WZCW Discussion Thread

[Deexter Jorgan]

Im cool with that too, Mic is quite fast paced and i will be writing matches also, and it doesnt interfeare with out(the tech teams stuff for the main show, so dont worry yourselves about that coz i believe that this is a good thing, its not for lesser talent just guys who are starting out, and in my mind i would love to start working with the main creative team to get things runing smoothly for acid and maybe add to storylines that you guys had planned it would help make the transition more smoothly

 

[a0161613]

Hey guys,

I guess my mention of house shows kickstarted this. I would love to be a part of this "brand extension" if you would allow (the only problems is have no access to anything like MSN, so PM's or emails are the best way to get hold of me.)

Having read the posts from Gus, Lee and DJ, these are points that i would like to make.

I do not like the idea of a second show.....YET! My original point was based around house shows, which is something that is mentioned in the original guidelines that i think are stickied in this section.

For the time being, this is the way to go. Let us prove to creative that you/we/us can make the house shows work before we get ahead of ourselves by booking another show.

These house shows should be ideally be a showcase for what we can do. Really it could be somewhere where RP's and promo and match writing can be honed and practised to perfection.

As per my understanding of the WWE events, there should be logical results. You may not see Grand Mystique (using GM as an example) get put over Rios or Will, but you should be able to see Rios or Will being taken to the limit and with a clean finish. ( I can imagine working in a similar way as explained by chris masters about how he regularly went 20 minutes with HBK on the arena circuit.)

Alternatively, we can use the guys from the released wrestler roster as jobbers to put over the guys that can be arsed to put in the effort.

If this idea takes off then good performance by RPs, promos and character development should be rewarded through promotion. Ideally, everyone who appears in the house shows will make it up to the main roster because their determination will deserve it.

While we are (rightly) strict on not RPing for Meltdown and PPV's, not appearing for the house shows should not be taken as seriously, maybe we will just go to have a quick word with the person involved about the commitment that we expect.

It is only fair that if we are serious about starting anything branching off of Meltdown like that creative approve it first. And as a result i think you three should have a chat with Enforcer, Sincade and / or Will, discuss procedures and your visions.

Really they will have the final say, they will add people to the roster, approve matches and storylines. They have the power to "make" your ideas work and it is vital you get them onside and use at least one of them as a link between you guys and creative (as a whole).

Obviously Meltdown and PPV take priority but i do not see why this cannot work both short and long term. Like Enforcer said, if we can prove this can work, then they will seriously consider it. Do that and go from there.

(Gus, Lee and DJ: i know these are your ideas and you are running with them and i know i referred to it as Us and We several times-just take it as me trying to get my point across ok and if you want me to help and be a part of it then i will gladly.)

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Hey guys,

I guess my mention of house shows kickstarted this. I would love to be a part of this "brand extension" if you would allow (the only problems is have no access to anything like MSN, so PM's or emails are the best way to get hold of me.)

Having read the posts from Gus, Lee and DJ, these are points that i would like to make.

I do not like the idea of a second show.....YET! My original point was based around house shows, which is something that is mentioned in the original guidelines that i think are stickied in this section.

For the time being, this is the way to go. Let us prove to creative that you/we/us can make the house shows work before we get ahead of ourselves by booking another show.

These house shows should be ideally be a showcase for what we can do. Really it could be somewhere where RP's and promo and match writing can be honed and practised to perfection.

As per my understanding of the WWE events, there should be logical results. You may not see Grand Mystique (using GM as an example) get put over Rios or Will, but you should be able to see Rios or Will being taken to the limit and with a clean finish. ( I can imagine working in a similar way as explained by chris masters about how he regularly went 20 minutes with HBK on the arena circuit.)

Alternatively, we can use the guys from the released wrestler roster as jobbers to put over the guys that can be arsed to put in the effort.

If this idea takes off then good performance by RPs, promos and character development should be rewarded through promotion. Ideally, everyone who appears in the house shows will make it up to the main roster because their determination will deserve it.

While we are (rightly) strict on not RPing for Meltdown and PPV's, not appearing for the house shows should not be taken as seriously, maybe we will just go to have a quick word with the person involved about the commitment that we expect.

It is only fair that if we are serious about starting anything branching off of Meltdown like that creative approve it first. And as a result i think you three should have a chat with Enforcer, Sincade and / or Will, discuss procedures and your visions.

Really they will have the final say, they will add people to the roster, approve matches and storylines. They have the power to "make" your ideas work and it is vital you get them onside and use at least one of them as a link between you guys and creative (as a whole).

Obviously Meltdown and PPV take priority but i do not see why this cannot work both short and long term. Like Enforcer said, if we can prove this can work, then they will seriously consider it. Do that and go from there.

(Gus, Lee and DJ: i know these are your ideas and you are running with them and i know i referred to it as Us and We several times-just take it as me trying to get my point across ok and if you want me to help and be a part of it then i will gladly.)

