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10.10.10

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This is the date Abyss will reveal who "they" are.

My question is with a buildup this long wouldn't it have to be a really big major suprise?

But this is TNA so it may end up being Orlando Jordan with the Bushwackers or something.
 
Ever since the Bound for Glory location was announced, I've said ever since that something will undoubtedly happen, and the likelihood of it being controversial is high.

Daytona Beach, Florida is the infamous location of both the birth-place of the nWo via Bash at the Beach '96 when Hogan revealed to the world that he was the third man, as well as infamous Hogan/Jarrett lay-down when Russo made Jarrett lay down in the middle of the ring to give the title back to Hogan who cut a kayfabe-breaking promo following the match that was followed by a response by Russo in which Hogan was publicly defamed and fired.

Believe me, with Russo still working for TNA and the majority of the culprits behind the WCW controversies working for TNA as well, there undoubtedly will be something shocking happening come 10.10.10.
 
But what suprise could they actually pull off? Who could debut that would live up to the hype?

That's an entirely subjective question, man, because you close the question with a prerequisite for success being accepted by TNA's fans, which my not necessarily be a fair thing to do when it comes to who could debut or what could happen in a way that would sew up the loose ends in whatever story line does in fact finish there.

If John Cena debuted and was revealed as "they", because he was mad RVD beat him at One Night Stand in 2006, I'm sure dozens of fans would scream wolf and chalk it down as one of the dumbest things to happen in wrestling in history, and how it didn't live up to the hype.

Realistically speaking, you're asking for two answers that you treat as one:

1. Who could possibly debut, or what could possibly happen?

2. Would it live up to the hype?
 
"They" will be Hogan and Bischoff!.. Its a long time coming for their heel turn, the feeling i get is that the TNA faithfull are starting to turn against them and this will be their idea to mix things up a bit... Unfortunately if this was to happen, me and everyone else still wouldn't give a fuck!
 
The problem here, though, IDR, or at least the potential problem, is that if you hype something up too soon and perpetuate the hype for too long, nothing can live up to the hype and then virtually anything, whether it be a debut, a surprise, some surprise development, whatever, will fall flat. This would not be unique to TNA by the way, this could be WWE, TNA, or anything else which is subjected to the intense scrutiny that the IWC places upon professional wrestling. If the hype and hooplah goes on for too long, every possibility, every angle, every subtle nuance will be analyzed, dissected, and ultimately disassembled to the point that it cannot succeed. "That was too predictable." Well of course it was predictable, because it's been discussed and debated on forums and in bars or whatever for months, and nothing could occur which would be effective or hype-worthy.

Say, for example, WWE announced they will reveal the identity of their mystery GM on 10/10/10. Let the speculation begin. Every wrestler, every former wrestler, every announcer, everyone who's anyone would be subject to rampant conjecture. Then when, for example, it is revealed to be Triple H, it would ultimately be a let down. That's why WWE likely won't set the groundwork for this too early like this, they are more likely to announce on an episode of RAW that it will be announced next week, or even at the end of this particular episode of RAW. Maybe it will still be a disappointment, who knows, but at least it will have a chance.

Hyping 10/10/10 beginning on 08/08/08 (approximately) is a recipe for disaster. And then who knows, you may actually find a couple of people on these forums be a little negative and critical of what the big deal is ( I have heard that there are some guys on here who are negative regarding TNA, you know ;))
 
Here's the thing I posted somewhere else that you should look at if you want to speculate.

Fortune may have laid out Foley, Hogan, Jarrett, but they've never visibly touched them.

AJ Styles basically admitted him and Abyss are associated in some way.

What I'm wondering is if EV2.0 and ALL of this has just been a red herring. HJ was a ppv thought up in a couple of weeks because Whole F'n Show angle HAD to be shown on TV.

The question I have for who "they" are and what will happen at BFG is how invested is TNA in Fortune and EV2.0?

Could another heel stable ("they," Hogan/Bisch heel turn) be created when Fortune is already in place? And would this new group turn Fortune face? I think that's doubtful. But who knows.

The names who could debut in TNA are Haas, Benjamin, Carlito, Mike Knox, Helms, I suppose James Mitchel and former TNA guys like Mesias?
^But would any of these big huge impacts?

I think the two most important things at BFG would be if Hogan/Bisch turn and whatever happens at the WHC match b/c the winner will most likely turn heel, right? And join some heel group.

If Hogan/Bisch don't turn ... They HAS to be someone not in the company.
 
Well whoever it is I have a feeling the payoff isn't going to be as big as some people hope it will be.

Outside of when Kurt Angle joined TNA they have never really delivered big on their "Big Surprises", at least in my opinion (See January 4th and March 8th).

