John Cena, the guy you hate you don't love?

[Sedated]

Let me start this out by saying I am NOT a Cena fan by any stretch of the imagination. With that being said there are a few things i've learned about Cena over the years.


1. He's a very hard worker.
2. He's loyal to the biz.
3. He seems to be a genuinely nice/good guy out of char. and carrys him self with integrity, decency and humility out of the ring.


Which brings me to my question: Why can't I get behind this guy? Is he THAT bad of a wrestler? No. Is he a good wrestler? Certainly not but he's capable of having good matches.

Cena vs HBK
Cena vs HHH
Cena vs Edge
Cena vs RVD

and i'm sure some others that I can't recall atm.

So why do I still hate this man as much as I do?

Then I was watching some random wrestling videos and came across
John Cena vs Undertaker Vengeance 2003

This is by no means an amazing match but it's decent. Undertaker dominates most of it but you'll see something in it that Cena doesn't have now. It's a spark. It's passion. Watching that it's hard for Cena not to remind me of SCSA. The way he takes/sells moves, the passion he displays at time, the brawler style while still having some technical skill to work with. SCSA is a 10x better technical wrestler then Cena but Austin didn't even use most of his technical skills for a lot of his career because he didn't have to, his style was more over then that would of been. Also Cena is much better brawler now then he was at the time of that match. There's a certain amount of belief in this match, there are moments where you almost forget wrestling is fake and are thinkin 'Oh, that hurt!' and 'He just slapped Undertaker!' this is something Cena just doesn't have anymore.

To get back to the original point of why do I hate Cena? I don't think it's that I hate him anymore, it's I hate what he's become. There was a time that I had forgotten about where I had a lot of stock in Cena and thought he'd be the next SCSA to a degree. This could have been and yet instead we're stuck with this watered down version of him. I doubt Cena is as much to blame as WWE is for the direction they gave him.

I think there are a few steps to getting Cena to where he should be.

1. A new finisher! The FU is a GREAT finisher vs big guys like the big show and it shows off how strong Cena is but against someone like HBK? He needs something better and the STFU should prob. be removed from his move list all together.
2.Some new moves, the guy can obviously do more then his 5 moves of death. In that match alone we see him give Undertaker one hell of a DDT and do a spinebuster that looks very much like the one The Rock used to do.
3. He needs a half heel turn. The kind where people aren't quite sure what to think of his new attitude. Some will cheer, some will boo. I feel the difference is people wont be booing because they hate Cena but because they hate his wrestling persona. Heels in WWE today are always weak and cowardly. That's not what Cena needs. He needs more of a new found attitude and less of a full on heel turn.

So here's to hoping that something changes with Cena. I think under the proper set of circumstances he could really show us that he's more then just some guy who WWE shoves down our throats because little timmy buys his t-shirts, wrist bands and 'music' CD's and here's to hoping that WWE gives him that chance.

 

[Milkyway!]

Let me start this out by saying I am NOT a Cena fan by any stretch of the imagination. With that being said there are a few things i've learned about Cena over the years.

I'll start with saying nice thread. We see diffrently upon the subject though. I am a John Cena fan, and I'm glad to hear you've learned something over the past few years.

1. He's a very hard worker.

All WWE wrestlers are, they make a living doing something they love, and they've made it to the top. That doesn't come just by having a dad that wrestled for the WWE, it take talent, and hard work. For anyone to just give credit to Cena for hardwork is kinda, odd, because they all bust their butts to put on a nice show. Cena is more of an, over-achiever type person.

2. He's loyal to the biz.

Indead!

3. He seems to be a genuinely nice/good guy out of char. and carrys him self with integrity, decency and humility out of the ring.

And, he does the same thing inside the ring. John Cena is just like The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and a lot of the other best of the best, he plays himself in the ring. Nothing more, nothing less. He just does what he loves, while not really having to put on a gimmick, he simply gives us his personallity.

Which brings me to my question: Why can't I get behind this guy?

I don't know, lets go through some steps, I'm sure you'll tell us below though. Maybe, you're just a bandwaggoner, and hate the guy because like 95% of the IWC hates the guy too. Are you an Edge fan?

Is he THAT bad of a wrestler? No. Is he a good wrestler? Certainly not but he's capable of having good matches.

He most certainly isn't a bad wrestler, and he most certainly is the best wrestler of this era, and the best we've seen since Austin left. John Cena can wrestle, this goes back to the Hogan myth, that he can't wrestle. Both just feed off the croud. If the croud wanted to see Cena get technical, and throw in submission after submission, with a slow paced match then he would do such things. But the croud wants to see explosive John Cena, just listen to the pops when the guy even hits a punch after getting beat down for 30+ minutes.