Its a good idea, but acid is not a brand extension of sorts its more like heat, we get stars who are starting out and enable them to have a starting point either via promo or match rps, i feel that this will work better then the usual formulae by a) not getting involved with major storylines so that creative can work there magic b) add to the WZCW feuds by having midcard feuds played out as main event on acid so that we can see what these guys can do in a main event spot (with the ok of the mods of course)

we can run the show every other week when meltdown is not posted

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

starting another show wont help out any, it will cause more problems then solutions.

I totally agree and am very against this Heat type of show. The reason guys aren't always used on Meltdown is because they have been signed when the card has already been decided upon. We don't have enough guys to make this divide evenly, and I think that there shouldn't even be thoughts about a second show until Meltdown is maxed out. And it definitely is not. Why not focus all of our attention on Meltdown and make it better? I understand that some guys want to get practice doing RPs. But instead of making another show...JUST PRACTICE RPing. Maybe you can open up a practice RP thread or you can just do it on a word processer. Either way, there are solutions to this matter that don't involve creating an entirely new show that will essentially water-down the main show, regardless of the roster used and the intention of said show.

 

[thecruiser]

I don't have time to read all of the "ACID" discussion, so bear with me. Let me get this straight; a completely separate show than Meltdown, with it's own roster of newer guys. Are there going to be separate titles to go along with the show also? Or is this basically to replace house shows so the newer guys can get more experience so the more experienced guys don't have to do it.

 

[Melon Farmer]

Wow...you are a very slow kid, cruiser.

It's a show that is equivalent to Heat. It's for people who don't have so much exposure on Meltdown, like McBrady, Colon, some guy named jeff. You are wondering: Who the fuck is colon and Jeff? Well that's the point of our show. We want to get the new guys on this show for a while to simply learn how to RP and get the jist of it. That's all I'm saying.

I have started writing my RP for the roulette, and let's just say it is electrifying! Simply cool, and one of a kind.

I haven't read a single RP yet but I promise I will when I have time to fully get into reading RP mode. I have a certain way I read RP's. I visualize that I am the person so I gotta get in the game. I'm not in the game yet because I'm busy, but I promise I will read them and leave feedback.

 

[Gus]

Ok, first of all, i've seen plenty people not on meltdown who have applied and been accepted, like that Colon guy, he was accepted for like a month, never even mentioned, I dont want to start anything, but i think we should give ACID a chance, and as far as Meltdown goes, I cant wait for it

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I don't have time to read all of the "ACID" discussion, so bear with me. Let me get this straight; a completely separate show than Meltdown, with it's own roster of newer guys. Are there going to be separate titles to go along with the show also? Or is this basically to replace house shows so the newer guys can get more experience so the more experienced guys don't have to do it.

No offense meant.. but if you didn't bother finding the time to read through the entire discussion of the "ACID" conversation.. then you shouldn't bother posting a half assed opinion on the matter either.

Had you of read through it, you would've seen that it doesn't involve a brand extention, it doesn't involve new belts, and its basically nothing more than what they want to consider HeAT to be.

Now.. this is what I want to point out.. for the last time (hopefully)

EVERYONE: This show will already create its first flaw, before ever debuting. Why you ask? Because Leore has been running off about how it'll be for guys like Colon, McBrady, and "some guy named Jeff" when the fact is.. Meltdown already had plans for most of the newer talent.. but it was SUPPOSE to be a surprise.

Therefore, congrats on blowing that up. Now, when you're done realizing that another show is going to be anything other than problem causing.. we can work out the possibilty of you running a show "before" Meltdown, after we give you a list of the guys who WON'T be used on Meltdown..

I'll be okay with you running a show with guys we don't use.. but I'm NOT okay with feeling like we have to explain every single storyline and secret we have, just because three of you wanna branch out on your own.

Ultimately, where was this idea spawned from? The fact that Meltdown is bi-weekly. (if even then, as Reaper once said) Well, ACID won't be anything quicker.. it'll have to run after every Meltdown we produce.. therefore, ACID will be just as slowly put together, AS Meltdown..

So now what?

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

No offense meant.. but if you didn't bother finding the time to read through the entire discussion of the "ACID" conversation.. then you shouldn't bother posting a half assed opinion on the matter either.

Had you of read through it, you would've seen that it doesn't involve a brand extention, it doesn't involve new belts, and its basically nothing more than what they want to consider HeAT to be.

Now.. this is what I want to point out.. for the last time (hopefully)

EVERYONE: This show will already create its first flaw, before ever debuting. Why you ask? Because Leore has been running off about how it'll be for guys like Colon, McBrady, and "some guy named Jeff" when the fact is.. Meltdown already had plans for most of the newer talent.. but it was SUPPOSE to be a surprise.

Therefore, congrats on blowing that up. Now, when you're done realizing that another show is going to be anything other than problem causing.. we can work out the possibilty of you running a show "before" Meltdown, after we give you a list of the guys who WON'T be used on Meltdown..

