Y2J on Punk's Father

[sufyaan05]

However many years ago,

When Randy Orton Rko's Stephanie as a handcuffed HHH watched, and then laid a smacker on her (how I envied him for that)

And then HHH went round his house and threw him through the window,

The personal reality is what makes the product more edgy, gives it abit more of a realistic feel.

 

[trashboy]

LOL @ everyone saying, "It was hard to watch, blah blah blah." I thought it was funny, especially the look on Punk's face when Jericho said what he said. You all need to lighten up. This is wrestling. It's not real. Sure they bring "real life" into storylines some times, but it's still just a storyline. When someone brings this kind of stuff up in a movie or TV show, do you all cry and say it's hard to watch as well? I just wish I had a beer while watching the show, so when he said that, I could have lifted my beer and said, "yeah, screw straight edge"

 

[boozinjedi]

Does anyone know if Jericho's dad was ever on a Stanley Cup winning team?

If the answer is none,Punk could use that in his response..

How his son's obsession with "being the best" is nothing more than
trying to end a family legacy of mediocrity,that could be a used as an angle.

 

[mral82]

Jericho Rehashed Phil Brooks actual Drunk father which John Bradshaw Layfield did years ago during Brooks 1st title reign. Chris only did it so all the JeriTrolls would hate him as he is a heel and that's what heels do. Layfield brought it up during his and Punks Beer Drinking shot thing where Stone Cold was the enforcer. So did Layfield or Jericho go too far w/ that I don't think so as it gives the Feud or Story more depth and fire to it. This is the "Reality ERA" of all pro wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, and wherever else) were in so Realism is here to stay for a while. How will Phil "CM Punk" Brooks rebound the ball is now we wait til next week.

 

[The Voice]

i think they are looking for reasons to feud. the best in the world thing isnt a reason to feud.

 

[oldschool6804]

you're wrong wrestling is real anyone who says it's not doesn't know shit about what goes on BACKSTAGE!

 

[Tequila Dave]

Adam Gorzelsky wrote a good editorial on the main page about the Punk-Jericho feud, here’s a quote:

We had finally come full circle. The storyline had found its sea legs and we could all find comfort in the fact that we had received the fantasy-driven explanation that is necessary for two men to get in the ring together. All was right with the world.

Then Punk said it.

He told Jericho that all of this was unnecessary…That he simply could have walked up to Punk and asked him to fight without all of the bells and whistles because, at the end of the day, the two of them were going to engage in what could be the greatest wrestling match in Wrestlemania history.

While I’m perfectly fine with the WWE bringing in real life personal issues into storylines (as many have said, Punk vs. Hardy is a perfect example of it being done well), I’m not happy with this recent development. I believe the Best in the World premise was all that was needed to sell tickets and engage fans, but Jericho’s promo has completely changed what the feud is about. As a result, the match itself is no longer the story of two great competitors trying to prove whose better, but instead, Punk getting revenge for these remarks. This completely changes the match’s psychology (or at least it should).

Referring back to Adam’s editorial, whatever story the WWE came up with for these two was really just a formality. The prospect of these two wrestlers going at it is more than enough for most people, so I believe this recent addition to the feud is unnecessary and kind of wasted. That being said, I wouldn’t have minded so much if this had been introduced earlier.

 

[DirtyD79]

Trying to discredit the babyface is something a heel would do. Especially if they know it's something that will get under the babyface's skin. This is how to use "reality" in wrestling. There's only so far you can go with both of them fighting over a catchphrase.

 

[WCW_Sting]

I didn't read all of the replies so I don't know what all has been said. I did notice that someone said "Punk hasn't been taking this seriously"...exactly. These two could go on and on about how they're "the best in the world [at everything I do]" and how the other isn't, but it would bring more of Jericho's somber cockiness and more of Punk's confident snarkiness. Jericho took this feud to another level with something that the best of heels have utilized...mind games. I agree it came out of nowhere, but that's good. None of us expected it.