Cena vs HBK
Cena vs HHH
Cena vs Edge
Cena vs RVD

and i'm sure some others that I can't recall atm.

Let me help you.


Cena vs Taker
Cena vs JBL
Cena vs Batista
Cena vs Randy Orton
Cena vs Big Show
Cena vs Jack Swagger
Cena vs Booker T
Cena vs anyone, seriously. Is an entertaining match, that really makes the seats you paid for worth it.

So why do I still hate this man as much as I do?

These are questions you must ask yourself young one.

Then I was watching some random wrestling videos and came across
John Cena vs Undertaker Vengeance 2003

Sweet

This is by no means an amazing match but it's decent. Undertaker dominates most of it but you'll see something in it that Cena doesn't have now.

Like what!

It's a spark. It's passion.

Are we watching the same John Cena?

This guy right? I'm assuming so...The guy goes out there, busts his tailend off, and puts on one hell of a show. You don't get much better on the mic than John Cena, and the croud proves you otherwise in your arguements.

Watching that it's hard for Cena not to remind me of SCSA. The way he takes/sells moves, the passion he displays at time, the brawler style while still having some technical skill to work with. SCSA is a 10x better technical wrestler then Cena but Austin didn't even use most of his technical skills for a lot of his career because he didn't have to, his style was more over then that would of been.

Wait, stop right here. John Cena, no technical skills? You just explained to yourself, as to why Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't use his technical skills to their fullest so I'm asuming you'll understand this very easily. John Cena does as the croud wishes him to do. Its kinda like those Slave and Master type pornos, when it comes to him. He simply does what will woo, and entertain the croud. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also Cena is much better brawler now then he was at the time of that match.

Croud.

There's a certain amount of belief in this match, there are moments where you almost forget wrestling is fake and are thinkin 'Oh, that hurt!' and 'He just slapped Undertaker!' this is something Cena just doesn't have anymore.

Not true, watch Backlash of 2009. One of the better pay per views of this year, and John Cena took one of the best spots I've ever seen. He sold the spear like he just got broken in half 2 to 3 times. John Cena has everything you are looking for in him, but I'm willing to guarentee when Cena comes on the TV, you sigh, and say "Oh here we go again" and don't allow yourself to really enjoy the greatness that is John Cena. You probably go in with a perceptional set, and just think its allready bad, simply because its John Cena.

To get back to the original point of why do I hate Cena?

Quit asking me questions I don't know. It makes me feel stupid, allthough, I did give you my theory about it above.

I don't think it's that I hate him anymore, it's I hate what he's become.

The best WWE superstar of this era, and the biggest superstar the WWE has seen since Austin. Five time World champion? A loyal worker, that puts men obviously worse than him over like nothing? One of the most entertaining superstars in the business today? One of the best superstars the WWE has ever had? hmm. Whats not to like?

There was a time that I had forgotten about where I had a lot of stock in Cena and thought he'd be the next SCSA to a degree.

He will hopefully become bigger than Stone Cold Steve Austin, then we will just say Stone Cold was a mini John Cena.

This could have been and yet instead we're stuck with this watered down version of him.

Liar.

I doubt Cena is as much to blame as WWE is for the direction they gave him.

Which would be? ....Do I really need to post what all he is, and what all hes done in the past 2-3 years alone?

I think there are a few steps to getting Cena to where he should be.

I'd like to hear them.

1. A new finisher!

No, he doesn't need a new finisher.

The FU is a GREAT finisher vs big guys like the big show and it shows off how strong Cena is but against someone like HBK?

It makes me think, "Wow he can do that to The Big Show, is HBK dead?"

He needs something better and the STFU should prob. be removed from his move list all together.

Gives him a good submission hold, which meets the requirements to his personia, in hes a brawling strong guy, living his dream, thats willing to take on anyone at any given time. I don't really see the problem with it.

2.Some new moves, the guy can obviously do more then his 5 moves of death. In that match alone we see him give Undertaker one hell of a DDT and do a spinebuster that looks very much like the one The Rock used to do.

Cena throws in new moves here and there, every match. Suplexes mostly, but still, he changes up things here and there very subtly, that just makes you go "Wow, nice." The DDT doesn't really match a brawlers gimmick in my honest opinion, thats more of a welterweight technical type move to me, I suppose.

