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Agree and disagree. Constant title changes in and of themselves don't cheapen the belts. That's a smark fallacy in my book. Throwing belts on guys who don't deserve them to get them over rather than putting the belts on the right guys cheapens them. As for frequent title changes and short reigns, there's a time for those and there's a time for lengthy title reigns. Subscribing to one or the other alone strikes me as wrong because you need each to balance out the other and make it seem special and different. You're a good champion because we can compare you to, say, Vengeance. Reynolds was a good champion because we can compare him to Winters. And so on. And on the flip side, quick and unexpected title changes are exciting only when you have the backdrop of long term, stable reigns to compare these events to. I myself reckon that there's no harm in regular title matches because if you're good, you're good and that shines through in a long title reign. The cream rises to the top. And you don't want to limit opportunities for cream to rise in the always changing undercard landscape, do you?

That's a fair enough point. Thing is again, we don't book the storylines to a desired result, we book the storylines based on the results. Vengeance could have easily been a long reigning champion just as I could have lost the World Title in my first defense. Now could we open up more title defenses on MD and AS? Absolutely, we just had the KFAD briefcase on the line as well as the Elite X championship up for grabs. We have those defenses on regular shows, as far as the Mayhem Title goes, I understand it gives a chaotic feeling to the title, but at the same time we've also had so many multi man matches for it, that really it had become the clusterfuck title. It also doesn't help when we have such a limited tag division (now down to one single team) that is just begging for people to step up and get immediate title shots. That's why we set up the battle royale, just so we can pair up some teams and rebuild the division. That's an avenue that needs to be explored by the roster, not only that but look at some of the success that came from the tag division. Toyota is considered someone that could contend for a singles title very quickly, Hammond just won a shot at the Eurasian Title, Big Dave was at one point the most dominant wrestler in WZCW, former Eurasian Champ, and KFAD winner. Phoenix was in the running for a title multiple times.

I went on a bit of a tangent there but that second part sort of replies to your second paragraph. I would have expanded further last night but using my smartphone to type out what I did took forever.

But that's just individual booking philosophy. Specific to this fed, what really strikes me was Phatso's comment earlier that regular title matches would somehow fatigue him. Like everyone else doesn't RP to the best of their ability every round or something. I just don't buy it. And in a place on the card that's muddled with newcomers who need an opportunity to break from the pack, one title defense per two month PPV cycle doesn't seem to accurately reflect the competitive and chaotic nature of the division. If the title isn't on the line regularly, we see what we see now: A directionless under-card that lacks a sense of urgency.

Not being argumentative. I just feel since everyone else seems intent on discussing this, it's a conversation with a lot of angles worth having. Nothing against Phatso either.

I can agree that a match being a title defense isn't that much different then a regular match in regards to spending time on an RP. I won't argue with that looking back on how I've wrote my RP's. Thing is, we are always watching everyone and how they're progressing. In the past we've had the likes of Corey Payne come out of nowhere and elevate himself to the upper midcard by winning the KFAD. We give the opportunities to those that earn them, and often times rookies need to develop their writing style and their characters. We gave them all an opportunity at the Eurasian title, and while the draw was random, we got a good feel for how they were progressing. We're not letting them twist in the wind, rather we're giving them an opportunity to develop properly. None of us were World Title material from the get go, not you, not me, no one. It takes time to develop that character, look at Kravinoff when you first started compared to his character now. My character wasn't known to play mind games, merely using intimidation on his opponents and was not so eloquent speech wise. If a rookie wants an opportunity, he has to impress us and earn that opportunity. That's not to say we withhold those chances. This is why we set up the battle royale for a tag title shot, that's why we had the Mayhem Eliminator where multiple men had an opportunity for a Mayhem Title shot. I'd say we've done a fair job giving them opportunities. The more important aspect however is that they develop first. Gordito is another one where he came out of nowhere and earned a World Title Shot. He completely skipped over the Euarsian and Elite X and went for the World Title. He wouldn't have had that opportunity if we didn't include him in the Gold Rush Tournament. Barbosa earned an opportunity as well but we could have easily left him out and put in a veteran such as Everest. In short, what I'm saying is we all needed that time to develop our characters and style of writing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Again I'm not saying that we'll withhold opportunities from said rookies, in fact we try to give them an opportunity to break out.