Chris Jericho and CM Punk are two of the best minds in the business right now. Relax...they know what they're doing.

Get over yourselves and enjoy some wrestling.

 

[LSN80]

I don't have an issue with the content of the promo. I have an issue with them shitting on the existing storyline and feud that was already a heated and engaging game of one-upsmanship that needed no extra "emotional content"--something that both performers went so far as to publicly state a few weeks ago. It's not about morality. It's about who deserves to be called "Best in the World."

I disagree. To me, this was the ultimate game of one-upmanship. Chris Jericho, since 2009, has been walking around saying he's the "Best In The World At Everything He Does." Part of wrestling is getting inside your opponents head, and what better way to do so then by having Jericho hit Punk where it hurts the most? Jericho gained the preverbial edge last week on Punk by reversing the roll-up and pinning him, and now he 's gained an edge on Punk psychologically as well.

Although it hasn't been said in some time, Punk used to go by the motto that "Straight-Edge means I'm better than you."Though he no longer claims that, Punk doesn't exactly come across as a sympathetic face. He's a guy to cheer-for sure- but he's not a sympathetic character in the slightest. That changed last night. Both he and Jericho throughout the course of the build have come across as self-assured and arrogant. This differentiated them substantially, and was also about creating that much needed sympathy for Punk. When was the last time someone took a shot at Punk, and he had no reply? I certainly can't recall. Again, edge Jericho. Further, this does relate back to being the "Best in the World." After pinning Punk last week, then humiliating him last night, Jericho certainly has that claim right now, does he not?

Finally, look at this through the eyes of a casual viewer. If you weren't sold on Punk over Jericho before last night, how could you not be after last night? Jericho is the manipulative, heartless bastard who will do anything to gain an advantage, even if it's targeting someone where it hurts the most. In humilating Punk, he gave any casual viewer who wasn't sold on the feud before the desire to see one thing: CM Punk destroy Chris Jericho at Wrestlemania.

Isn't that what professional wrestling for most viewers is about? Heels and faces with defined roles, and the desire to see the face give the heel his. Well, with one promo last night, Chris Jericho defined the roles for both men. If undecided before, who do you think the casual viewer wants to see win at Wrestlemania now?

 

[H33LTurn]

Look, you dont have a Mania match for the sake of having a Mania match. There has to be a storyline. Some of you couldnt care less because you love Punk and would watch him do anything no matter how relevant or irrelevant it is but to the rest of the people who are just "meh" over him or those who arent avid watchers and are just buying Mania to see Rock vs Cena, it would make sense to included a storyline for them to follow. What highlights would they show if there were no updates to this rivalry? Come on just think it through for a moment. Secondly, its just a storyline. Why are people getting upset? Jerry Lawler was said to have been bleeding from the anus a couple of months after Cole made fun of his mother's death and he shrugged it off like nothing. All the sudden Punk, the guy who doesnt care about voicing his opinion on people's personal lives in and out of the WWE needs you to be a tightass over his dad's drinking? Punk probably loves this storyline. It allows him to claim that hes better than his father and I love it because we finally have some background info on why Punk is straightedge.

 

[Wrestlemania 20-0]

he is approximatively the same things that Randy Orton to kick the head of John cena Father's in 2007,he is return the same this year at Vengeance.
an other exemple when Chris Jericho slammed an Knockout to the wife of shawn in 2008 before the ladder match at No mercy.

It's just an storyline and i'm persuad when the match is closed Punk and Jericho enjoy together in the coffee bar.

 

[PlayTheGameHHH]

Jericho was doing is job, something a lot of heels these days are struggling to do! He made it personal and in your face, it was unexpected and it worked. I mean just look at some of the people on here you're nearly crying like little babies

Punk sold it brilliantly and, in my opinion, this build up is a hell of a lot better than some shitty rap and concert. It's a good old fashioned wrestling story.

A lot of the young guys in the back could fucking learn a thing or two from Chris Jericho and CM Punk, two of the best the WWE has to offer.