[qupte]So here's to hoping that something changes with Cena. I think under the proper set of circumstances he could really show us that he's more then just some guy who WWE shoves down our throats because little timmy buys his t-shirts, wrist bands and 'music' CD's and here's to hoping that WWE gives him that chance.[/QUOTE]

Heres to hoping some changes here and there for some freshness, nothing really as drastic as you said though please.

 

[OhYouDidn'tKnow]

I think the reason you dont like Cena because of the way he has changed over the years. I was like you back in 2004-2005 thinking Cena has the attitude almost to the degree of SCSA. But know, his gimmick has changed and Vince has turned him into the biggest babyface i have ever seen.(Even bigger than Hogan) The WWE is making Cena into a star role model for kids and that's why you may not like him anymore because he has lost that edge he had that we all loved about him.

 

[Chill]

I think there are a few steps to getting Cena to where he should be.

1. A new finisher! The FU is a GREAT finisher vs big guys like the big show and it shows off how strong Cena is but against someone like HBK? He needs something better and the STFU should prob be removed from his move list all together.

I think his finisher is okay, as you say it's a good way for him to show his strength. The move is essentially an elevated version of a fireman's carry which on it's own isn't that spectacular but I think credit should go to Cena for making the FU look credible as a finishing move...certainly when he does it I buy it as a legitimate finisher no matter who it is performed on but that's just me. If he needs to change his move then surely so would half the roster...

2.Some new moves, the guy can obviously do more then his 5 moves of death. In that match alone we see him give Undertaker one hell of a DDT and do a spinebuster that looks very much like the one The Rock used to do.

All WWE wrestlers have a familiar routine and yeh for some reason Cena's seems to stick out the most. Variety is the spice of life yes but in his defence when he had matches with 'Taker and so on he was only a rookie in WWE...if you notice, when a performer debuts they seem to go out of their way to pull out all these moves in an attempt to get over. However, the difference imo is that Cena is now arguably the most over person on the roster and so he doesn't have to rely on pulling off all those moves to get a crwod response. BTW, I'm not saying he shouldn't expand his arsenal..i'm just trying to offer a reason why we don't see him pull out all these moves all the time.

3. He needs a half heel turn. The kind where people aren't quite sure what to think of his new attitude. Some will cheer, some will boo. I feel the difference is people wont be booing because they hate Cena but because they hate his wrestling persona. Heels in WWE today are always weak and cowardly. That's not what Cena needs. He needs more of a new found attitude and less of a full on heel turn.

I'm not sure, I mean technically Cena is a tweener despite the fact he is booked as a babyface. Pesonally, I think he would either have to be a full blown heel for that to be effective rather than this in between, is he isn't he sort of thing...but the WWE obviously are not going to do that and risk a huge decrease in merch sales and neither they should until they can no longer feasibly present Cena as a face. Yes, a heel Cena would be nice and I think the older fans who boo him would like him more but for now I don't think he should be turned.

 

[Kashagi]

Cena is popular, Cena gets fans for the company, as long as he continues to do this, leave him as he is.

One day, Cena wont be able to do that, and then I agree, give him a heel turn see what he can do.

In regard to another comment about Cena losing his passion.... You must be joking, he is probably the last worker in the company I would think of when I think of issues such as lack of passion. He had that spark in 2003 and thats why he became so popular, he has that spark in 2009 and thats why he continues to be the face of the WWE.

 

[ThaRaph]

I wouldnt mind seeing the FU turned into a DVD on smaller and medium-sized guys....then it can still be the traditional FU against guys like Big Show...it is a rather unique move.

 

[Sedated]

This is obviously more of a thread for people who don't like Cena. If you like Cena you're obviously going to disagree with almost everything I said so what's the point? It does nothing to take the conversation into places. It just starts a 'Who likes cena and why?' thread.

 

[Kashagi]

This is obviously more of a thread for people who don't like Cena. If you like Cena you're obviously going to disagree with almost everything I said so what's the point? It does nothing to take the conversation into places. It just starts a 'Who likes cena and why?' thread.

The point.. Is obviously disagreement, or would you rather everyone nods their heads in unision to everything you said?
This thread doesnt seem to be one for Cena haters, anyway there already is a John Cena thread in the RAW forums. Its as simple as, you have made your points about what you dont like about John Cena, and what you want changed, and people have agreed and disagreed... Sounds like a thread thats going somewhere to me.

 

[Sedated]

The point.. Is obviously disagreement, or would you rather everyone nods their heads in unision to everything you said?
This thread doesnt seem to be one for Cena haters, anyway there already is a John Cena thread in the RAW forums. Its as simple as, you have made your points about what you dont like about John Cena, and what you want changed, and people have agreed and disagreed... Sounds like a thread thats going somewhere to me.