All I'm saying is just let us do our job on Creative. We've been doing well on our own and I feel that some of this feels like an attack on our booking that we spend countless hours working on and discussing. But I digress, that's the part of being the booking team that's never easy. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
I'll say this, a long title reign with the right person and the right story, can be very exciting. A short one can achieve the same thing with a different person. Ty's title reign for example has been good because he's face a variety of challengers, never defending it in the same match (for example, he face Gordito twice, but one was a three way).
 
Absolutely not an attack. Just discussing something that other people had brought up. And now I'll stop. Because if there's one thing I know, it's that the Mayhem Division isn't the hill I want to die on.
 
Absolutely not an attack. Just discussing something that other people had brought up. And now I'll stop. Because if there's one thing I know, it's that the Mayhem Division isn't the hill I want to die on.

Not a problem dude, I just got irked a little bit by this comment:

If the title isn't on the line regularly, we see what we see now: A directionless under-card that lacks a sense of urgency.

That just made me feel like you haven't given us a chance to work the newer guys into the mix is all. Give it just a bit of time, we got a new batch in and some of those guys before that have had opportunities to gain a Mayhem title shot, now we're giving them the tag team opportunity. Just gotta let us do our job and everyone will get those opportunities.
 
Give it time, you see more people posting RP's towards Monday and Tuesday, possibly this weekend when people have more time to do so.

I hope so, 3-5 more people would be nice to see in the match. worst case scenario I get to improve my writing by losing and competing in another Contract battle Royal.
 
That just made me feel like you haven't given us a chance to work the newer guys into the mix is all. Give it just a bit of time, we got a new batch in and some of those guys before that have had opportunities to gain a Mayhem title shot, now we're giving them the tag team opportunity. Just gotta let us do our job and everyone will get those opportunities.
No disagreement here. In the sobering light of day, that didn't look good on my part. Reckon I got a little excited about nothing. And really, I shouldn't be comparing the booking of the guys who just got here to that of everyone else. That's unfair and unrealistic.

I guess what I'm saying is that I also like cake. Anyone else?
 
No disagreement here. In the sobering light of day, that didn't look good on my part. Reckon I got a little excited about nothing. And really, I shouldn't be comparing the booking of the guys who just got here to that of everyone else. That's unfair and unrealistic.

I guess what I'm saying is that I also like cake. Anyone else?

I do enjoy a piece of ice cream cake every so often.
 
No disagreement here. In the sobering light of day, that didn't look good on my part. Reckon I got a little excited about nothing. And really, I shouldn't be comparing the booking of the guys who just got here to that of everyone else. That's unfair and unrealistic.

I guess what I'm saying is that I also like cake. Anyone else?

As long as it is not chocolate I will have a slice.
 
Speaking of Mayhem, I have a theoretical question for a member of creative, should I have beaten Baez at Unscripted and won the belt, what were you planning on doing with it?
 
Speaking of Mayhem, I have a theoretical question for a member of creative, should I have beaten Baez at Unscripted and won the belt, what were you planning on doing with it?

Something along the lines of Holmes holding the title hostage, threatening to destroy it and replace it etc.

I'm going off the top of my head trying to recall how it was going to go.
 
Speaking of Mayhem, I have a theoretical question for a member of creative, should I have beaten Baez at Unscripted and won the belt, what were you planning on doing with it?

Ty's pretty well on the mark here. We were thinking about running a storyline where you remove the Mayhem rules of the belt, making it like a third tier title, a Tv Title if you will. I believe we would've had planned for AON a 6-mam elimination Mayhem match between the CM and Baez, Gordito, and Jones. Something along those lines
 
I'm not on creative, but I'm assuming you'll probably need a contract first. Don't worry though, as long as you're somewhat competent in your RPs you should get accepted by your 3rd try.
 
Focus on getting a contract first. But if you decide to find a partner to form a team in the meantime, let us know. This battle royal thing is only one way of getting a title shot.
 
Hey guys, I just posted my RP for my first match. It's kind of long, but if you have the time to give me some feedback I'd be happy to return the favor.
 

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