I'll be okay with you running a show with guys we don't use.. but I'm NOT okay with feeling like we have to explain every single storyline and secret we have, just because three of you wanna branch out on your own.

Ultimately, where was this idea spawned from? The fact that Meltdown is bi-weekly. (if even then, as Reaper once said) Well, ACID won't be anything quicker.. it'll have to run after every Meltdown we produce.. therefore, ACID will be just as slowly put together, AS Meltdown..

So now what?

Not really, as i feel that me gus and lee are actually faster at putting the show together, once i get the promos in i feel that the show will be complete as early as tomorrow also why not have acid run a the weeks when meltdown is not on?, that would be better and give us a show every week, its a good thing and im sorry if people feel that me lee and gus are treading on everyones toes we are trying to do the exact opposite of this

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Not really, as i feel that me gus and lee are actually faster at putting the show together, once i get the promos in i feel that the show will be complete as early as tomorrow also why not have acid run a the weeks when meltdown is not on?, that would be better and give us a show every week, its a good thing and im sorry if people feel that me lee and gus are treading on everyones toes we are trying to do the exact opposite of this

This is EXACTLY what I mean in why its a BAD idea. You just pointed out you want a weekly show. Thats impossible because you'll be running your own storylines with W.Z.C.W. talent. If Meltdown is bi-weekly, then we can't very well say "so and so got injured" when he's suddenly wrestling on your show, now can we?

And that treads on having to feel we "must" explain all of our laid out plans and storylines to everyone else.

I'm sorry David, just because you, Gus and Leore may write quicker, or produce a faster show.. I'm officially saying I'm no longer allowing it. Enforcer and Sincade have the final say.. and if they want it, thats fine.. and "I" don't mean disrespect by saying this to you, I hope you (and Leore too) don't decide to come pick arguments with me over this..

But you just said what you were trying to do, which is the exact thing I was trying to stop. Meltdown isn't weekly.. and I understand people are beginning to have issues with that, but I'm sorry we can't allow any other show with lesser talent or not, to run a weekly show.. because it'd definately conflict with the overall product.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Not really, as i feel that me gus and lee are actually faster at putting the show together, once i get the promos in i feel that the show will be complete as early as tomorrow also why not have acid run a the weeks when meltdown is not on?, that would be better and give us a show every week, its a good thing and im sorry if people feel that me lee and gus are treading on everyones toes we are trying to do the exact opposite of this

A) Regardless of how fast you can "put the show together," it still has to be approved. It wouldn't get posted until it got oked by either Sincade or Enforcer.

B) You still have not realized that MELTDOWN STORYLINES ARE PRIORITY. You can't run together storylines without knowing what is going to happen on Meltdown. And you can't know what is going on at Meltdown because you aren't creative.

C) If you ignore the fact that Meltdown storylines take priority, your show is going to suck. BIG TIME. It'll make no sense and will contradict Meltdown. You say that "you aren't trying to compete with Meltdown." But be honest, any second show is going to take away from Meltdown.

D) All of the guys that are "not being used" are in the cards. BE patient. Gus is incorrect, as far as I know. A guy would not just be left off if he was on the active roster when planning was being done.

E) This is a HORRENDOUS idea. I have seen this happen before. "Oh, but Ricky, this isn't the same WZCW." Whatever. Even if it didn't happen before, I could see the results from a mile away. It's human dynamics. It causes dissention. It cannot happen.

F) It may just be me, but I'm pretty sure Enforcer "enforced" this show out of the cards earlier.

H) I understand that you may have virtuous intentions with this idea, so I apologize if I jumped to false conclusions. But the fact that I have given my advice twice and have been ignored or written off without a second glance influenced me to take this approach.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

This is EXACTLY what I mean in why its a BAD idea. You just pointed out you want a weekly show. Thats impossible because you'll be running your own storylines with W.Z.C.W. talent. If Meltdown is bi-weekly, then we can't very well say "so and so got injured" when he's suddenly wrestling on your show, now can we?

And that treads on having to feel we "must" explain all of our laid out plans and storylines to everyone else.

I'm sorry David, just because you, Gus and Leore may write quicker, or produce a faster show.. I'm officially saying I'm no longer allowing it. Enforcer and Sincade have the final say.. and if they want it, thats fine.. and "I" don't mean disrespect by saying this to you, I hope you (and Leore too) don't decide to come pick arguments with me over this..

But you just said what you were trying to do, which is the exact thing I was trying to stop. Meltdown isn't weekly.. and I understand people are beginning to have issues with that, but I'm sorry we can't allow any other show with lesser talent or not, to run a weekly show.. because it'd definately conflict with the overall product.

Will i still think you dont understand what im saying so im not gonna talk anymore about this in the discussion thread, i will present the show to sincade like ive been asked and if its still a bad idea then let it get nixed at least give us a chance to show that it will work and as i said before this is a pilot, and if we have to have the mods take control of the product and storylines to get the show going properly then im fine with that.

