WWE TLC: WHC Champion John Cena VS WWE Champion Randy Orton - TLC Match

[MCMG]

The last segment on Raw was fantastic and has thrown me of once more. I now don't think there will be a bullshit finish but I'm not sure who is going to win. There are four endings that come to mind: Orton wins, Orton wins thanks to The Authority, Cena wins; Cena wins thanks to the authority.

Although the ending leaned towards it, I simply cannot see Cena siding with The Authority - it won't happen. Cena winning clean is the predictable option and I wouldn't be shocked; however, I think Orton takes this. The way they made it look like he was an absolute failure surely means that he wins.

It would be great if Orton won clean proving himself to The Authority but I reckon someone interferes and Orton picks up the victory. I'm not sure who but it could be HHH, Steph, Kane, hell, even Vince. I picking Orton to win in what will be a 5 star match.

 

[AustralianBroski]

Maybe Orton will be climbing the ladder looking to get the win and Triple H comes and gives him a pedigree, and Cena walks out of the match not wanting to win with the help of someone else

 

[Mustang Sally]

A couple of weeks ago, I was predicting there would be no unifying of the titles, mostly because there was no build-up toward it. Now, that's all changed, culminating in that terrific ending segment on Raw this past Monday. Suddenly, there's a big clamor for having one champion, and I honestly can't figure which guy will win both belts.....and where the company is going with this angle as a result of it.

Even if WWE is moving toward an era with only one world champion, I can't believe that concept will last.... pro wrestling has always gone with the same practice as pro boxing: the more titles, the better.

As to this fight, I can see either guy winning, depending on the direction the company wants to take. At first glance, you would think Orton will win out with an Authority-guided win. But then, the Levesques' seem to be down on Randy and might set the Shield on him, causing Cena to win......or not.

The big difference between today and two weeks ago is that I now believe one man will win both titles.....whether it's a clean win, or whether some management-laden controversy casts a shadow on the result remains to be seen.

If I were forced to guess, I'd say Randy Orton wins the Unified Title, because the company has a lengthy program in mind for the Authority and their top guy: Orton. They're going to torture him repeatedly between now and WM30.

 

[TJ-BITW]

Last Smackdown Daniel Bryan said to Randy Orton that he has not forgotten & would be behind the WWE title whoever wins at TLC. That comment made me think its going to be Randy Orton, if there is going to be any one winner.

Now that last segment has made this very interesting. Probably a lot more people (including me) would be in confused state as who would get screwed by Authority if there is going to be a winner at TLC. I reckon WWE will tease us more with Cena turning heel and this rivalry will continue to Royal Rumble. I predict the titles will just switch between either men or Triple H & his Authority figures may just interfere in this match and it may end in no-result.

Just throwing an idea of my mind where Bryan and Punk interfering this match and end in no-result with PPV ends as Daniel Bryan & CM Punk standing with both belts in their hands making a mess of Triple H's much talked plan of unification of belts at TLC. Reason for Bryan doing this is self-explanatory & as for CM Punk if you guys noticed Punk's expressions last RAW when Stephanie McMahon was praising Triple H.

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

I gotta believe Orton is going to win the unified title either at TLC, or at some point after if they don't have a straight finish at TLC. We are only a few months away from Mania and the usual convention is to have a face go over a heel for the title. It only seems right that Orton gets the strap and is given a few months to build as a legit heel champ for whomever the face is (Cena, Bryan or Punk) that will win the strap at Mania 30.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Maybe Orton will be climbing the ladder looking to get the win and Triple H comes and gives him a pedigree, and Cena walks out of the match not wanting to win with the help of someone else

Great idea. Then maybe HHH says "so what? Nobody wants to be the face? Who wants to be the face" CM Punks music hits and he reluctantly sells his soul for his hunger to be at the top.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