If you already love cena does the topic title even apply to you? You can easily not like John Cena and disagree with the things i'm saying, that would be productive.

This was supposed to be something a bit different from the typical 'Cena sucks/rocks' but if people just come in here saying 'You're wrong, I love Cena, I own his pajamas' that's what it boils back into. it does nothing to further the conversation from the view point i'm trying to take. It all boils down to the stand point you take on why you disagree.

If you don't agree because you love Cena well then no shit there are 20 other million threads for you to discuss how much you love the man.

If you don't really care for cena then this thread is for you to either agree with what i've said, disagree with what i've said or just generally elaborate on what i've said.

The second person who posted three pages worth of replys for example basically went on and on explaining to me why he loves cena so much and actually took the time to answer my rhetorical questions. That's just not where I wanted the conversation to go.

I think the reason you dont like Cena because of the way he has changed over the years. I was like you back in 2004-2005 thinking Cena has the attitude almost to the degree of SCSA. But know, his gimmick has changed and Vince has turned him into the biggest babyface i have ever seen.(Even bigger than Hogan) The WWE is making Cena into a star role model for kids and that's why you may not like him anymore because he has lost that edge he had that we all loved about him.

This is true and is part of it. I just feel there's more to it. When I watched old John Cena it felt to me like he gave more of a crap then he does now or ever has since becoming the 'biggest babyface'. Austin and The Rock played hyped up versions of them selves on Crack. Yet, with Cena it almost feels like he's playing him self on Riddilin 85% of the time.

I think his finisher is okay, as you say it's a good way for him to show his strength. The move is essentially an elevated version of a fireman's carry which on it's own isn't that spectacular but I think credit should go to Cena for making the FU look credible as a finishing move...certainly when he does it I buy it as a legitimate finisher no matter who it is performed on but that's just me. If he needs to change his move then surely so would half the roster...



All WWE wrestlers have a familiar routine and yeh for some reason Cena's seems to stick out the most. Variety is the spice of life yes but in his defence when he had matches with 'Taker and so on he was only a rookie in WWE...if you notice, when a performer debuts they seem to go out of their way to pull out all these moves in an attempt to get over. However, the difference imo is that Cena is now arguably the most over person on the roster and so he doesn't have to rely on pulling off all those moves to get a crwod response. BTW, I'm not saying he shouldn't expand his arsenal..i'm just trying to offer a reason why we don't see him pull out all these moves all the time.




I'm not sure, I mean technically Cena is a tweener despite the fact he is booked as a babyface. Pesonally, I think he would either have to be a full blown heel for that to be effective rather than this in between, is he isn't he sort of thing...but the WWE obviously are not going to do that and risk a huge decrease in merch sales and neither they should until they can no longer feasibly present Cena as a face. Yes, a heel Cena would be nice and I think the older fans who boo him would like him more but for now I don't think he should be turned.

He needs to change his finisher because it's not very believable. You may buy that it actually hurts someone but I don't. Most the roster has finishing moves that look like they would hurt so i'm not sure where you're coming from saying that half would have to go. That's not to say there aren't quite a few other people in need of new/alternative finishers.

I think Cenas 5 moves of doom stick out the most because he sticks to them the most. He may be the most generally over person, but I know if I was cheered for by little kids who didn't know better and all the adults booed me out of buildings i'd want to try a little harder..

Lastly, Cenas momentum is at a bit of a low atm. He's practically on the verge of a feud with the miz. Regardless of what you think about The Miz or his potential this obviously isn't a defining Cena moment. This seems like the -perfect- time to try some new things with him. Give him some more edge, mix things up with him a tad. If the crowd doesn't react it'll be forgotten by next week.


p.s. I know at some point someone is going to use the PG-13 argument as to why Cena can't have any edge and that'll be vaild when Randy Orton stops punting people in the head.

 

[JohnTheRed]

Nice interesting thread. Its interesting reading some of the replies.

I am not a massive john Cena fan, I really did prefer his rap gimmick, I thought it was great. Having said that I dont hate John Cena either. I would have liked to have seen him and Cryme Time form a proper group..but anyway thats off topic.

My only comment on the OP is about the loss of "spark", John Cena is a company man, he still has the same love for the industry and works for the greater good, having said that Sometimes when he is in the ring and doing promos, it looks like he is trying to force the emotion and passion in his eyes, I have no doubt that they are there I just question whether or not he is burnt out. It doesnt matter how much you love your job but if you are working all the time, traveling to different countries over and over agian, house shows and live events, press conferences, meet and greets, make a wish etc etc, its bound to take its toll. I think for the good of John Cena the character he needs to cut back on some of the promo work, but based on what we see of him he loves doing it so its a catch 22.