Also im not going to argue with you on msn about the show, i feel that you do need to understand what we are doing and that it is not in any way shape or form trying to take over our current product its just something that i feel would be a good idea, its a good concept and instead of judging it please read through the show and give it a chance to at least be considered instead of being negative about it because i dont feel that you are being fair.

Thats all i need to say on the matter

 

[Gus]

This is EXACTLY what I mean in why its a BAD idea. You just pointed out you want a weekly show. Thats impossible because you'll be running your own storylines with W.Z.C.W. talent. If Meltdown is bi-weekly, then we can't very well say "so and so got injured" when he's suddenly wrestling on your show, now can we?

And that treads on having to feel we "must" explain all of our laid out plans and storylines to everyone else.

I'm sorry David, just because you, Gus and Leore may write quicker, or produce a faster show.. I'm officially saying I'm no longer allowing it. Enforcer and Sincade have the final say.. and if they want it, thats fine.. and "I" don't mean disrespect by saying this to you, I hope you (and Leore too) don't decide to come pick arguments with me over this..

But you just said what you were trying to do, which is the exact thing I was trying to stop. Meltdown isn't weekly.. and I understand people are beginning to have issues with that, but I'm sorry we can't allow any other show with lesser talent or not, to run a weekly show.. because it'd definately conflict with the overall product.

hmmm... I see what you are getting at, and we're not trying to rush the show or dilute the overall product, we're just trying to help out the "new guys" and people who might need a little practice in getting in RPs, while still competing against somebody else, and I understand that we might not have enough people overall to produce another show, and, well, we might never have that much, but as someone who started out at the bottom of the barrel, with probably the worst RPs on the show, to now being a former Elite X Champion, the only thing that helped me out was practicing my RPs and thinking outside of the box, so i just want to give the other guys the same chance that I had

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

A) Regardless of how fast you can "put the show together," it still has to be approved. It wouldn't get posted until it got oked by either Sincade or Enforcer.

B) You still have not realized that MELTDOWN STORYLINES ARE PRIORITY. You can't run together storylines without knowing what is going to happen on Meltdown. And you can't know what is going on at Meltdown because you aren't creative.

C) If you ignore the fact that Meltdown storylines take priority, your show is going to suck. BIG TIME. It'll make no sense and will contradict Meltdown. You say that "you aren't trying to compete with Meltdown." But be honest, any second show is going to take away from Meltdown.

D) All of the guys that are "not being used" are in the cards. BE patient. Gus is incorrect, as far as I know. A guy would not just be left off if he was on the active roster when planning was being done.

E) This is a HORRENDOUS idea. I have seen this happen before. "Oh, but Ricky, this isn't the same WZCW." Whatever. Even if it didn't happen before, I could see the results from a mile away. It's human dynamics. It causes dissention. It cannot happen.

F) It may just be me, but I'm pretty sure Enforcer "enforced" this show out of the cards earlier.

H) I understand that you may have virtuous intentions with this idea, so I apologize if I jumped to false conclusions. But the fact that I have given my advice twice and have been ignored or written off without a second glance influenced me to take this approach.

Ricky no offence, but sincade was the one who asked for the pilot so he gets the final say on the show regardless of anyones opinions, and that is the same treatment that we are getting the show is being written off before it has even been completed, that isnt fair so let us do this once and see what the mods think and ive said it before if the mods have storylines in place then why not work with us to include those ideas in acid as well as meltdown im not saying the show is gonna cause barriers because im not the type of person who wants that wzcw is my heart and soul and i put 1105 into the fed weather its making vids, to writing shows, to making sigs, to rping so dont take this as us trying to get ours we are working on making the fed better just like will, just like ricky, just like alex just like everyone who has ever filled an application and thats pure fact!

 

[Bentallica]

A) Regardless of how fast you can "put the show together," it still has to be approved. It wouldn't get posted until it got oked by either Sincade or Enforcer.

B) You still have not realized that MELTDOWN STORYLINES ARE PRIORITY. You can't run together storylines without knowing what is going to happen on Meltdown. And you can't know what is going on at Meltdown because you aren't creative.

C) If you ignore the fact that Meltdown storylines take priority, your show is going to suck. BIG TIME. It'll make no sense and will contradict Meltdown. You say that "you aren't trying to compete with Meltdown." But be honest, any second show is going to take away from Meltdown.

D) All of the guys that are "not being used" are in the cards. BE patient. Gus is incorrect, as far as I know. A guy would not just be left off if he was on the active roster when planning was being done.

E) This is a HORRENDOUS idea. I have seen this happen before. "Oh, but Ricky, this isn't the same WZCW." Whatever. Even if it didn't happen before, I could see the results from a mile away. It's human dynamics. It causes dissention. It cannot happen.

F) It may just be me, but I'm pretty sure Enforcer "enforced" this show out of the cards earlier.