Joey Styles posted this on WWE.com

Joey Styles: Most people I have spoken to think it’s a foregone conclusion that John Cena will walk away from WWE TLC with both official titles and the unofficial title, “Face of WWE.” I, on the other hand, think there is no way that The Authority lets that happen. Any tension between Orton and The Authority is a ruse, I believe, with the purpose of making fools out of Cena and us, the WWE Universe. John Cena is a 14-time World Champion, second only to Triple H’s hero and mentor, Ric Flair. There is no way that WWE’s COO is going to let anyone ever tie Flair’s epic record. Furthermore, after helping Orton win at WWE TLC, expect Triple H to even turn against him, too, if he approaches Flair’s legacy. For any of you reading this and thinking that I am a conspiracy nut, do you really think it is coincidence that The Authority made the stipulations of this historic matchup Tables, Ladders & Chairs — a match that has no disqualifications? WINNER: Randy Orton

He seems to have let the cat out of the bag. One would think that they wouldn't give away the ending to TLC on WWE.com, but they have a bunch of the writers predicting different outcomes with different winners for all of the matches. Someone is getting it right and I think that's Joey right up here.

(Also, just for the record, Cena is NOT 2nd to Ric Flair. Ric Flair and Verne Gagne are tied at 16 a piece (although it can be disputed that Ric has more). Between them and Cena, both Sting and El Canek sit comfortably at 15. But none of the 5 guys mentioned comes close to Jerry Lawler who has a whopping 33 World Championships.)

 

[Trail_Blazin]

Did anyone see this image? Apparently it's the cover of the new Scooby Doo WrestleMania DVD...

The champion is none other than... HHH.

Probably doesn't mean much. Heck, perhaps WWE is actually having a little fun at the internet's expense.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Here we are. After over a decade of having two world titles in the federation, this weekend that supposedly comes to an end. Why do I use the word "supposedly"? This is the WWE we are talking about. Why in the world would they waste this match which they have billed as one of the most important wrestling matches in history on a PPV that is NOT named Wrestlemania, let alone the 30th edition of said brand? I'll tell you why. The unification is NOT happening. We will end up seeing some type of complicated finish here to where neither John Cena nor Randy Orton is able to unify the titles.

Some have suggested that they swap the titles by each grabbing one and ending up with the other's title. John Cena becomes WWE Champion and Randy Orton becomes World Heavyweight Champion. Too strange and too difficult to book. We also can disregard the theory of a DQ finish with this being a TLC match. Where does that leave us then? NOBODY wins. Cena and Orton will be going to war in this match. Tables, Ladders, and Chairs are all legal weapons in the match. The two champions will take each other beyond their limit and will reach a point where they cannot respond to the ref's count. Triple H then orders that the the match end as it would be "best for business" if the contenders are able to make it to Raw the next day. The match ends in a tie per Trips' orders and neither competitor being well enough to finish the match after such a huge spot. The feud gets extended into Wrestlemania season.

That leaves us with a ton of unanswered questions going into Raw. It also opens up possibilities such as what to do about the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber. Each PPV could crown a champion (likely Cena and Orton again, respectively) for Wrestlemania 30 where the REAL unification match takes places. Regardless of who wins, this is the match I am anticipating the most. It should go on last and I am expecting the evening to end with no new champion and a ton of questions needing answers. Raw the following monday should do quite well due to the viewers wanting to know what happens.

DAGGER'S PREDICTION
NOBODY wins. The title unification takes place at Wrestlemania 30.

 

[MMA Mark]

Orton and Cena both climb either side of the ladder and each grab a belt. HHH comes out and says they promised one champion. They look to start fighting again, but HHH tells them to hold on and stand outside the ring on either side. He takes the belts, climbs the ladder and puts both belts back up. Then from the top of the ladder he tells the referee he is restarting the match--as a triple threat match. The bells rings and before Orton and Cena can get in the ring HHH simply takes the belts down. While HHH is celebrating on the ladder Orton and Cena are standing on either side. HHH has no place to go and Cena and Orton look at each other and agree to tip the ladder, sending HHH outside the ring through some tables set up on the floor. Orton hits Cena with an RKO and ends the PPV as the last man standing.

 

[The massive hulk]

Cena will win because he can then let Randy Orton fued with the authority and lead to HHH vs Orton at Royal Rumble.