I do see him turning heel, not soon but at some point in his career, they will try to replicate if note eclipse the Hogan turn in WCW.

 

[theirishtaker]

I can really relate to this....i really don't like cena at the moment and have no idea why. He should be the most over guy in the wwe and yet nearly everyone dislikes him. I think SCSA is probably to blame. when he came on the scene the fans start cheering for heels more than faces and thats fine. but it has carried on to today where most ppl love edge,orton,cm punks upcoming turn,etc and hate HHH,Batista,cena etc. Most ppl say they want the attitude era back....well this was the essence of it!! anyone agree?

 

[Sedated]

I can really relate to this....i really don't like cena at the moment and have no idea why. He should be the most over guy in the wwe and yet nearly everyone dislikes him. I think SCSA is probably to blame. when he came on the scene the fans start cheering for heels more than faces and thats fine. but it has carried on to today where most ppl love edge,orton,cm punks upcoming turn,etc and hate HHH,Batista,cena etc. Most ppl say they want the attitude era back....well this was the essence of it!! anyone agree?

I don't think that's exactly true. I think the IWC is a lot bigger then it has ever been so I think some (Not all, or most even) like to cheer for the bad guy because it makes them feel smarter then the average wrestling fan.

With that being said, look at the face roster...

Cena... (Not going to elaborate on this much as the thread is about him.)

HHH: Known to bury people so he can remain at the top and is married to the bosses daughter, it's hard to believe he'd be where he's at if not for this. It makes it really hard to stomache him once you know this.

Batista: Terrible wrestler, terrible mic work. He's obviously nothing but muscles. What's to like if you're over the age of 12 and straight?

I think John Cena was billed as the next SCSA and instead of WWE running with it they hit the brake because they didn't want to look like they were trying to copy what SCSA did. The problem with this I feel is his gimic fell somewhere in the middle and never fully fleshed out into anything. It lost a lot but gained nothing in a sense.

 

[pun2003hh]

I honestly think most of the people who boo Cena at this point (myself included) don't necessarily hate him, and actually respect the hell out of him. What Cena has going for him is he is a lightning rod. The atmosphere that he brings to an arena every time he enters the ring is, for lack of a better term, electrifying. At this point, it's almost fun to boo Cena just to add to the atmosphere, because so many people either boo or cheer him, but they do it so passionately.

To put it in perspective, think back to Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania 18 or Hogan vs Warrior at Wrestlemania 6. Look at how divided the crowd was for those matches and how much passion they displayed in being vocal. The magic with Cena is he creates that all on his own. Like Hogan, its not so much the match itself, its the experience.

For Hogan (the best showman) you had Macho Man (the best worker).

On the same token you have Cena and you have someone like HBK.

 

[theirishtaker]

I don't think that's exactly true. I think the IWC is a lot bigger then it has ever been so I think some (Not all, or most even) like to cheer for the bad guy because it makes them feel smarter then the average wrestling fan.

With that being said, look at the face roster...

Cena... (Not going to elaborate on this much as the thread is about him.)

HHH: Known to bury people so he can remain at the top and is married to the bosses daughter, it's hard to believe he'd be where he's at if not for this. It makes it really hard to stomache him once you know this.

Batista: Terrible wrestler, terrible mic work. He's obviously nothing but muscles. What's to like if you're over the age of 12 and straight?

I think John Cena was billed as the next SCSA and instead of WWE running with it they hit the brake because they didn't want to look like they were trying to copy what SCSA did. The problem with this I feel is his gimic fell somewhere in the middle and never fully fleshed out into anything. It lost a lot but gained nothing in a sense.

I am not saying the reasons for the booing the heel/cheering the bad guy. I was implying that this happened in the era we all seem to rave about. Granted the Raw faces are terrible at the moment, (so much so that i nearly crave for goldust/santino) but really cena is a talented guy,why doesnt he get cheered as much as he should?? simple...its cool to cheer the heels..not secretly clever/intelligent.

 

[ratedrko13]

i just dont like the guy winning all the time, when his title to rvd it was because of edge's interference and when he dropped the belt to orton because he was injured, then to edge with show interference. Its like no one can beat him with out an injury or severe interference. It insults me, because even hogan lost to the "Better" wrester at times and cena has beat them all and is too predictable. which is why i think people cheer edge and orton and others, because they want a different outcome or to be suprised instead of the same old same. I mean they are killing big show every damn ppv against cena, where alot of people know that in real life bigshow would squash him. i dont like him and this is why!