H) I understand that you may have virtuous intentions with this idea, so I apologize if I jumped to false conclusions. But the fact that I have given my advice twice and have been ignored or written off without a second glance influenced me to take this approach.

I haven't really commented on the entire "ACID" situation, but I agree with Ricky on this one. Our roster isn't huge like WWE's, we can't afford to have two show's running with certain wrestlers on certain shows, brand extention or not. The way it seems is that "ACID" is supposed to be for all the newcomers to the fed, almost like a training show for the new guys. Well, what if the fed has a big boom coming our way and tons of people sign up and are approved? They all go to ACID, which may lead you to think that most of the ACID roster would go to Meltdown. But what if they're not ready for the big competition on what would be WZCW's "A" show? Then they get into a losing slump, and may get frustrated enough to leave the fed. That could be the case with most of the ACID roster, which means we could lose up-and-coming RPer's to new RPer's who might not be as dedicated. I know that's a big "What If...", but it could possibly happen.

Now if some new guys don't think they're RP's are up to snuff with most of the fed's, and they agree to this with another RPer, then maybe they could face each other in some sort of dark match. The match could be shown only to creative, it's writer, and the combatants, and we could just find out the results. It wouldn't be a priority, but it could at least allow newer RPer's to try and win and support development. Or, sort of like what me and Ricky did, they could become the protegé of seasoned RPer, and RP against each other through PM. Then, the veteran could tell the new guy what needs to be added, what can be taken away, and basically teach the newer talent how to write and good RP. Those are just some ideas that wouldn't disrupt the Meltdown storylines, and would still allow development of newer stars.

Like Ricky, if I made any assumptions or false accusations, I give you my sincerest apologies.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

David: You think I'm shooting down your show before it ever gets the chance to "shine." When I agreed with the show to begin with, as long as it ran like HeAT would.. in which you have more or less 3 matches. And it runs before Meltdown.

But you said earlier, that you wanted to run a "weekly" show.. and thats impossible to do, when Meltdown is "bi-weekly." Therefore, you WOULD be hurting the overall product.

Also, you said you would be fine with the mods taking over the storylines and everything.. but as one of "the mods" I'M NOT. We have our plates full as it is, with coming up with show ideas, storyline ideas, character direction, and everything.

And I'm surprised neither you or Leore having chimmed in with saying "Well, we could be on creative then." Because I'm sorry, thats also NOT a possibility. Too many people on Creative, and its too many minds with the possibility of going in different direction. As it stands, Sincade and Enforcer are both the head. I've come up with a lot of stuff since joining, so I'm sure they'd consider me just as high up as they are.. and finally, from what I've learned from Sincade (but still trying to get it confirmed from Enforcer) Ricky is also on creative now, with helping in general direction.

Thats FOUR minds.. that won't always agree on direction. I know this for a fact, because Ricky knows of some storylines that have been set in place, that he really doesn't agree on.. if we add more people to creative then what we already have, its only going to cause more chaos. (as this is beginning to do) And someone has to be creative, over your product.. otherwise it has NO direction, and NO purpose other than to be conflicting in ways to the main show.

 

[Gus]

But you said earlier, that you wanted to run a "weekly" show.. and thats impossible to do, when Meltdown is "bi-weekly." Therefore, you WOULD be hurting the overall product.

Will, what we meant by that was, that we had the possibilities of running a weekly show, we werent actually insinuating that we were going to run a weekly show, we will do whatever the mods tell us, but, Sincade is the main guy in this particular situation

Also, you said you would be fine with the mods taking over the storylines and everything.. but as one of "the mods" I'M NOT. We have our plates full as it is, with coming up with show ideas, storyline ideas, character direction, and everything.

Ok, I can completely understand that...

And I'm surprised neither you or Leore having chimmed in with saying "Well, we could be on creative then." Because I'm sorry, thats also NOT a possibility. Too many people on Creative, and its too many minds with the possibility of going in different direction. As it stands, Sincade and Enforcer are both the head. I've come up with a lot of stuff since joining, so I'm sure they'd consider me just as high up as they are.. and finally, from what I've learned from Sincade (but still trying to get it confirmed from Enforcer) Ricky is also on creative now, with helping in general direction.

Then whatever, if you guys dont like somthing in our show, tell us, we'll change it...

Thats FOUR minds.. that won't always agree on direction. I know this for a fact, because Ricky knows of some storylines that have been set in place, that he really doesn't agree on.. if we add more people to creative then what we already have, its only going to cause more chaos. (as this is beginning to do) And someone has to be creative, over your product.. otherwise it has NO direction, and NO purpose other than to be conflicting in ways to the main show.

DJ has a real directional-ish mind, and he has shot down some ideas of mine, to not dilute the product, DJ doesnt want to hurt Meltdown, we dont want to branch out on our own, we just want to do whatever we can to help out WZCW, which we think ACID would do, to help the guys who need RP practice and competition, just like my last post, i was there, i know how it feels...