 

[M3420]

Alright, I know I'm jumping in here on page 7 or 8, but I feel this is about as good of a spot as I could find to bring up this very important question:

Has the World Title / WWE Title become 'midcard' material?

Alright I know that this question probably deserves its own thread, and maybe someone already actually did make a thread on it, but I will try to lay out my points as cleanly as I can....

Yeah, I do think the Punk / Jericho build has been random, somewhat poorly executed, and very left field with the alcoholic thing *yawn*

However, Punk Jericho is at best the third most exciting match on this year's card in my opinion and I'm going to guess the opinion of many many others. There are also quite a few who would probably disagree with me and point out that these two in-ring artists will probably paint a much more intricate picture at this year's Mania and only time will tell.

Nevertheless, I could honestly care less about the Daniel Bryan Sheamus match, and also want to point out that the World Title match 'jerked the curtain' at last year's but that very well could have been for medical precaution or otherwise.

I could almost say that I care more about Team Laurinitis vs. Team Teddy more than the two world title matches, but I don't want to be fish fried in the responses to this!!!! But for the record, I do think it will be more entertaining that DB/Sheamus (Not Punk/Jericho, though)

Does there come a point where some stars sort of 'graduate' beyond having to have gold on their shoulder in order to be considered the top of the food chain--Cena, Triple H, Taker, HBK, Orton, Kane, and I'm sure many others illustrate my point. We're also at a point that just about everyone and their brother has held some sort of 'World Title' (even David Arquette, but we'll leave that one alone)

I know this is getting super sloppy and maybe may not even be read by many, but I just wanted some off the cuff feedback on it. Sorry if I should have gone about it a better way--feel free to gray box me all you like, but I do feel I have a good discussion topic here

**Do we need some sort of super duper undisputed World WWE Heavyweight Champion of Champions to be crowned at Wrestlemania 30 for the gold to become more relevant again. I mean it does strike me as strange that the world title matches may only reach third from the top of the card this year, when in the old days, you sat for what seemed like hours waiting patiently for the WWF championship to be defended and hopefully change into the hands of your favorite 'good guy' Ahh how the times have changed Don't even get me started on the IC and/or tag belts!!!!!!

Thanks for reading

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I don't get the whole "It's fake so leave real life out of it".

these guys aren't a bunch of Daniel Day-Lewises. They NEED some sort of inspiration to act. That's why most of them don't really transform themselves, they are just themselves amped up. Why do you think Punk's reaction to it was so realistic? It's because he probably had images of his dad coming home smelling like beer taking an Old Style into the shower with him.

I love it that Jericho brought this up, it's personal now and people can and will look this shit up and see that it's stuff Punk feels strongly about and is mostly true.

It's certainly better than the ridiculously contrived Kliq circle jerk HHH has turned the Taker/HHH cell match into. "SHAWN I'M BETTER THAN YOU" "HUNTER, NO YOU'RE NOT" "hey guys....I'm in this feud too, I'm not just a vehicle for you guys to rehash some old feud you liked in the past to make yourselves look cool....I'M THE FUCKIN UNDERTAKER"

 

[Charlie M]

Seemed like an excellent promo to me. It was offensive. That's what we need to see more of.

 

[dansaint]

those saying the match didn't need something else to it...it actually did.

The WWE Title is the 3rd match. It's buried. Yes....Rock/Cena and HHH/Taker are worthy of their spot...but you need something more than just "battle of best of the world" to get people to pay attention.

Punk needed something more for this match. As others have mentioned...Punk had no edge to him in this feud. Now...he has that edge. Jericho also needed that edge because his return up until Monday night has been a little flat and lackluster (although I loved the Jeri-troll segments). Now there's more to the match than just the WWE Title and "Title of Best of the World"....now it's personal and matches that are "personal" have more fire and passion behind them and make for better stories.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Personally, I agree with people saying that the feud needed this. Every other top feud is personal. "best in the world" really isn't something personal, it's kinda sporty and boring.