With the way Abyss' character has went these days it will definitely be something that plays off his character. Personally I hope its something along the lines of James Mitchell coming back and "they" refer to his new disciples of the new church stable, I think that would make the most sense because it would play into Abyss' character perfectly.

I just PRAY TO GOD they don't do something stupid like turn Hogan heel and reform the nWo or something.
 
They is the Wilpon Group. You know that mysterious wrestling promotion we heard about. The "they" could be referring to that.

I know it is speculation, but what happens if Dixie]s money was pulled from her. Panda Energy is her DAD. This wilpon group is their new financier.
 
I keep thinking Batista will sign with TNA. Either him or JBL. Batista could come in and say that there's only one Animal. But JBL being brought in to help "TNA's financial crisis" would make a lot of sense. Hogan and Bischoff would've known about this for a while coming and thus wanted to make sure Abyss could destroy everything in TNA.
 
My guess here is that Hogan and Jarrett join Fortune, teaming up with Rick Flair. Think about it, why would Hogan call out EV2 for a grand standing ovation and leave the ring? And I think the whole Hogan vs Flair thing is way played out, it would be amazing to see them join forces. As far as Abyss's "they", unless its someone outside the company I think "they" are Nash and Sting with Bischoff caught in the middle and playing up to Dixxie.

These would be great angles. And for all of you younger dudes, many of us older guys still enjoy seeing the Hogans, Flairs and Stings of the world. Yes they move slower, but so do we!! :)
 
I just PRAY TO GOD they don't do something stupid like turn Hogan heel and reform the nWo or something.[/QUOTE]

I have the same fear that's the direction they are headed. I could see a new NWO with of course a different name being formed. Every week we'll have the same garbage with people turning on each other and joining. :sad: If this happens then that will be the death of TNA no doubt.

Think about it for a second, this is typical Eric Bischoff, he only created one good idea in his entire career and he keeps redoing the same angle over and over again. :banghead:

I hope to God we are wrong. :blush:
 
Who or What will "They" be and will it be a letdown. I agree with most that it will be a let down unless it is one of two scenarios.

1. They turns out to be Shane McMahon and a big name or 2 such as Batista or Jericho (contract runs out in October I believe). McMahon has bought TNA to rival his father and the 1 big star is there is become champion.

2. Vince McMahon shows up and he has bought the company and plans on doing to it what he did to WCW or running as an umbrela of the WWE.

Since neither of these would be obvious scenarios and thus the schock value would live up to the hype, I don't see it happening. For me, if it isn't one of these choices I'll probably be very disappointed unless it is something from way out of left field no one could have possibly though of.
 
I think it's Paul Heyman! Now I say this because every time Heyman does an interview something happens to the people or group that's his focus in that interview now this seems kinda crazy but this is what I'm seeing!

For example Heyman talked about getting rid of the Legends? And look who got attacked by Fortune Sting and Nash!

He also talked about ECW being dead and look who got attacked EV2!

Now this might be far fetched but when Abyss said Jeff they are coming and you don't have a spot. Sounds to me like a mastermind type of a guy with intentions on taking over TNA with a group of young, up and coming stars to oust all the legends and even Bischoff and Hogan!


And maybe Dixie's big surprise Tweet she posted a couple months ago was that she signed Heyman and That's the reason she is backing EV2.0, But she doesn't realize that Heyman's there to take over with the Financial backing of the Wilpon group and so he in turn has EV2.0 destroyed by his new group of wrestlers at BFG!

This ties into Jeff Jarrett as well! Jeff had been tweeting hints about a big surprise that he could not disclose but he quickly stop tweeting about this once news broke about the wilpon group and he couldn't comment any more because of a Non Discloser Agreement the same kind of Agreement that this Wilpon group wrestlers are supposely signing!

So my theory is that it all ties in to Paul Heyman! Jarrett thinks he, Hogan and Bischoff have this deal with Wilpon and also Sting thinks he has the deal with Wilpon and this gives him the Financial power to take Hogan and Bischoff out of power in TNA!But what they don't realize is that Heyman has the power and will be revealed as the mastermind behind "They" and will gain a tremendous amount of power within TNA.

And this is why Kurt Angle has this stipulation that if he wins the title he stays and if he loses he will retire. That's because if Kurt likes what Heyman and the Wilpon group bring to TNA then he wins and stays, But if he doesn't like what they bring then he loses and leaves!

Now this might read kinda crazy but this is how I think outside of the box!
 