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

David: You think I'm shooting down your show before it ever gets the chance to "shine." When I agreed with the show to begin with, as long as it ran like HeAT would.. in which you have more or less 3 matches. And it runs before Meltdown.

But you said earlier, that you wanted to run a "weekly" show.. and thats impossible to do, when Meltdown is "bi-weekly." Therefore, you WOULD be hurting the overall product.

Also, you said you would be fine with the mods taking over the storylines and everything.. but as one of "the mods" I'M NOT. We have our plates full as it is, with coming up with show ideas, storyline ideas, character direction, and everything.

And I'm surprised neither you or Leore having chimmed in with saying "Well, we could be on creative then." Because I'm sorry, thats also NOT a possibility. Too many people on Creative, and its too many minds with the possibility of going in different direction. As it stands, Sincade and Enforcer are both the head. I've come up with a lot of stuff since joining, so I'm sure they'd consider me just as high up as they are.. and finally, from what I've learned from Sincade (but still trying to get it confirmed from Enforcer) Ricky is also on creative now, with helping in general direction.

Thats FOUR minds.. that won't always agree on direction. I know this for a fact, because Ricky knows of some storylines that have been set in place, that he really doesn't agree on.. if we add more people to creative then what we already have, its only going to cause more chaos. (as this is beginning to do) And someone has to be creative, over your product.. otherwise it has NO direction, and NO purpose other than to be conflicting in ways to the main show.

Ok first of all i will say this, this is not about power will or being part of creative, i just want to run a good show also you misread my earlier statement, i was saying that we could run the show on the week that meltdown is not on say one week meltdown the other acid so acid would be bi - weekly as well so it does not and i mean does not conflict with meltdowns schedule or storylines.

IMO it seems to me that you would not be comfortable with anything that i state here, You say that it will increase my workload but i am coping fine, you state that our ideas for storylines conflict with yours but when i suggested that creative help with the suggestions to appease everyone you then shot that idea down, the thing is myself gus and lee dont conflict on anything we bring our final decisions to sincade and if he says no we got a storyline for this guy then we drop it, i have no problem with that at all, im not gonna continue to defend myself when you make me out to be just hungry for a cretive spot, im on staff i dont care about being on creative, I just want acid to be a sucess to show that WZCW has something that can help mid card to lower card talent and enable the e fed to become stronger thats all, and like gus stated i always believe in the direction of the product i dont sit there and think well i can produce a show, if i thought that i would go do a wwe book this im doing this coz i liked the idea and approached sincade with it im proud that i have a great team who are as supported of acid as i am , i cant keep defending something when all i hear is insinuations of your taking over and that is not what myself gus or lee are doingat all

 

[The Enforcer]

Ok it looks like I will have to restate my last comment.

As far as "ACID" at the moment I am going to say no. I understand that Sincade may have said draw up a pilot and we will see what happens but 2 out of the "official" mods have said its a bad idea.

On improving what we have: I clearly stated that I dont mind moving the show to weekly if all of the writers can get matches in on time which is why I said show me some innotiative and not 1 person said "Enforcer can I have a match to write for the show?" That is how you will convince me to make the weekly which is pretty much the root of this convo. Also if we go weekly that will allow more people to shine on the show beause there will be more time to spread along.

I have no problem with giving Coco, DJ, Gus etc more matches if that will make you happy and get a weekly show, just dont screw me is all i ask.

I hope that this cleared the air on some things.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Ok it looks like I will have to restate my last comment.

As far as "ACID" at the moment I am going to say no. I understand that Sincade may have said draw up a pilot and we will see what happens but 2 out of the "official" mods have said its a bad idea.

On improving what we have: I clearly stated that I dont mind moving the show to weekly if all of the writers can get matches in on time which is why I said show me some innotiative and not 1 person said "Enforcer can I have a match to write for the show?" That is how you will convince me to make the weekly which is pretty much the root of this convo. Also if we go weekly that will allow more people to shine on the show beause there will be more time to spread along.

I have no problem with giving Coco, DJ, Gus etc more matches if that will make you happy and get a weekly show, just dont screw me is all i ask.

I hope that this cleared the air on some things.

No offence enforcer, I work as hard as anyone here in WZCW but when sincade ok'd the show me, gus and lee worked hard on drawing everything up, the show is nearly done, so now i will have to completely scrap the show because you and will feel its a bad idea, Ive been called alot via this very thread including power hungry but all i did was made the suggestion to sincade and he said draw up the pilot, i dont understand what the big deal was about this?
All i wanted to do is do what i do best show initiative towards the e fed, but to me it seems that i dont get a word in edgways because some see it as me wanting a mod spot so fine, ill submit the show to sincade and you guys can crap all over it if you like i dont care no more

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Ok first of all i will say this, this is not about power will or being part of creative, i just want to run a good show also you misread my earlier statement, i was saying that we could run the show on the week that meltdown is not on say one week meltdown the other acid so acid would be bi - weekly as well so it does not and i mean does not conflict with meltdowns schedule or storylines.