IMO, Punk and Jericho are capable of having the best promos and match. As I've ranted about before, I'm not into HHH/Taker at all and if it weren't in the cell, I wouldn't have any shits to give about that match. In fact, HBK being involved almost negates the cell to me. So to me, Punk/Jericho was already number 2 as far as "shit I look forward to every week". It could soon surpass Rock/Cena.

Anyone else hoping for a WWE version of Punk's "THIS IS STRAIGHTEDGE" promo?

 

[alistahr]

Personally, I hated the segment last night between CM Punk and Chris Jericho. It was the closest I have come to changing the station or turning the television off altogether due to my displeasure with a segment in a really long time. It was in poor taste, it was totally unnecessary, and in fact cheapens the development of the feud between the two guys which was otherwise progressing nicely without nonsense of this nature.

Look, I understand the concept of kayfabe. I get the idea of blurring the lines between kayfabe and reality to enhance feuds and inject emotion into feuds. And I understand that this all happens in a pre scripted manner with the knowledge and consent of the participants. Nothing new here. But just because it has happened before, and just because the guys are OK with it, doesn't make it right. I don't watch ROH, never have and probably never will. The fact that Punk used some of this extraneous nonsense previously in ROH doesn't make me like it now. Just because Lawler had no problem referencing his mother doesn't make it any more appealing to me. So even if Punk is totally on board with this stuff, I didn't like it and find it an unnecessary and unappealing distraction from an otherwise quality feud for the biggest prize in the biggest company, and for the bragging rights to the moniker of "the best in the world".

If it is not based in truth, and Punk's father is not an alcoholic, it is disrespectful to the families of people who are struggling with alcoholism in their daily lives. If it is true, even more so. And the suggestion that Y2J wants to beat him so badly that he'll turn Punk into an alcoholic in the process is pretty cheap. I've never liked the fact that Punk being straight edge tends to be portrayed negatively at times. And I certainly didn't like anything about that segment last night.

Come on, WWE, the WM28 card is super stacked and should be off the charts. You have the third most interesting matchup (for most) involving two excellent superstars, vying for the top prize in the largest pro wrestling organization in the world, not to mention the bragging rights for the claim of being the best in the world. Don't cheapen it and detract from it with low budget nonsense like this. That belongs on another night, on another station, in another organization altogether.

im sorry but its Punk's turn imo. And what i mean by that is Punk said some pretty personal things about Jeff Hardy back in their feud in 09. I am in no way a big fan of hardy but i remember thinking those went too far, now, i see a lot of people online who were okay with this angle yet they find the whole jericho promo in poor taste, thats incredibly hypocritical. People need to calm down and realize like some before said, this is to make the feud more personal, seeing someone smirk and not take seriously is quite annoying, they should do the same to cena before i punch my tv (and my tv is huge and expensive, i will be very upset)

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

People who think this angle is in poor taste, why do you think it's in poor taste?

It's something that a LOT of people can relate to. If not in the sense of "my dad was an acoholic" then maybe in the sense of "I have some shit in my past that I cover up and hide and don't want to bring out".

to me that's so much more powerful than "I R TEH BEST" "I R TEH BEST AT WUT I DO". It makes the wrestler's better actors and makes the story more relateable. It's not cheap. Cussing and doing shocking things is cheap. Saying some relateable, real shit (even if his dad is sober now) is just good story telling.

Think about the movie citizen kane. It was one of the first movies to depict the american dream in a way that says "you can sell your soul and be rich but still be a lonely miserable fuck". A lot of people, especially people now, see that as more real and something more people can relate to. Back when the movie was made, people didn't like it as much, they wanted the gone with the wind charming, handsome, successful, rich, white guy falling in love with the spoiled used to be rich southern bell. I guess it's personal preference but I feel like Punk and Jericho just got a hell of a lot more interesting because it's no longer a feud about something that ultimately, every feud is about. It's now bigger.