 

[Shadowstorm220]

The thing with Cena that I see differently than the Cena from 2003-early 2008 is that the PG-13 rating has watered down his promo work. His in-ring work is still the same caliber as then, and to be honest, sometimes even better.

The match he had with Swagger on the Draft special in my opinion may be the RAW match of the year so far. It was not supposed to be the match of the show, but it was for that night. Both men carried the match perfectly and it looked like Cena would actually lose cleanly for a moment or two. Hogan wasn't like that. His only clean loss that I can recall during his prime in WWF/WWE was to Ultimate Warrior at WM6 and with the exception of Macho Man, he didn't make many others ever look good.

I think that they could make Cena a combination of brawler and power at the same time, adding more power moves to his game. It's really the only option they have with him to add two or three more moves to his game. He will sometimes do a power slam, or a gorilla press slam to those around his weight to add more to his power. Even the brawlers will even drop an elbow smash once in a while. It's not fancy, but it would work for him.

Cena's promos could use a little more life. The one with Orton this past Monday was one of his best this year, and the innuendos there were somewhat his old style. He's still the most passionate guy on the WWE Roster, and he may eventually be better than Austin. But Vince does not want to make him into a Rattlesnake character like Austin was. So he's trying to mix elements of mostly Hogan and The Rock to make the Cena character what it is now.

 

[Chris in SC]

I personally like him. Is he the best in-ring technician? Far from it, but that's who he is. I watch sports-entertainment to be entertained. Cena entertains me. Hence, I like him. My litmus-test is pretty simple.

He has all the tools, he's got the look, he DOES know more than 5 moves, he's good on the mic, has charisma etc. He's just lacking that something that keeps him out of the Hogan/Flair/SCSA/Rock category of over-ness.

A bit of an edge might help. Like Christian lately -- he'll drop the hammer on Dreamer (a face) as quick as Swagger (Heel) if that's what is between him and the title. While booked as a face, and over with the crowd, he still has that unpredictibility to him now, which makes him cooler (to me at least). Now Finlay is moving to that category. ECW is actually interesting now.

Need to take this to Raw. Not saying Cena has to punt people and have a posse to do his dirty work, but just a bit more unpredictible aggression. With his 'The Champ is HERE' bit, the character is already developed as one who has the title as his #1 priority. Play that up and have him as a guy that will go through ANYONE to get the tile. Still book him as a face of course (not a lot of blatant cheating and dirtiness), but just not so much of a face.

 

[Ben-Phillips]

I think everyone has the right not to be a fan of John Cena, but if you're not a fan of John Cena, don't you dare talk to me about Batista. John Cena is, bottom line, one of the best workers to have ever entered the WWE, but I.W.C. marks are used to dreaming about what could be, instead of what is.. And because John Cena has a monster push, and the men these individuals think should be getting it aren't getting an equal or even close to, push... They complain and hate the guy receiving. Here's why that's a completely irrational way of looking at John Cena:

First and foremost, John Cena has earned ever last bit of the push he received, and will continue to do so in the future. I'm not going to lie and say I am a big John Cena fan, nor am I going to say I am a Cena hater. Those who hate John Cena usually give the same reasons, or none at all. "He can't wrestle." Or, "He's over-pushed." Alright... If John Cena getting Five World Championship title runs in a five year span of being a mid to upper carder is over-pushed, why don't people say the same things about The Rock or Steve Austin? Steve Austin got six world championship runs in a four year span, and The Rock had nine is a six year span.

Now, I'm not saying Austin or Rock didn't deserve these accolades, but here is the way I see it... Steve Austin was not a company man. He didn't want to put someone over, so he took his ball and went home... Leaving the company high and dry just because he wouldn't win a match he wanted to. How many times has John Cena walked out on the company? The Rock left because he'd done everything there was for him to do, which I'm alright with, John Cena has done just as much as The Rock in the same time span, just at different times, and I think he'll stay put for a long time to come. Not to take anything away from Austin or Rock, they were both very talented in their own respective ways, but in no way are they superior to Cena... The Rock was better in the ring and on the mic, but even he wasn't as big of a draw as Cena.