IMO it seems to me that you would not be comfortable with anything that i state here, You say that it will increase my workload but i am coping fine, you state that our ideas for storylines conflict with yours but when i suggested that creative help with the suggestions to appease everyone you then shot that idea down, the thing is myself gus and lee dont conflict on anything we bring our final decisions to sincade and if he says no we got a storyline for this guy then we drop it, i have no problem with that at all, im not gonna continue to defend myself when you make me out to be just hungry for a cretive spot, im on staff i dont care about being on creative, I just want acid to be a sucess to show that WZCW has something that can help mid card to lower card talent and enable the e fed to become stronger thats all, and like gus stated i always believe in the direction of the product i dont sit there and think well i can produce a show, if i thought that i would go do a wwe book this im doing this coz i liked the idea and approached sincade with it im proud that i have a great team who are as supported of acid as i am , i cant keep defending something when all i hear is insinuations of your taking over and that is not what myself gus or lee are doingat all

Don't you even see what this is doing though? Its causing conflict in people. You have an idea for another show. Leore and Gus are behind you, therefore, you have a group. If "I" disagree and say that this show is a bad idea, all three of you jump in on saying "no its not."

Therefore, its a conflict of interest on two parts. If "I" don't agree to give you this show, then you think I'm against anything you do. However, if "I" do agree that you should have this show, and you start running it fine, but something comes up later on.. we're gonna be brought right back to the situation of you agree on one thing, I agree on another.

If you want to help W.Z.C.W., then help with what we have, to make it better first. Don't add to it, and ignore what needs fixed, by thinking you can stick something "newer" up in its place.

Finally, for the last time.. I AGREED that the show should be like HeAT, yet you apparently are so bent on assuming I'll never agree with you. And I don't understand why. If the show is to run after Meltdown, (meaning bi weekly, every other week) then I'm fine with it. As long as we're understood on everything with it.

If you, Leore and Gus go off on your own and completely start running a completely different sub-show.. or you get upset (which will happen sooner or later) that we don't want you running this person in this storyline, because it'd conflict with us.. you're gonna blow a fuse (so to speak) in saying we don't give you more "control" over how to run the show you three thought of.

David, I don't mean to make it seem like you are power hungry, or even want on creative. So I apologize openly for that.. but what I am making it a point to explain, is the very thing thats happening.

You and your "group" are upset that its even a remote thought that your show won't happen. And because I'm in the position "I" am.. I'm getting the heat off that. (Don't tell me I'm not, because I'm about to post a bitch fest that Leore just did to me on MSN, AFTER I distinctly asked not to have happen.)

So, last time.. Sincade can approve, or deny the show. I'm fine with whatever he decides, and we'll run with it if need be. And again, I both like, and dislike the idea of another show. However, if this show doesn't get approved..

I'm going on record right now with saying that if "I" so much as hear one word, from any of you about how "I" was involved in why it wasn't approved.. you'll all be suspended from W.Z.C.W. for starting problems, and trying to point fingers. I WILL NOT have this shit in this e-fed. Now, DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?

 

[TheOneBigWill]

After I distinctly asked for noone to message me and bitch, or complain about this subject either here on Wrestlezone, or on MSN.. no less than 10 minutes later, this is the shit I get.

Leore RIven says:
okay seriously Will...calm the fuck down
Leore RIven says:
u r really bugging me out
Leore RIven says:
so stop
Leore RIven says:
just stop posting in the discussion thread about this show
Leore RIven says:
u r in creative like enf and sinc and riot
Leore RIven says:
it's not in ur hands, it is in Sincade's hands.
Leore RIven says:
He told DJ to write a pilot and send it to him
Leore RIven says:
fucken talk about it among urselves instead of in the discussion thread, hypocrit
Leore RIven says:
u told me not to do that and yet u do it
Leore RIven says:
just fucken stop bickering with David, bc u LOVE doing that
Leore RIven says:
I am ignoring the situation, but fucken stop already
Leore RIven says:
And I'm surprised neither you or Leore having chimmed in with saying "Well, we could be on creative then." Because I'm sorry, thats also NOT a possibility
Leore RIven says:
wtf
Leore RIven says:
why r u bringing ME into this
Leore RIven says:
I stopped posting about this like 5 posts ago
Leore RIven says:
u and DJ are rambling about this
Leore RIven says:
not me
Leore RIven says:
so dont bring me into this
Leore RIven says:
and ur ignoring me why?
Leore RIven says:
u talk SO much on the discussion board in front of EVERYONE which is what I promised not to do but u do it, but u dont answer me on this

Leore, if you message me on MSN about this again.. you're suspended from W.Z.C.W. -- NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS! I've been approached by SEVERAL people who already feel you're a bad influence in the e-fed, and all of them question why you're still in it.