 

[Remy LaCroix]

I think it's great fuel for the feud (I can spell! =D). Before this past Raw I was like, "okay yeah, best in the blah blah blah whatever. When will Brodus Clay have a match so I can see Naomi's big ass?" Now I'm like, "OOOOOH he's talking about Punk's daddy. I can relate 'cause I has daddy issues too! Oh fuck yeah, it's Funkasaurus and company!...um, where was I?"

But yeah, Punk's emotion looked genuine. I thought it was amazing and a great way to get under Punk's skin. Kudos Jericho, kudos.

 

[ttdg]

Maybe I am overthinking this thing but couldn't it be possible that maybe Jericho, as a heel, doesn't believe that he is the best in the world. Maybe he is having doubts and to level the playing field he gets personal to get Punk off his game to win. It ties in with what some people are saying he is going to try to win any way he can.

 

[Azane]

This gives Punk a chance to explore new territory, his character has went from straight edge goodie goodie to straight edge better than you, to tweener, to rebellous almost face of the company, he's never an emotion story, he's always been about his personal beliefs or his self righteousness, now we get to see how CM Punk can handle another dimension of his character.

Realistically, all you need is the belt for a classic matchup, anything else is just spicing it up, and it's WM, the matches should be built up like this, and it may be interesting to see where it goes.

I came from a family that was closest alcoholic, so I know where the feelings come from, and all my siblings have steered away from ethanol outside of weekends responsibly because of it, it's actually made us stronger on the subject, but there is some suspension of belief, CM Punk may live his life straight edge and all of that, but it takes 1 moment of weakness to give in.

Punk seems to be doing great in this role, as I said, it's not something we're used to seeing, and for all I know, that he's used to showing. Let's see where it leads too, I know this has been a dream match for some people for a while, so all the psychology aside, the match is going to draw, adding more won't hurt unless they really overspice it.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

It was a statement that is bound to divide the opinion of the people. Some may think of it as a distasteful act on the part of the WWE and some may think of it as some neccesary fuel for the feud. Personally, I do not have any sort of issue with this statement. Yes, there may be some people who have faced such issues who may be uncomfortable with WWE doing this story but there may be others with similar issues who may actually get caught in the kayfabe aspect of things and root for Punk. And it is always those people that WWE makes stories for.

I truly believe that it is in this respect that Jericho talking about Punk's drunkard dad is a lot more different than Cole bringing up Lawler's recently deceased mom. Not many people make fun of a recently deceased loved one but there are people who tend to judge and ridicule you on your parents' misgivings. Maybe not as openly or with as much malicious intent as Jericho did but I do feel that this is something that someone may have faced more than someone making fun of the recent death of a loving one. It is more relateable.

While this feud has been good, most people admit that it has not been great and maybe even a bit too generic for a show like WrestleMania. This move may be what makes this feud great. Jericho comes off as a huge jerk for mentioning something like this. This guy here has also hit the nail right on the head.

Maybe I am overthinking this thing but couldn't it be possible that maybe Jericho, as a heel, doesn't believe that he is the best in the world. Maybe he is having doubts and to level the playing field he gets personal to get Punk off his game to win. It ties in with what some people are saying he is going to try to win any way he can.

You are absolutely correct. Heels are generally an insecure bunch who make big statements not so much to convince the audience but themselves of their greatness. Jericho knows Punk is good and so he is trying anything and everything to get into his head. Another explanation could be that Jericho tried getting into Punk's head by those promos and videos about Punk stealing his work but that did not work out and so he has gone with this.

What I also liked was Punk's reaction. He did not make any smarmy comments. He looked genuinely hurt as if Jericho had touched a nerve. That makes me want to cheer for Punk more than before. Earlier this feud was about who was better among the two and that was a statement subject to opinion. Now it's about a babyface shutting a jerk up. There can be no second thoughts about the person you want to support here and thereby is a more effective way of putting Punk over.

 

[oldschool6804]

it's not kayfabe you're wrong punks real father is an alcoholic kayfabe implies it's not real you're an IDIOT!