John Cena is a man of the company, he lives and breathes the business. Cena has proven he is willing to do anything and everything for the company because it's what he loves and wants to do. He goes out and does it, and time and time again, everyone pays to see more... Whether it is to boo or cheer him... That's what the company is based off of, who brings in the most money... And people constantly dish out their hard-earned dollars to see John Cena either win, or get his ass kicked... And as long as you continue to pay for it, or keep tuning in to his segments, he'll keep getting the same exact treatment. John Cena cut a rap album, but it under the WWE banner so they would get notoriety for it. He has been in two WWE films to get them more exposure. He has the most Make-A-Wish requests and has fulfilled more than anybody, because it helps WWE's image. And he seems to be a good-hearted guy. So please, before saying John Cena is a jackass and he sucks, think these things through.

Now, for him as a performer. John Cena is head and shoulders above near-to-all other big time Pro Wrestlers today charisma wise, and he can gut spectacular promos. John also is easily the company's biggest draw.... When Chris Jericho was World Heavyweight Champion and Cena was out on injury, the RAW ratings were 2.7, I don't know how many viewers that is, but it's VERY low for WWE. One week later, Cena is back and World Heavyweight Champion, it went to somewhere around 3.5 give or take.. That's significantly higher, thus meaning, he's the man people want to see, so he'll be booked the same until people quit caring altogether.. He isn't -THAT- bad in the ring. He's far better than Batista, who regularly messes up the moves he does night in and night out, and he's less reliable than John. Cena can carry anybody in the WWE, he carried The Great freakin' Khali to a decent mat at One Night Stand. His chemistry is off the charts with half the guys he ends up working with, and even if he does the same serious of ten moves (He does more than you acknowledge him for), you assume he's boring... No, that's what gets the crowd fired up. Watch Cena prior to WWE, he was much stiffer in the ring but he had more moves in his arsenal than he's using right now. And what little he does, he does very well.

*Quick Fact* John Cena holds the WWE's record for merchandise sales... You can't say he's not a bigger draw than The Rock or Steve Austin if more people buy his merchandise than Steve Austin OR The Rock all-time, revenue wise and individual sales. And when Austin or Rocky were gone, surely, the product was lacking, but there was no such dramatic leap/downfall in ratings if they were or were not on the card that night.

Regardless, I have plenty more.. But it's unfair to trash a man who's got all the tools he needs to be the greatest, or one of the greatest, of all-time and just because you dislike him.. Does not take away from anything I say, as it's all factual, unlike one's silly little biased opinions... I'll probably get slammed for this, but I have more if need be.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

i just dont like the guy winning all the time, when his title to rvd it was because of edge's interference and when he dropped the belt to orton because he was injured, then to edge with show interference. Its like no one can beat him with out an injury or severe interference. It insults me, because even hogan lost to the "Better" wrester at times and cena has beat them all and is too predictable. which is why i think people cheer edge and orton and others, because they want a different outcome or to be suprised instead of the same old same. I mean they are killing big show every damn ppv against cena, where alot of people know that in real life bigshow would squash him. i dont like him and this is why!

Problem is that Edge and Orton are getting stale and predictable as well. Generally, the best in the company win all the time so as long as Cena's the top guy in the company he will win most of the time.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

I don't think that's exactly true. I think the IWC is a lot bigger then it has ever been so I think some (Not all, or most even) like to cheer for the bad guy because it makes them feel smarter then the average wrestling fan.

With that being said, look at the face roster...

Cena... (Not going to elaborate on this much as the thread is about him.)

HHH: Known to bury people so he can remain at the top and is married to the bosses daughter, it's hard to believe he'd be where he's at if not for this. It makes it really hard to stomache him once you know this.

Batista: Terrible wrestler, terrible mic work. He's obviously nothing but muscles. What's to like if you're over the age of 12 and straight?

I think John Cena was billed as the next SCSA and instead of WWE running with it they hit the brake because they didn't want to look like they were trying to copy what SCSA did. The problem with this I feel is his gimic fell somewhere in the middle and never fully fleshed out into anything. It lost a lot but gained nothing in a sense.

Now I don't like Triple H but he was over before he started boinking Steph. People like to rip on the whole "he a Mcmahon" thing but that's not right. he was over before and would have still been over without her.

I don't understand all the Batista hate. His in ring work is about average. He's decent on the mic. I don't understand why he takes shit so much. Maybe it's because I have watched wrestling since I was 7(started in 1980) and have seen guys that were absolutely horrid in the ring and on the mic. I don't know. But I can sit through a Batista match and be mildly entertained.

My beef with Cena is that I didn't like the way he was shoved down our throats as a face even though he was being booed out of the building. The guy seems to have a great work ethic and he seems like a good guy. I don't hate the guy just the way the WWE went about presenting him. I don't think his in ring work is anything special either. Even though others say how great he is. He, like Batista can be carried to a great match but that's about it.

