daniel Bryan. I almost forgot that shitshow logic people had. Boo anything that isn't Daniel Bryan because the company is holding him down. Then it turned out he had the health of an 80 year old man. I could keep going, but I think I've made my point.

Fans say a lot of things and some of them have reasons for doing so. I didn't appreciate seeing him show up tonight at number 30. I'm not a fan and would rather have seen someone else. I don't hate the guy, but don't really care much for him either. Don't really know why some Roman Reigns fans get very offended when you say you don't like the guy. Big friggin deal that someone doesn't like him, that's a personal opinion that everyone is allowed to have.

I was disappointed tonight that number 30 wasn't Joe or Angle. Not that Reigns is a bad wrestler, just wanted it to be someone else. You know people used to say Daniel Bryan fans were the worst because if Daniel Bryan wasn't in a match it was shit. The same could be said now of Roman Reigns fans. If you don't like Reigns, then you're crap and know nothing. That's bullshit. Like who you want and let other's decide to like who they want.
 
Guys.

Guys.

Guys.

For real, where the fuck was Seth Rollins? Like, just run in and pedigree a few dudes until security grabs him. Something.

But Sam, that might make him hotter before he get CONFRONTED BY STEPHANIE tomorrow on Raw and we can't have someone be a bigger act that her right?
 
You and who? Smarks? Yes, I said that. The number of people complaining are in the thousands, not millions, so WWE doesn't need to pander to you. Reigns is extremely popular, and needed to be there. I don't know how fans can possibly dispute that without feeling idiotic.



No, fans never say he isn't good. They just complain he's being forced down their throats. I've always been curious, though - if he is, in fact, a good wrestler, why the hate in the first place? Ohhh, right, he wasn't Daniel Bryan. I almost forgot that shitshow logic people had. Boo anything that isn't Daniel Bryan because the company is holding him down. Then it turned out he had the health of an 80 year old man. I could keep going, but I think I've made my point.
Here are my issues with Reigns:

1. People liked Bryan because they saw him suffer. What has Reigns gone through to make us care about him? He showed up in the Shield, dominated, and then just became the top star. There's no root to him and people see through it.

2. He doesn't act like a face. A face doesn't shove a new bride into a cake for no specific reason, nor does a face get beaten up in the Royal Rumble and walk back to the dressing room before coming back later in the match.

Reigns has been very, very poorly booked, be it in winning far too much without ever facing any major adversity or just generally acting like a dick that we're supposed to cheer. His rise came just after Bryan, who was the definition of the people's champion. Going from that to the definition of "cheer this person because we say so no matter how much you don't care" isn't going to work. You can't make the fans believe that they can cheer their way into whatever they want and then take that same authority away from them just as fast.

It's similar to Rocky Maivia back in the day. He came in and was just so happy about everything that people hated it because it felt fake and forced. Then they turned him into the arrogant jerk that people wanted him to be and it was all gravy from there. With Reigns, it's the exact same stuff over and over.

It's much more like 1994/1995 WCW Hulk Hogan. It was the same old formula that had worked before but times had changed. Hogan wasn't cheered so they finally turned him heel and it worked like a charm. For some reason, WWE insists on sticking with something that isn't working and it's like a child who just won't listen.

Finally, how are common fans supposed to connect to Reigns? Consider Zack Ryder, who got over because people got behind the idea of someone who was being held back because a lot of people felt the same way. The same was true of Austin ("Who hasn't wanted to beat up their boss?") and several others.

How many people can related to being a 6'3 former college football star who comes from one of the most celebrated families in wrestling history while being handed the keys to the company and basically being told "don't worry about doing what they want because you're our pick no matter what, including when you get busted for a Wellness violation."

There's no connection to the character and people don't like it being forced to the top of the company. Reigns is perfectly fine in the ring but he was the Shield's power guy in May and main eventing Wrestlemania in March. In between he won a single big singles match against Randy Orton and then won a horrible Royal Rumble. That's not enough to sway him to the popular side and it's shown badly ever since.

The fans aren't booing Reigns. They're booing lazy writing and a lack of effort from a company that is telling them what to like.
 
Here are my issues with Reigns:

1. People liked Bryan because they saw him suffer. What has Reigns gone through to make us care about him? He showed up in the Shield, dominated, and then just became the top star. There's no root to him and people see through it.

2. He doesn't act like a face. A face doesn't shove a new bride into a cake for no specific reason, nor does a face get beaten up in the Royal Rumble and walk back to the dressing room before coming back later in the match.

Reigns has been very, very poorly booked, be it in winning far too much without ever facing any major adversity or just generally acting like a dick that we're supposed to cheer. His rise came just after Bryan, who was the definition of the people's champion. Going from that to the definition of "cheer this person because we say so no matter how much you don't care" isn't going to work. You can't make the fans believe that they can cheer their way into whatever they want and then take that same authority away from them just as fast.

It's similar to Rocky Maivia back in the day. He came in and was just so happy about everything that people hated it because it felt fake and forced. Then they turned him into the arrogant jerk that people wanted him to be and it was all gravy from there. With Reigns, it's the exact same stuff over and over.

It's much more like 1994/1995 WCW Hulk Hogan. It was the same old formula that had worked before but times had changed. Hogan wasn't cheered so they finally turned him heel and it worked like a charm. For some reason, WWE insists on sticking with something that isn't working and it's like a child who just won't listen.

Finally, how are common fans supposed to connect to Reigns? Consider Zack Ryder, who got over because people got behind the idea of someone who was being held back because a lot of people felt the same way. The same was true of Austin ("Who hasn't wanted to beat up their boss?") and several others.

How many people can related to being a 6'3 former college football star who comes from one of the most celebrated families in wrestling history while being handed the keys to the company and basically being told "don't worry about doing what they want because you're our pick no matter what, including when you get busted for a Wellness violation."

There's no connection to the character and people don't like it being forced to the top of the company. Reigns is perfectly fine in the ring but he was the Shield's power guy in May and main eventing Wrestlemania in March. In between he won a single big singles match against Randy Orton and then won a horrible Royal Rumble. That's not enough to sway him to the popular side and it's shown badly ever since.

The fans aren't booing Reigns. They're booing lazy writing and a lack of effort from a company that is telling them what to like.

This is absolutely correct and doesn't mention half the stupid ideas they've had about Reigns.
 

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