I've defended you as a friend in that matter too long, for you to do this to me. If you bitch to me again, about this situation, or any other.. I'll put my foot down. And if you bring it up on the forum, and you complain and bitch, as I've told you before.. if I have to, I'll find a way for you to be banned.

Leore, personally you are a good friend.. but you act completely immature about selective things, and your attitude needs to go. It has no place in any of these matters. I do not want, nor do I wish, to see it again. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?

 

[Reaper]

Guys I think this what you are not getting. Sincade, Enforcer, and Will are a team. On a team you take votes. This team has 3 voters. If 2 of the 3 voters say nay...then guess what? You're SOL. It suscks but guess what?? That's life fellas. You win some, you lose some, and I am tired of hearing this go back and forth. The majority of creative say no...so you can send it to Sincade a billion times if you want but it's not gonna make a damn bit of difference.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Don't you even see what this is doing though? Its causing conflict in people. You have an idea for another show. Leore and Gus are behind you, therefore, you have a group. If "I" disagree and say that this show is a bad idea, all three of you jump in on saying "no its not."

Therefore, its a conflict of interest on two parts. If "I" don't agree to give you this show, then you think I'm against anything you do. However, if "I" do agree that you should have this show, and you start running it fine, but something comes up later on.. we're gonna be brought right back to the situation of you agree on one thing, I agree on another.

If you want to help W.Z.C.W., then help with what we have, to make it better first. Don't add to it, and ignore what needs fixed, by thinking you can stick something "newer" up in its place.

Finally, for the last time.. I AGREED that the show should be like HeAT, yet you apparently are so bent on assuming I'll never agree with you. And I don't understand why. If the show is to run after Meltdown, (meaning bi weekly, every other week) then I'm fine with it. As long as we're understood on everything with it.

If you, Leore and Gus go off on your own and completely start running a completely different sub-show.. or you get upset (which will happen sooner or later) that we don't want you running this person in this storyline, because it'd conflict with us.. you're gonna blow a fuse (so to speak) in saying we don't give you more "control" over how to run the show you three thought of.

David, I don't mean to make it seem like you are power hungry, or even want on creative. So I apologize openly for that.. but what I am making it a point to explain, is the very thing thats happening.

You and your "group" are upset that its even a remote thought that your show won't happen. And because I'm in the position "I" am.. I'm getting the heat off that. (Don't tell me I'm not, because I'm about to post a bitch fest that Leore just did to me on MSN, AFTER I distinctly asked not to have happen.)

So, last time.. Sincade can approve, or deny the show. I'm fine with whatever he decides, and we'll run with it if need be. And again, I both like, and dislike the idea of another show. However, if this show doesn't get approved..

I'm going on record right now with saying that if "I" so much as hear one word, from any of you about how "I" was involved in why it wasn't approved.. you'll all be suspended from W.Z.C.W. for starting problems, and trying to point fingers. I WILL NOT have this shit in this e-fed. Now, DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?

Excuse me will, i value your opinion thats why i go to you about any ideas i may have, secondly i do not and i mean do not have myself held accountable for anything that lee does, its his choice to talk to you, i blue a fuse due to the fact that i had the finger openly pointed in my direction about wanting to be on creative, the whole trouble about acid started when this was placed on the discussion thread i should of done what sincade said and kept this between the four of us me, lee, gus and sincade, he would of then helped us by presenting the show to yourself,izzy, and enforcer, I will still be posting the pilot to sincade and have the finished draft done becuase the three of us worked hard on this, however myself,gus and lee are not a clique we are not trying to run a seperate show it was an idea, something that should of been encouraged and if you want to suspend me for bringing a new idea and fresh approach to the fed go ahead, i dont give a damn anymore i never told lee to openly have ago at you on msn, hes actions are his own, not mine, not gus's

OH one more thing and for the record, whenever i do something weather a tron, a sig, an rp, or writer anything creative i work hard at it, i dont do it or blow a fuse or make insinuations if it doesnt work out i just accept it and move on, if by anyway acid gets refused then let it be because it wasnt t read and just thrown away due to the fact that you guys didnt think it would work out, please read it and then make any judgements, thats all myself gus and lee would of asked from you., now thats me done you want me suspended then go for it

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Guys I think this what you are not getting. Sincade, Enforcer, and Will are a team. On a team you take votes. This team has 3 voters. If 2 of the 3 voters say nay...then guess what? You're SOL. It suscks but guess what?? That's life fellas. You win some, you lose some, and I am tired of hearing this go back and forth. The majority of creative say no...so you can send it to Sincade a billion times if you want but it's not gonna make a damn bit of difference.

The overall idea was said no by myself and Enforcer, but it hasn't been "shot down" because we haven't discussed the pros and cons of it completely. Sincade told them to send him a pilot. Until Sincade gets back to Enforcer and myself about this pilot.. we don't know whats going on.

Outside of that, I don't think Enforcer said no exactly. I think he was just agreeing that it'd be stressful, and cause problems. Those are negatives, yes, but again.. I don't think he completely said no one way or another.