 

[HBsam31]

I wish they would have done this match with Daniel Bryan involved. I think he should have been the one to unify the belts. I wouldn't be surprised if HHH inserted himself in this match somehow and walked out with both belts. If it is just a straight up match with no swerves then I see Cena taking all the gold.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Anyone else think Cena got hurt on the finish? He landed bad on the fall then Orton stalled forever and kept looking down at him. The finish really fell flat because of it to me. The rest of the card was pretty good but the main event finish was pretty underwhelming.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I felt Orton had this one in a bag and he did. I was a little surprised he didn't really cheat but overall the win was to be expected. After this though I can see WM30 will go 1 of 2 ways:

1) Cena beats Orton for the title
2) Bryan beats Orton for the title

Frankly neither one would surprise me. I guess its possible Punk wins the title too but I think the road points to Bryan or Cena. Bryan never got his revenge and its possible they are saving it for WM30 and with Cena losing his last few big matches clean i could see him doing a story trying to prove himself again and who better to do that than The Undertaker. Right now that's what I'm going with. Cena vs. Taker and Orton vs. Bryan.

 

[YesTheBeardIsHere]

This PPV was not worth the money IMO. I think I fell asleep during certain matches. Punk/Bryan/Cena match were matches of the night.

I am not a fan of the ending of the main event. Anyone else think when the authority walked out HHH was going to raise his hand and all of a sudden...boom! Pedigree. Takes the belts and he's the unified champion?

I guess I just don't see where WWE is going with their storylines in 2014. I agree with a poster previously I think Taker vs Cena has a story line for the making, but a part of me thinks they have booked Lesnar to go after Taker @ WM30.

Question for everyone. Who wins the Royal Rumble? Do we see Bryan/Cena/Punk win. Clearly it is going to be one of those guys. Or does HHH enter himself in and win?

Confused where all this is going?

 

[A11oftheLights]

I'm not saying it definitely was a botched ending but just the way Orton stayed on top of the ladder for ages(like Swagger going the MITB case but without the crappy struggle). The match itself wasn't great and the ending kind of seemed like a real anti-climax.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I agree with a poster previously I think Taker vs Cena has a story line for the making, but a part of me thinks they have booked Lesnar to go after Taker @ WM30.


Confused where all this is going?

I do think Cena could be on a collision course with The Undertaker. I'm sure Cena will get a rematch at the RR and Orton probably wins but not cleanly. The Rumble winner (sure seems like it will be DB or Punk) will challenge Orton and then Cena will say that he's won the world title multiple times and he's won the WWE title multiple times but there's only one thing left for him to do: End the Undertaker's legendary Streak.

I was thinking about this after Orton won last night. What are they going to do with the Elimination Chamber? Normally, there's two chambers, one for each belt or one for one belt and one for the #1 contender spot. So, since there's only "one" belt now, the Rumble winner will be the #1 contender. The unified title can be defended in one chamber and as for the other chamber: Winner gets a shot at the streak.

 

[Trail_Blazin]

I was thinking about this after Orton won last night. What are they going to do with the Elimination Chamber? Normally, there's two chambers, one for each belt or one for one belt and one for the #1 contender spot. So, since there's only "one" belt now, the Rumble winner will be the #1 contender. The unified title can be defended in one chamber and as for the other chamber: Winner gets a shot at the streak.

I'm not a fan of the "shot at the streak" stipulation. There's never been a reason to need to find a challenger for that opportunity, because Taker or someone else usually just claims the opportunity. I think Cena/Taker is your best bet, and Cena will probably say that's the opportunity he wants. But I do think something will be on the line at Elimination Chamber.

I think Bryan wins the RR. Then, the Authority tries to screw him again by putting his Mania title shot on the line at the Chamber, in the Chamber.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I do think Cena could be on a collision course with The Undertaker.

Could be. In fact, many possibilities are opened with Orton's victory. Randy's back-and-forth relationship with the Authority continues and who knows where things will stand with that uneasy alliance by WM30?