 

[PhoenixBuster]

I'm impartial to Cena right now but I still have some comments to give to the discussion to hopefully contribute.

I don't personally have a problem with the finishers as I've grown accustomed to them at this point and would find anything else odd. If he pulled a Jericho and was off tv for 2+ years or really just one, he could probably debut a new one like Y2J did with the Codebreaker upon his return.


Then in general terms to his move set, yeah, I think he could definitely use a few additions because the "5 moves of doom" do signal the end of a match on television basically every time, thus making the ending depressingly predictable. He just has an overly generic moveset with little flair to it comparatively to his original battery.

And lastly, I feel that Cena could fall in nicely in a Heel role but as a heel that goes over Face stars cleanly. I mean, most heels do the cheat to win thing. Cena could be the Heel that does the Face thing. That way, I could see it being as you're supposed to hate the guy but he goes over your favorite wrestler on his own so you can't really argue him. The guy once had the mic skills to be amazing and I feel that they are a bit over the top right now. He gets in the ring and does his over eccentric yelling and my fingers twitch to change the channel. But as a heel that would be the draw, that would be what would make him the heel. Use the mic to be disliked and the skills to drive home the point.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Now I don't like Triple H but he was over before he started boinking Steph. People like to rip on the whole "he a Mcmahon" thing but that's not right. he was over before and would have still been over without her.

I don't understand all the Batista hate. His in ring work is about average. He's decent on the mic. I don't understand why he takes shit so much. Maybe it's because I have watched wrestling since I was 7(started in 1980) and have seen guys that were absolutely horrid in the ring and on the mic. I don't know. But I can sit through a Batista match and be mildly entertained.

My beef with Cena is that I didn't like the way he was shoved down our throats as a face even though he was being booed out of the building. The guy seems to have a great work ethic and he seems like a good guy. I don't hate the guy just the way the WWE went about presenting him. I don't think his in ring work is anything special either. Even though others say how great he is. He, like Batista can be carried to a great match but that's about it.

Tell me you're kidding with that last statement. Tell me the last time Cena was carried to a great match. Umaga has had his best matches with Cena, as well as the Great Khali, Lashley, and even Edge. Batista is usually carried to a great match and here and there but Cena hasn't for a while.

 

[Papacitooo]

i hate cena because he never loses and always finds a way to pick up the big show he can get hit my a truck and still pick the big show up and win the match thats boring to watch....

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

i hate cena because he never loses and always finds a way to pick up the big show he can get hit my a truck and still pick the big show up and win the match thats boring to watch....

Wow. Those are some great reasons to explain why you hate Cena. Darn that Big Show for letting Cena pick him up. I mean that guy Lesnar picked up the Big Show and he never lost so should we hate him too. Next time, give more valid reasons.

 

[RendarSelin]

I honestly wish I knew why I dislike Cena so much (as a wrestler). As a man, I have nothing but the upmost respect for the man.

As it has been mentioned by multiple people, Cena is indeed dedicated to the business and extremely hard working. The man is the biggest contributor WWE has for the Make-a-Wish foundation. Giving hope and happiness to sick children in one's free time has to be something many of us can easily respect.

Even with all his hard work, Cena also loves to give back to his fans. I hear many stories in which Cena has met people on the street with respect and kindness, and I met him after a RAW a few years back myself (after the man wrestled 3 matches in 24 hours that we know of)...and was still posing with fans, signing autographs, and taking pictures with a smile on his face.

Tell me you're kidding with that last statement. Tell me the last time Cena was carried to a great match. Umaga has had his best matches with Cena, as well as the Great Khali, Lashley, and even Edge. Batista is usually carried to a great match and here and there but Cena hasn't for a while.

A common misconception seems to be Cena can't wrestle. He may not have the amateur background like Kurt Angle, Shelton Benjamin, or Brock Lesnar, but Cena knows his way around a ring. Many of the great matches of the last few years have involved Cena, and not because he has to be "carried" in the ring.
Cena VS. Angle
Cena VS. RVD
Cena VS. Edge - TLC
Cena VS. HBK - Ironman
Cena VS. Lashley
Cena VS. JBL - Parking Lot Brawl

So even with all these praises I can sing of Cena, why do I still hate his wrestling persona? I think it's because Cena has beaten all my favorite wrestlers at times when I wanted them on top: RVD, Edge, Kurt Angle, HBK at WM23. It's a similar hate I have for other sports winners: Boston Red Sox, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Lakers.