It's not Hogan, Bischoff, or Jarrett, so squash that idea right now. If I didn't know any better, I'd say Shane McMahon. Honestly, I think he would be more likely than Paul Heyman at the moment. Yes, Shane is CEO or CFO of some company, but he could make on-air appearances for TNA a few times a month and then carry on with his other job. Shane is the only thing that I could see being absolutely groundbreaking and would bring significant buzz to the wrestling world.
 
I think whoever they turn out to be will be a disappointment. A side from TNA's recent track record of not delivering on surprises. Anytime any wrestling company drags out a storyline too long the surprise usually doesn't live up to the hype. WWE has dropped the ball many times doing this as well.

I think TNA wants people think it's someone that's in WWE who's contract is almost up like Jericho. Chances are it will be Hogan and or Bischoff doing a NWO type thing. TNA loves to do nostalgic storylines and they are waiting to reveal who they are until their in Daytona the birth place of the NWO.
 
Would anyone care if they actually waited to reveal "They" at BFG. TNA has over hyped this angle so far that no one could fill the role without it being a downer. "They" could end up being Jesus, the Devil, Gandhi, and Hitler and i still wouldn't be excited.

My speculation on what happens on 10.10.10 at BFG...

Anderson and Angle will be in the main event and everyone will expect Angle to win. Instead it will be a great match with Anderson cheating at the end picking up the victory showing what a true asshole he is. All Angle has worked for the past months will be for nothing and he will (for storyline purposes) retire. Anderson will be a heel champ because you never have two face champs in a row and in a few months Angle will return and win.

Angle retiring would be about the only thing that would truly surprise me.
 
This is TNA's Biggest Problem...

Something Big is happening at bound for glory, so why should I buy No Surrender?.. Hell Why should I care about ANYTHING untill bound for glory..

It seems like one minute they are cramming 8 months worth of feuds into 2 weeks, and then they are streching ONE angle out over 3 month's, with NOTHING else going on..

I understand that people get defensive about TNA, but this makes no logical sense... I get the title tournment, its pretty awesome, but no heels advancing? No A.J. Styles, the guy you BUILT your company around? No Abyss the #1 Contendor? They have the talent to pull off one HELL of a tournment, but it seems like they'd rather make squash matchs? We don't even NEED to see the entire first round on one impact.. Why not stack it full of the best talent you have and do 2 match's a week?

They leave nothing to get excited over for next week, and they keep expecting you to tune in to see something that won't happen untill 10/10/10...

This Angle is now over hyped, and they have nothing of note to show on T.V. storyline wise..

There's nothing to be excited to see in the near future, and I don't know why I should care enough to turn on Imapct, other then the fact I know I'm gonna get a good match out of Angle and AJ Styles...

I mean at bound for glory there seriously gonna have to have Orton and Cena Show up as "They" to fit the bill of how hyped up this is...

I honestly don't mind a 4-6 month build for They, but TNA is just botching it so much, the fact that "They " will show themselves should have been annouced by Abyss at No Surrender, then a one month build to B.F.G....
 
This is TNA's Biggest Problem...

Something Big is happening at bound for glory, so why should I buy No Surrender?.. Hell Why should I care about ANYTHING untill bound for glory..

It seems like one minute they are cramming 8 months worth of feuds into 2 weeks, and then they are streching ONE angle out over 3 month's, with NOTHING else going on..

I understand that people get defensive about TNA, but this makes no logical sense... I get the title tournment, its pretty awesome, but no heels advancing? No A.J. Styles, the guy you BUILT your company around? No Abyss the #1 Contendor? They have the talent to pull off one HELL of a tournment, but it seems like they'd rather make squash matchs? We don't even NEED to see the entire first round on one impact.. Why not stack it full of the best talent you have and do 2 match's a week?

They leave nothing to get excited over for next week, and they keep expecting you to tune in to see something that won't happen untill 10/10/10...

This Angle is now over hyped, and they have nothing of note to show on T.V. storyline wise..

There's nothing to be excited to see in the near future, and I don't know why I should care enough to turn on Imapct, other then the fact I know I'm gonna get a good match out of Angle and AJ Styles...

I mean at bound for glory there seriously gonna have to have Orton and Cena Show up as "They" to fit the bill of how hyped up this is...

I honestly don't mind a 4-6 month build for They, but TNA is just botching it so much, the fact that "They " will show themselves should have been annouced by Abyss at No Surrender, then a one month build to B.F.G....

How are they botching this? How does it make sense to have the big angle play out at No SURRENDER? People are talking, trying to guess what this could be and racking their brains to try an figure it out. Again my question how are they botching this?!
 
I'm still thinking it's a "New Church" type stable. Rememer that Mitchell was in ECW so h could have something to say about it if/when he comes back. I personally would love to see the New Church again with Abyss and Mitchelle leading the way. Maybe even adding a darker Brian Kendrick and a new tag team. It's just too bad that neither Delirious or MsChif want to work for TNA or WWE since they would both fit the Church very, very well. Maybe even bringing back Daniels to be a part of it.
 