Meanwhile, for all the hate John Cena gets and all the people who presume he has the power to force WWE to do everything he wants ("Cena never loses!"), here he is once again, being cleanly defeated by someone you'd think he would want his character to bash. As well, he held a world title for such a short time, which seems unusual for Cena. Now, he can face the Undertaker, or continue to fight against Randy (if WWE continues to have a unified title, you figure Cena will eventually win it, right?) or move in another direction entirely, perhaps developing his own problems with the Authority.

I always enjoy Cena as champion, but one good thing about chasing titles instead of possessing them is that he has the freedom and character flexibility to move in any direction Creative can think of for him.

 

[DietPepsiRocks]

that's the problem, Creative ONLY thinks about Cena..thats why his builds are always the best. Everyone else gets forgotten.

 

[The Eighties]

The interesting thing about the finish is that it didn't leave a direct opening for any of the faces to go after Orton tonight, it took away the ammo faces usually have to use against a chosen champion of a heel faction.

Cena can't demand a rematch on the basis of being screwed as he wasn't, sure Orton used dirty tactics but it was a match with no rules bar grab the belts, and he didn't get any help, he simply did what he had to do one on one to get the job done.

For the reasons as above Punk can't come out with some anti authority rant on Orton being Champion either, even though I do get the feeling he'll be the guy to face Orton at the Rumble.

Bryan is the only top face that can come out and say Orton may have won that match fairly but he never beat him fairly, however I can't see another Orton vs Bryan match being done right now.

 

[DietPepsiRocks]

what was the purpose of the ending of Raw last Monday? Punk punches out HHH, HBK superkicks Punk, Bryan knees HBK...what was the purpose of all of that if none of them had any interaction last night? HHH didn't attack Punk last night, HBK wasn't even in the building last night either....what's up? was it all random once again? what was the point of Punk punching out HHH if he's going to feud with Orton instead? And since Orton beat Cena cleanly last night and so did Bryan at Summerslam....and Orton can't ever beat Bryan without help, does this make Bryan better than both of them?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

what was the purpose of the ending of Raw last Monday? Punk punches out HHH, HBK superkicks Punk, Bryan knees HBK...what was the purpose of all of that if none of them had any interaction last night? HHH didn't attack Punk last night, HBK wasn't even in the building last night either....what's up? was it all random once again? what was the point of Punk punching out HHH if he's going to feud with Orton instead? And since Orton beat Cena cleanly last night and so did Bryan at Summerslam....and Orton can't ever beat Bryan without help, does this make Bryan better than both of them?

Maybe to create doubt in your mind or set up something after TLC. Wrestling is continuous. WWE is notorious for planting a seed, making you think something will happen, then springing it at the least expected moment.

 

[ncb619]

Could be. In fact, many possibilities are opened with Orton's victory. Randy's back-and-forth relationship with the Authority continues and who knows where things will stand with that uneasy alliance by WM30?

Meanwhile, for all the hate John Cena gets and all the people who presume he has the power to force WWE to do everything he wants ("Cena never loses!"), here he is once again, being cleanly defeated by someone you'd think he would want his character to bash. As well, he held a world title for such a short time, which seems unusual for Cena. Now, he can face the Undertaker, or continue to fight against Randy (if WWE continues to have a unified title, you figure Cena will eventually win it, right?) or move in another direction entirely, perhaps developing his own problems with the Authority.

I always enjoy Cena as champion, but one good thing about chasing titles instead of possessing them is that he has the freedom and character flexibility to move in any direction Creative can think of for him.

This sort of reminds me of the last 'Undisputed Championship'.
The Rock had the WCW Title from... He won it on TV prior to Survivor Series, after losing it to Jericho at No Mercy. Rocky didn't have the title for very long prior to the unification at Vengeance, and he did get a match at the title at the Royal Rumble before moving on to what many had seen as bigger things. Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania.

Could be doing the similar thing with Cena in regards to the Undertaker. Don't know exactly how it could be introduced. But, I'd say expect Cena to get a PPV title match, prior to entering into a 'Mania program with Taker... that is of course, if Taker v Cena is the route they will take.