This just reeks of Hogan and Bischoff turning heel. I think that this would disappoint just about everyone who watches TNA. Throw in a possible NWO-like faction, and TNA could be in some serious trouble.

The NWO was lightning in a bottle. Eric can't capture it again, especially in TNA.
 
I personally think "They" is going to be James Mitchell and Judas Mesias. Thing I'm wondering is if this whole debut of "They" is suppose to be the center of BFG, besides the world heavyweight championship match, then who is Abyss going to be wrestling where it will matter? Fortune & EV2.0 will probably be involved in a lethal lockdown match I hope, so maybe he will be facing Jeff Hardy in a monsters ball match. But why does that matter?

Maybe "They" is going to be Paul Heyman and Kevin Sullivan.

I sure as hell hope it's not Bischoff Hogan Nash and Sting re-creating the NWO with a different name. I'm already about ready to give up on TNA succeeding with these last few months of ridiculous storylines. I mean it's insulting to me as a fan for Kurt Angle's run through the top 10 to be canceled for some stupid 8 man tourney, when they could have just had RVD drop the belt to Abyss at the whole F'N show. They must really not want Abyss to have the strap.
 
How are they botching this? How does it make sense to have the big angle play out at No SURRENDER? People are talking, trying to guess what this could be and racking their brains to try an figure it out. Again my question how are they botching this?!

Not All of it at no surrender..

Just keep it intresting, Abyss let's us know at no surrender that "They" will be at Bound for Glory, not on Impact.. Something like that.. It just seems like they cram every suprise, and big event into ONE show, then go for a few months with no significant story lines.. Every episode should be MUST SEE T.V., I just feel like after one of these big "blow off " episodes (the whole f'n show, The Move to monday night) , they blow everything they got, and have nothing left to really follow up on...

It just seems like No Surrender is a throw away PPV they way they are promoting it.


All I know is when I'm watching TNA, I feel like they either tie up all the loose ends, and there's nothing left to be excited about, or they have months and months of endless question's and build up with no real pay off..

TNA has the talent, they have the people in place to be a GREAT promotion to watch, I just feel like there storyline's lack any sort of flow.. It's very hard to follow, and really hard to get into... Everythign happens at once, then it's like they have nothing left storyline wise.. They try to cram everything into what seems like one show

Example

TNA world heavyweight Tournment..

-Sting should be in it
- A.J. Styles should be in it
- Abyss should be in it

You have 4 match's? Well why not have a match a week untill no surrender? or two match's a week? Why cram them all into one impact taping so we get four 3-5 minute long matchs, that come off as squash's?

I mean these are supposedly the top 8 guys in TNA, they should all be 8-12 minute match's at the minimum? You have at LEAST Two to three weeks worth of progrtaming with those 4 match's.. There's no reason to see them all in one impact..
 
Batista being "they" would be a good idea. If they is NWO with jarret, hogan, bischoff, and somebody else, i will never watch tna again. whoever said that angle and anderson will main event BFG for the title, anderson winning by cheating, angle retiring, then returning for the tiltle a few months later, that would really save BFG. The title tournament was a big letdown to me. Morgan wasn;t in it, Sting and Abyss weren't in in, i was disappointed.
 
Who are "They" well, I have no flipping clue. TNA has already used all their surprises up. Not also that after Heyman bashed them in an interview, it might not be him as well.

With this angle going on for months now, your going to need something huge to back it up. It sure as hell won't be a new NWO stable or a heel turn.

So who is "They"? Well, since it's TNA it's something that your really not going to care about. It might just be Paul Bearer as Abyss's new manger... That would be cool, but nothing really amazing.

It's really bad planning from the start. But, well, it involves Eric Bischoff, and he wents to compete with the Family Friendly WWE, it's none other then... The Dungeon of Doom back to life. Yep. It just makes sense.
 
Like a lot of people, I'm not investing much interest or hope in "They" for BFG. TNA's history of hyping something to the moon and back, only to have it fall flatter than my ex's chest is something I'm not willing to ignore. If it's a Hogan/Bischoff heel turn, hooking up with Fortune or something along those lines, big deal.

I have little doubt that TNA is going to at least hype this to make it sound bigger and more exciting than it'll probably be. Also, there will be attempts at controversy most likely, but I'm not going into this with most. Unless The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin or even Paul Heyman s howing up then I don't see how this could be the epic or controversial event some are hoping/expecting it to be. At most, I'm expecting a potentially cool moment for the show but not too much more than that right now.
 

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